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Title: Grains of arrow / feet per second
Post by: Morning Star on February 19, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
Just an idle curiosity.


Is there a generally accepted grain weight to feet per second correlation?

Example:

If I increased my arrow weight 25 grains, how many fps would I loose?  Or say, if I removed 25 grains how many fps would I gain?

Lets figure a bow around 50lbs @ 28", I realize a bows weight and draw length gives variables.
Title: Re: Grains of arrow / feet per second
Post by: R H Clark on February 19, 2009, 09:15:00 PM
I don't think you could set a standard in fps.A lot would depend on how efficient the bow is.I don't think you could tell much difference with 25 grns on most bows.I would assume the margin of error on draw length and release would be nearly as great as the 25 grn difference.
Title: Re: Grains of arrow / feet per second
Post by: pdk25 on February 19, 2009, 09:41:00 PM
Agree with R H Clark.  Don't think 25 grains makes a big enough difference to worry about.  I also am pretty sure that you won't get a set change in fps for a given change in weight.  KE equals 1/2 mass times the velocity squared.  You can see it isn't a linear arrangement.  Increasing in weight should increase the efficiency of energy transfer, but i don't think you will get a good "thumbrule" to use.  I'm sure some of the physics experts will be along shortly.
Title: Re: Grains of arrow / feet per second
Post by: PV on February 19, 2009, 10:29:00 PM
When I was playing with wheels 5 grains equaled 1 fps.Don't know if this correlates to trad bows.
Title: Re: Grains of arrow / feet per second
Post by: CJC on February 20, 2009, 07:27:00 AM
imho 25 grains will make a fairly big difference in fps. for my setup its about 6 fps.that being said i am primarily a target shooter and every bit of speed is important to me.
Title: Re: Grains of arrow / feet per second
Post by: snag on February 20, 2009, 09:37:00 AM
Just curious CJC. Why is "every bit of speed" important to a target shooter? I would think that if you know your bow are constant with your form and know the tradgetory of your arrow it wouldn't matter what speed the arrow is. It has to cover the same distance no matter if it is fast or a little slower...just wondering.
Title: Re: Grains of arrow / feet per second
Post by: zwickeyman on February 20, 2009, 09:50:00 AM
Snag,

 It's just a matter of less margin for error because of flatter trajectory. With no concern of K.E. on a target as long as you are tuned and have a correct F.O.C. , the faster the better. I shoot 7.5gpp for target and 10gpp to 11gpp for hunting. I agree with PV and CJC, about 1 fps per 5 or 6 gr.
Zwickeyman
Title: Re: Grains of arrow / feet per second
Post by: Larry247 on February 20, 2009, 10:16:00 AM
25grns wouldn't make that much differance.

I could mix them in with some guys set ups and they'd never know the differance.
Title: Re: Grains of arrow / feet per second
Post by: James Wrenn on February 20, 2009, 11:49:00 AM
Adding 25gns to a 300gn arrow is a lot different than adding 25grs to a 600gn or heavier arrow.With the heavy arrow it might not be noticed if in the middle of the spine range at all.With the 300gn you might would need to retune.It is all about percentages so there is no one answer that fits.
Title: Re: Grains of arrow / feet per second
Post by: Michl on February 20, 2009, 12:49:00 PM
My 50#/27" widow speed increased 5fps when I changed from 450 to 425.
Title: Re: Grains of arrow / feet per second
Post by: Greg Skinner on February 20, 2009, 01:09:00 PM
James is correct.  I saw no difference in either tuning or arrow speed whatsoever going from 700 to 725 with a 54# ELB.
Title: Re: Grains of arrow / feet per second
Post by: jrchambers on February 20, 2009, 03:19:00 PM
i lost 20 fps going from 600 to 820, the change in fps decelerates the more wieght you get. for my setup.