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Whats the best way for a guy like me to get out west and chase elk? It has always been a dream hunt of mine, and I figure it is time to start making some dreams come true.
Budget would be as cheap as possible, looking for a ideas reflecting a DIY type hunt. Im looking for stuff like OTC tags, public access, packing lists, advice and anything else that would be a help.
What state(s)? Set up(s)?

Basically I want those of you that hunt elk regularly to clue me in...because sometime in the next few years, Im gonna make it happen.

i'll be watching this one closely. i think the drive out there would make up about 1/3 the total cost. so i think ya should recruite some of your fellow northeasterners to share the expences.... that would save some bucks!! hint hint..nudge nudge  lol

gaff

There are a couple states OTC. Utah, CO, and ID left over tags. The best way to get out here is ask some folks. Usually you will find a few each year willing to take guys on a hunt. You have to put a lot of miles on generally to find the elk, so if oyou can hook up with someone, it will greatly increase your odds of success. And success to me is getting "into" elk, not necisarily(sp?) killing one. When you get closer to going, give me a holler, if you don't mind hunting cows and spikes. Good luck, elk huntin is a ball!!

Colorado is probably the cheapest choice for an Elk Tag, although it's still pretty spendy. I suggest going to the Colorado DOW site and getting the regs. I hunt in area 33, which is a draw only area, have never not been drawn though.
$549 for a either sex tag, if you put in for a drawing the deadline to send payment is April 7th if I remember correctly.

There are a alot of options you can do to hunt elk. Outfitters that offer drop camps will pack you into good hunting country, and will have a camp set up for you. Once they drop you off, your on your own, wlthough some will leave a radio with you for check in or to have them come pack out your elk. They are $1-2,000 depending on the outfitter. This allows you a little more in gear weight. Call around and check references.

Another option is trying to hire someone to pack you in with your own camp gear. Again, research here is key, finding a packer in the area you want to hunt instead of hunting an area just because there is someone in the area who will do it.

For a DIY hunt,here are some estimates on costs for Colorado. If you are thinking of a different state, adjust accordingly.

For me from home in Michigan, we're talking about a 1600 miles each way. I'd guess from your area 2000 miles or so. You can figure your gas, food and coffee expenses from that.

The best thing about a DIY hunt is you can hunt as long as you want, vs. a typical 5-7 day hunt if you do a drop camp, or guided hunt with an outfitter. I personally prefer a minimum of 7-8 days, 2 weeks being great. If you can do it, take the whole archery season off.

Depending on how much you like to eat, figure food, and of course any personal gear you may want to take.

For me, based on $2.00 gallon gas, $500 for gas, $500 for tags, $250 for meat locker to process an elk if I get one, and food costs which vary.

The last time I went i flew out because it was a lot cheaper than driving. I had friends pick me up and drive to the ranch.

I'll PM you a suggestion for an outfitter thathas some great options.

But total cost for a DIY hunt can be around $1500-2,000. The memories of hunting elk in the beauty of the Rocky Mountains is priceless.

1000 door to door is a start.  Did my first elk hunt with pillow cases for meat and a large fanny pack lol.  Sometimes I wonder why I by a new frame pack every year and all this extra junk.  Shoot me a pm and I can get you some info to get you going in my neck of the woods.

Colorado has the most elk and therefore more over the counter opportunities on public land than anywhere else. There are literaly hundreds of good spots to hunt that have decent access, good elk numbers, and can be hunted on a budget. Either sex tags are about $500 but cow only tags are only $250 and are OTC. Colorado DOW has game maps that tell where elk summer, migration routes, and wintering areas so with a little research you can find a great place to hunt. Also check your prospective area out on Google Earth to get a feel for the terrain. As for equipment, anything over a 50# bow with proper arrow setup will easily get the job done. Make sure you are in as good of shape as possible, elk cover a lot of ground and it is mostly steep and high. If your hunting close to a road or off your atv you probaly wont see any elk. Plan on walking in a couple of miles every day from your truck or backpack in to a more remote area for the best chance at being successful. Learn to use a cow call and stay away from bugling your head off all day long. I saw over 100 elk this year in 14 days of hunting with OTC tags on easily accessed national forest land, so what are you waiting for.

I would be interested in a cow tag!!

One question to add, does Colorado have problems with other guides pushing elk onto their property off public land? I had friends who went to Montana and their hunt got screwed up from that happening.

Working on that very same idea, Jamie...

you can hunt elk in oregon and shoot a bull or cow in most of the units although some of them are bull only...you can go to the oregon dept of fish and wildlife and request the regulations and they will send you one.over the counter license and tag around 350.00 for both. if you do end up picking oregon i can help you out with your packing list and areas that are very productive.keep in mind that the success rate in most states for archery elk is around 15% i myself have been blessed with 80% success   :readit:  ..lol.. if you want to have a good shot at bagging an elk you should do what i did when i first started shooting a bow and thats rent all of the elk hunting videos you can and get your elk calls and practice with them until you are an elk calling machine,the videos hold a wealth of information on calling techniques,when and when not to call,what signs to look for and a myriad of info.thats what i did and my first year out i felt like i had been hunting them in the rut for 10 years.just remember that every mistake is one you'll learn from. pm me if you want my help....larry    :campfire:

and as stated bugling is not the answer to getting a bull in every time.i generally use the bugle to locate then move in and cow call.but on occasion you will get the bull that wants the bugle and thats when it gets exciting.colorado is a great choice also (largest herd) and montana,wyoming and idaho are all good states also

If you do pick Idaho, you might want to go to central or southern part of the state. I live in noth Idaho and the wolves have done a number on the herd up here. And central and southern part are a bit more open and not so brushy and might help your chances IMHO.

wolf season

ishiwannabe,
It's alot cheaper than you think, last September I went to Oregon round trip air, rental car, hotel, hunting license and tag on a DIY hunt and back home for less than $1,000.00. Need anything else, pm me.

Wow guys, this is awesome stuff....keep it coming.

Gaff, Chris....stop smirking. We might need to do this...

Jamie, all ya have to do is talk to me. I have a bud that does colorado every year. The whole 2 weeks including getting there, costs around $900. This is taking two trucks and 8 or 9 guys. Ya have to call me for other details. Also to everyone else reading this thread, do not bombard me with questions, this is a closed hunt limited to a select few. Thanks! Shawn

I am keeping that in mind Shawn, but I figured I would plan MULTIPLE trips. I hear it is addicting...  :D

I did my first DIY elk hunt this past fall in CO. Definitely addicting!  I hope to be able to head to IDaho this fall if things work out with the work situation.  Much of the cost will depend on how you choose to hunt...backpacking, drop camp, shallow entry, etc and which state you go to.  Excluding pricey items like binoculars, car, etc that can be used yearly, I would estimate my hunt at around $1600-1800. This includes the OTC bull/cow tag, tent, stove, food, arrows, topos, etc.   That's with about a $500 gas bill which with todays gas prices would now be less than half that.  I did it solo, but you can save a good deal on gas and some on gear if you go with other guys.  Keep on your research.  It's a blast!  Matt

ps. If you really do have a chance at this hunt, take it.  Too many guys say "someday" and never make it happen.  Make the plans now and buy your tag.  This way you will surely make it a priority.  You won't regret it!

Anyone else?...I know the are hard core elk hunters lurking about...

Any other locals thinking about it???

Lets see, last year I left TN the 3rd of August for CO and came home the 25th of September. I stayed 4 nights at a KOA cabin on the drive to/from. I bought nearly a thousand dollars worth of hunting/fishing licenses(habitats,annual fishing,hunting,either-sex/cow elk tags. I drove over 3,000 miles inside CO once I got there. I camped the entire time in the free Nat'l Forest or BLM lands. I ate at local restaurants approximately 8 times,used a public laundromat 3 times during my trip. 3 grocery shopping trips to Walmart,1 refill on a 20 lb. propane bulk tank-20 dollar storage fee for my small "expedition" trailer so I wouldn't have to drag it around before hunting started, $10.00 dollar haircut and she let me keep my strung recurve in her barber shop until I needed it,$4.00 worth of quarters for weekly drinking water fillups- the rest was money for fuel. I came home and went through my receipts- $2,748.00 best I could tell. That was me solo-no shared expenses. Best time in the world and pretty darn cheap...... in fact,I plan on repeating it again this year except another area of CO.

One other thing you have to think about is what are you going to do with an elk when you are 1000 miles from home and it is 80 degrees outside.

John

wow roger, that sounds like an amazing trip! man, you were gone almost 2 mos!!! thats what im talkin about...

gaff

I call out there and check on the mosquito situation and if I get a green light from the Forest  area allotment rancher I head that way. Its hot,muggy in August  and nothing to bowhunt here in TN except squirrels and its too hot to want to shoot one. Load and go,no real itenerary until the archery opener. The small town merchants are friendly and helpful. Trout fishing is good and plenty of hiking trails or new places to scout so time blows by. I try to get my money's worth out of the trips-stay during the best weather conditions-then come home for Fall season here. This year I'm moving over to the middle of the state and return to my old backpacking hunting spot. Got too crowded in the SW area I've been going to the last 3 yrs. I'm looking forward to seeing some of the old local merchants I hung around at when I return to my old area this year. I used to stay 12-14 days before I retired in '04 but since the chain and ball has gone I've been making hay while the sun shines. Looking at Alaska for '10-May thru August-Amtrak to Bellingham-Ferry up to Alaska-rent a vehicle- fly home-fish and bowhunt/sightsee/goof off/anyone done it that way?

I hear ya Outwest, the cost of cooler space and other variables are a big part of trying to plan something like this.
Man, Alaska is another dream. Better focus on one at a time or my wife might shoot me.  ;)  
She is already looking at me like "How much?!"

I've done 5 trips out west. CO twice, UT and then ID twice. You can do it for $1500 or less.  Flying is the only way I'd go.  The drive from IN is a killer.  I can't imagine from NY.

If I had to start all over again, I'd find a spot in CO and buy $250 cow tags until I knew it intimately and felt good about killing a bull.  Elk hunting is so completely different from deer hunting that $6-700 tags are expensive lessons.

It would be nice to find a local that you can trade a hunt with.

Depending on the draw this year, I might do a little recon out in the desert.  There are not a lot of animals but are very easy to pattern.  I took my dad out there this November, and we killed a cow in about 2 hours of hunting.  If someone would like to accompany me for a hunt I'd be willing to show them around the elk "woods".  Several large bulls have been killed in this area in the last 10 years.  You can also hunt antelope and deer OTC.

you're welcome to come hunt with ben and i in the eagle caps ishi,i pretty much have these elk figured out although i do get a little to excited when the bugles start flying.trip in and out is 1200.00 each hunter,supplied drop camp.we split food cost so it wouldnt cost you an arm to go.i'll teach you all i can and what mistakes to watch out for.as an example i drew back on a big spike one year and failed to tuck my cow calls (2)into my shirt before drawing my 70 pound compound and let me tell ya it hurt like .... having two nylon strings wrapped up in my bowstring when i shot.    let me know if you are interested..you won't find a more enjoyable hunt in my opinion.true wilderness

You can't count food in your cost Jamie, you eat when you're home don't you.  Food is a wash.

39hrs drive from NY to SW CO, John is right, it's a killer.  We did it with 3 men, non stop, twice..... never again for me.  Either I'm taking more time on the drive out or I'm flying.

I also agree with him on the cow tags.  $500 is a lot of tag to be bringing back home with you when you're learning.  

I'd jump on elkherders offer if you can swing it.  Wish I had as generous a one when I first went.

I did the whole shebang for less than $1000. I had fun and I did get into some Elk, but I had no idea what I was doing.  It's beautiful hunting for sure.  Depends what you want to get out of it.

After, I wished I'd have just bought a fishing license and fished and scouted and learned.

I hunt Idaho every year, OTC cow/Bull tag with your Lic about $500.00.  My DIY hunts runs around $1000.00..Beware.. myself and lots of other people can put in a position to see lots of ELK both C/B...This is hard hunting, up and down with nothing in the middle!! I hike 2 miles from base camp. Then comes the good part, getting the animial out!! No ATV's/wheels in most of the better area.  Good Luck!  :campfire:

There are lots of possibilities when it comes to hunting out west.  You can take the easy way and just book through an outfitter, or you can do the research and figure out how to do it yourself.  This thread is a great starting point, and loads of great info here!

It seems overwhelming at first.  So many States, so many different units and different regulations for each.  Just start breaking it down and check it all out.  It can be done, it just will take some work.  But the planning and anticipation is half of the fun, so enjoy it all!

Most of all, figure out whatever it will take, and then make it happen.  Plan, budget, scrimp and save, hoard vacation time, whatever you need to do.  I haven't met a person yet who is getting any younger, and waiting until later in life to make your elk hunting dreams come true is NOT a good idea. The mountains are tough, and each year will get harder.
Do it now!

Uhhhh....Mr. Whip, you must be getting younger cause you're battin a thousand for the last two elk seasons last I checked.   :notworthy:

If we throw out those six "practice" years that would be OK- but the darn mountains STILL keep getting steeper!  My memory is short though, and I find myself pouring over hunting regulations lately....  :rolleyes:  
Come on September!!!!!!!!!!!

I think you have plenty of advice about cost planning and such.  I have little to add that would be of much use to you about what to pack or where to go. I hunt elk on a regular basis (every year for the past 15 years) but use horses, and I take stuff that you likely will not be able to get to camp on your back.  

I would suggest that you take a summer vacation to Colorado, with your family, and spend some time in the mountains, hiking, fishing, picture taking and camping.  Get a map and find a place to go and explore it.  You will get a feel for the place and be better able to plan for hunting there.  I can tell you some places to go but I would be upsetting some one for giving up their spot.  Go to the Colorado DOW website and find the OTC units, pick a couple and look them up on google earth, and a topo map site.  There is no substitute for walking the ground and laying eyes on a place, you will learn a lot and you will have more educated directed questions to ask to further your journey into elk hunting.  If you do that you will be on your way and will have to return as often as you can.  I would not recommend going out totally cold and planning a trip without knowing what to expect from a prehunt trip.  Get into the best condition you can and just go.  If you pick out a few places you might want to go on your scouting trip and want to visit about those areas I would be happy to share some general information if I can.  Good luck.

That is great advice John.  I've done that a number of times myself and it sure does help immeasurably to be able to hit the ground running when you finally get out there to actually hunt.  And to top it off, those summer camping trips are some of the best trips my wife and I have ever enjoyed together.  She looks forward to them as much as I do.

Elkherder, I couldn't of said it better. Amen to that.

Jamie,

I have been looking at a DIY elk hunt for a few years myself. The wall I kept running into has been mentioned, a first "learning" trip is expensive.

Here is what I have been doing and my planning process:

I take 2 weeks each year and go out west to fish. I had the bright idea that I might want to go elk (or mule deer) hunting, so I switched the area I fish in to a decent area for elk and deer. My trip this year will make 5 years I have hiked and fished the Shoshone Nat. forest in Wy. I think I MIGHT know some of the area well enough to hunt it. Each year I pick out a new spot to fish/scout as well as hit places I have been. I am moderatly confident that I could find game if I went to hunt now.

I realize this may be a long process, but a fishing license is a heck of a lot cheaper than tags and such, and the sccouting is fun (and the trout are delicious!). I know it is time and money well invested for when I take the plunge for a hunt.

Another good source of information is the Eastmans Bowhunting Journal. They are pretty much wheel bow types, but once a year or so they print a guide to hunts in the west with info on states and units in those states with emphasis on DIY hunts. It references cost, density of game, when you have to put in for draws and where ya can get OTC tags and such. Good info.

I guess my advice boils down to, if you can't get a local to help you out, a scouting trip (flyrod in hand no doubt) would be a good investment. It's also a lot of fun.

Good luck!
OkKeith

Great info everyone. I REALLY thank you guys.
I have, at this point, no timeline, no anything really. I started this thread to get what Im getting.....great info.
The offers are amazing, and I may end up going that route...think I would be a fool not to. LOL.
Thanks again everyone...and keep it up.

I would like to ask about the set ups now. I shoot 56@28 and draw an even 28. Im thinking heavy arrow, with a hefty two blade?

That set up will be good elk medicine.  I used 57# @ 29" and am very confident in it.

ishi... sent ya an e-mail with a list.
just remember that my list is for camping out of a travel trailer, just modify it as you need to.
sammy

This will be my 4th year elk hunting solo...jsut my opinion, if you are going to spend $1000-$1300 to go, pay the extra $250 for the either sex tag..cause you know what will happen if you don't have one in your pocket...LOL...prepare yourself for a steep learning curve but its hte best...the second year I went, I called in a bull to 25yrds..couldn't get a shot and it walked off. I jsut sat down and revelled in the moment of my first bull in range..what a rush..

Ishi,

There has been some good advice given here and surely, a lot to consider.  So I really don't have much else to add.  BUT........I do have some opinions about a few things, based on experience, that I would like to share with you for your consideration.

One thing that is hard to wrap your brain around when you are pouring over topos in your living room in NY, or in my case, Texas, is the sheer size of the country inwhich you'll be hunting.  It is very daunting.  And with that in mind it is very possible, after all your hard research, to hunt for a week and not see a fresh track much less an actual elk.  

I've been elk hunting for 25 years and I've done it every which way there is.  Group hunts, DIY packin, guided and drop camps.  My suggestion to you would be to strongly consider doing a drop camp.  It's the next best thing to using a guide because, hopefully, if the outfitter that hauls you in is worth a darn they are going to put you in the middle of elk country.  They can give you tips and point you in the right direction to get you started.......the rest is up to you.

I may be wrong but I sometimes sense an undertone in some of the elk hunting advice given that if you don't do a DIY hunt you're not a real man or a real hunter.  Now....if you want to tag along with an experienced elk hunter....great!  Do it.  But if that doesn't work out.....go with an outfitter.  It will be money well spent in the long run.  There seems to be a miss conception about having a guide or having a guide haul you in.  That you're guaranteed and elk.  WRONG!!  Couldn't be farther from the truth.  It's still hard work and hard hunting.  But...you can learn in one week spent with a guide what it would take you years to figure out on your own.  Guys like you and I don't have the luxury or time of being able to scout out an area to hunt.  Or at least I don't.  That's where an outfitter can help.  And you can do a drop camp very reasonbly.

Also.....elk hunting is not a group activity.  In my opinion, more than 4 hunters in camp is too many!!!  Two is best!!!  And make sure that if you do use an outfitter and go the drop camp route that they limit the number of camps in a particular area to one camp....ONLY!!!  I looked into doing a drop camp in a area I used to hunt about 10 years ago whereby we were the only camp.  Well the ownership has changed and the new guy running the outfit is putting 4 drop camps in the same area that we use to hunt out of 1 camp.  That just won't do!!!!!

Too many people is too many people.  A great spot can get screwed up real quick when there are two many guys tromping around.  The elk can move over 2 or 3 drainages and you won't figure it out until it's too late.

And one last thing......spend the extra money to get an either sex tag.  In my personal experience, I've had way more close encounters with bulls than with cows.

Good luck!!

Brett

Jamie, I've been thinking about this for a while now too.  My brother moving to CO last year pretty much set my destination.  Now he's getting to know the areas I'm hoping to hunt.

I go from New York to Colorado every couple years on a DIY hunt. With 3 guys per truck, costs can be budgeted as follows:

$550 - license
$250 - gas (better plan on a least $3 gallon)I was on an elk hunt when Katrina went through. Gas was $2.20/gal when we went in. It was $3.25 gallon when we came out.

Food - who cares, you gotta eat even if you don't go.
$100 - gift for the wife, or I'd better not come back.
$250 - Elk processing and you gotta plan on getting an elk.
$100 - incidentals

It's going to cost you at least $1000-$1200 on a DIY hunt. I consider it a deal.

By the time you've done this 3 or 4 times, you'll have your favorite areas well known and you'll get a lot more quality hunting in, rather than looking for the prime spots.

I enjoy this hunt more than any other - have fun, you'll love it.

Quote... success to me is getting "into" elk, not necisarily(sp?) killing one. When you get closer to going, give me a holler, if you don't mind hunting cows and spikes. Good luck, elk huntin is a ball!! [/QB]

As steadman said getting into elk is a ton of fun but doesn't necessarily mean you are going to kill one.

We have the PBS youth coming out the first week of the Utah Hunt, then the next two weeks we plan on doing some wandering around chasin' some spikes & cows.

I'll add my 2cents here as I have been a few times and done it three different ways.

1ST TRIP - Outfitter on public land with horses in Colorado was probably the worst experience of any. This guy's "guides" were to say unemployed and available to "guide", most had never elk hunted themselves much less guided. Being on BLM land, he was designated/permitted an area for the campsite and could not move it, even though we were 2,000 ft higher than the elk(and miles away from). Guides were wrangling horses after breakfast and let's say it had been daylight a long time when we finally left camp.

2nd & 3rd Trip - Outfitter on private land. Did this two different times and really was worth the money(of course it was a lot less money 20 yrs. ago). The advantage here was the controlled access and knowledge of the resident herd. If you consider that you may have to do several DIY hunts at $1500 each the economy of this type hunt starts to make sense.

4th & 5th Trip - Same area both times, public land in Colorado.It was fun, but as has been pointed out previously, being a newbie you can expect multiple trips to an area before you are truly hunting the animals. Second trip we RENTED two horses for our duration and where able to pack camp a fews miles from the highways and be right on the edge of our elk hunting.

So what wisdom was garnered from all this? If you are not going right away I would start looking at limited access areas, in other words start applying for special permits, could take 5 yrs. to draw the area you want. I think this is especially important in Colorado where tags are still sold across the counter and anyone deciding in August to go elk hunting is going to end up   there. Wyoming doesn't get that much pressure because the draw deadline is so early, but this type of homework can really pay off.

If an outfitter is chosen then an outfitter on private land would be my choice as opposed to an outfitter on public land. I would also avoid horses unless there are wranglers there just to get the horses ready for the mornings hunt, but if you're in good elk country you shouldn't have to travel miles each day just to reach the elk herd.  

Be aware of altitude sickness. I had splitting headaches my first trip and I know others that got dreadfully sick while in the mountains. But by all means, go when you are young and able to run the ridges all day, day after day. John

Great points and great info so far guys. You are actually make me think of stuff I hadnt even considered.

Smallwood, I got the email, but for some reason I cant open it. What program should work?

Let me reitierate, this isnt something Im going to rush off and do this year, as much as I would love to. I am atleast a full year, maybe as much as 3 out from "go time". I just want to be as prepared as possible when that time comes...and so far everyone is helping tremendously. Keep it up. Thanks.

i'll resend it

Intuit has brought up some good points.  Mainly, there are good outfitters and bad ones.  With a little research and some quick phone calls you should be able to find a good outfitters within your budget that has quality wranglers and guides working for him.

One thing you must think about is that even though a DIY hunt may be cheaper and fulfilling to some, you still need to get way back in there away from vehicles, people, roads etc.  The best places to do that are wilderness areas or private lands if you can afford it.  But remember....if you are 3, 5, 10 or 12 miles back in and you are lucky enough to kill an elk....you gotta get it out.  In that case time is your worst enemy.  Archery elk season in most elk states is late August thru late September.  Most of the time the weather during this time of year is warm.  An elk will spoil very quickly if not taken care of properly.

You can't imagine how much work is involved getting a downed elk out and getting the meat cool.  If the truth be know....I would be willing to bet most hunters don't get the job done.  I've seen it time and again with my own eyes.  Guys come up to the mountains with grandiose ideas of shooting an elk.  Then when they do get one they don't want to put out the effort to recover all the meat.  Heck I've seen so much stupid crap it makes me sick...but that's another story.

My point is...instead of taking several trips out west to figure out how to do it, and some people never figure it out, spend a little extra your first go around, learn the ropes a little, pick the quides brain and shorten your learning curve.  God know you will have plenty of time to just talk when you are out with a guide.  If he's worth his salt it will be money well spent.  And then when you finally connect on an elk you'll be able to get 100% of you elk out and to your house where you'll be able to enjoy it for a year or so.

Also...check out  http://www.elkcamp.com.   Lots of good info over there.

Brett

Steertalker, I wouldnt think of not getting the meat out....may be the main reason if I decide to go with an outfitter.
Man there sure is a lot to consider. Still something Im gonna do though...

Jamie

Steertalker makes some fine points.  Elk normally like the deepest darkes spots away from people, which makes gettting to them, and getting them out that much harder.

You just can't be too prepared when elk hunting.

One thing I have been trying to find the time for and trying to prepare for is being more mobile.  What I mean by that is having the ability to follow the elk.  Sometimes we get a camp setup and hunt around it, but the elk are further away, which means having to move camp or hunt further away from camp.

Being able to be mobile helps you to stay "in" the elk, thus increasing your odds at shot oppurtunities.  

Also, not sure if you are picky, but I would never pass up any shot I get at elk, they just don't come by that often.

Best of luck to ya!!!  Hope you get to realize your dreams of hunting elk sooner than later!!

Jaime, I'm locking this thread into my favorites. I've been dreaming of Elk for as long as I can remember. If the time comes and things workout I'd love to share in the experience if you decide to take some friends. Skippy

My dad knows a few guys who drive out and do a DIY elk hunt in colorado every year. I'll see what info they will share.

I think everyone is making great points, and giving great advice.

For a guy like me who has only ever seen the Catskill and Adirondack mountains, it seems like a daunting task.

Jake, I wouldnt hesitate to take a shot bro. Even if I had to pack it all out solo...I know.. I know...crazy. LOL.

Packing out a mature bull, if you're by yourself is gonna take you 4 or 5 trips. SPend all day hiking and hunting, then if things go well get one down late afternoon or evening. Skinning, quartering and boning it out by yourself is gonna take a couple hours. Dump everything out ofyour pack and stuff it with 70-90 lbs of meat or more( if you're part ox) and haul it however far to camp or the truck. Hiking with that much on your back is a load, uphill or down. Then turn around and do it again, 3 more trips for meat, and another for cape and horns. If youwantto pack outthe entire hide whole, figure an easy 100 lbs or more. Trust me, an elk on the ground is WORK and there is no way around it.

September is more often warm, I've hunted more 80 degree days that 50's.

Yeah I know AA...I was just trying to express my enthusiasm. Trust me, when I do this, I want to do it right, and as easily as possible. The Army had me used to carrying that much all day.....ten years ago. LOL!

Been thinking about some more questions. Deadlines for the different states for tag applications? OTC Tags in your state or not? Public/non-resident access to land?

Thanks again everyone...really putting it all in perspective for me.

Another thing to consider:  Depending on where you finally decide to hunt....there may be bears.  Where I've been hunting the last 3 years in SW Colorado you could not afford to leave your meat laying around too long because when you came back for the next load or if you had to leave your animal over night, it was very likely you would have a visitor.  Hence....we carry firearms for protection any time we have to approach a downed elk if we've had to leave it for awhile.  And this was black bear country, mind you.  Wyoming or Montana.....might be a whole different situation, if you get my drift.

Ideally....you want to make a clean quick kill.  Get on your animal and get about taking care of business.  The faster you can get your carcass cooled down and get it back to camp the happier you're gonna be when it comes to eating it.  That's why....when you're at 10,000 or 11,000 ft, you've been chasing elk all day, you finally have one down and you've been working your tail off getting it cut up and ready to pack out.....the most beautiful sight in the whole world is a cowboy on horseback with 2 or 3 mules following him.......head'n your way  :bigsmyl:

Brett

QuoteOriginally posted by Steertalker:
That's why....when you're at 10,000 or 11,000 ft, you've been chasing elk all day, you finally have one down and you've been working your tail off getting it cut up and ready to pack out.....the most beautiful sight in the whole world is a cowboy on horseback with 2 or 3 mules following him.......head'n your way   :bigsmyl:  

Brett

Amen!  

I have been on an guieded Elk hunt before, and it was no guarentee at all!  I was shooting a compound at the time, and there were two trad guys in camp as well.  Although they had shot opps, they did not take an elk.

We worked our butts off finding the elk, and then worked some more getting into them, seeing those horses was a fine sight indeed.

The same would be true with a drop camp, but the feeling of doing most of the finding and calling is that much sweeter!

It all sounds sweet to me Jake...just being there and hearing a bugle would make it worthwhile for me.

Steertalker, ya put cowboys in a whole new light....think my wife likes em for a different reason though!  :biglaugh:

Here ya go Jamie. This ought to get the juices flowing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AS9T_9VMB8

Like the Nike ad--"Just do it"!

I would suggest that you find three other guys to go with you. That way you can hunt in pairs which works really well for elk. Also If you get an elk you will have help dealing with it. The cost would be less and you would have more fun.
Just make sure that they are people that you would be able to get along with.

John

Great thread guys... Would anyone care to offer up specific OTC units to target for those of us set on a DIY hunt?  Specifically backpacking in and no ATV encroachment.  Does anyone know the cost to ship an elk back if you fly?  FYI flights from Columbus, OH are running around $290 round trip.  SUV rental $500.  Thanks for all the great intel!

My bud from southern ohio came out.  Shot a 5x5 bought 2 extra suitcases think it cost $100 per bag.I shipped the head and cape back ups ground, that was another $115.

I must say, Ive never seen so many good people helping out with good info.This is great stuff,thats why i love TRADGANG...

Wow what a list of advice for a trip out here where I live and hunt. I am so thankful I live here. Well I have had guys come out and hunt with friends and family. I live in Vancouver now but I used to live in Oregon and I used to take friends to a few spots I know and I always see or came across ELK. I could help any of you and tell ya right where you can get on ELK. It would save you lots of looking. I am now trying to learn south west Washington. I have seen more black bear than elk in the last few years. Good luck and I will be willing to help with what ever I could. Oregon is in the 4 hundred dollar range the last time I hunted with my brother. I will tell ya this if you come all the way out west the Roosevelt elk are lots bigger than the Rocky Mt Elk. The Elk out hear are as big as a Horse but the racks are not as big. Good Luck with all of you that plan and travel out here.

I've done two DIY trips out west one in WY one in ID.(3 elk, 1 moose came home)  Drove out on one and flew on another, with all the luggage restrictions today it will be very hard to get what you need out there without paying overage charges.  All I can say is research, research, research, but it's fun and can be done, don't get over whelmed just have fun.  One trick my friend and I use to get more meat home is to put frozen meat into a sleeping bag then cram it into your carry on.  We use larger backpacks so people are less apt to want to weigh them or handle them.  As long as you look like your not struggling people don't seem to question it's weight. 50# per guy Joe

I've also heard where possible use Alaskan Air.  They are much more hunter friendly and accomodating, especially if you need to bring home big horns, they know how to handle them.  If you shoot a big bull and are thinking about P&Y you need them to be careful handling the rack in the luggage area.  If keeping the skull intact is not an issue crack it and put the horns in a big duffle with you clothes around them.  Your taxidermist can put them back together fairly easily.  Joe

Elkslayer, I sure do envy you guys that live out there. Dont get me wrong, I love the woods around and in NY, but something about the west calls to me.

Im truly amazed by the genuine offers and great advice everyone is contributing. Makes it almost unreal...

Between this thread and dreaming....feel like I am already hunting.

TTT

ishiwannabe-  All good advise. If you want help to motivate you and fine tune your "state of mind", you might enjoy my brand new book "One with the Wilderness" (Passions of a Solo Bowhunter). For more information go to sponsors or  www.brothersofthebow.com (http://www.brothersofthebow.com)    Thanks, Mike
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Ive hunted colorado for 13yrs out of the last 16. We have had better than average success some years 50% or better. Last fall out of 6 guys we killed 3 bulls and a small mulie buck. You might have to spend a couple years to gain some matter of success just to learn the country, water holes, wallows, bedding areas etc. I hunt unit 52,521,411 and there is alot of elk here, not many book bulls but some nice ones and any elk with a stickbow is a trophy indeed. We always haul our own gear wall tents, stoves,  pack frames, etc. And we also take a freezer and a small generator, it can be extreamly warm during bow season. We haul all this in my enclosed trailer that I have just for hunting. Last year 5 of us left from Michigan and a freind from NM met us there. We took one 4 dr deisel truck and split the fuel. If your looking to budget the trip I usually figure around 1200-1400$ per guy which is very cheap for an elk hunt.If you would like anymore info you could call me and I will help you as muck as I can. After all these years I got a pretty good handle on it. And I have killed bulls personally the last three years in a row so something is going right. pm me If you would like my phone #. Good luck, Don.

Wow Don, sounds like you do in fact have it figured out.

Sure is a great dream hunt...

What about some of the overlooked stuff? Clothing....boots.....camp equipment. Essentials? Comfort items? You know that kind of stuff. Any of you have one thing, or a few, that makes a big difference with this type of adventure?

elk hunting and elk calling are two entirely different things,elk are very easy to call in.sometimes they will come right in like on a rope,sometimes they sneek in quiet just to take a peek,generally the ones that sneek in are worried about a bigger bull whippin his butt.i used to bugle a lot but as the years go by i generally cowcall unless a bull is hot and ready to fight.in this case the more you bugle the madder he gets.its pretty important to mimick the bulls actions meaning bugle his bugle (match it) if he starts beating up a tree then grab a limb and start thrashing it on a smaller tree.you are basically saying back to him that you are badder than him and you aren't going anywhere.most critical of all is the wind,keep the wind in your favor or its game over for you.like i said get some calls and elk videos and watch them several times each as most of them have very good lessons in them on calling etc. the outfitter i use takes you in and out plus will take out your game (included in price)and deliver it to be processed for you.if you fly it will cost you to fly the meat home.could be expensive.drive and you'll have to keep it iced up all the way home.cheaper than flying for sure.a great bugle to buy that is very easy to master is the power bugle.thats what i use and i just took the small tube and replaced it with one that has a larger bell on it and it sounds very good.things to think about...             larry

good boots are a must.a good knife and sharpener also,fleece camo is the best imo because its soft and quiet when moving around,i always carry my gps as its invaluable for marking good spots like wallows,where your elk is,camp etc.bring socks (two pair per day) scent eliminator is crucial,wind detectors also.tie some yarn to your bow so you can see wind direction and squeeze breeze works great or flickits.generally it depends on what hunt you opt to do.a supplied drop camp is imo the best way to go.you only bring your clothes,hunting gear, sleeping bag.everything else is supplied and camp is set up and waiting for your arrival.i cannot tell you how nice it is not to have to set up or take down a camp............larry

Some people just dont get it...
I was talking to my older bro about this possibility, and he wanted in. I said "Ok, learn how to shoot a recurve or longbow." He started ranting how if he hunts elk, it will be with a gun so if he sees one, he can get one.
Now, that in itself, wasnt to bad. He is the type that needs a harvest to feel successful.
But he eventually got around to how stupid it would be for me to "waste" the time, effort and money and hunt with a "stupid bow".
Some people just dont get it I guess...sorry...had to vent.

Larry, thats the kind of stuff Im looking for. Im hoping more would post what they use, maybe it would allow me to see a pattern of useful vs. un-used.

Here's a useful link I came across last year b4 my first Elk hunt in Colorado, lots of great info!

http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=059344;p=1

Also I'm sure there are others but 'Elk and Elk hunting' by 'Hartt Wixom' was a great source of info on the fundamentals and fine point of chasing Wapiti.

Andy.

I remember that thread well - it should be a Trad Gang Classic!  Loads and loads of great information for everyone who wants to go elk hunting.

Yeah that is a great thread, and it is partly responsible for this one. I have it in my favorites now and have been re-reading it.
Every little bit helps.  :D

Hey Jamie! If I go to the Elks Club on Route 23 do ya think I can bag a big 'un?

... mike ...  :D  ...

I agree!  I went back today and re-read it (I've been cooped up with a nasty flu) there is a TON of valuable information in that thread.  Also, Todd and others do a nice job of keeping it practical and simple.  

Joe - I also appreciated your advice of "do it now - don't wait."  

Good stuff!

I hope this one continues....

Mikey, just go down the road from your cabin to the Elk farm buddy! Im sure those elk will taste better than the others....  :jumper:

Yeah cause, there aint no elk in Colorado  :biglaugh:

This thread's been rockin for awhile, generally good advice.  Here's the contents of my pack, for a day hunt.

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This amount of stuff has proven more than enough for the last couple of years.  Food, water/filter, survival kit(flint,lighter, matches, cotton and vaseline, cord, duct tape, sil tarp), batterie/gps/compass/ map, extra socks and hat, knives, calls, extra glove and game bags.  To me it came down to this.  out of 100% of the stuff I would take,

10% is essential for a happy hunt, used every time or for safety,
80% is useful stuff, though it often goes unused
10% is frivolous and Great to have  (Gourmet Chocolate,  stumpin arrows, gum or hard candy, mapping GPS)

get rid of the middle 80% and you'll be safe, light and always prepared for a good time.  Where things fit in these categories is likely personal.    
here's the whole tamale packed.  Light and fast, ready to kill and carry 200lbs out if my back so desired.  

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When I go for 2-3 days I just throw on the sleeping bag and more food.  

If your going to call, practice.  Read, study.  Remember that when calling your actually saying something to the elk.  I've found that succesful elkhunters have a system that works.  Elknut's is one of the best and the first I've seen publicly articulated so well.

Be mindful of what worked when and why.  

By the time I've seen this thread, there's been a lot of good advice.  So I won't gum up your head.  HAVE FUN!

one more thing.

The two things that kill more elk than any other, seemingly are at odds with each other;


Be very patient
Be very mobile
 shoot straight, Dan

Looks like a good set up Dan.  You've got a pack that is capable of packing meat, and you have the things in it that are needed to take care of an animal on the ground.  It is tempting for many to eliminate some of those things with the thought "I'll just go back to the truck for that if I need it"  But when in that situation, meat often needs to be taken care of fast, and it just makes so much more sense to carry some of it with you on the first trip out.

What is the "sil tarp"?  Is that used for laying meat on during bone out, or for rain protection or both?  

The one thing I would definatley add is a camera!

HAH!  yeah, good idea whip.  Actually, I'm a photographer, so I have a canon elph hanging around.  I knew I'd forget something.  

The Sil tarp is a silicone impregnated nylon Tarp.  Packs down to and weighs nothing.  Its my tent if I need one  :-)  
Yes, I have used it to lay the meat on to cool off and keep it clean.

This pic is actually a reflecitve tarp, not sil/nylon.  I prefer Sil for its weight and space.
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Yeah, I've always got bags and boning knives.  Notice the pack has a 8000 CI bag there under that shelf ready to go.  The added weight in negligible.  The frame is narrow and light.  anywhere further than 2 legit miles away from the truck is to far to go back to get the pack IMO. Wasted time.  anyway, This is what works for me, just wanted to add to the thread.  Dan

Elkbreath, thats what Im hoping for...pics help a ton.

My list of things to get is growing rather quickly...  :thumbsup:

Dan, what do you have your meat packed in?  Looks like clear plastic bags?  Are they made for packing meat?  I don't like most game bags that are sold, even the reletively heavy Alaskan Bags still don't stop flies from laying eggs right through them.  I have some really heavy canvas type bags I'm using now, but I'm always looking for lighter and better!

I always carry 2 white pillow cases.  They are tough and last a while.  I don't know about putting meat in plastic bags, unless it is for a very short period.

like nurray, I generally use oversized pillow cases too or game bags.  BUT, the best I have or have used IMO are the meat bags by kifaru.  They are very lightweight and strong.  Flies cannot lay thru them.  This pic was taken with ICE bags, the bigger the better.  They seem to work very well.  Let the meat cool and breathe for a bit before putting them in there.  If you have to go out and come back, make two trips as in a Solo trip, then they will let you put the meat in a creek without water getting in.

KNOW if you are allergic to bee stings before you go-Be aware that a kill at midday with unseasonally high temps compounds the problem of trying to cool the meat by swarms of yellow jackets attacking the meat. A mixture of white vinegar/black pepper in a collapsible spray bottle or the "Liquid Game Bag" combo will help with the problem of the bees and blowflies.

Lot's of good ideas, even for someone who has done it a few times.  A lot of guy's put off this hunt due to the fear that it's too costly, or that you need a lot of stuff.  My recommendation is get a few basic items, and go. My last trip was only about a $1000 as I drove my truck, and my 2 buddies bought the gas.  Had a great time, and it's almost as cheap as living at home!

I heard this one in Alaska.  In warm temps, and no cold creek around, dig a hole and place the meat(already cooled) in plastic bags and bury.  Never tried it but quite a few did, especially out on the tundra(no shade or trees to hang the meat).

if you want to hunt in oregon ishi i would gladly show you the ropes.season after this coming season i will most likely hunt in my hunting spot that had a fire go through it (should be good again by then)its been re-seeded by air drop and the grass will be thick and the elk will be there for sure.nothing like it when you get into elk.

if you want to hunt in oregon ishi i would gladly show you the ropes.season after this coming season i will most likely hunt in my hunting spot that had a fire go through it (should be good again by then)its been re-seeded by air drop and the grass will be thick and the elk will be there for sure.nothing like it when you get into elk.

But he eventually got around to how stupid it would be for me to "waste" the time, effort and money and hunt with a "stupid bow".

I've heard that same line from guys at work. How stupid would it be NOT to go, and experience the mountain tranquility, the excitement of hunting elk on YOUR terms. How stupid would it be to allow someone else to steal your dream, and live life wondering what could be, when you can do it YOUR way, with no regrets. I would not share a hunt with anyone who has to look down their nose as the others choice of gear. Thats a personal thing.

I've been to Colorado 4 times, 3 with a longbow.
I have had very close opportunities every trip.
I'm still payin dues,but that just means I get to try again. I'm not gettin any younger, my body reminds me of that every day. But as long as the good Lord allows, I will continue. I may never kill and elk, but I know I'll be happier knowing I never quit, that to say I never tried.

I have 2 years until I retire from my job as a firefighter. I'll be pushin 50. I figure  have a lot of Spetembers left after that to live in the mountains chasin dreams.

I hear ya Autumn Archer, I think it was a mixture of "older-brother-itis" and jealousy...equal parts.
Im pushing 34, so I know Im going to get out there and chase elk somewhere in the next few years. I need to know what Im doing when my boy is old enough to tag along.  :thumbsup:

I think I've read this whole thread and I have not heard anyone say anything about bears.  What are your thoughts concerning bears while elk hunting in Colorado?  Does anyone feel the need to carry a 44 mag?  Any good stories out there?

This is a great thread.  I have been 3 times and have still yet to connect.  So like Autumnarcher, I 'm still payin' my dues.  I'm 31 and wish I could have started going when I was 20.  This time of year all I can think about is elk hunting.  Drives the wife nuts!  Once you go you will be hooked.

There has been some great advice from more experienced elk hunters than myself, so the only thing I could add is to get into shape.  Most elk country (especially OTC in CO) is steep and rugged.  Start getting into shape the year before you plan to go.  It will allow you to have a much more enjoyable hunt.  

The only other thing to add is to just go for it!  Remember, you're not getting any younger, and the mountains aren't getting any flatter.  When you do decide to go I hope you have a great hunt.

Cade

You are so right Cade - good advice.  You may wish you had started earlier, but I was in my mid forties before I got hooked.  Sure wish I had started in my twenties like you did!

I usually have at least one bear encounter a year in CO. I've never had any aggressiveness myself but have had hunters stop at my camp and show me the damage done by hungry bears; canvas tent ripped open at night while they were sleeping and a truck camper rear door partially torn open by a bear.(West Elk-2004) Twice I was at camp midday and had a roaming bear circle my wall tent. The second bear made the mistake of sticking around close and was shot by a muzzie hunter with a bear tag.(San Juans-2006) I got too close to a bear this season while elk hunting by still hunting in thick oak brush. I knew I was too close when I smelled him. Its a smell you'll always remember,believe me. I just backed out(I was about 20 yds. downwind) and skirted the oak patch he was working and left the area. In 2007 the rancher lost 3 of his range cattle to bear(s). The game warden investigated and several locals with bear tags helped out but I don't think they got the bear.

Make sure there's only one bear before you start relaxing and taking pics. I was trying to get a pic of the first bear and then saw the small cub running to catch up.
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I was scouting new territory and spotted this bear. He realized I was there when I tried to get closer for a pic.
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This grizzly bear was struck by a Dodge dually truck in Montana. Notice he had not had a recent pedicure.Northern Idaho,NW Montana, and the Bitterroots might harbor a few of these.
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I had two larger bear cubs 2 feet from me last time I went,  didn't see momma. I was leaning against a tree while my partner was calling behind me. After sniffing my daypack, I shoo'ed them off, them went over to where Jim way laying along a deadfall, and licked his boot. He kicked the bear in the nose, and all hell broke loose. The bear cubs took off bawling, the elk busted out of the brush, as did momma bear, we all departed the opposite direction. It was a hoot!

I didnt know we were heading to the area we were, and I had left my .45 and my camera in camp. That bench is a great spot to see bears, thick cover surrounding several water holes.

I carry a .45 as there are a lot of bears in the area we hunt, and mountain lions in the area, so its a good insurance policy. Jim has had cats sneak in on him before while cow calling, and we had a cat take down a muley buck 300 yds from camp one year. We spotted coyotes feeding on the carcass. Cat broke the bucks neck. Tracks showed it was a female with a cub, probably  teaching jr. the tricks of the trade.

After I saw that, I started carrying a sidearm.I know lots of guys do not,and several who do. If it never comes out of the holster, thats fine with me.

Hijacking the elk thread I guess but here is the bear that wanted to join me for a late pancake brunch-circled my wall tent but made the mistake of being a 1/4 mile up the logging road when I alerted my local bear hunting friends. He was brought back for identification on the tailgate of the local's truck minutes after this pic was taken.
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Great pics. I have thought about bears a little bit, and figured it would be something to be aware of, and ready for, but not stress about.
Atleast until I have to.  :D  

All this great advice, and here I am with more questions. Now mind you, I live in upstate NY, and the only elk I have ever seen are being raised on a farm about fifteen miles away.

Any advice as far as shot placement? Pictures?
What time of year would you plan for? Say a full week out of the season-maybe two?
Does your state offer more than elk OTC? I was thinking about it, and many times when I hunt around here, I get close to whatever it is Im NOT hunting. Typical, right? Figure if I can have a few tags...why not.

For those of you fortunate enough to hunt elk in numerous states...if you could go to any state for an ultimate hunt, where would it be? Why?

Again, I appreciate all the input, advice and enthusiasm. Getting to the point where Im dreaming about it...talking about it...huh...wonder if thats why my wife is looking at me like that....  :rolleyes:

I could hunt other states and considered it many times but the aspens always draws me back to CO. OTC areas also and I don't want to miss a season plus  I like life simple(too much mumbo-jumbo in the drawing  game). I was going to change to Idaho and may eventually but its looking like an old haunt in CO is calling my name for this season. If a person is limited in physical activities I would recommend the last weekend of muzzie season on into the last week of archery(CO). The silly elk had moved right into camp with me and held tight that week. I spooked a large bull with a cow about 150 yds. across the Forest Rd. that was holed up in some downed timber midday one day. He had made a huge rub there close by. I had a single cow elk feeding within 75 yds. of my base camp one evening well before dark. And I spooked a large herd of elk just after dark as I got within a 1/4 mile of my camp(just off a well-used numbered Forest Rd.) SO elk are where you find them- and they might even act like a whitetail in heavily hunted areas.

Sounds awesome rtherber. I cant wait to take in all the sights and smells of elk hunting...

Up for Zach....  :archer:

I have been to CO on DIY hunts rifle twice, bow 3 times and have had a shot every time, most at bulls. Hard work, don't give up, be aggressive yet smart, and cover a lot of ground!!!! I am going again this year. You get addicted. I am also going to get one of those high up giant mulies I see but never had a tag for!
On the last trip I took a nap on the mountain side and woke up to a large sow black bear and two 150# "cubs" working the area and happened to pass waaaayyy too close for comfort. Was very cool to see.

I buy a mulie and elk cow tag for about the same price as a bull. The downside, usually I can get close to bulls a bit easier. They tend to get agressive to calling and are like big turkeys.

If you decide Oregon, I know a guy that does drop camps in the Eagle Caps, but I would take up Elkherder on his offer.

I have hunted elk for 3 years and can usually spot when someone knows there stuff, it sounds like he does.

From what I gather, elk rut in near the same spot every year. The rut periods may vary from year to year by a week or so one way or the other, but they appear to rut in the same general area every year.

I am convinced of this as I ran into a bowhunter that was looking for a bull in 2007 where he had harvested 2 other in previous years. In 2008, I bagged a bull within 100 yard of where I ran into that other bowhunter. A mere 3/4 of a mile for the nearest Forest Service road.

Having good advice or a mentor is indespencible.

$1200 for a drop camp is peanuts compared to going somewhere and starting from scratch. You appear to have a ton of help on here. Consider your self lucky. Finding someone to help you out can be tough. Cherish these guys.

Good luck to you.

Paul

I almost forgot.

You might want to pick up these books if you are going to hunt a wilderness area:

"Back Country Bowhunting" by Cameron Hanes

"Public Land Mulies" by David Long

Both have very valuable gear information and go through some training regimines.

I am now training for my elk hunt this year. I started 2 months ago.

Out here, it is steep and deep.

You are often either going up hill or down hill. Being is shape is NOT an option.

I have a bad back, so I am going slow. At this time I walk 2 miles every other day with a 24# pack on my back. I will up that to 3 miles within the next month and continue upward.

I plan to be up to 5 miles with a 30# pack by July.

Elk/deer out west is a year round hobby for a lot of us.

Paul

BlacktailBowhunter Is right, hunting out west it not like hunting any where else. it is thick and like he said up or down hill and lots of it. The longest day hunting for me was a little over 7 miles and that was a lot of side hilling and ups and downs. It will blow your mind how an Elk as big as a horse can disappear into the thickest stuff that you might have to crawl through. Or you can get within 20 feet of one and not know its there. I once walked in on a flat area and sat down on a stump with all camo on and sent spray on and with a lite fog just covering the ground and then just as the sun camp up and the light started to come through the trees about twenty elk stood up and I was dang near in the middle of them all. After a cow saw me or smelled me they all jumped up and I didn't not know if I should shoot or hide or run as it scared me as much as I did them. It is something you will never forget it if you get the chance, and I consider myself one of the lucky ones because I live here.

Paul, thanks for the info, I will check into those books. Im hoping to be doing some serious physical training in the next few months. Right now, I have to settle for chasing a 17 month old boy around...Lol.

7 miles in that terrain sounds like absolute torture any Drill Sergeant would be proud of....man, sounds like blast.

Got a couple of bows that are capable now. Now its a matter of choosing where and when and go from there.

Thanks for all the advice and information you have all added. It put everything into a much better perspective for me, and made me think of things that I hadnt even considered yet.

Lots of good advice here, i`m listen in an have started training for my own hunt in sept Its going to be my first for elk at 10-11000" altitude