I was asked if I would like to give the 300extreme a test run to see what I think.
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First, I'm not a big 3 blade fan, I do like the hole they put in the animal, and they seem to cause massive bleeding.
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They also flew great out of my set up, Habu Vyperkaun 60lb@28 650 grain arrow.
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This is a vary well constructed head, there pretty also :goldtooth:
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It left a Blind Man's Blood Trail.
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It also jumped right through.
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Not the biggest hog, but my mouth is already watering for BBQ.
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30yd shot quartering away, 20yd recovery
Just Loving life
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great stuff David they are very nice heads congrats on the hog nice shooting. nice pics also.
i got that file you sent me, forgot how well they worked thanks
Andy
Awesome, congrats on the fine pig.
Nice. :) Very nice. :) :) I am a fan of 3 blade broadheads. :clapper:
Night wing, I'm keeping an open mind :p
Dude....Give me a call tomarrow. Sweet pig, better bring some meat to Chamberlan Ranch this year.....
God bless ya Bro.....
i noticed that they aren't a glue on head, so what weights are they available in?
Deadly looking head! Congrats on the pig! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
300 grain screw-in
King- You're my hero! Good job on the hog.
Good pics mate and thanks for posting. I like the head myself but the price is another thing. Lucky I'm being sent one as well to try out.
AK.
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This may not be the right thread for this but the price of these heads was brought up again. (Which I think is fine, as it is a very valid point for many people.)
Does anyone know if these are machined (or "cut and grind") from metal stock or are they formed by pouring molten metal. (Sorry for lack of the correct jargon.)
I've been thinking a lot about the issues in making (and the price therein) of broadheads. I've got some hair-brained ideas about using some of the "powdered" metals.
BTW, if I had the money for "super broadheads" this would likely be were some of my money went. For now I need to keep to the good ole muzzys that have so far done well for me...so far.
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Soilarch,
Poured of molten metal = CAST, thats the word your looking for. Yes they are cast. The quality on these babys is second to none. At present these are real cheap. If we were paying what they really cost to make none of use could afford. Like anything of quality you get what you pay for. I've got six of these heads and I've killed five critters with the same head. As long as your using them for big game hunting, the cost of a broadhead is mere peanuts compared to all your other gear.
Congrats Dave on a fine hog and nice shootin. I think you'll grow attached to the right three blade, I did.
These heads are mfg. with a MIM process, harden to 50-52 RC prior to hardening heads are compressed at 14000 psi.This gives the head maximum density, of course all this cost money hence cost. Heads are produced in California USA, tooling and design in Canada. I hope you all like them, a small game head ( small cost too) is in the works to complete a 300gr system . Thanks for the nice pics Dave.
Asgeir
King, I see you have a small feather with the heads. What size are you shooting?
I think that as long as you do not loose them the heads will probably end up saving you money since they are virtually indestructable, and will last a very long time.
I really wish they would consider one that would top out at 200 gr. for us fellows who shoot less poundage. For example I shoot 50#, and most of my arrows top out at around 550gr. I use a traditional lite at 28" long. The 300 extreme makes it about 630 gr at the very least. I use the ww and snuffers and would sure switch to a one piece of this quality. Does anyone know of another arrow I could use with these old Kodiaks that i could end up with say 550gr?
Hunt it, you may be right my friend, this it a fine broadhead and there really good looking.
Cost is relevant, My gram-pa use to say before he died, " Cheep is to expensive" I thought he was going senile, but he was right, if you buy cheep and it's junk, you now have to go out and buy the good stuff and through out the junk, so you payed for the junk & the good stuff, he would tell me just buy the good stuff and you'll save money.
Asgeir, thanks for explaining the manufacturing process, this reminds me of the Can-Am motorcycle from the 70's.
I would really like to put these heads to the test, it got dark on me with this hog or I would of shot it a few times in the shoulder to see the results.
Leatherneck, 3"x4 with the EFOC you don't need a lot to steer it in the back, it just adds drag and makes more noise, I tried just 2x3" and it flew fine out to 50yds with a 300 grain broad head.
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I want to do some more testing with it before I hunt with it, it was dead quit and flew a lot flatter, I might try 2x4" to give just a little extra.
Are you going to use these on future elk hunts?
Todd
I might have to buy some to stimulate the CA economy. :mad:
Nice work KWB. :thumbsup:
I'm shooting 47# @ 26" I like the 300 bh @565 to 600 grain I get great penetration and in the 160's FPS. I know that it shoots though deer, I got to think it would make a bad day for an elk also. I have been playing with lighted nock, It makes finding and retreiving arrows much easier.
Great pictures and story. Well done.
Thanks for the info....nice hog.
So where does a guy get his hands on some of those bad boys!!!
QuoteOriginally posted by bohuntr:
So where does a guy get his hands on some of those bad boys!!!
Bobby's got'um
http://www.morrisonarchery.com/html/broadheads.html
Ya know, I forgot about the field points, they are the Bomb, I was using a 190 wood field point mounted on ether 125gn or 100gn steel broadhead adapter = 315gn or 290gn, now who else has a 300 grain field point, this thing is indestructible also
Guys I'm not trying to sell anything here, I'm just telling it like it is.
However, when I see something I think is a quality product I want to pass on the information, like so many of you have done for me.
Just remember when you say, "you get what you pay for", that you are not relegating other heads to being inferior because that is not the case. The term has been misused so many times it is pathetic.
It's assuredly a great head, but it is not the only head, nor is it probably the best head, relatively speaking. So in the heat of the moment of your ephiphany, don't sell all of the others down the road 8^).
I just bought six Grizzly 160 grain, and if I don't lose any of them, they will probably last a lifetime as well. Smoke em' if you got em'.
George, you need to hunt more my bother, this last me about a month, LOL just kidding.
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I lose about a Dz per year, some times more.
That's why I want to blow through every thing, I hate it, when they run with my arrow sticking out.
The broadhead is usually sticking out the off side and gets snapped off, never to be seen again.
90% of my hunting is on the ground, I think I could change those numbers from a tree stand, for one, my shots would be a lot closer, and with the new stuff I been cooking up from Doc. Ashby's reports, I hope, I never have an arrow stay in an animal.
We have the 300 grain field points also. You're right they are much handier, I was building points like you were to get to 300. These are much better!
Right on Timothy, I forgot about chu
I think a lot of folks on here with strong opinions need to hunt more. Good pictures King ! I think hogs are rougher on heads and arrows than anything else. Good Shooting ! Like that bow !
Opinions are good, but should be recognized as such...opinions. I think I hunt a good bit, but we don't have hogs, or opossum on the half-shell, or deer around every tree; besides which, we are only allowed one buck and one doe per year under normal circumstances. So I guess I'm a lot easier on broadheads by design.
hogdancer...my first response was more to the "you get what you pay for" phrase than the head itself. That phrase is worn out, misused and mostly misunderstood. I get what I pay for with the Grizzly broadheads and Bears.
QuoteOriginally posted by hogdancer:
I think hogs are rougher on heads and arrows than anything else.
Agree the only time I've ever put a nick in a blade on a SilverFlame was from a hog shoulder.
whats the cutting dia. of the 300x? thanks, im real interested in this head.
I just wanted to add Kustom King also is also carrying the 300 Xtreem and the 300 fiedpoints I don't think they are on the online catalog yet, but they have them.
In January we will have the 1st looks at the small game Stomper in 300 grains, Yes I know you don't need 300 grains to take a rabbit, But if your shooting ground hog, rabbits, leaves with 300 gr. You should not have a problem shooting big stuff with the serious Xtreem.
QuoteOriginally posted by deermaster1:
whats the cutting dia. of the 300x? thanks, im real interested in this head.
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Hello to you all, you cant measure 3 blade as shown,ok lenght 2 7/8" DIA 1 1/32 .
Nice pics again, thanks David
Asgeir
size has to do with what size hole would the BH fall though. 1 1/32", Length is what King has shown.
I just wanted to add Kustom King also is also carrying the 300 Xtreem and the 300 fiedpoints I don't think they are on the online catalog yet, but they have them.
In January we will have the 1st looks at the small game Stomper in 300 grains, Yes I know you don't need 300 grains to take a rabbit, But if your shooting ground hog, rabbits, leaves with 300 gr. You should not have a problem shooting big stuff with the serious Xtreem.
Thanks for that info Bob as I was wondering what I'd do when I'm out hunting as I like to stump shoot to keep my eye in whilst on the stalk. I was hammering my brain how to get a judo up to 300 grains ...lol.
AK.
Here's my opinion: You get what you pay for! George, my opinion is that these are the best broadheads out there. If all you want is Grizzly's and you love em and they work for you great. But I'm going to pay twice as much for these babys and I think there twice as good. Just my opinion. The you get what you pay for term is generally used to define top end products, I think it suits the 300xtreme to a T. Nobody's knocking the other broadheads.
It really looks great, and this is from a big 3bl. fan. I love my Snuffer and WW, but I can def. see a place for these with big boar hogs,and big,tough thick skinned critters.
How are the tips holding up now? Last year in TX Bob Walker shot through a doe wt like butter,but the arrow hit a rock after passing through and the tip needed a lot of work to be shootable again....
Like someone said earlier,in the long run,even at the price of these,it's pretty cheap....
Guru, this is the 300Xtreme after it went through the hog, as you can see mostly dirt, which is rare here, mostly rock with a little dirt.
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As I examen this head, I like the 3 sided fluting it has all the way to the front, it looks like it can take a lot of punishment and keep on going.
One of the things I don't like about 3blades is the reaction the animal does after the hit, my experience is they go into flight mode right away, until there along way off, then settle down.
With this 1-1/32 dia. this hog just walked off, I don't think he knew he was hit, and I like that.
The arrow blew through him so fast there was minimal reaction from him.
I have found out from some of the larger 3 blades, it has to push to much tissue to get through, I also think the vents grab tissue, and causes a much greater response from the animal.
The head Bob Walker had last year was one of the proto types, I'm pretty sure it was before the Tano point.
KWB, very interesting observations/analyis of the effect of a 3 blade on game. Somthing to think about for sure.
what i like about this head is it doesn't have the vents like the WW and snuffers, prob aids penetration and nice and easy to clean, and helps eliminate the whistling you get with the vented heads.
Thanks for sharing. :thumbsup:
Bob Morrison ,
Just curious. I shoot a 42 pound recurve with aluminum arrows and my total arrow weight is 550 grains with a 150 grain screw-in Wensel Woodsman broadhead at the business end of the arrow. This gives me 13 grains per pound. My bow at 42 pounds is too light to shoot these 300 grain broadheads since this would give me a 700 grain arrow. Do you have any plans for a 150 grain Extreme broadhead? I like the idea of no vents and wished my WW broadhead had no vents.
Too bad they aren't 1/8" wider. Not legal here in Alberta. I've always liked a 3-blade. They look like the ultimate. A little too pricy for me.
I have 7 of these heads and I really like them. I hope to take a Guam hog soon with one. I need a good hole for tracking in the thick jungle. I have been using some old Mohawk MagI 4 blades and they do a number on hogs but I like the weight of the 300xtreme. They are also going to Africa with me in June 2010 so we shall see how they do on Kudu,Bushbuck,Eland,Nyalla and Waterbuck if I am lucky enough to take all of them. 29 1/2" AD Trad Heavys and Carbon Tech Rhinos for my arrows.
Danny
Brooks Johnson said that the DB 360 was made for the person who can afford to pay $400 for a blind. I see the same thing happening with the 300 Xtreem and the Ashby broadheads. I understand the reasoning behind it but I can't afford to support it. I would love to have this broadhead, albeit a little lighter in weight, but I just can't justify paying for 1 broadhead what I can pay for 6 time-tested and hunt-proven broadheads. I just wish that whenever something new and great is introduced to the world it isn't priced for a small percentage. It just doesn't sound like good marketing. I realize I can't get everything at Wally World but come on, I would like to have a taste, too.
I wouldn't think he is charging too far above what he makes a slight profit on. And giving away something below cost isn't good business, either. With the R&D, manufacturing, and limited market, I'm sure it's hard to get the cost down. Economy of scale, in the sense of limited scale. Now, if all of us on Tradgang would buy 6, we would probably see a substantial reduction in cost. :D
I personally would like to see Morrison bows at a third the price, but if they were, would they still be Morrison bows?
Not meaning that cost makes an item better, but that time and materials and customer service do, and that is what you pay for.
It was never my intention to say that anything is too expensive. If you really think about it nothing is really too expensive. It all depends on how much a person is willing and able to spend. I could buy a Bentley; I just wouldn't be able to buy anything else. I could buy one 300 Xtreem or a 6-pack of Woodsman's. I simply wish I, myself, could justify the purchase. Example: I want to hunt moose. It is much more cost effective to hunt moose in Vermont than in Canada.
Oh no, I was plannig on using them on a Spring bear hunt in Albert . Gun,are you sure they're illegal in Alberta?
What is the minimum legal dia.on broadheads in Alberta? - this head is 1 1/32 dia.
Morrison 14" ILF 56" 54lbs
300 xtreem / 650grain
Oh so smooth, worth every penny.
ASL
Tiur, That's some "BAD" medicine you got right there :archer:
QuoteOriginally posted by Gun:
Too bad they aren't 1/8" wider. Not legal here in Alberta. I've always liked a 3-blade. They look like the ultimate. A little too pricy for me.
This is from there website in Alberta, they are legal in Alberta
Persons hunting big game must use an authorized bow and an authorized arrow. An authorized bow is one that is held, drawn and released by muscular power and has a draw weight of not less than 18 kg (40 lb.). This is the number of kilograms (pounds) required to draw an arrow of 71 cm (28 in.) to its head. An authorized arrow is one that is not less than 61 cm (24 in.) in length that has a tip that bears a head that is not intentionally designed to resist being withdrawn after it has penetrated an object. Furthermore, it must either have a solid, sharp cutting head of at least 7/8 inch in width, or a head that, when the arrow impacts, opens to present sharp cutting edges at least 7/8 inch in width.
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QuoteWhat is the minimum legal dia.on broadheads in Alberta? - this head is 1 1/32 dia.
From the pic KWB posted it looks to be 7/8" to me.
Looks legal to me. But if your still worried they are ok in Missouri send them to me. I'll trade you straight up for some Thunderheads I'm sure ther legal. :thumbsup:
Thanks Dave for clearing up the Alberta question.The 300Xtremes fly perfectly from my 53# Predator.Awesome head.
Mikew for a 2 blade it's 7/8 for 3 blades or more it's diameter of all the blades.
Fish and Game usually uses a 7/8 diameter washer to see if the head will go though the hole.
1 1/32 will not go through a 7/8 hole
Here is the prescription:
Beman 400, cut to 28,5" 300 xtreem, low hunter style
feathers 7/16 X 3,8" 4 at 60 - 120 fletch, weight 648grains - name: "Bunker busters" very quick and quiet. Highly recommended by the doctor.LOL
ASL
QuoteOriginally posted by tiur:
Here is the prescription:
Beman 400, cut to 28,5" 300 xtreem, low hunter style
feathers 7/16 X 3,8" 4 at 60 - 120 fletch, weight 648grains - name: "Bunker busters" very quick and quiet. Highly recommended by the doctor.LOL
ASL
Did you say 8" feathers :scared:
I've been working on 2x3" feathers with a 300 broadhead, so far fly great.
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do they come presharpened or do you have to sharpen them before using them? Thanks, BLM
They come presharpened, and are easy to sharpen after you kill something with them.
Thanks King...
4 feathers - 7/16 X 3,8" , got them from Herbs archery , i think sells them as 4" but i do measure ( bad habit - tool maker )
In regards to sharpen this head, it is important to keep edges flat.This would help anybody who has problems with sharpening. Please use a flat DMT 600 grit diamond sharpner ( colour code is RED ) slide head gently away from you with point towards you, about 20 times each side.Do not use any presure and you will get a very nice edge. The DMT " stone" will last very long and is better than a file which needs more skill- enjoy.
ASL
Tiur -- That's the same as what we down south of the Canada/US border describe a 3.8" (three and eight-tenths inches)or round off to 4" as you state. The sharpening instructions are correct also. Just make sure and turn the head one third turn after each stroke. Appropriate files, stones and/or brands of diamond sharpeners besides DMT also work well. The DMT works great and is easy to describe the proper grit using the red color.
Allan
King, what's the deal with the two feathers? How's the flight? Is there an upper limit on broadhead weight? Does arrow length affect flight? Is feather length or height an issue? How does it affect shelf clearance, fishtailing, oscillating, and paradox? As you can see I'm very interested in this new development. Is it a new development?
QuoteOriginally posted by TradOnly:
King, what's the deal with the two feathers? How's the flight? Is there an upper limit on broadhead weight? Does arrow length affect flight? Is feather length or height an issue? How does it affect shelf clearance, fishtailing, oscillating, and paradox? As you can see I'm very interested in this new development. Is it a new development?
First you must have a well tuned arrow to start with.
I was reading, how with EFOC you don't need a lot of guidance in the back of the arrow, so, I thought lets see.
I took a 29" arrow footed with 1716 shaft 2" 129gn steel insert in a 190gn El Grande, total 650gn
I draw 60lb@28 1/2, shoots great, I shot out to 50 yards and it hits high every time.
So, there is defiantly less drag down range, my main reason for trying was clearance and quietness.
I want to do more testing, it sounds like it would never work, it's only 6" of total feather with a 300grain broadhead on the front.
I'm shooting 2" Rayzr's with a total of 6" now. What do you think would happen if I used two Rayzr's?
Are you shooting of the shelf or an elevated rest.
4" Wow!! with 2 rayzr vanes
I shoot off the shelf and I thought 2 vane would be great, if I rotate them to never hit the shelf, it would work and be water proof.
where off topic but who cares :knothead:
Shelf
$26.00 per head? Wow. Is that the correct price?
Peter
Yessir buddy!!
Is that alot or a little?
Compared to what some of us are putting out in bows, arrows, clothing, accessories, gas, hunts, and other misc hunting stuff the $26 is nothing IMO.
In saying that there is nothing wrong with all the other broadheads that have taken thousands of animals either. It is all just a matter of personal choice.
They will be on the business end of my arrows this year.
Chris