I'm kinda new to this whole scent thingy, short of using it for trapping lures. Here in Wyoming for me anyway, using scents is a very foreign concept. My scent covers and alike YES I do ascribe to that whole concept. :scared: :scared:
I have heard a lot lately of you folks freshening up yer scrapes with recycled coffee and soda waters.
So help a newbie out What's the "Scent Skinny" :help:
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Are you snowed in Vance ol buddy because thats some heavy thinkin right there. But I know what you mean. ;)
Tracy :coffee:
Hey Vance Ol Buddy, This is what I think to your questions but you know what they say about opinions... LOL
#1 I think blood smells the same but the other scents from the animal that falls with it is how they differentiate the scents.
#2 The blood until the scent gets scarce and see #1 for the rest.
The Cloudy Area... LOL I may have to PM you with my response.
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These are thoughtful questions. I believe blood smells the same but that is just an opinion. I have a bloodtracking dog and I try to get the dog started on blood. The dog also associates the blood with the track smell and I believe she will track the blood if available. If the blood quits she is able to continue on that deers particular track. I am sure every individual deer smells different just as humans do. We all know any juvenile animal is able to find its mother and vice versa reinforcing that theory.
OK, I knew when I thunk this up, I couldn't just be general bout it. SO to muddy the water a bit further.
I have a chance to pick up a BUNCH of scents locally at a very discounted price. How ever if they won't work for our hunting out here, I just as well spend the money on "OLD SPICE" and do some CHICK HUNTIN :biglaugh:
AN NO I ain't gonna buy it just ta send it to you guys (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d171/IronBull_/Smileys/Nope.gif)
Now about the Blood Stuff....Today Mr.Shrew and I had to relocate a Porcupine. In the process there was a bunch of Red body fluid left behind.
After the relocation, 2 song Dogs came up the Creek and followed it to where I loaded it for transportation to the Freezer. To my mind it was very interesting. Step for step they followed the drag line, like they were on a string, even though MY Scent was there also. Question ?... Blood or Scent?
Now another Scenario....Say I want to dispose of some Wolf Blood on an old Cow carcass would just the Blood keep the lesser predators away???
Dang Bull, we need to talk :smileystooges:
Wups
Save your money :readit:
For training blood trailing dogs we use ANY blood. Go to the locker and get beef blood for laying training tracks. The dog will follow blood when we think it has stopped bleeding there is still blood scent from tiny amounts rubbing off the wounded critter.
If you want to scare or attract a certain species you can use scat. (Disclaimer; this will not work your Saturday night date, stick to Old Spice).
When doe in heat scent first came out, my cousin Phil doused his boots in it and walked to his stand, climbed up, turned around and shot a buck. Said later that he was really glad he did not stop to ties his shoe.
When doe in heat scent first came out, my cousin Phil doused his boots in it and walked to his stand, climbed up, turned around and shot a buck. Said later that he was really glad he did not stop to ties his shoe. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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Back to the blood. Wouldn't diet play some factor in the scent of blood as it does with other fluids.
Iron Bull, If you really want to cloud the issue , where does common scence(scents) come to play. Actually you bringing some very good questions to the table, I also do some trapping an the more answer that I seek the more questions I have. Good Luck Bob
OK Shaun....I'll play, was cousin Phil hunting Mule Deer or Whitetails ? Which scent was he using? Did his Buck know the Difference.
So with your puppy trainin what your tellin me is, that all blood smells the same and they are keying on the scent of BLOOD...correct
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I think,,,blood is blood, p is p
as for estrous p....I would think pheromones would come into play, and would be somewhat specie specific,,,to a point.
Curiosity kills more than just cats though.
What you up to Brother Vance....trying to turn Andy into a bloodhound??? (http://www.smileycons.com/img/emotions/120.gif) IMHO I wouldn't buy any large amounts of scents cause I don't believe they have a real long shelf life.
For training purposes, blood is blood. The animal will key on the blood. However, to be anal about it all, there are many other factors in blood that will put off their own scent. While most of those factors are the same across species and different sexes, their relative amounts however are not. I believe if you wanted to, you could train a dog with a good nose to only follow female or male tracks. Or you could train them to follow only deer blood and not cow blood.
My 2cents,
Dave
I agree with DaveB.
To be as realistic as possible you would need blood and scent from the glands of the animal you are training your dog to trail. Do you need to be this picky? Nope, most dogs that have a good trailng instinct will trail most any scent from a prey animal.
When you add blood to the mix, I beleive over time it adds to the excitement for the trailing dog. To start with blood is just another smell to a dog.
A dogs instinct kicks in if he's trailing prey animals, I'm convinced they know the difference between the smell of a predator and prey animals.
Some pups liver will quiver at the smell of a big predator but they will blow up and run the track of a deer 20 feet away.
You can stretch the shelf life of scent by hiding it from your wife in the fridge, it shortens your life if she gives it the smell test when she finds it.
This is good stuff, can't help but make us better hunters to know what our prey smells.
As far as doe in heat sents for white tail or mule deer. No experiance but where both types cross over in habitat you will have a hybread mix deer. Therefore you would think one sent would work for both.
Just a thought
Robin,
:scared: . Of course it might have something to do with that glandular kitty scent you recommended.
Vance, what Pops said. In the mid eighties the whities invaded what was traditional mule deer country in Adams County Idaho, their was some really differnt looking deer running around.
Ophs!
:D Walt, my bride checks the fridge every time she hears me open it. I can't even use the washer after she found coyote hair in the babys diapers years ago. Dang she's got a long memory.
Hope the scent is working well for you. Are you packing your longbow behind those pups this winter?
Vance, if you ever get the chance to go with a bloodhound and his handler go for sure. It will really give you something to think about. They say the bears have a nose equeal to the bloodhound.
Is the "Old Spice" used as a cover scent or an attractor? :smileystooges:
I don't know much about the scents used for whitetails, my small area of knowledge comes from blending scents used for trapping.
In this area most scents or lures have a base or carryer scent. It enhances the other scents you blend in. It would bring animals in on it's own but thats not it's job. Three of the most used are , beaver castor, skunk essence, and whale ambergrass or whale throwup. The last being the most valuable and hardest to get. These same carryers are used in the purfume industry (or a chemical copy of it)
I doubt we will ever know the full effects these scents have on wildlife or dogs for that matter.
My blends that I mix for personal use on predators sure work, the folks working with prey animal lures are fast catching up to what the lure manufacture industry has been working on for the last hundred or so years.
No one lure will bring in every target animal in every location, but some sure work on a high percentage.
No Scents is Good Scents. Thats my motto. Just found that over my years of experience there are just to many what ifs that can happen. IMHO Jason
on the scrapes, freshing them yourself definitly works for a period of time that i believe will give you a good window of oprtuntity for a shot. i had a 6 point work a scrape for 5 days in a row, i pee'd in this scrape every morning and he hit it every night, got it all on trail cam, the deer that is, not me! :scared: also figured out if you want to make sure he will NEVER visit the crape again ley your dogs pee in it! :banghead: after i let the dogs whiz in the scrape he would not touch it but would walk around it at a distance, had this on trail cam too. funny thing is does still put their nose right in it. :confused:
Vance, I have trained a couple of dogs to blood trail and had them pass the German test - minimum four hours old and 500 yards long. Had to use treats of pieces of hot dogs to get the dog to stay on blood trails when training. They loose interest if there is no reward. After completing the trail I would give the pup the rest of the pack of hot dogs. About the third time they quit picking up the pieces along the trail and just pull the lead all the way to the end for the big pay off.
For very young pups you can take meat from the freezer and when its thawed use the blood from the package to lay a short trail with the meat trimmings at the end.
Cousin Phil was hunting white tails here in Iowa, but I suspect mulies get stupid for a week or so too.
Big thing with the doe in heat is it being used when deer are not in breeding cycle. It will tend to alert the deer that something ain't right. But I do use a scent called Deer Herd in a Stick, Put out by Border Crossings. Works real well cause it smells just like a bedding area of a deer herd. Makes them curious of who the new deer is both bucks and does!