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Title: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: Bullfrog 1 on March 09, 2009, 10:03:00 PM
HOw can areas in the same county that have the same deer( A LOT) population and one area will be loaded and the other is not. Both have the same type of folliage. This is not just a one time thing either but year after year? Any thoughts? Thanks.  BILL
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: Broken Arrow 1 on March 09, 2009, 10:08:00 PM
I do not know the answer to your question however a good way to keep them of is to use flea and tick collars from your local pet store. They have no smell and will greatly reduce the number of ticks you will get on you.
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: BrianfromTulsa on March 09, 2009, 10:09:00 PM
I hunt a river bottom area here in Oklahoma and while not scientific..... I have summized that one area where I hunt frequently floods and seems to have alot less or even no ticks while similar areas nearby but a little higher in elevation are full.
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: Whip on March 09, 2009, 11:45:00 PM
I wonder if it varies from year to year somehow.  At my hunting propery ticks used to be a constant problem.  It wasn't unusual at all to find 5 -10 on me every weekend I went up there.  They were terrible!  During the past few years, they have been noticably down.  I think last year I saw maybe two ticks all year.  Yet I here from others that hunt that part of the State that they still have problems.  
Doesn't make sense to me, but I sure like it better without them!
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: NorthernCaliforniaHunter on March 10, 2009, 12:01:00 AM
Fire.
Areas that haven't burned in several decades seem to host the most.
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: ozy clint on March 10, 2009, 12:04:00 AM
last what i was thinking before i read your post juan. fire
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Post by: saumensch on March 10, 2009, 05:49:00 AM
Some research round here seems to found out that they prefer a special kind of mineral structure in the ground for their nests because of egg development or so. I dont remember the exact research, but I think it said something like that. However, if the exact same vegetation is growing both areas I doubt that the minerals in the ground  differ alot.
I´ll see if I can find that research again..
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on March 10, 2009, 06:04:00 AM
I agree with the fire theory. I know one awesome piggy-wiggy spot which is absolutely infested with them (grass ticks, a.k.a. kangaroo ticks, a.k.a. seed ticks). It hasn't been burnt for several years. It is the only spot like it that I've encountered in quite a few miles in the bush. Of course, we find the odd one elsewhere, but in this horror spot, a fellow can look down at his trousers, and recoil in abject terror as he spies literally two-hundred-plus of the little buggers. The next five days and nights are hell!
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: Douglas DuRant on March 10, 2009, 07:23:00 AM
I think many times ticks when full drop from the animal while it is bedded, and so bedding areas often seem to have more. As do areas with lots of game and small rodents. I have also found that after winter when the weather gets warmer in spring that the ticks in my area are much worst, but after a month or so they aren't a problem since they have hitched a ride on some poor animal host.

Fire can be a reason for areas with low tick numbers, and I suspect that flooding as suggested may be too.
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: Kip on March 10, 2009, 07:40:00 AM
The post about flooding and ground cover seems logical in my two areas I hunt.One is solid palmetto no briars unless logged and floods a lot no one tick in app. 20 years.The other pine and hardwood mixed area we have a few and the deer have them also but in the palmettoes the deer have no ticks.Kip
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: Deadsmple on March 10, 2009, 09:32:00 AM
Bullfrog 1,here in the northeast the white footed mouse is actually the primary food source of the deer tick (Ixodes scapularis). I would suspect that the rodent populations are different between the two areas of the county you mentioned.
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: DeathBringer on March 10, 2009, 09:43:00 AM
I don't know your answer, but I know it happens.  There are no wildfires in my area.  I have NO ticks around my house, but have been covered just a few miles away.  Same type terrain, same deer populations.
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: Jeff Strubberg on March 10, 2009, 11:17:00 AM
Could be fire.  Don't overlook predator populations, either, i.e. birds.
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: GingivitisKahn on March 10, 2009, 05:52:00 PM
Did you say... the TICK?

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff187/GingivitisKahn/TickSeason1-New.jpg)
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: KSdan on March 10, 2009, 07:41:00 PM
I notice similar things with deer themselves. . . one deer will be covered- while another deer from the same exact area will have very few.  Interesting to me. . . I suspect it has to do with their bedding/living habits.
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: Running Buck on March 11, 2009, 11:45:00 AM
They might be called deer ticks but, mice and chipmunks carrie more ticks then deer do.
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Post by: Pat B on March 11, 2009, 12:32:00 PM
What about coyotes?
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: Don Stokes on March 12, 2009, 08:20:00 AM
Generally such things relate to overall population density of the host. However, tick populations do fluctuate over time, like most wildlife. We've had some really bad years, but the last several haven't been bad at all. Whatever the cause, I'm for it!

I'm not a tick expert, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once...
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: wapiti on March 12, 2009, 10:26:00 AM
We have Rocky Mnt Labs here in the valley. That's what they do is work wih ticks and the diseases they carry. I asked one of their biologist why so many ticks in one area and not in another. He said they really don't know. We are just now understanding all the crap they carry and transfer from one critter to another. That includes us!
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: acolobowhunter on March 12, 2009, 04:05:00 PM
Even after turkey hunting and sitting my DB blind I have had them on me.  I have also seen them crawliing on the blind itself.  I like to catch them and put them on a dry leaf and hold a match under the leaf and roast them until DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!!  :campfire:
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: Shakes.602 on March 12, 2009, 04:37:00 PM
I have Heard, this goes along with the "Flea Collar" above, buy Whoop-_ss Collars  :archer:
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: Shawn Leonard on March 12, 2009, 08:54:00 PM
OK folks, I live in an area that has more reported cases of Lyme a year than most states. A lot has to do with the type of soil and the mineral make up of that soil. Sandy areas that drain well hold way more ticks than areas with clay and soil types that stay damp. I had lyme and was told just that by my doctor. Shawn
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: Mike VanBuren on March 12, 2009, 09:02:00 PM
I have lyme. Been through a nasty few years but it's subdued now since treatments. I buy Permanone by the case now.

I've read some research that said chipmunks are the main carriers on the east coast.
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: dragon rider on March 12, 2009, 09:06:00 PM
Shawn,

With all due respect to your doctor, we have heavy clay soil and the little vermin manage to survive quite well in it. Fortunately for us, it's been the dogs not us who've gotten it, but don't let down your guard if you live in a place with clay soil.
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: roper on March 12, 2009, 09:22:00 PM
I have a farm in North Tex that I got in the early
90's that was loaded with ticks the first couple of years.  Then fire-ants showed up and the ticks
for the most part left!  Along with the quail and
and a lot of other small game! My horses and dogs
use to require constant medication to control the
ticks, but not since the fire ants..I'm not sure
which is worse!  allen
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: bowmaster12 on March 13, 2009, 07:51:00 PM
soil! it is my understanding that soil type is the key i have noticed here in wisconsin areas with sandy soil will have way way more ticks than other soil types
Title: Re: Question For TICK experts????
Post by: Dartwick on March 14, 2009, 12:34:00 PM
I have seen seen tick population change over time and have no idea why.

The woods I grew up hunting and practically living in(about 4k acres) never had deer ticks, only wood ticks for 25 years. But 15 miles away my grandparents farm always had deer tick.

But in the last 10 years the woods where I grew is now full of deer ticks.

I have no idea what prompts the changes, but places have aways had a large whitetail population.