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I was watching Primal Dreams again today and was wondering how you make that wheeze grunt noise.

Thanks

Zack

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I think it's just Barry bending over to tie his boot.


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That's a good one robtattoo. LOL

Ya gotta be around Barry to learn it...but not too close   :eek:  Doc

QuoteOriginally posted by tippit:
Ya gotta be around Barry to learn it...but not too close    :eek:   Doc

Especially if hes been hunting bears in Canada...  :p

Actually... isn't it kinda ah Team Thing with them   :bigsmyl:

First Gene followed by Barry? Gene has the BASE thing down the best    :biglaugh:

I bought a Drury Bros. call to do it, that work good...they do it with their mouth, but they don't wear glasses    .  Just try to imitate it, that is about all you can do...there is no trick.

It's  probably best just to keep quiet in the woods.

I agree it's USUALLY best to just keep quiet in the woods.. but not in certain situations. None of the three bucks I shot this fall needed to be wheezed in so I kept quiet. But four straight big bucks I shot previous to this year, I would not have killed any of them without wheezing. All were out of range, walking away. I wheezed with my mouth and they all turned on a dime and walked right up to me. It's extremely productive in certain situations. By the way, it's a little hard to explain, but you can imitate it effectively well both by inhaling and/or exhaling air between your teeth. bw

Just like barry said....sometimes it is, but there's no way I'm gonna let a deer that's out of range get by without at least trying to call it in.

Don't be afraid.....

I've also killed some deer by "wheezing", I do it by inhaling. It's harder to explain than actually do. Just keep playin' around till you get it. It doesn't have to be perfect.....bottom line, at the right time of the season.......
IT WORKS!!

I heard a buck do it a few years back.  He had his ears layed back, walking stiff legged, and he was all puffed up, hairs standing on end.  He looked pissed!  I wouldn't a wanted to tangle with him.

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I've filmed well over a dozen different bucks make U turns to come right to me just in the past couple seasons while laying down footage for our upcoming DVD sequel to Primal Dreams. I would pass up a buck for one reason or another, let him get out 35 or more yards, then wheeze on film to bring him right back in. You won't often pull one from tending a doe but if he's fairly mature and cruising alone, more often than not he'll come looking for a fight, ears laid back. I do it by forcing air out between the cracks of my upper front teeth. You can bite the tip of your tongue to force air out or jam your lower lip behind your upper teeth and blow air between the cracks. Buy a call if you want but it works just as well with your mouth using no hands or call.

Thanks guys, this is very helpful. I need more practice though!  :)

Zack

Barry - Sent you a private message.... thanx

I have seen two bucks do it.  Man it is thrilling to watch.  One of the bucks was in Al and the other was just this past year in Ga.  The one in Alabama was probably only 2.5 years old and he didn't have the biggest set of antlers, but he had the biggest attitude by far.  The one in Ga was a pretty nice deer.

Both times the bucks were trailing does.  They were walking and occassionally trotting to keep them in sight, but it was not that hard bird-dogging run.  There was plenty of time fro them to posture, thrash brush and grunt, snort and/or wheeze.

Very cool experiences that you don't get ont he couch.

Last fall I was having some camera problems and had to ship my camera away for repairs right in the heat of the rut. One afternoon I was on a pinch on the north side of an east/west dry creek. Across the creek I watched a borderline P&Y buck walking parallel to me in the hardwoods. I thought I'd play with him so I wheezed once. He instantly angled down and crossed to my side and came up about 25 yds. from me. Then I saw him look to my left and start to stiff-leg up the hill on my side. Looking up I saw a second bigger buck just standing there watching him. They eyed each other, ears laid back, hair all puffed up, posturing. In a blink they crashed head-on and locked up. The uphill buck was slightly bigger and had an uphill advantage. He easily pushed the first buck downhill, when all of a sudden the downhill buck lost his footing and flipped over on his back. The bigger buck was relentless and kept pushing even though the first buck was flat on his back. The downhill bucks head/neck all twisted around and his legs were treading air trying to regain his feet. As they hit the edge of the creek bed they finally broke apart. The bigger buck then chased the first one up across the creek, then stood there with his mouth open gasping for air. From the spot they first clashed antlers to where they broke apart I bet was close to 75 yds. All this right in front of me... and the video camera in the shop. Sorry guys. I'm sure I started the whole thing with my wheeze. They each thought they insulted each other. After the bigger buck ran the first one back up the ridge across from me, I could have sworn I heard him yell, " AND DON'T EVER COME BACK" (I just made that last part up. :^) Another cool experience you don't get on the couch. bw

I shot a six point this past fall using the weez call. I just use my mouth and kinda like a tight O with your mouth,,curl your tounge slightly and huff softly untill go get the weez part,, and if you do do it to a deer don't do it to load,,very soft just enough for him to hear. Worked like a charm for me and the buck was already very aggressive. He just got done with a fight with another buck forty yards from me,,What a sight that was..  :saywhat:

I tried it on a buck this fall. He was trailing a doe about 40-50 yards away. He stopped in his tracks and turned 90 degrees toward me. He stood there looking for another buck for a while. When he didn't see one he went back after the doe. I think if the hot doe hadn't been so close he would have come right in. I was surprised that he even reacted at that distance. That might have been a time when a decoy would have worked. I've never tried one, but seeing that reaction makes it tempting. Have any of you ever combined the two?

I've wheezed in multiple bucks to decoys. I had one kick the snot out of my decoy on film last year. You'll see the decoy "antlers" fly off on our next DVD I'm sure. This year I wheezed in another decent buck but he wouldn't approach closer than twenty yards of the decoy. He hung up there for over ten minutes on film. When I finally looked over at the decoy I realized why. The wind had blown the head of the two dementional Montana decoy over sideways, making it look like a headless deer to the live buck! Got that on film too. Always remember, when they respond to a wheeze, they are LOOKING for a confrontation. A decoy closes the deal even sooner than when you don't have one.

This season, I saw one of the biggest 4x4 bucks I have ever seen.  I don't know if my friends believe me or not but he was OVER 160 inches and just a clean 4x4. No stickers.  I had time to look at him in the binos.  He was quartering away from me out of range and I snort wheezed.  He turned on a dime, but hung up in a patch of thick stuff and facing me. He was looking for a deer that he did not see.  He eventually turned and again started walking away, and I called again.  He did the same thing...hung up and then vanished into thin air. AWESOME.  The next day, I saw the same buck beat the tar out of a 130 class 5x5.  The 4x4 was making a noise I had never heard before, but one that I have heard of people talking about.  It could best be described as a fairly long and drawn out growl!!!  Good times.  Shortly thereafter, my fiance wanted to sit in a tree with me.  I hung another stand in the same tree.  A little 4x3 followed the same path as the monster 4x4 did the day before.  I wheezed to him and he came in on a string with his hackles up like he was really something!  I looked over and smiled at Lisa and she said "shoot him!"  I let him go.  I was surprised to hear her say that because she said she wanted to sit in a tree with me but did not want so see me shoot one.  It was a great day and my fiance was really enjoying herself.  She told me that at first she thought I was coughing and that I was going to scare the buck.  I told her I called him in on purpose and she looked at me like I was crocodile Dundee or something! I just acted like I do that all the time!  The joke is on her. Fun was had by all!

By the way guys.  The wheeze call is being marketed like crazy now.  I'm pretty sure I had heard Barry and Gene talk about it way before I had seen it on TV.  This is just another example of whitetail knowledge that they passed on to other passionate bowhunters before anyone else really knew about it.  BUT! While almost everything they say works...DO NOT fletch your arrow on both ends! I tried it this year and it hurt!   Don't try that one at home!

It's best to practice the wheeze-call in front of a mirror. If the glass is splattered with a lot of spit, then you are doing it right! For me it works best when the bucks are 60 to 70 yards away. If I try to turn one that is going away or in the thick brush that is less than 25 yards, the initial burst seems to startle them. It might be that the bucks in my area are just a little edgier than those the Wensel's are hunting. :>)
As in the case for daylight scrape activity and many other whitetail traits, they work best on undisturbed deer. The buck on the left in my Avatar was taken as the result of a wheeze.Mike

There is no question in my mind the wheeze is the deadliest call in the woods for mature bucks. Guys need to understand when it works best.. and when not to use it. As Mike said, if the buck is TOO close when he initially hears it, the close proximity of a challenge call will startle him. Your volume is relevant to the distance involved. They will hear your wheeze a lot farther than you expect them to. If he's walking in dry leaves try to time it for when he stops. Or time it when the wind dies down on a noisey day. Same goes if it's an immature buck. He might run off because he's immature. If it's a mature buck tending a doe he'll be less likely to respond/leave her. But in the right situation, with the right buck, it's absolutely deadly. BW

I took this deer using the snort/wheeze. Wouldn't have killed him without it.

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What happens if you blow it out your nose instead of your teeth Barry? Would it be called a " Snot Weeze" ?  :D  I believe "Biggie" is starting to rub off on us a little...

I know why Gene and Barry are so good at doing the wheeeeze, PRACTICE!!!  Ever walked past their bunkhouse in the middle of the night??

What ifin you aint got no teeth   :banghead:

You then pronounce it teef....

Thanks again guys

Zack

Just make the F sound as loud as you can. Be advised that this call will scare away all but the more dominant bucks. Every smaller deer I have tried it on (and a couple nice ones) have tucked their tail and scurried or skulked away. I did have a nice buck two years ago come into range from quite a distance away. He was clearly looking for a deer and ticked off. I botched a 10 yard shot when my limb hit my climbing aid.

In my opinion, most people over use calls. You need to experiment to see when they work, but once you have an idea when to use it, (and more importantly when not to), use it sparingly. I heard a guy this fall using his grunt call during a rattling sequence. Sounded like a bunch of 13 year olds at an armpit farting contest. I don't think he'd ever heard a deer grunt before. I believe deer will get wise to improperly used calls, particularly commercial calls.

Absolutely right on Steve. bw