i recently picked up a new hoyt gamemaster 2 it is only 45 pounds and it shoots on average 205 fps i was very impressed by this bow wondering if any other bows were like this at lower poundages
What weight arrow? What draw length?
My 40#@27" Turkey Creek Longbow, will shoot a 340 grain arrow @ 210 fps consistantly, and will launch a 530 grain arrow @ 185 fps consistantly.
Speed isnt everything, I'd shoot that 530 grain arrow much sooner than the 340 grain.
The same bow shooting 415 grain arrows will blow through a deer shoulder like it isnt there.
The Kid
205 means little without arrow weight and draw length.
I've heard those gamemasters run a little heavier than marked, in some cases almost 5 pounds. That'll make a difference as well. Look like bulletproof bows, though.
I JUST GOT BACK FROM SHOOTING WITH THE TAGET BOYS GETTING READY FOR VEGAS.HAD TO SHOW THEM MY GAMEMASTER 2 @ # 50.IT'S GOOD TO BREAK THEIR CONCSENTATION WITH THE RECURVE. I AM SHOOTING 195 WITH A 550 GRAIN ARROW.HAVE HAD PROBLEMS GETTING IT TO SHOOT HEAVEY ARROW WELL, STILL PLAYING WITH SPINE AND TUNING.IF YOU HAVE ANY SET UP SUGGESTION GOODOLBOY94 THEY ARE MUCH NEEDED. WEIGHT TUBES SUCKED!MY BOW WAS 50 AS MARKED AND DIDN'T STACK AS MUCH AS I WANTED, 29" DRAW 30 INCH ARROW. 650 GRAIN ARROW WAS ABOUT 158.
Mine is marked #50, but pulls #54 on the scale.
I had one marked 50# that Pulled 53# I traded and got 45#'s But They NEVER shot my 530 Gr more tha 170ish.. FPS
I wish my Hoyt Dorado would shoot 205 fps!
I am bettin that a 55 pounder will shoot the same speed provided that you have an arrow grain per pound the same as the 45 pounder,
I compared some Gamemasters with other bows(cronographed).
The only advantage of the GM is the ability to shoot very light arrows(5,5gpi).
With "heavy" arrows(8gpi an heavier)the Gamemaster 1+2 is rather in the slower corner.
Trad bows as with compounds, the only thing speed kills is accuracy, have a trad bow like some of the Black Swans or such that smoke a 750-900 grain arrow that is forgiving and packs a punch thats impressive.
Come on Longbowkid.13+gpi @ 185fps and 210fps w/ 8+gpi @ 27'' draw?
goodolboy94, don't get wrapped up in numbers one way or the other. A better marker of a good bow is that it shoots consistently where you want it to shoot. The feet-per-second followers will beat you like a rented mule if they think your bow may be faster than they think it is so you will be handled accordingly. Besides that, cronographs cause more heartaches than good and most need calibrated to begin with.
The Hoyts are good bows and deadly accurate. If you are shooting it well, and it's fast enough for you, that should be good enough. I get a little weary of numbers anyway since they really don't mean much nowadays; most bows will shoot so close to each other that the difference is null.
I know lots of guys with fast bows who couldn't hit a bull in the rearend with a handful of gravel. Shootability, accuracy and comfort (part of shootability) in a bow that fits you like you were born with it. If that bow happens to be the fastest around, then that's just a bonus...but speed is only a part of overall shootability. That's how you measure a good bow...no numbers are needed.
You need to calibrate your chrony Longbowkid!
Excellent advice George!
Hey, You guys lay off LBK! Considering the bow could store no more then 38ft/lbs, and only put no more then 30 of that into the arrow, and he's getting 40 in the 530gr arrow...What's the big deal? :)
Chrono's are like rulers..All of them are accurate, it's the folks using them that's the problem.....O.L.
O.L., with just one caveat....rulers usually don't need calibrated regularly. :saywhat: ;) :bigsmyl:
QuoteOriginally posted by George D. Stout:
I know lots of guys with fast bows who couldn't hit a bull in the rearend with a handful of gravel.
Now that's the quote of the day right there!
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George, They need no calibration, they're digital.
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Originally posted by George D. Stout:
I know lots of guys with fast bows who couldn't hit a bull in the rearend with a handful of gravel.
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Same guys can't shoot a slow one either. Performance and accuracy are not related... :) ...O.L.
LOL. Those speeds are at a 29" draw fellas, sorry. So the bow is really more around 45-46#.
Both shots are on video if you doubt me, I'd love to post. :)
LBK, Videos don't know how to measure draw length, bow weight, arrow weight, or have proper lighting for the chrono. 1 shot never counts, ten shots throwing out the high/low and any obvious hickups then avergags do! Hickups are easy to spot when a bows shoots 30% higher then physically possible. Those unfamiliar with bows wouldn't recognize that however! :) ...O.L.
may be i need to check my chorno too. i use to differnt ones.i'm still new, have not shoot recurves and long bows sents mid 80 s, but if any one has set up suggestions i am all ears.i m not worried about speed,just killing and accurcy.i do use a fliper and burger in hoping to still shoot feild ranges.
I do not know if anyone has posted this so here goes. The effiency of the design is what matters the #age does not. Take a bow that shoots 190 fps. at 28"s with an arrow weighing 9gpp. and draws 70#s(630 grain arrow), a bow of the same design will shoot an arrow weighing 9gpp. of draw weight at that same 190fps even if the bow is only 40#s at 28"s(360 grain arrow). See what I mean. I can say my RER 54# bow shoots 240 fps. but that arrow may only weigh 4gpp. of draw weight. Shawn
I also would like to say it is goodolboy we should be needleing 205fps. with a GM even at 8gpp. and 30"s, I doubt that very much!! By the way my RER curve will shoot over 200fps. at 9gpp. with a 30" draw. That there is no mistaken. I have done the tests, my ACS would do that and a bit more as well and so will a Centaur double carbon. Shawn
Yep speed aint everything but it sure is fun tryin to figure out how to get more of it. :bigsmyl:
Im am by no means a speed demon even when i shot compounds i have always been more worried about silence and accuracy i was more blown away that a 45 pound bow was that much faster than my 64 pound long bow and i have a 29 inch draw and i must also state that this bow is my 3D and target bow and i know at 29 its more than 45# but if it is 5# heavier than marked that would but me at 53# give or take
I greatly apologize for my inferior knowledge! :rolleyes:
I should not have even posted, as its physically impossible it ever happened, therefore I don't know what I am talking about, nor am I familiar with my bow! :campfire:
The Kid
Sounds like this is turning into a "my bow is better than your bow" thread. :smileystooges:
You can tell hunting season is over.....
"SPEED" = I'll only slow down "ANY" bow .... with my "HEAVY" arrow ... And my Bows will appreciate "ME" more ... Good Luck with her ...
My compound is one of the fastest ( and accurate) on the market- my stickbows are slow but both will kill game when the arrow is directed to the kill zone. Guys seem to think sticks are the only ones capable of shooting a heavier arrow. I take nothing away from compounds but in my opinion are no where near as fun to shoot and developing the proper skills with a stick is more satisfying at least to me. At my draw if I were going after big dangerous game I would most certainly shoot the bow that gives me the greatest performance ( a heavy arrow shot faster and accurately) and that would be the compound.100fps faster is alot more penetration.
Without some speed you won't have the performance with those heavy arrows some like.No negatives at all to having a fast bow.The only negatives come when someone does not use them correctly and blames the bow or the speed of the bow for there own mistakes. :D
btw.Cedar Swampman you are dead on in your post.
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Sounds like this is turning into a "my bow is better than your bow" thread.
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Yea but mine is the best!!! :bigsmyl:
QuoteOriginally posted by O.L. Adcock:
George, They need no calibration, they're digital.
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Originally posted by George D. Stout:
I know lots of guys with fast bows who couldn't hit a bull in the rearend with a handful of gravel.
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Same guys can't shoot a slow one either. Performance and accuracy are not related... :) ...O.L.
Please explain. I am an environmental scientist and work in a lab with lots of digital equipment and they all need periodic calibration.
mwmwmb, Some do some don't. Even if they don't they still get verified. I worked in the aviation world with complex electronic systems in engineering capacities so I've been around my share of test equipment also. Here's what I know, I can test a bow by hand on my $100 dollar chrony, send it to a friend 100 miles away with a different brand chrono, he'll get within 1-2 fps (1%) of what I get with his $200 chrono off a machine..We can then hand the same bow to Norb Mulaney and he'll get within 1-2 fps of what we got with his 2 high dollar chrono's in line with each other. That pretty darned consistant.
All these numbers are well and good and for the average Joe, it's fun to fling a few arrows. But here is what happens...Someone as well intentioned as they may be comes up with numbers that are wrong for whatever reason, and spread them out there. Another fellow, maybe a new guy, assumes them to be gospel, checks his bow and doesn't get anywhere close. He could have the best bow in the world but now he questions it..That's not good. Us average folks can do accurate testing but first we have to know whats within the realm of reality so we can recognize when we did something wrong..Then we have to know how to measure things as simple as draw length and hold to that while shooting in a consistant manner for the numbers to mean anything to any body.
Easy way to tell if someone has done things within the realm of possibility...A really good 50# will put no more then 44-45ft/lbs into an arrow at 30" from a trad bow...We're talking the very very best bows off a machine...See a bow doing that, the red flag needs to start inching up the pole, if it does that at a shorter draw length with fingers, the flag needs to be waved high and loud! :)
The other is when someone says they are getting XX ft/lbs at xxgr/lb and xxft/lbs at a heavier gr/lb, and it's lower then the first. As arrow weight goes up, ft/lbs goes up..Period...If it doesn't, mistakes were made, period...
I'd rather folks learn how bows work and how to test accurately. It makes the good ones shine and keeps the poor ones from getting inflated false press from those that either have an agenda or just don't know any better....O.L.
My dog's bigger cause he eats Purina.
O.L....my sly old friend, I'm recalling a post by you (which I concurred with) that you have trouble being accurate with over 170 fps..and your instinctive shooting. I have a cap too for best accuracy....my slow mind perhaps.
At any rate, there will always be those points of diminishing returns which are as personal as they are measurable.
"O.L....my sly old friend, I'm recalling a post by you (which I concurred with) that you have trouble being accurate with over 170 fps..and your instinctive shooting. I have a cap too for best accuracy....my slow mind perhaps.
At any rate, there will always be those points of diminishing returns which are as personal as they are measurable"
Yep George I agree 100%...And that has nothing to do with the bow and has everything to do with the arrow weight you/we are shooting. I'd still rather get that 170 with a 600 grain arrow instead of a 500, or have to shoot 10 more pounds....And the bow DOES do that! :) ....O.L.
My bows shoot an arrow much faster than I can run up and stick the arrow into the deer by hand.
Plum Creek 68", listed as 52 lbs @ 28" but haven't actually put it on scale.
I shot ASA with it and my 450 gr. target arrows were running 205 FPS from a couple of feet.
Oh, did I mention it shoots 25 yard groups like this?
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