i love the tradtional looks of the wood and short length of the shrews but love the power you can get out of the a&h acs-cx
im most likely a 25-26'' draw and hunting is my sole purpose so the xtra power would be very beneficial
im thinking the fastest shrew would still be 10-15 fps slower than acs-cx at my draw length
short,agile,versatile,and looks or maximum penetration w/ a more modern look
man im torn i can see many bows in my future.
shorter would be nice for treestand hunting and out of blinds,but all out power is great too
anybody shot both,maybe the speed and power isnt that much different.i dont know
I've shot both....and yes there is a good bit of difference. I don't know about a 25-26" draw, but at my 30" draw, the ACS CX was about 10fps faster, if I remember correctly. That bow smoked an arrow. BUT, it didn't fit me. I had problems with it slapping my forearm. Probley just me, but I haven't had that problem with anyother bow.
For me, I'd choose the Shrew. If you want all out performance, I'd go with the ACS CX. Without looking at the web site, I think they make a 58" model.
Mike
everything Mike said matches my experience :thumbsup:
thanks mike
thanks andy
is the arm slap from low brace height?
I prefer the Shrew. It is a lot more forgiving and a lot quiter to my ear. In a hunting situation I want a natural easy pointing bow. With the right broadhead and shaft you will take deer with no problem. I draw 26in on a 54in Classic at 46#, went through a nice body size doe like hot butter.
I'd echo everyone else. I've shot both & I'd take the Shrew every time. The ACS is a geat bow, but it either fits you or it doesn't. I've yet to meet someone who didn't immediately love a Shrew. Speed sometimes isn't all that important ;)
I have shot shrews and ACS and they are great bows and tops in customer service too.
I went with the ACS-it just felt right for me-fast quiet, accurate-everything right on!
But you need to decide for yourself, either bow will do the job very nicely.
thanks everybody for the repliesthey r very important to me and informative also
this helps me and maybe others to selecting a bow
56" Black Swan Brushfire would give you the forward handle benefits of the Shrew and carbon speed to burn like the ACS-CX. Shrew is working with carbon and foam now also, so you may be giving up a lot less speed than you think with a Shrew.
All great bows and how one fits you is the only way to decide.
QuoteOriginally posted by vermonster13:
Shrew is working with carbon and foam now also
Really ?????
Might have to give Greg or Ron a quick ring.....
Yes, Amar911 has one if not the first one done with foam core and carbon back. He's loaning it back to Ron for Kalamazoo.
Ah nuts. I'm going to have to order one now....
Ah well, it's not like I've got kids to put through college :biglaugh:
You should have plenty of time to save up for one. I have a feeling the list is going to get real long for them after KZoo.
I'll be making the call within a week, believe me! :biglaugh:
Go ahead Rob, I have a kid starting college next Fall. :scared:
Gregg
We plan to have three foam core bows at Kalamazoo, one with carbon. And one carbon bow with actionboo cores too.
Any chance you could make one, say, a 60#@30" 56" T/D Classic Hunter? :pray: :pray: Don't mind which! :goldtooth:
QuoteOriginally posted by Java Man:
We plan to have three foam core bows at Kalamazoo, one with carbon. And one carbon bow with actionboo cores too.
really.. well there go the saving :knothead:
would be interested to hear about those when mine gets to your table Gregg
i know speed isnt everything but to bad the lord blessed me w/ these short little t-rex arms
Do them foam limbs float? Be a good duck huntin' bow.
Eric
Eric, Shrews don't float. :scared:
:bigsmyl:
Ron,
I think you've plum lost your mind! :help:
I have shot both and they are excellent bows but the Shrew shot better for me in every way. Have to agree with everyone else the ACS was faster but that was negated by how well the Shrew shot for me. I too am blessed or maybe its cursed with a short draw.
I have a Shrew Gold with foam/carbon limbs on order for my son. He may not find out about for a couple months after it arrives so I can shoot it :bigsmyl:
I may be placing an order for a matching bow here soon though. Gregg keeps telling how awesome the bow is going to be and I am weak willed when it comes to bows.
I have both and like them very much. You really can't go wrong with either. The ACS CX costs quite a bit more and is more of a semi-custom bow. It is very convenient to travel with, like most three piece takedown bows. It is stable, shoots very well, and is fast. But it is not some sort of super bow that sends arrows off at the speed of sound and defies the laws of physics. As was said above, it is probably about 10 fps faster than a comparable Shrew, which for your hunting situation will not be a big difference. The Shrew is totally a custom, one-man made bow that is crafted to near perfection by Gregg Coffey. I have five Shrews and all of them are wonderful. I particularly like the two piece model with the Bow Bolt as I wrote in a response in another thread. I have three Classic Hunter longbows, one Shrew Lite longbow (actually it is my wife's), and one Lil Favorite recurve. The recurve is the fastest of the five by a bit. Next would be the foam core Classic Hunter that Gregg has just now begun to build. I have two more Shrews on order with the Bow Bolts.
In my hands the ACS CX shoots more consistently accurately. It is definitely more forgiving of breakdowns in my shooting form. Part of that is probably the fact that the ACS is heavier; another is that the ACS is longer. Mine is a 64" model, but I have an extra set of limbs to make it a 62" model. As between those lengths, the 64" is noticeably better to shoot just because of the extra smoothness of a longer working springs and a longer lever arm that resists movement.
On the other hand, the Shrew (particularly the Shrew Classic Hunters in the 56" length) are just as smooth, if not more so, than the much longer ACS. I think my 54" Classic Hunter draws as smoothly to my 29 1/2" draw length (and beyond) as my 64" ACS CX. That is pretty amazing when there is a full 10" length difference between the two. The 54" Lil Favorite is just as smooth, but I was comparing longbows to one another. For a hunting bow, shorter is very often much better, as is lighter weight. Carrying a long, heavy bow through the woods all day is much more fatiguing that carrying a short, light bow. Shooting from a tree stand or out of a tent type ground blind is always much nicer with a short bow. All else being equal (which it never is) I would always choose a shorter, lighter bow over a longer, heavier bow.
Both the Shrew and the ACS CX point very well, but the Shrew definitely points better, at least for me. That is a big advantage with snap shots or shots at moving targets, but those are not the norm in hunting and definitely not in most target shooting situations. For formal target shooting I definitely prefer the ACS CX. The Shrew is great to shoot at targets, but it is not really designed to be a target bow. I like the forward deflexed riser design on the Shrew. I also like the grip a lot. The bow just fits me very well. The ACS fits well too, and it has a very nice grip and balance. If my form is spot on, I can shoot the Shrew as well as the ACS. It is just as inherently accurate. However, my form is rarely even close to perfect, and the ACS is definitely more forgiving of mistakes on my part. The deflexed riser on the Shrew helps add stability, but it does not make up for the extra weight and length of the ACS. The Shrew Lil Favorite recurve actually has a more deflexed riser than the Shrew longbows, and it is more stable and forgiving as a result. I still prefer the Classic Hunter over the Lil Favorite, probably because of the classic lines of a longbow.
I favor the Classic Hunter and the Lil Favorite over the Super Shrew and the Scout because of the shorter riser and shorter overall lengths of the first two. The shorter riser gives longer working limbs that draw smoother at long draws than the longer riser bows do even when they are several inches longer overall. To me, one of the main reasons for having a Shrew is to be able to get a top quality bow that is short in length, so it only makes sense to me to go with the Classic Hunter and the Lil Favorite. If you are shorter anyway and only have a 26" draw like Oddan, then you can pick any Shrew without worry, but his 54" Classic Hunter must be a dream for him to draw. The limbs are not even beginning to peak out at 26".
I have been wanting to try out a Black Mountain Sheepeater bow to see what a really short bow of that design shoots like. However, a two piece Shrew Classic Hunter would be much better to be able to travel with because it would break down shorter and would be much less bulky in a case without the large static recurve tips of the Sheepeater.
Sorry to be so verbose! I wanted to tell my thoughts about the pros and cons of the two bows you asked about without trying to convince you one was better than the other. By July I will own seven Shrews and one ACS CX with an extra set of limbs, so if I am voting with my dollars, you can see which one is winning in my books. Other people will go with the ACS and dismiss the Shrew, and they are not really wrong in doing so. Rod Jenkins shoots the ACS and prefers it. For what he wants a bow to do, he has absolutely picked the right one. If I could make a bow shoot the way he does his ACS, I might not shoot anything else either. But I am a very poor shot compared to Rod, so I shoot other bows too, and the Shrews are some of my favorites. I have a number of other bows besides the Shrews and the ACS that I own and am very high on too, but this thread is not about them, so I will not diverge.
Happy New Year to all you TradGangers!
Allan
Guys I have a OL Adcock 62" that I really like.
But My favorite bow is a Morrison Shawnee Dakota with foam core and carbon limbs.
I have never shot a shrew,so How does a shrew compare to a Morrison?
Bob really has the foam core limbs preforming great.
I would really be interested in a shrew if they compare to a morrison.
"by July i will own 7 shrews" he he thats impressive there Allan
good info by the way :thumbsup:
David Knipes was half right. I have the first foam core Shrew that Gregg built, but it doesn't have carbon fiber. Gregg has built one since that does. I will have a foam/carbon Classic Hunter with a Bow Bolt next July, so David will be correct then. I can hardly wait. My current foam core Classic Hunter will be at the Kalamazoo Expo, so tell me what you think. Gregg did an amazing job on it. It is really fast, smooth, and strikingly beautiful with Macasser Ebony veneers on the backs and bellies of the limbs and a Texas Ebony riser. The carbon fiber will probably make a foam core bow like that as fast as my ACS CX. I personally don't think I will be giving up any speed to an ACS with a foam/carbon Classic Hunter. I will also be getting a foam core Lil Favorite. Unless Gregg and Ron tell me differently, I don't think the carbon would add much to a Lil Favorite because of the difference in limb design with a recurve, so mine probably won't have the carbon. It is very fast anyway and the foam core may add a little more speed.
You guys better call up Ron today and get your orders in for the new bows that will be coming out. I have been drooling all over my foam core Classic Hunter ever since I got it. Ron and Gregg will clean it up though before they put it on display at Kalamazoo! :D
Allan
amar911 thanks for the input really appreciate it
Ken,
I have several Morrisons, including ones with foam/carbon limbs. They are great bows. I shoot them even better than I do my ACS CX. I can't say enough good things about Bob Morrison and his bows. One of my Morrisons is a Mini-14 ILF with "C" limbs that is only 56" AMO. I shoot it better than any other bow I own. It is short but also much heavier than the Shrews, which I think largely explains why I shoot it a little better. If I were to be sitting on a stand or in a blind all day, the Mini-14 might be the better choice. If I were stalking deer all day, a Classic Hunter might be the better choice. I couldn't pick one over the other if I could only have one, but fortunately I don't have to make that choice. I also have two Shawnees with the foam/carbon limbs like yours and understand why you like that bow. I do too. I don't know where you are in Oklahoma, but I'm in Oklahoma City if you want to come down sometime and shoot my bows. Then you can decide for yourself. If you are like me you will end up keeping your Morrison and ordering a new foam/carbon Shrew.
Allan
Allan,
I would love to get together sometime and shoot your shrew.
I live in bristow,so it's less than an hour away via the turnpike.
Im a little busy with my buisness at this time but perhaps we can get together when it's a little more convienant.
Thanks for the offer.
Ken
Any time Ken.
Allan
i wouldnt mind having both bows to shoot,it looks like i'd be able to get an acs-cx faster than a shrew account of the longer waiting list
A&H had my riser in stock, I got the entire bow in two weeks from the day I finalized my order.
Big Al thats cool
pa, if you can make it to Kalamazoo in Feb, you can shoot all the bows mentioned plus a whole lot more!
Al, I ended up buying an instock riser as well (Bubinga), tomorrow will be 2 weeks since I placed the order, I'm counting the days!