I did search this before posting and didn't find any info on this bow http://www.martinarchery.com/jaguartakedown.php . Anyone know anything about it.
They obviously noticed Hoyt and others doing well with metal risered bows and have decided to throw their hat in the ring. Will be interesting to see one.
It looks like Widow is still a hold out on the metal riser. :confused: Any bets when they throw their hats? :rolleyes:
One big difference, Widow has a couple proven metal recurve risers to work with, and Hoyt understands recurve geometry... not like Martin and PSE who took highly re-flexed compound risers and bolted recurve limbs on them....not a very good combination!
I know nothing of this bow. This is the first I've heard of it.
I really doubt that Martin assembled this out of spare parts just to have a metal risered recurve.
Looks like you could almost make a treestand seat out of the shelf.I have no problem with metal riser bows but this one to me looks bulky.my .02Kip
One difference is Black Widow already tried several different metal riser bows back in the 1970's and dropped them from there line years ago...bd
It looks to me that Martin discontinued their Jaguar line of compound, kept the riser, and stuck some recurve limbs on it. Looks horrid!
Apex, it's been done before that way. PSE did it and call it the Coyote.
I agree with Kip. Looks like you could land a helicopter on that shelf...
What does it cost?? I had a coyote and took several deer with it my brother took several animals with it, only pigs I think. But not a bad bow it would do 178 fps out of the chrono. The proof is in the puddin. I did not like it cause it was heavy. I could shoot 40 yards with it.
Gail Martin has been in the archery business longer the 90% of us have been alive.I'am pretty darn sure Martin understands geometry of a recurve as well as anyone.They are one of the larger archery manufacturing companies around and are not just some guy glueing spear parts together in his garage.Without getting to far off track here thats kind of an insult to Martin and the rest of the hard working folks at Martin Archery and Damon Howatt...sad day when we insult someone for a new idea.Just one mans thoughts.bowdoc
I'm pretty much POSITIVE it IS the same riser as the compound jaguar...but it's been mentioned that Martin probably knows a thing or two about recurve geometry/design.
Maybe we can give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that even though it first appeared on a compound they saw the opportunity make a good metal-riser recurve without having to retool? Maybe it was the plan all along during the design of the riser?
I do know that Martin's CS is top notch in the compound department. I've had no dealings with Hoyt though, maybe they're the same. I'd sure buy one from Martin before I did PSE.
bowdoc, you compare the risers. Not an insult, the Warfs are fine shooting bows and use compound risers.
http://www.martinarchery.com/bows2000/jag.html
Sure looks like recycling to me. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm sure Martin has done their homework and not just thrown this bow together. I'll bet it is a good bow that will get the job done. You either like metal risers or you don't. I have both and both have good and bad traits.
The handle is smaller
the price is 119.99 for a brand new one at my local proshop....they said they would be available in march??
I never shot well with a reflexed riser, new design or old. I like and support Martin and I'm a big fan of cost savings but I'd have to spend some time with this design before saying it's a good one.
I have two of those 1970's BW bows with metal handles, kinda ugly but are 2 of my best bows!One is a 1200, 51# and the other is 1226, #46 & #55 limbs with original case. I took 2 deer this year with the #46 pound limbs and shoot this better than any bow I have. Extremely stable, no hand shock and still fast! Pretty wood just outsold the ugly metal.
bmb, are you sure of that price $119, thats cheap even if its junk. I would think it would cost more than that. For $119 I would get one to see if it was any good. lol....
i am 100% sure...i couldnt believe it either.....i actually did a search on the web and the most i saw advertised was 140.00 bucks...but yes allens archery in decatur,al will have all 3 weights offered in store around march for 119.99...:)seems to cheap to me also. he said it uses a jaguar? compound riser??
Looks like it is mainly for an elevated rest. I guess you could shoot off the shelf?
Scrap metal prices are way up right now, so I guess if your unhappy with it you could always melt it down and get part of your money back :knothead: :bigsmyl:
On a serious note I have always been a big fan of the "Old Howatts" just don't think I could "Warm Up" to this one.
JMO, Gene
For $114 to $140 I think I'll order one. I might be able to put some longbow limbs on it.
on a side note, tradonly..how do you like your savannah?
When it comes to the compound Martin "seems" to borrow a lot of design ideas from other companies. They have been successful at that and one would assume they would bring that to any venture where they could get a piece of the market. The PSE Coyote wasn't a great bow for me but it was an excellent bowfishing bow. I could see investing in this Jaguar for bowfishing if it is as rugged as it looks.
I love my Savannah. It's smooth, quiet, and fast. At 62", there's no stacking even at my 30" draw. I shoot 3 under and there's no problem with tiller or noise. Martin actually customed it to 52# @30 and put my name on it at no extra charge. I bought it the first year it was on the open market. Since then the price has jumped over $100. I'm glad I jumped on it when I did. That's a good reason for jumping on the Jaguar now instead of later.
My buddy, Shop Owner, ordered 10 of different weights. They won't be available until March '09 but I'm already set for a black handled 50 lb'er. At that price I can't pass it up.
do you think its cheap b/c of the al/magnesium riser?? are they weaker than solid aluminium??
It's probably cheap because they had a stock-pile of riser left over from not selling many of the compound version. This is a way for them to make use of those risers. At the price they are selling them for, at the least you'd have a bowfishing bow. They'll only be available RH and in 45, 50 or 55#s.
I spoke to the Martin Rep and he said that one of the reasons for the low price was no need to make a cast for the riser since it was already made. I'm not sure where the limbs came from.
So it's kinda like a factory produced WARF? That shelf is mighty generous, guess you could experiment with every rest on the market to find what works without running out of surface. For all the EFOC and heavy arrow guys you could probably build out the strike plate enough to shoot rebar.
QuoteOriginally posted by owlbait:
When it comes to the compound Martin "seems" to borrow a lot of design ideas from other companies. They have been successful at that and one would assume they would bring that to any venture where they could get a piece of the market. The PSE Coyote wasn't a great bow for me but it was an excellent bowfishing bow. I could see investing in this Jaguar for bowfishing if it is as rugged as it looks.
Dude, you need to do some research. Martin has come up with more than its share of of the progress of compound bows. Example, Martin had the first ever single cam. When you look at bows of today, I can assure you that alot of what you see was derived from Martin archery. Probably the most innovative company out there.
The Martin Lynx has been around for a long time....not a bad shooting takedown either from what I remember. It's got a metal riser, if I'm not mistaken.
SO what's the verdict. Folks were supposed to have these last month. How does it shoot?
No doubt, Martin makes some fine products. But, from the looks of that thing, it's not one that I'd give a serious thought to. JMO
I ordered and paid for one 3-1-09 to use for bow fishing...after a couple of it will be in any day now e mails I called the Martin factory and was told they would not ship before May, I did not know they were a custom bow built one at a time...
ive paid for one also....still waiting for it....... it will be my new bowfishing rig..... im not real concerned how it shoots for that price...i just wanted something i could toss around in the boat..
Ordered one for my eleven yr old sons` birthday...got tired of waiting. Switched my order to a Samick Deermaster. A bit more money, but the bow came yesterday and is not a dissappointment.
In the pouring rain, he proudly shot his new bow today, after school.
Pred 1 , "Sir Dude, please" :bigsmyl: My comment was based on research. Many successful models in the market have been "followed" by Martin look-a-likes. Probably made more sense then doing that original research on those 2 models you mentioned. But I did agree they looked like they would make bowfishing bows, but they didn't come out when expected. MAYBE someone called their bluff on this one? I like my American made Quinn Stallion for metal-riser bowfishing bow for now.
Looks like a compound riser with recurve limbs!!LOL Must mean that those wheelie heads are coming back around. Never seen it before, but coming from Martin it is probably a pretty decent bow. I wouldn't hesitate giving it a shot and probably a great fish bow at that. dino
I just love the way some folks can be sarcastic about a bow because it's cheap. "Must be no good at that price!" Martin is introducing a takedown, with wood laminated limbs, that someone can afford and it will probably shoot very well. As a matter of fact, in the right hands, I'm sure a good shooter will kick your keister with it...even against high priced bows.
Years back we welcomed such things because they fit the budets of those of us who weren't so financially blessed. Right now it's a market that very few American companies are getting in on. It's a great move on Martin's part.
Some of you could also use a good history lesson when it comes to archery and bowhunting. Black Widows first takedowns were metal, and remained that way until the compound device took over the archery industry. When Ken Beck bought Black Widow, he brought the wood riser Widows into prominence. A metal riser widow would be a remake, and perhaps more affordable than the wood riser. Well...maybe.
I still have to figure out how one decides what is a fish bow and what is any other kind of bow.
Just because you consider something trash, doesn't mean it is. It could mean you don't understand all that you see.
If I were in the market for a recurve with a metal riser in that price range, I'd buy a Quinn. They're good bows at an excellent price and shoot very well. With respect to this new offering from Martin: all I can say is there's a good reason why very few bowyers make recurves with that sort of geometry.
George, a good fish bow in my book is one that you can toss in the bottom of the boat or the lake and pick it up to shoot. It doesn't have to be pretty or shoot great. It just has to shoot good enough. Doesn't matter if it copies other designs either. If it does shoot well, like the Quinn, then you get extra bang for the buck. If it is put together with extra parts from other projects, might be hard to keep the price and quality consistent.
I had a few bucks in my pay pal account so..I ordered the Martin Jaguar because I was looking for a metal riser recurve that had threaded holes in it so I could attach either a zebco 888 type bow reel or one of my AMS Retreivers. I bought a PSE last year from the St Judes Auction and it was a little light drawing for me so it's Helens bow fishing bow now, I'm sure when it arrives it will be a quality product for the price and just what I was looking for.
I'm sure it can look very good to a person without the disposable income that some of you may have. Rather than just criticize a design; or even if it's a put-together from old compound risers, you may just want to appreciate that Martin has made a takedown recurve available that will be functional for what may be pocket change to you.
I would be happy if a few more companies used leftover pieces and parts to do the same thing.
Full wallets have short memories.
Yeah Martin. Thank you. Now, has anyone actually gotten their hands on one of these wonderful products?
We ordered one from fsdiscountarchery.com, at the beginning of February, and they said at that time not to expect the bow until late March. Late March came, and my 11 yr old son (the owner of said bow) went on-line to look at the picture of the bow AGAIN, and found it was not there. That prompted a call to them from me.
We were told not to expect the bow for up to six more weeks.
Not good enough, we moved on.
I recieved my Jaguar about 3 weeks ago. Very easy to shoot. With the rest that Martin supplies with the bow, you get awsome arrow flight.
The limbs on my bow were made in the Howatt plant, but I believe Martin is moving that operation into the Walla Walla facility. That may be why they are taking a little longer to get shipped.
They are great bows. I would recommend one!
Dean
Ordered one 3-5-09 & they said would ship end of march. End of march called again & they said...oh no it will be 6-8 weeks, that was after she put me on hold & called martin. told them it didn't matter whether it was black or camo. finally canceled order. hoyt gamemaster is good enough.
OK, I got my 50lb Jaguar today. I put it together, installed the plastic rest(about 1/8 past center), put some homemade wool silencers on string,set brace at 7 1/2inchs, put nock on B-50 loop string, checked tiller at 3/16 positive and dug thru arrow pile for some 1916 w/wide nocks found 3 @ 28 in with 125 gr points. stood back at 15 yards and put all 3 in the kill about 5 inch group, noticed good arrow flight, good cast, not loud. shot about 6 more rounds of 3 arrows between 15 and 20 yards all in the 8 or 10 ring. I don't think I felt any hand shock at all, bow sent was black not the camo I think I ordered, thats OK I wanted a bow fishing bow and this is it , bow is drilled and tapped for bow reel and AMS retreiver.
How much do one of these bows cost?RC
$115 plus shipping
any update on this? i want a takedown and can afford this fa sho!
Mines on the way, getting a 55#. Could be camo or black, depends on what they have in stock. Should have it Friday or so.