Just curious, who shoots the big Snuffer. What poundage, arrow weight, bow type(LB or Curve)?If you shoot 'em give your opinion, good penetration, bad etc. :rolleyes:
I have always had great penetration with the big snuffers.I have always been shooting bows over 70#'s though.My arrows where in the 725-750 gr.and I kept them very sharp.I still like the heads but have dropped to 65# and I don't see any problems.
Yet to connect with an animal, BUT, I have 150 Snuffers on Carbon Express arrows, 650 grain total, 20% FOC, out of a longbow. 50# @ 29.5" . They fly true and hit hard.
I killed 2 deer in Texas with 145 grain snuffers on 100 grain steel inserts. These were on carbon arrows, 550 grains total. I was shooting a 53# Wapiti recurve.
Did the job well for me. Good blood trails. I usually shoot 53#, and I would not hesitate to shoot deer sized game with Snuffers.
The doe in my avatar was shot thru the heart with a big snuffer. She sprayed lots of blood and covered less than 75 yards.
Brett
Have been using the 150 grain Snuffer the last 2 years with a 55lb recurve and aluminum arrows and have been very happy with them.
2 Bucks and 2 Does and all have gone down within 75 yards with nice blood trails.
I am using 160 gr. Snuffers with the 125 gr. adaptors. After using brass inserts and weights, my arrows weigh 855 gr. and I shoot them out of a 71# recurve. I have not killed anything with this set-up yet, but the penetration I get in my targets is outstanding vs lighter set-ups I've used. I have had several kills with the big Snuffers in my pre-stickbow days and the only non pass throughs I had were on a couple spine hits that embedded in bone and dropped them in their tracks.
IMO a file sharpened and honed Snuffer out of a mid to high weight bow is about as good as it gets for North American hunters. Mine have always flown well, sharpened easily, been tough on impact and penterated to give two holes.
Hackbow- you trying to kill freight trains with that set up? WOW!
I am impressed.
Brett
I do ! great broadhead (Stealth) 54@28 makes a big hole and death quickly!!
Guru might be along here shortly...his experiances with Snuffers were enough to get me to try them. Have yet to get a big game animal with them myself, but they have yet to displease as far as accuracy and durability are concerned...
I've taken a few deer with the 160 grain Snuffers and really like them for Black Bear and Turkey. Want that large hole and smackdown power. Getting the sharp is no problem either, they hold a good edge.
I shot a nice 3 yr. old 8 pt. with a big snuffer back in the late 80's. The entrance whole was so big a guy accused me of using a 12 ga. slug. Had to show him 3 slits on inside of opposite rib cage, he just couldn't beleive it.
I`m useing 100gr.snuffers on 75gr. adapters,total 175gr. in Herritage 250 with 100gr.brass inserts.Total weight is 660gr.They`re flying out of my Bear Super Kodiak at 55#@28.They go where your looking. :thumbsup: And they hit with authority.
Been shooting them 4 15 years.I 've killed deer w/ all the different weight snuffers and I prefer to stay w/ the 145's or 160's gr glue-ons.I've not had any damage to the heads after a kill w/
the 145's and 160's.Snuffers below those weights are too weak 4 my liking.
As 4 set-ups,
Bows from 52lbs too 75lbs all recurves of different makes at 27'' draw.Arros,485gr/725gr alums,carbon,and woods of several types.
I've had bad penatration twice and both times where w/ set-ups that weren't tuned.The first was a big bull at 35+ yrds w/ a 64lbs bow and the second was a small buck at 4yrds w/ a 71 lbs bow.
Tunning is the key for penatration.
160 grain Snuffers leave big holes. This is an entrance hole.
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I shoot Snuffer 160's for turkeys. I want the arrow to do a lot of damage and stay in the bird; that's what happens. I shot them deer hunting for a season and found that I couldn't punch them through the opposite chest wall consistently. Dead deer yes, but only one hole. So, Woodsman for deer, snuffs for turks.
56@28, 600grain carbons.
I have shot 185 gr Snuffers with Axis 340's and a 125 gr insert out of my approx. 60lb Big East recurve. I got pass throughs on all deer I shot and busted the big wing bone near the wing butt in half on the turkey I shot. The 1st picture is a closeup of the Snuffer and the busted bone. The second picture is one of the whitetails that was Snufferized.
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Do they whistle in flight??? I SHOT Ravercaps an they seemed to make a noise in flight so i never hunted with them. If they dont i might try some..WHAT A BIG HOLE!!
HISS OF DEATH
I shoot the 160's with 125 gr adapter and a 100gr insert. In the Beman ICS 300(?) I think. Total arrow weight is right around 590-600 grains out of a 58lb Tomahawk Longbow. I will never shoot another broadhead. They leave holes the size of 12 ga. slugs. They saved my arse on my buck this year,a nd for that very reason I will not shoot another broadhead. I love them. And they are extrememly easy to sharpen. I am sharpening inept, but I can get those puppies ready to hunt in no time.
Dustin, pending on arrow length i bet ur arrows closer to 660-690grs. Do get any noise from the heads?
Has anyone done a tutorial on sharpening snuffers? I seem to remember one but cant find it
Should I be concerned that they hiss in flight ?I.ve always shot 2 blades but want to try the snuffers but they are noiser. Do others notice the hissing ?
Ive been shooting 160 glue ons for over ten yrs 55 to 65 lb bows, wood arrows or aluminum with flightmate adapters. Never a problem with tuned set up or the deer far enough away to stablize. (10 yds...ten feet is too close but the broadhead still penatrated both sides.) As for the "HISS", its a soft noise similar to a bird flying by, I have shot over my share of deer and never had them react to the arrow in flight but jump from the impact on the offside ground. Usually the deer stare at the arrow wondering "what the hell was that" then take off.
I would not worry about any hiss. I forget the name, but there is a paradox that relates to snipers and the quarry typically cannot hear the noise coming at them. A noisy bow they will hear and react to, but the hiss they don't seem to.
Dave
Whats flight mate adapters??
I'll be useing 160gr snuffers w/43gr long inserts should be right around 200gr on front of some aluminums arrows for turkey and deer out of my Black Widows.
145 gr snuffer on 31" cedar shaft. 57# Dwyer LB, Doe walked about 20 yards and tipped over. I thought I had missed, it had passed so clean and bounced off the frozen ground behind her. :eek: I use the glass plate method and fine grit sand paper to sharpen mine.
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BIG (160g) Snuffers are AWESOME! The lighter models are just ground down 160s. Roger says use the big ones, so that is what I do!
Ryan did this tutorial on how they sharpen the Snuffers and it is a quick, accurate, and easy way to get a shaving sharp, hollow gound edge.
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=031172
You mean there is other broad heads???? 160 grn Magnus Snuffers is my go to BH....
Been using the 160's since 1976 and no problems and no complaints from the critters! Especially great on Bears!
I've always used 125 grain screw on snuffers on my 2216's and have always had excellent results. Over 90% have been complete pass throughs. However this year I'm going with the 160 grain glue ons with a 43 grain aluminum adapter. I wanted to up my FOC from what It was. My arrows now weigh In at 614 grains compared to 561 grains previously. I shot this set up the other day to see how they would fly and they flew perfect!! Penetration In the target was better then my older and smaller set up was. I'm excited as heck to see what these big Snuffers do for damage on bear and whitetails this fall.
Flightmate was the brand name for adapters that glue into the shaft and are tapered to glue points on to - no screw in to come loose. Kustom King and 3 rivers both carry them.
I shot 160 Snuffers for years on wood and never had a bit of problem with them. For some reason, when I went to carbons a little over a year ago, I decided I would maximize my penetration and started shooting single bevel's. While I don't agree with most of the negative comments about single bevels, I am going to shoot Snuffers again this year on the carbons to remind myself what I've been missing. Just ordered another pack of 160's from Kustom King today.
Those big holes are impressive, its got me thinking :confused: Molson i guess ur referring blood trails
I shot the 145`s a several years ago and started back this year with them.I`m still trying to remember why I stopped using them.
Penetration with a 49 lb longbow is good..
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And the blood trails are floods...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Hattrick:
Those big holes are impressive, its got me thinking :confused: Molson i guess ur referring blood trails
Just all around. Personally, I've never had a bad result with a Snuffer 160 or from a Grizzly 190. The most devastating hits I've had have come from both of these heads. They are all you need to hunt anything in the world.
If I set my own opinion aside, the Woodsman is probably the best designed deer head out there as far as all-around performance from any legal set up goes. If I include my personal opinion, I'd tell you not to spend a dime on Woodsmans until the manufacturer quits printing bs claims of "precision ground" and "sharp" on the package and starts taking just the littlest bit of pride in their product.
I love the 160 grain Snuffers. I mount them on 100 grain adapters it 140 grain insert in a carbon arrow for 400 grains of point out of a 63#@29" Crooked Stic longbow.
Where's Curt? ;)
I love the big Snuffers, but depending on my setup need to settle for the smaller one's from time to time... All will do the trick as long as I do mine...
Great heads!
Bows I shoot 55# - 70# @ 29" Longbows for the most part (Shawnee, Cougar, or ACS-CX) or recurves (Cheyenne, or in the past DAS, Brack Quest, Silvertip, Widow, etc...)
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If I set my own opinion aside, the Woodsman is probably the best designed deer head out there as far as all-around performance from any legal set up goes. If I include my personal opinion, I'd tell you not to spend a dime on Woodsmans until the manufacturer quits printing bs claims of "precision ground" and "sharp" on the package and starts taking just the littlest bit of pride in their product. [/b]
Tim, I totally agree bud!
I guess most know I'm a huge fan of "BIG" Snuffers. I only shoot the 160's, and have seen the 145's which also look almost identical. Remember though, all snuffers are created equal, but don't end up that way. The light weight snuffers are 160's ground down to take off weight. In doing that there is a huge trade-off in durability and integrity of the head!
The 125-100 gr version is nowhere near the bh that the 160 is, not even close. They're basically just a very thin skeleton of the 160. I'd probably only use them for small game...but that's just my opinion....
When I want to use anything narrower or lighter, I go with the WW. But like Tim said, some of those are nowhere near what the originals were....
As far as WWs go I have just under 12 of the first production year and will not buy any new ones. I hear too many bad comments on the latest production runs.
As far as 3 blade heads go I think I may have to give 300 Xtremes a try.
i shoot snuffers and have taken bull elk with 150 gr..650 grains total and they do one helluva job on them,the key is to make sure they are razor sharp
Could someone spare a 145 Snuffer. I would love to try one. I have MANY heads that I could swap you for it. Thanks. BILL
Bullfrog, send me our addy. I have a 145 and a 160 grain you can have. Both have some mojo attached. :bigsmyl:
Arwin, I sent you an email. THANKS. BILL
I shoot the 160's more than anything else. BIG HOLES! As for penetration, Dan Quillian used the 160 on my Superceder shafts to kill the record-class grizzly that we used in our advertising. Dan got complete penetration to the hide on the opposite side, quartering away at 15 yards. I've never worried about penetration since seeing that! The hair, hide, and fat alone were several inches thick. His bow was a Bamboo Longhunter longbow that pulled around 70#, and the finished arrows weighed around 650 grains.
I've shot only deer with mine, and haven't had a loss with them, even on a couple of bad hits. BIG HOLES!