Trad Gang

I just noticed a add from Carbon Express. The broadhead looks pretty deadly. I wonder how it'll hold up. A fixed Magnus type blade with twin bleeders just of center like a F-15 TomCats tails. I hope they have some weight to them.

yeah,they look cool,but are they anymore deadly than any other good BH on the market. looks kinda gimmicky to me

wapitimike1 - the F-15 is actually and Air Force aircraft and is the F-15 Eagle (just to clarify).  The broadhead looks awesome, but I cannot find it on their website anywhere.  I would have two questions for them:

1. How well do the bleeders stay in?
2. How much do they intend to charge?

It does look like it could cause some major bleeding.

Where you guys finding a pic of this head?

i saw them in bowhunter and petersons bowhunting mags. probably in all the compound mags. wonder if they will offer a glue-on

If they fly straight and hold together on impact, they look like they'd provide silly blood trails.

anyone have another pick, dont want to register on that site to see it.

Mojo...when I click on the link I see the thread but no pic

Here ya go...looks like a gimmick to me.
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a170/aaaabbbbcccc/ce_bhd.jpg)

It may be a gimmick, but it might open up a wound like a garden hose too. I'll reserve thoughts until I could test one.
However, it does seem like they'd "knuckle ball" in flight.

I have several compound buddies that use those Rage heads. I thought those were a gimmick at first too. But, if shooting a compound, they create blood trails like you'll rarely see. If you know anyone shooting a compound, those Rage 2 blades is what they should be shooting.
I only mention this because I thought they wouldn't work well in live hunting situations. I was wrong.

It looks like they're only offered in 100gr. Obviously marketed for compound guys. But with a weight insert, I sure wouldn't be afraid to test one for fun. Really all they are is a fixed 2 blade with an extra set of bleeders. Fred Bear used bleeders, so bleeders aren't non-trad. IMHO.

I found this text, but can find no video of the test...
 http://mikeshepherd.net/ftp/Bart/Section10_F15.pdf  

Introducing the F-15 broadhead by Carbon Express -- the first and only broadhead with dual, side-by-side cutting blades. The two razor-sharp blades give you 6 cutting edges and create a 250% greater wound opening than single blade broadheads. This means significantly greater blood loss, a better blood trail and ultimately, a faster kill.
For this demonstration, we're using a basketball that has been filled with water. Our first shot through the basketball is with an arrow equipped with the Rage broadhead. Notice how the water simply trickles out of the exit hole, because the Rage broadhead blades only cut slices through the "skin" of the basketball.
For the next shot, we'll use the SAME basketball, turned to the side, to compare our F-15 broadhead wound cutting channel with that of the previous Rage shot. (* GFX: note the Rage exit with arrow, text).
While the Rage wound cutting channel is still only trickling out, notice how the F-15, with its dual side-by-side cutting blades, creates a complete cutting channel through the basketball – which is why there is a large stream of water pouring out.
Take a look at this close-up of the F-15's exit hole. Notice the clear flaps created by the dual side-by-side cutting blades.
In this split screen, you can clearly see the difference in water coming out between the Rage broadhead on the top of your screen, and the F-15
broadhead on the bottom. As you can see, there would be a much greater blood loss with the F-15 dual blade design.

hey why not another blade.  they may not be made to super strenght specs but i belive they would leave a channel. looks like a good head for midsised game black bears and caribou.

The Catclaw was a six-blade that was introduced in the 1960's by Jerry Gentilalli(sp)..who also introduced the Catquiver.  Although it had some success, the six blades did cause some issues as does anything that tries to cram a lot of mass...even with sharpened blades, into living creatures.  We seem to be of the opinion that the more the merrier....if two blades cut well, then four or six will do better.  At some point, the point of dimishing returns rears its head.

Really, the only thing that means anything, is how they work on animals....not some hyped up ad jibberish or photographic reproduction.  They may work great...they may not, and they probably are a lot more expensive than good heads already on the market.

Cutting diameter anyone? Looks awfully wide.

I don't even like the looks of it!

read on another site they,re upwards of 50$ for a 3 pack.

All it needs now is an afterburner and a pilot and co pilot    Not my cup of tea....

Looks neet. I dont think ill try it though, my luck it will plain off into the atmosphere just like an F 15  :eek:

Looks like a real traditional head.  :rolleyes:

QuoteOriginally posted by Orion:
Looks like a real traditional head.   :rolleyes:  

so what exactly makes a head look traditional?  chipped outta rock and wrapped in sinew?  a totally modern head that painted green to make it look old?   :rolleyes:
looks like an awesome head!  thanks for posting.

Looks like yet another gimmick...

Sharpen that thing with a file!!!!   BILL

Does it come in single bevel?
Can't possibly work if not.  :)  

Steve

trying to re-invent the wheel again......  

They obviously didn't know about the Cobra heads. They were 6 bladed, and very similar in shape   from back in the 50's.

or the Jewell Leadford 6 blade, which is so close in design it looks like they copied it... circa 1975, or the Hamilton 6 blade  rear tails were more like the f-18 (?)  V shaped, circa 1974, or the Bee Stinger 6 blade,  again, with V shaped rear flaps, circa 1987.

First ?   I don't think so.  Only ?  well... yeah, these others died out.  Hmm  I wonder why ?

These may work.  Anybody out there hunting basketballs ?
ChuckC

Looks like something out of a Sci Fi movie. I don't know but the Woodsman, Zwickey, Magnus heads that I use and have used all work good enough that I don't think I need to try a different one, even if it does look like a kitchen untensil.

Aside from the ridiculous price tag, I guess I don't see the problem with these heads.

They started out with a solid cut-on-contact design, and then took the advantage of a bleeder blade (i.e. more cutting surface) and kicked it up a notch. Honestly, I can't see why they wouldn't penetrate just as well as a lot of the large multi-blade heads some trad shooters use every year with tremendous success.

Maybe it's not a question of effectiveness as much as it is their "high tech"appearance?

QuoteOriginally posted by Jason R. Wesbrock:
Aside from the ridiculous price tag, I guess I don't see the problem with these heads.

They started out with a solid cut-on-contact design, and then took the advantage of a bleeder blade (i.e. more cutting surface) and kicked it up a notch. Honestly, I can't see why they wouldn't penetrate just as well as a lot of the large multi-blade heads some trad shooters use every year with tremendous success.

Maybe it's not a question of effectiveness as much as it is their "high tech"appearance?

exactly.  i bet if they were painted olive drab and were sold by zwicky, people would be stampeding them.

Hard to say, how deep will it sink? I like to use a chunk of hide over 3/8ths ply on a 3d target. It's a very crude simulation of a deer with a rib hit. I'll have to see if I can get some and road test them.

This isnt' good. Just going to add more fuel to the fire. Instead of debating if a 2,3, or 4 blade is best we'll have to add 6 blade to the debate. (Personally I'm still a 2 blade man myself)

Be interesting to see how they fly and penetrate with that much surface area/drag. I wonder if straight fletch would be the best for such a design. If some one field tests them, please post pics.

Isn't the F 15 one of those planes that can't fly with out the aid of a computer system?

How in the world would this be balanced. I bet it spins awful.

What George D. Stout said! I remember the old six blade Wasp, you needed lots of pounds for penetration, too many blades!

:biglaugh:    :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:  

The farther you move bleeder blades away from dead center of the head, the more drag they will cause. Both in flight and penetration.

This looks like something concieved in Hollywood and marketed at flea-market knife stands.

One of the guys at the factory sent us some of the F-15 heads to shoot out of our traditional bows. This head is very well made and fly's well out of a variety of different set-ups. We shot it yesterday using a Beman MFX 500, to which I added a 100 gr. screw in wt. to get the spine correct, and arrow flight was excellent out to 50 yds. and it cut a huge hole thru a sheet of cardboard at 20 yds...Will do a little more testing when it warms back up....If you can get past the "look" of this head and are a multi-blade broadhead shooter, I personally think it would be ok.....I like and hunt with multi blades and ,so far my only concern or complaint is that it is only 100 grains. Don

Hard to imagine it would work better than the thirty to forty year old Bears.  Maybe.

Here's pics of the heads refered in the above posts;

the top two are the Cobras, the bottom one is the Bee Stinger.
  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/raghorn/Ron/BeeStinger-cobras001.jpg)

3 or 4 fletch ailerons??

It can still land with one wing ripped-off!

Broadheads are cool!

I like most of the ones I`ve seen. I don`t like broadheads with moving parts.

If I had these on my arrows, I`m afraid before I got to shoot something with them, I would have the extra blades removed, and use them as a two blade.

They still look cool!

Not quite sure how cutting the same vein twice is going to produce any more blood lose. On the other hand two parallel blades provides plenty of opportunity to clog with "Stuff"  I think I'll stay with a good 3 or 4 blade.
Maybe they are trying to give a critter a vasectomy?

can anyone tell me where to find those carbon express f15 broadheads, www. bowhunterssuperstore.com has them but only in 100 grain for 43.50 a 3 pack, i need something a lil heavier

when someone finds them in 125's please let me know

looks deadly to me! but i wonder about the flight.....   :eek:      :scared:
kind of looks like something batman would throw at someone!  :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:

hoghunter as of right now from what i can find they are only made in 100 grain