I have a few older Bear recurves as I like to play around with the older bows. They were nice little bows and were a cheap passion.
But I've noticed prices of the late 50 and earlier 60 kodiaks on **** lately and wow!
What is going on out there? I've been priced out of the hobby in the last few months.
I don't go on that site often but have noticed a huge jump in prices, even for 2nd rate bows that shouldn't fetch more than $40-50 are going for $80 or more. Add the rediculous price gouge for shipping and you could pay over $100 for a piece of junk bow.
I think people get caught up in trying to win the bid and are overpaying for stuff, which drives the price up for everything else because sellers think it's in high demand. A vicious circle. Vintage Bears are nice, but I think only a handfull of models are worth what I have seen some lesser models in rough shape go for.
.......I like it here better. ;)
Where's Here??
Ummmmmmm......here on this site bro. :biglaugh:
I've noticed a drastic increase as well. Bows I purchased a couple years ago are now doubled in price. Dunno?
That "site" is an auction site, so it is still the buyer who determines the price. I bought two bows yesterday and don't have $150.00 in the two of them; one was a Bear Kodiak Special, and the other a very nice Shakespeare RH-200--a bow that will rival just about any one piece recurve, even now.
If you go over there and look at some of the "Buy It Now" prices, yes....they are inflated, but they don't sell at those prices. You have to have some common sense and know what you are buying.
If you look at bows that have already sold, you will find the prices aren't all that bad, except for the 59' Kodiaks and early takedown models.
With a modern custom bow hovering around $1k it seems like a bargain to me to pick up an old Bear recurve for a hundred including shipping. From the mid 50's to the early 70's Bear made some fine shooting bows that rival much of what is made today. These are especially fine bows for beginners as they are many in the 45# range.
Boys, the circle of old bows is diminished every day. The fewer there are the more they will cost.. Doesn't matter if it's old cars, guitars,you name it.If every American bought a Kodiak in '59, there would be so many you couldn't give 'em away. Just the way it is.
George, just curious, does that $150 include shipping?
I admit that some of the Grayling Bears are worth what people are buying them for.
Some common models like 70's Grizzly's in the 45# range, Kodiak Mags, stuff like that, shouldn't be more that $125 shipped in good shape. Maybe I'm blind to the value of things.
I don't understand people charging $25-30 for shipping. Is that crazy?
To ship a one pc. recurve priority insured by the USPS across country will most likely cost you over $20. A fellow from NY send me a 60" Kodiak, and the total for shipping was over $37. Good for me our deal was TYD.
...but a '65 Kodiak selling for over $800 is crazy.
I agree with all that has been said so far. I think folks get caught up in "got to try it, he likes it" craz sometimes. Then there are those who believe in the old saying "he who dies with the most toys wins". Me, I fall somewhere in between.
Arwin, it depends on how you package some things.
A balloon charge can raise the price quickly. I consider any bow shipped for under $25.00 to be fair, since most I ship can range from $15.00 to $25.00. I sent one out last week that cost $26.78 from Pa. to Kansas. Lots of times the bows with high shipping don't bring the same price they would if the shipping were lower, so you have to know what you want to pay as a total.
The price I gave was without shipping; however, shipping for the Shakespeare was a flat $15.00, for the Kodiak Special, which included a box of arrows, it was $19.85. So I'm still under $180.00 for both bows.
We will see prices start to fall off sharply in the coming weeks. There has been a seasonal ajustment every year. The hard collector bows-A handles and Grumleys will maintain their value-the rest will soften.
Hope you're right Bjorn. I've been wanting to pick up another one, or three.
Hi Arwin,
Its just you seem to be mad about what the bows on the big E are going for (especially Bears)
we all have different idea's what old bows are worth,the big E is just the largest market I know of, it kind of dictates what the unwashed masses "think" there bow is worth.
I was just wondering if the pow wow forum was that different from the collecting/history forum?
friends talking about the bows they love to hunt and shoot??
Some looking for deals, others pay whatever is necessary.
Hope you find the deal your looking for
Love your avatar
Kurt
I'm always looking for a good deal, but to find some of those bows around my neck of the woods would be next to impossible. I love those old Bears and I'm willing to pay a fair price for the ones I want and can afford, most of the prices of late haven't been bad.
QuoteOriginally posted by kurtbel5:
Hi Arwin,
Its just you seem to be mad about what the bows on the big E are going for (especially Bears)
we all have different idea's what old bows are worth,the big E is just the largest market I know of, it kind of dictates what the unwashed masses "think" there bow is worth.
I was just wondering if the pow wow forum was that different from the collecting/history forum?
friends talking about the bows they love to hunt and shoot??
Some looking for deals, others pay whatever is necessary.
Hope you find the deal your looking for
Love your avatar
Kurt
Thanks for the compliment!! They are some of my favorite hunting buddies!!
Never mad bro, just confused. ;) Life is too short to let Flea-Bay get me down. I guess that prices are justified to whoever is doing the bidding, but some bows seem to be going for way more than what I would pay. I know if I buy from a well known member here, I'm not going to get a bow that I'll be unhappy with. :D
So if the auction site is high, why is it most bows listed on the classifieds are auction prices + 10-15%
Hmmm..... I thought most of the bows in here were cheaper and in better shape than the auction site. I know I see more sellers who are bow hunters or have knowledge of bows, but anyone can pick up our lingo with terms like "no twist or stress".
I have noticed most bids start out at $70 by the seller and add the $20+ for shipping. Kinda high out of the gate, I could find one in here for the same amount and not have to battle bid for it. Then you see the "Buy it Now" prices set at $199 + shipping for a Grizzly in rough shape made in early 70's. I know those bows aren't worth that. Maybe a 62'-68' Grizz. BTW I send all of my bows USPS Priority confirmed and insured and I have never paid more than $20. Most of those bow packages were over 64 inches.
We can banter all night about the pro's and con's. If people want to dig out the cash for something I feel is over priced, then have at it. It's not my money, I just share a similar opinion with the original post. I have seen more than my share of disappointed buyers who paid what they thought was a fair price, an ended up with a bow that the seller really knew nothing about.
There's a "Greenie" K Model Hunter going off in about an hour and a half. It's already at $227.50!
Thats what I mean.... On an interesting side note, the seller claims he killed a deer with a similar bow, yet refers to the length of the bow as 4ft 7inches. Most of us would say 58 inch AMO or something similar. I can't hold that against a person too much but I find it kinda strange.
I also did some digging with the "search" on here and found a couple K-Hunters in real good shape for $150- $185 TYD.
Arwin
Sorry if I came across wrong, thought you were commenting on us bow ho's in the collecting/history forum.
Crazy prices happening over there on the Bay, some over here in the classifieds.
The 70's KH for over 250, the 65's K's for 800 those are crazy, stupid prices, wish they were buying from me.
Ive got great deals recently off the big E,but postage is going up for sure.
I've got good deals from people here, but most people here have a pretty good idea what their bow is worth.
Best part of dealing with the people here the bow is almost always returnable without to much hard feeling.
Kurt
Bow stringing the Flea Bay Way
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I found it funny the first couple times I saw bows strung like this. Now it's just sad.
I just paid 250 for a 1962 62" grizzly in great shape with a leather top spring arm quiver and arrows to go with it. I didn't pay to much because I've hunted for this bow for 5 years now and I finally found one,,LOL,, I hope I didn't pay to much. I paid that in our Classifieds too. I will add that it is all in excellent shape as I seen plenty of pics from it. So what you fellas think??
I have bought a couple bows right off the classifieds on this site and have been very pleased with the price and the bows.
Boom Stick, that was, and is, a very common method of storing the string, not stringing the bow. With the vast majority of recurves, there's almost no tension on the string that way - barely enough to keep it on the bow. My father has stored his recurve that way since the early 60's.
There are still deals to be found on fleabay, but prices have gotten out of hand. I only sell bows here and my asking price has been ~70% of the normal auction price (which is what I buy them for here as well).
QuoteOriginally posted by kurtbel5:
Arwin
Sorry if I came across wrong, thought you were commenting on us bow ho's in the collecting/history forum.
Crazy prices happening over there on the Bay, some over here in the classifieds.
The 70's KH for over 250, the 65's K's for 800 those are crazy, stupid prices, wish they were buying from me.
Ive got great deals recently off the big E,but postage is going up for sure.
I've got good deals from people here, but most people here have a pretty good idea what their bow is worth.
Best part of dealing with the people here the bow is almost always returnable without to much hard feeling.
Kurt
No offense taken bro. ;) Discussion is good. :D I think being a serious collector vs. someone who is just looking for a hunting bow or first trad bow to get started with, is way different.
I would just hate to see a newbie get scammed on their first bow and feel sour towards traditional archery.
Arwin....most of the bargains come with those that aren't so "popular." Yet if you look at a Kodiak Hunter, in really good shape, going for $250.00, what can you buy new that can compare for even twice that. A 60" Black Widow just went without a bid and it had a starting bid of $400.00. It was an SAII in very good condition, but was 62#@28".
Just because a Buy It Now is a certain price, doesn't mean someone will pay that. Most times you can buy a nice Bear Grizzly for less than $150.00. If you have the opportunity to check in at mid-day, you may get them much cheaper than a bow going off auction in the prime time...evening.
The bottom line is to bid what you can afford and or are willing to pay. People don't think anything about paying $700.00 for a bow that doesn't even have riser overlays on it, yet will balk at a $200.00 Kodiak Hunter in great condition. It's all about what you get for the money and that's a personal choice.
QuoteOriginally posted by Jeremy:
Boom Stick, that was, and is, a very common method of storing the string, not stringing the bow. With the vast majority of recurves, there's almost no tension on the string that way - barely enough to keep it on the bow. My father has stored his recurve that way since the early 60's.
There are still deals to be found on fleabay, but prices have gotten out of hand. I only sell bows here and my asking price has been ~70% of the normal auction price (which is what I buy them for here as well).
It still gives me the heeby jeebies.
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