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Title: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: Al Kidner on December 06, 2008, 01:10:00 AM
G'day all,

Well I'm currently in many stages of the footing process. I did order some of Ted at Raptory Archery a few weeks back for a close mate of mine.

These were spruce footed with Wenge and I must say the craftsmanship was 2nd to none. These were footed straight but I thought I'd try out some spiralling to really bring out the eye candy. Thats what good mates are for arn't they?

Here is a few pics...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/Longbow_lad/FootingShafts003-1.jpg)


And here is me footing my own in my workshop. I've just got to put the cuts into the foots and I'll be set for glue up....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/Longbow_lad/FootingShafts003.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/Longbow_lad/FootingShafts010.jpg)


I'll post some more when I get to the glue up stages.

AK.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/Longbow_lad/FootingShafts018.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/Longbow_lad/FootingShafts008.jpg)
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: Rick P on December 06, 2008, 01:20:00 AM
Wow very nice!


"I love that glorious bastard" General Patton when asked about Rommel.
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Post by: knife river on December 06, 2008, 01:22:00 AM
I'll be watching this one close!  Footing has always looked like magic.
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Post by: Dave Bulla on December 06, 2008, 02:08:00 AM
Do you have some sort of mini router you are cutting the grooves with or is that a dremel in the vise?

What is the jig you are using?  Is it something available for sale or home made?
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: Rick P on December 06, 2008, 02:11:00 AM
Check 3rivers arrow making section Dave.
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: Al Kidner on December 06, 2008, 02:44:00 AM
Dave it's the footing jig from 3Rivers and I put in in a samll trimmer (router) and build a type of platform for it to run along. A bit of tril and error at the start, but in all it works rather good.

al.
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: Ben Maher on December 06, 2008, 03:57:00 AM
Al....very very nice. I'd like to boast that i'd do the same if i had the time....but with all these thumbs i can barely glue my nocks on ! Remind me of the one's Rusty's Feet made. Jealous of the arrows and your skill in making them! Well done mate...they need to get pointed at some chital eh!  Ben
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: Ben Maher on December 06, 2008, 03:59:00 AM
Al....very very nice. I'd like to boast that i'd do the same if i had the time....but with all these thumbs i can barely glue my nocks on ! Remind me of the one's Rusty's Feet made. Jealous of the arrows and your skill in making them! Well done mate...they need to get pointed at some chital eh!  Ben
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on December 06, 2008, 04:10:00 AM
Too deadly, Al!
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Post by: Joseph on December 06, 2008, 05:30:00 AM
Those are good lookin splices!
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Post by: non-typical on December 06, 2008, 05:45:00 AM
Al those are beautiful. So you do both right and left hand twist? :-)
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: Al Kidner on December 06, 2008, 05:54:00 AM
Why naturally mate, to suit whatever wing feathers and bevel heads your shooting...lol.

You like the cap Jo-Jo?
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Post by: J. Adams on December 06, 2008, 06:27:00 AM
Those look sharp, Al!
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Post by: Chris Surtees on December 06, 2008, 06:50:00 AM
Looking good Al   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Toklat1 on December 06, 2008, 08:05:00 AM
VERY Nice!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Shaun on December 06, 2008, 08:11:00 AM
Wow! Keep it coming Al. How about a how-to story?
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Post by: Tree Killer on December 06, 2008, 08:19:00 AM
That's some mighty fine looking craftsmanship Al.    :thumbsup:     :notworthy:
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Post by: wingnut on December 06, 2008, 08:29:00 AM
That's cool!!  Now how did you get the twist in them?

Mike
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Post by: 30coupe on December 06, 2008, 08:53:00 AM
Thanks Mike! I was afraid I was the only one wondering that. I just gotta see pictures of that process!
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Post by: Bjorn on December 06, 2008, 10:12:00 AM
Impressive craftsmanship, especially the twist-it looks like magic. Were they done by Ted Fry at Raptor?
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Post by: MikeW on December 06, 2008, 10:24:00 AM
QuoteThat's cool!! Now how did you get the twist in them?
Yeah, what did you do? Steam them and twist?
Nice work!
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on December 06, 2008, 12:08:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Dave Bulla:
Do you have some sort of mini router you are cutting the grooves with or is that a dremel in the vise?

What is the jig you are using?  Is it something available for sale or home made?
You can make a jig yourself for less than $5.00.

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Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: flint kemper on December 06, 2008, 01:13:00 PM
Al, very nice indeed and as others have said let's see the twisting process. Flint
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Post by: FerretWYO on December 06, 2008, 01:25:00 PM
That looks awesome Al. Thats craftsman ship at in its finest form.
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Post by: steadman on December 06, 2008, 02:05:00 PM
Al your craftsmanship is unreal. Looking forward to the finished product.
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: Al Kidner on December 06, 2008, 06:03:00 PM
Hi fellas,

The footed shafts in the first pic came from Ted at Raptor, I just put the twist in 'em when they landed at my place.

Now to the twist; all I did was soak 'em in warm water for 1/2 an hour while I let a pot of water boil on the stove top. I then placed a shaft over the pot and held in place with a small towel so as not to let any of the steam escape. I waited about 5-10 minutes then pulled the shaft out and twisted it slowly buy hand with a rag as the shaft will be warm.

After I was happy with the amount of twist I then eyeballed the shaft to get it back to stright.

I'm getting the foots of my shafts cut this week so I'll put up a "how to" when I'm done.


al.
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: CJC on December 06, 2008, 06:10:00 PM
i feel embarrassed to ask but whats the deal with footing?  what is its purpose?
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: b.glass on December 06, 2008, 07:10:00 PM
The footing adds wt to the front of the arrow, strength at a common breaking point and it's pretty. Also it is impressive!
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: b.glass on December 06, 2008, 07:10:00 PM
Come on Al! We want more!
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Post by: Joseph on December 06, 2008, 07:22:00 PM
I do like the hat, obviously I have been working to much to notice but I did catch the beard.  Now if you would just let your hair grow out!    :D
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: knife river on December 06, 2008, 08:38:00 PM
Al and/or Ted, what glue did you use to foot the arrows?  It must be waterproof and flexible, which sounds like a demanding combination.  How do the footings hold up after twisting?  Any sign of joint failure?  Anything that beautiful must come with some negative trade-offs (learned that from my wife...).    :readit:    :knothead:    :banghead:
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Post by: vermonster13 on December 06, 2008, 08:44:00 PM
Sweet!
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Post by: dino on December 06, 2008, 09:30:00 PM
Woody,
Rusty Watson used weldwood plastic resin glue.  Its a powder glue that you activate by mixing with water.  Not sure what Ted is using, but Rusty made alot of twisted shafts and he swore by the stuff.  dino
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Post by: bowhunterfrompast on December 06, 2008, 10:22:00 PM
Nice  :thumbsup:  will be following this one.
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: Al Kidner on December 07, 2008, 05:28:00 PM
Woody, I had no failures at all but I did twist 'em slowly so as not to bust out the splices.


AK.
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: goodolboy94 on December 07, 2008, 05:34:00 PM
just a question what is footing
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Post by: Crooked Stic on December 07, 2008, 07:56:00 PM
Them are awsome looking!!
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Post by: Guru on December 08, 2008, 05:27:00 AM
You are a true craftsman Al   :notworthy:  

As usual..top notch   :clapper:  


I sure miss messing with wood arrows
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: b.glass on December 08, 2008, 06:26:00 AM
Goodolboy, footing is the splicing of a harder, heavier wood to the point end of a lighter, easier to keep straight arrow wood. It is either a 2 point footing (splice) or 4 point footing. Which gives it added strength and wt.
Title: Re: Spiral Footing... job done, next !
Post by: Pat B on December 08, 2008, 09:26:00 AM
I believe the Weldwood Plastic Resin is very similar to Urac. I was told about it from a guy from Italy a few years ago and used it on a few backed bows with good results.
 Nice spiraled footed shafts and build along, Al.
   Pat