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Title: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: jonsimoneau on January 26, 2009, 08:09:00 AM
I decided to try the two wing footings first.  It's a piece of purple heart footed to a sitka spruce shaft.  What do you guys think?


Glued up
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n132/jonsimoneau/arrowfooting.jpg)[/IMG]

Finished product
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n132/jonsimoneau/arrowfooting2.jpg)[/IMG]
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: ductape on January 26, 2009, 08:13:00 AM
Looks good to me!
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: tradtusker on January 26, 2009, 08:43:00 AM
looks nice good job
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Post by: Chris Surtees on January 26, 2009, 09:05:00 AM
Very nice...what tool did you use to round the footing?
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: jonsimoneau on January 26, 2009, 09:18:00 AM
Chris, I did everything by hand.  Just rounded the footing by using a small wood plane or a thumb plane.  Just kept taking the corners off.  Also I used a wood rasp now and then.  Once I got it close it was down to sandpaper.  I checked the diameter with a caliper as I went.
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: Tique on January 26, 2009, 09:33:00 AM
Nice job.. did you cut the taper on the spruce with a plane too?
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: jonsimoneau on January 26, 2009, 09:36:00 AM
Tique, yep.  Sure did.  Cutting the taper on the arrow shaft was the easy part. It really only takes a few minutes.  The purple heart is much harder to work with, because it is so dense.  Actually, though, the whole process was a lot easier than I thought it would be.  I've got some more glued up and ready to go.
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: unclewhit on January 26, 2009, 10:14:00 AM
How many grains did you gain up front?

By the way great job.
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Post by: Bjorn on January 26, 2009, 10:17:00 AM
Really nice job. That is inspiring!!  :notworthy:
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Post by: Guru on January 26, 2009, 10:18:00 AM
Very nice Jon....your hard work was worth it bud     :notworthy:
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: jonsimoneau on January 26, 2009, 10:24:00 AM
unclewhit, I have not weighed it yet since a finished the first footing.  I'll weigh it tonight when I get home.
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: Izzy on January 26, 2009, 11:18:00 AM
Looks real good.
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: Dave Bulla on January 26, 2009, 02:09:00 PM
One down, eleven to go!!!!  :thumbsup:    :notworthy:  

Good job.
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: BMN on January 26, 2009, 02:32:00 PM
Very nice. Is the beer one of the key ingredients to doing this successfully?
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: jonsimoneau on January 26, 2009, 02:52:00 PM
BMN, yes the beer is essential to any basement tinkering project.  Just keep it cold!
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: George Tsoukalas on January 26, 2009, 05:17:00 PM
Looks good, John. I haven't forgotten about the web page I promised you on footings. I am about to post it on my site. Jawge
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: Plumber on January 26, 2009, 06:13:00 PM
I WOULD LOVE TO DO THIS. THAT LOOKS REAL NICE. ITS STUFF LIKE THIS THAT MAKES NUTS OVER TRAD ARCHERY P.S THAT IS ONE HELLOFA BUCK!!!!
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: steadman on January 26, 2009, 07:29:00 PM
Very nice! I was wondering about the weight as well.
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Post by: Hot Hap on January 26, 2009, 09:45:00 PM
Jon-That is looking very good. Hap
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: pete p on January 27, 2009, 12:38:00 AM
thats pretty impressive!
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: jonsimoneau on January 27, 2009, 01:38:00 AM
Guys, I did a few more tonight.  Here is what I have learned.  Make sure your billets are cut right.  You need it to be cut right down the center, and do not forget the width of the sawblade.  If it's a little off, you may end up with a kink at the end.  But it's no big deal.  A little heat and you can get it straight.  It's acctually not that hard to do.  Each one I do keeps getting a little better.
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: jonsimoneau on January 27, 2009, 01:44:00 AM
Tonight I took too 2x4's and sqeezed them together in a vice.  I then drilled a 3/8 inch hole through it right where the two pieces of wood meet.  Line it with sandpaper and you have a great sanding jig.  The arrows I did tonight turned out even better.  Straighter and plus the purple heart wood looks really good when you get it polished down good with really fine grit sandpaper.
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Post by: Kevin Bahr on January 27, 2009, 01:51:00 AM
The arrow looks great, Jon.  Course that beer ain't looking too bad right now either...
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: jonsimoneau on January 27, 2009, 09:31:00 AM
Kevin, after a couple of beers the arrows look even better!
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: DRR324 on January 27, 2009, 03:20:00 PM
Jon,
You and I'd hit it off real well, any project at my house starts and ends with a busch light...I usually leave a trail of dead soldiers in my wake, but I almost always finish the project...
great looking shafts btw.
Any word yet from Gene or Barry on the adoption process we discussed this fall???? As you can see from my avatar- my Michigan bucks are a tad on the small size, but they are harder to hit....
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: buckster on January 27, 2009, 03:47:00 PM
Very nice job indeed.  We just need to upgrade your beer choices John. ; )
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: Aram on January 27, 2009, 04:59:00 PM
The straightening can also be done while the glue is wet. The thinner side of the split wants to bent more but you can clamp, then sight down the shaft, align the footing with the arrow, and tighten the clamps a bit more so that the new alignment holds till the glue dries.
Looking great!    :thumbsup:      :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: Stick_N_String on January 27, 2009, 05:23:00 PM
Jon,
Nice looking arrow! that's something I eventually want to try as well.
Most projects around my house start and end with a little/lot of Wild Turkey.  
Daren
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: unclewhit on January 28, 2009, 11:48:00 AM
Good morning gang.
I'm bringing this thread back up top cuz I too used this method to foot a broken shaft. Sorry no pics yet, wife's on vacation and she's got the camera.

Well, when I saw Jon's,I said to my self "I can do that".  Being a woodworker, well, let's just say that I have an abundance of scrap wood just collecting dust in my garage that I can't seem to part with. After about 10 min. of rummaging through my stock pile, I found a piece of Kingwood that was just begging me to become an arrow footing. Well, I would say that the intire process took a whopping 4 hours, I'm sure the more I do the quicker I'll get.  Sanded down and finished with watco danish oil and 4 coats of wax, buffed and polished, my old beat up cedar arrow has a new life, as a piece of furniture.
I'm afraid to shoot it, cuz I know that silky smooth finish is going to zip right through my target bag and end up in the broken arrow bin again (my back stop is a cinder block wall).

Do you guys think that a highly polihsed shaft improves penetration a little or a lot?
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: jonsimoneau on January 28, 2009, 11:56:00 AM
Unclewhit, I bet that looks really nice. Kingwood would be great footing material. Yes, you get faster at it as you go along. Each arrow is taking me about 2 hours but that is doing everything by hand. My first dozen will be done shortly.

I think that the highly polished shaft will for sure help with penetration.  The purple heart on mine feels almost like marble! I ended up lightly sanding the rest of the shaft so that it would match.
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: unclewhit on January 28, 2009, 12:07:00 PM
Jon, doing it by hand just feels right don't it?
It was a lot of fun, I love working wood.
I think I'll do some new shafts next time.
I'll get some pics for ya when my wife gets back (God I hope she comes back).
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Post by: Pig Sticker on January 28, 2009, 12:59:00 PM
Wonderful work!
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: Pack on January 28, 2009, 01:04:00 PM
Did you use the pre-cut footings from 3Rivers?  I used them and my footings were always crooked because the cut in the middle was not straight.  When I would insert the arrow, one wing (always the thinner one) would bend out farther making the arrow crooked.  I am going to get a band saw and make my own footings.
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: Pack on January 28, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
Did you
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: jonsimoneau on January 28, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
Oops. Sorry Pack.  I responded once but it did not take for some reason.  Yes, for my first attmept I bought the purple heart billets from 3 rivers.  I too noticed what you are talking about but they will still come out straight.  All you do is favor one side when you start planing until they are even.  Then once I get them close, I put them in a little tool I made. Take 2 pices of 2x4 and clamp them toghether. Drill a hole longways where the two pices meet.  Make the hole just a shade bigger than what your shaft size should be.  Open it up, and line the hole with sandpaper.  Put the shaft in there, and clamp it back closed.  Now just sand away until it slides easily through the hole.  When you are done it will be straight.
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: CO_Redneck on January 30, 2009, 03:12:00 PM
Great idea on the jig!
I'll have to get creative with other woods for footing.
Out of curiosity, how well did the purple heart taper and how hard was it?

Also, really nice lookin shafts!
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: unclewhit on April 09, 2009, 12:35:00 PM
I dug this thread out, and brought it back up to the top, because I blame Jonsimoneau for my new addiction. I just love how much harder my footed shafts hit the target.  I used up all of my king wood (which wasn't much to begin with), I did some with cocobola, and the rest have been in bubinga. I spent a few hours yesterday just cutting blanks. Iv'e got enough to foot about 3or 4 doz.
Pics will follow when the wife gets home from work tonight.
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: unclewhit on April 09, 2009, 11:00:00 PM
(http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh334/unclewhit/DSCN4591.jpg)

This is how it begins. This piece yeilded 48 blanks.

(http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh334/unclewhit/DSCN4588.jpg)

The tablesaw made quick work of that piece of babinga, then I moved over to the band saw. My blanks are 10" long, so I splice 5".

(http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh334/unclewhit/DSCN4593.jpg)

About an hour and a half to get a pretty pile.

(http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh334/unclewhit/DSCN4581.jpg)

Gluing and clamping.

(http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh334/unclewhit/DSCN4584.jpg)

Some glued up blanks with some finished products. The ones on the left are kingwood, the middle ones are cocabola, and the one on the right are babinga.
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Post by: straitera on April 10, 2009, 02:03:00 AM
Time spent was well worth it. Very nice. What kind of glue?
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: gregg dudley on April 10, 2009, 05:57:00 AM
Unclewhit, Are you using the busch light approach like jon or have you upgraded?

Arrows look good BTW!
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Post by: Guru on April 10, 2009, 10:36:00 AM
Wow, that's cool Whit...how do you take it down to a round shaft?

The middle arrows look like Bacote to me....just an observation    :notworthy:
Title: Re: My first attempt at footing arrows. PICS
Post by: unclewhit on April 10, 2009, 10:59:00 AM
Glue is "Tightbond III"

No I have not adopted the Busch light method, thats not to say that I don't partake of the spirits after I shut all of the power tools off.

I used a small block plane to shape the shafts down pretty close, then I switch to a curved card scraper.