for any of you guys that have some say in what manufactures make, how bout suggesting some super heavy brass inserts for carbon shafts. 100gr is great but I would love to use a 150 or even 200 grain brass insert with a 145 or 125 field point/broadhead. The longer brass insert will give the arrow some internal footing and keep me from having one of those long fieldpoints on my arrows. I have found that the longer field points are more prone to bending when the 3d targets jump or duck my string and I smack something not so forgiving behind it. Just a thought but I know that I would be interested. Just not sure why they had to stop at 100 grains. Thoughts anyone????
Dan
I'm with ya Dan. 125 heads, be it field tip or broadhead, are super easy to find whereas something heavier is 'special'.....you're not gonna get em at Walmart! I've been thinking of making some for myself if I couldn't find any already on the market...just haven't made the time yet.
We'll see what this thread turns up....
Don
First of all, because not enough people were asking.... keep in mind, we also didn't have BH's over 150 back 3-4 years ago.....
Now, for a solution, you can get screw in heads up to 250, but you can also tap the back of a brass insert and utilize the screw in PDP weights. Also look at Lancaster Archery for point weight options (accessories to up weight, not heavier points). Keep in mind, all you are doing is moving the weak point. This has been discussed many times.
You can use 160 gr field points and steel adapters to make your own points. Same for broasdheads. Lots of possibilities to "make weight".
Best of luck!
i like that idea as well, it would also tighten up spine a little
My buddy and i are going to try some stuff on his lathe and make it out of stainless steel! i'll post some pics when we start the project.
You can also glue in a .243 bullett...80 or 100gr in behind the brass insert when installing same...just make sure you scuff the bullett up before gluing it in.
What size arrow will the .243 bullet fit into ??
If you have a saw of some sort you could cut different inserts to different lengths and glue accordingly. Granted I have an electric reloading scale that can weigh cut inserts but find a friend that does. I'll also post some lengths to cut them to and weight they come out as.
I have brass HIT inserts that could be cut and with a file the rough edges can be filed down and glued the same way the others are, in line. I also was on the Easton website and they are now offering adjustable weight brass adaptors. They look like you can snap them off at different weights.
Josh
use 2 brass inserts or get some 300gr points from
git r done, they are tuff.
ASL
Well, Tuir...that is just so simple it's brilliant!
They make 50 and 100 gr. brass inserts...threaded all the way through with 8-32 thread... lots of all-thread in 8-32...so just epoxy or locktite a 100 + 50 = 150, or 2, 100's for 200...geeze...keeps going from there.but it will move the FOC back a ways.
Then there is that interesting thread that OL and Doc Ed had started about forming a tapered internal footing to fit behind the brass insert, that allows the arrow to bend and doesn't "MOVE" the weak point...it eliminates it!
Sweet choices all around!
I thought about threading two inserts or more but then you just run into the increased cost. Those 100gr brass inserts aren't cheap and when you are using two to three doz for a doz arrows, well it would just be so much nicer to have a heavier one that does it all.
dan
Limbow...the .243 bullet will fit in most regular carbons, not the slim line ones...most regular carbons are .244/.246
Thanks! I will give it a whirl.
Dan,
Gold Tip grapht shafts have brass weights and you just add as much as you want to tune your arrow.
Fred
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Those aren't brass weights. They do have a tunable system but those are attached to a aluminum insert. I would feel better about having a solid 4 inch long piece of brass. would make for an internal footing and still give a good foc
Dan
Dan...I just went downstairs to the shop and sawed the collar off a 100gr brass insert with my arrow saw...the remaining portion weighs exactly 80gr
Gold Tips are .246, CX Heritage are .244.
Dan, Yes you are right about the aluminum insert; however I gorrila glue in six 50's a 20 and a 10 grain and shoot a 165 gr. Zwickey and i haven't had any come out as of yt and I have a good FOC. I haven't had the same luck with a brass isert with brass weight behind it; they won't stay glued in or epoxied. I will look around and see if I can locate some longer and heavier inserts then let you know how they work out. The weights I use are brass and do screw into the insert as you stated.
Fred
I got by with a section of brass all-thread, inserted first, followed by two .22 LR bullets, followed by the alum. insert. Total weight of arrow is 650 grains with 20% FOC. Seems to work great!
cut the collar off one and fill it up with molten lead. you want something really dense so you get weight without length. if one had a lathe you could drill out the insert to make a 'jacket' for the lead.
anyone got some depleated uranium? that's nice and dense. :bigsmyl:
I've been drilling & tapping the end of the brass inserts, just adding the weights as needed. It's easy 1/8" bit and #8 tap.
When you drill and tap the brass inserts, do you use the gold tip weights?
Yes DanDaMan I shoot GT's.
Dan,
you can also use PDP weight screws once the back end is tapped. I believe both 3 Rivers and Lancaster sell these.
dan actualy goldtip started the wieight system with brass and yes they are usualy threded into a alum insert but they fit just the same in a brass one you could easaly make a 3 inch brass footing, ive done it.
I would like to see brass inserts heavier and the right diameter. I can't find any that are .246 (Kinetic IIs and gold tips) they all seem to be one size fits all. So I've been using either steel all thread or a field point screwed into the insert like the little weights. Some inserts have to be tapped out though. 20 or 21/64 fit right in a 22 or 23/64 aluminum arrow. On the gold tips 1/4 all thread will usually fit right in and if it doesn't you can just rasp it slightly and it will fit. I glue them in with hot glue and I could glue the point and insert in with epoxy for big game if needed.
I converted all my stump arrows first just to get a feel for it. Last week I was out hunting and stumping and I shot a 2315 into solid granite downhill and it just bent a tiny bit, it completely rounded off the field point (65# pronghorn). I'm sure that these arrows are holding up better. And they shoot fantastic.
How about a brass screw that threads into the back of the insert with brass washers stacked on the screw until the right weight is achieved?
My other method is working, but I have fears of the weights breaking free of the epoxy and riding up the shaft in flight and changing the arrow's trajectory.
" I can't find any that are .246 (Kinetic IIs and gold tips) they all seem to be one size fits all."
How about wrapping the brass insert with a small piece of foil, but leaving enough on the ends for the epoxy to seat it to the shaft? Wobble would be a concern, but maybe it could be centered fairly easily. I'd want something I could tap the back for adding weights and the brass inserts would be good for this.
Everyone knows I a big fan of heavy heads. 1 or 2 100 Brass inserts will do plenty and the cost is worth it. 200gr. in inserts is fine but depending on the BH, It may not hold up to the extra pressure (Aluminum Inserts) and just fold up (Vented Blades). I have seen it happen.You wouldn't shot hollow points at a tank, I want armor piercing.
Well Mr. Morrison, I do agree with ya but with as many arrows as I go through shooting 3d, cost does become an issue. I would love to shoot 400gr up front with your broadhead but I cant find an arrow I can do that with without being way heavier than I want. I want an arrow weighing 630 to 675 with as much weight forward as I can get. Having some arrows that I can use the weight with inserts instead of 300gr field points would be great. Use those for 3d and use smaller inserts with heavy BH for hunting. But that is part of archery. I dont think I have ever had an arrow that was "perfect". Always want either more weight, more weight up front, less weight, well ya get the drift.
Dan
No way Str8arrow, if it don't fit right I won't use it. That arrow I shot into granite had a aluminum insert and there was no damage. But it was in there strait. I also shot a GT 340 into a 7/8s steel all thread (part of the target)at 45 yards and it didn't bust the arrow (heavy EFOC). It ruined the field point though, usually it destroys the arrow too. Didn't hurt the aluminum insert either.
I do find that with my target arrows having the weight spread out over the last 3" of arrow shoots better than all the weight in the tip.
I hope I'm not over drawing my Dakota Bob.