was wondering what peoples opinions are on bleeder blades good or bad or make no differnce, aslo two blade coc vs three balde
Through them away!!
Brett
do a search on Dr.Ashby. I believe his study that single bevel with you helical fletched the same direction as the bevel is the best setup.
I've run many a 4 blade through whitetails if that's what you are after, and that's what I prefer most on whitetails.....but broadheads are tools and it depends on your set up and what you are after.
I also killed a 2000# buffalo with a 3 blade Wensel Woodsman.
Whatcha hunting and tell us about your set up?
I hunt whitetail deer with the old green Bear broadheads with the bleeders; I would not feel right hunting without them. They leave an awesome blood trail. I've killed 4 deer so far this season with the same arrow and broadhead/bleeder. Only one deer ran past 50 yards after hit, that one ran 65 and piled up. The key is to keep that bleeder shaving sharp; it you don't then it causes a lot of friction when it hits an animal and deters penetration.
will be hunting whitetails and about once every five years bear takes 5 plus years to draw a tag here in wisconsin. my set up is new and still being put togeather. its a 60" 50# at 28" draw recurve just getting new arrows carbon express heritage 150's 5" right helical feathers was planing on shotting magnus stinger 125 grain heads
whitetails and bears are easily penetrated. Do yourself a favor and shoot the bleeders. Bigger holes are a good thing!
Not to hijack the thread, but I've got a question for the pig hunters out there. I am curious about bleeder blades as well. I only shoot a 63# recurve with 660-700 grain arrows. I'm going pig hunting in the spring and the possibility exists of getting up on some that are around 400 pounds. Terry's pig with the thick shield that he posted on previously has me thinking about penetration. I'm used to pretty good blood trails, but I've never used bleeder blades and don't know how much that would limit penetration on a tough shield and whether the better blood trail would be worth it. I've also got some standard 2 blades and some 300xtreme 3 blades. Do you guys think that the 3 blades and/or 2 blades with bleeders would get the job done on a tough shield? If so, what would your personal choice be? (sorry bowmaster12)
pdk25... those 300xtreme heads won't stop till they hit something hard on the other side of the pig... should be just the ticket on large hogs with shields. Best of both worlds.
Bowmaster12... don't even worry about penetration on deer and bears with the Magnus Stinger 4 blade. That head will zip through like nothing was in the way.
You may may want to try tuning one carbon arrow first before permanently attaching your inserts....you may find you need to beef up tip weight to get things tuned good.
Like Biggie said, "do yourself a favor".
no prob pdk25 great question i cant speak to much to the broadhead question but as far as pig shields from my taxidermy work on them theres not much that dulls an edge quicker than that shield of hard fat from my experince talking ot pig hunters two things come up first main point quartering away shots key the other thing that coems up is if a broadside shot shot further back than normal
bleeder blades are good. they cut a right of way that reduces friction o on the shaft. Cut big holes that bleed and close up slowly.
The other day I shot some practice arrows with out the bleeders. One of the Magnus head split the twine but did not cut it in two. It would have cut it cleanly had the bleeders been in.
Joe
Bowmaster, I like the bleeders too and see no reason not to use them with your set up, particularly for deer which you'll mostly be hunting.
Pdk25, I'll second what Charlie said. With your ample set up I'd be all over those 300X's you already have, or any high penetration multi-blade like a Woodsman or Stinger.
Bleeders make better blood trails! I shoot the Magnus stingers and first started with teh two bladed model because I heard they penetrated better. But after struggling to find blood a time or two, I switched to teh 4 blade. Much better blood trails and no loss of penetration for whitetails. Those bleeders are small and only serve to open the wound a little more.
ben
I hunted with 2 blade delta zwickeys for decades; and I like them; but those little bleeders on the '4 blade' zwickey really improve the blood trails.
From now on I am using them.
Thanks for my answers, guys.
Stingers are a great choice for that set up. You can be confident using the 4 blade Stingers on deer and bear. I usually keep a two blade Stinger in the quiver just in case I run into a 200+ pound hog, otherwise it's the 4s.
Here's what a 4 blade Stinger can do on slightly bigger animal...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/NM%20Elk%202008/IMG_0159.jpg)
Bleeders installed for me.I don't leave home without them....bowdoc
I'm a believer in bleeders. I also agree with Trooper- keep'em sharp, really sharp. GY
I have shot several animals with Zephyr Sausquatch broadheads and also Eclipse broadheads, both of which use the same bleeder blades and have found that they make bigger holes, bleed better, and don't hinder penetration that I could see. From what I have seen I am a fan of large multiblade broadheads (Zephyr, Eclipse, Snuffer, Magnus) Even in Africa were I used only 2 blade heads(Zephyr and Magnus I) they would have been helpful and when I get back there I will be using them.
I've been shooting two blades for the last year or so. I just went back to bleeders and am going back to Scirocco and Sasquash heads. I've had a couple of scant blood trails recently and that is what motivated the change. I added a little more weight to push them through...just to be safe! I do keep a sharp 2 blade Stos in the quiver (with different colored feathers) in case a big hawg comes calling.
I had these handy.The one's that are missing the bleeder.I just never found after the shot but they were installed while hunting.Please note the possion of the two bleeder on the right.The bleeders slipped sideways and cause a barbed head.The idea of the bleeders in Bear razorhead was the cut an + in the hide which does not close up like a - does...bowdoc (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/bloodyheads001.jpg)
and then.bd (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/bloodyheads002.jpg)
Had same thing with the bleeder on one of my Stingers. Caught in a rib and sawed through on far side. Easy to change out though on Stingers so---no problems :archer:
ben
Why wouldn't you make 2x the damage for the same shot? Doesn't seem like a hard choice.
Here's an add from around 1962 about the Bear razorheads bleeder blades and how they worked.Cool little read...bowdoc (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/paper001.jpg)
Bowdoc please send me a couple dz. at the $5.45 price I realize that doesn't include postage though.Thank you Kip
Oh man Kip I would love to ship them out but do to the bad weather our stock order have been held up...since 1962....ya gotta love em huh ? bowdoc