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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Lechwe on November 23, 2008, 09:55:00 AM
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Looking for pictures of widows without phenolic in them. Planning on ordering a new one and I think I want to drop the phenolic from it but want to see some examples first.
Tell the woods as well.
Thanks
D
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That's the only way I'd order one myself. When you order one without the phenolic they remove the P from the front of the name. I just recieved a 56" SAX cocobolo and kingwood. Will put some pictures up when I get some time....hunting full time the next few days, so give me a bit.
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Okay, so I am new to this. What exactly is phenolic? Why is it used? Why would you decide you want it included in your riser or not? Thanks. ;)
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It's a wood fibre/resin mixture they block out and use as laminates. Widow uses it in their takedown limb butts to eliminate problems from mosture getting into the pin holes. If my bows get wet, I'll just take them apart and let them dry. Never cared for the black phenolic myself.
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Thanks, Mike. I've seen risers on the Morrison site, for instance, made completely of phenolic. What would be the advantage/disadvantage?
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I ordered a Solid Phenolic Riser from Bob and the main reason I ordered that over wood was because of the added mass weight in the riser.
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Phenolic is the same stuff that printed circuit boards are made of. The best reason for using it in as a lamination is it's very tough, virtually non breakable. a layer of phenolic in a riser prety much assures it won't break in half.
Ron
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Thanks for the great replies and for the bit of education...I feel much smarter. :notworthy:
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Here are a couple pics of my Precision SAX cocobolo without he phenolic. I like it for the looks and it is not as heavy.
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c199/BillrK/PrecisionCrafedSAX001.jpg)
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c199/BillrK/PrecisionCrafedSAX002.jpg)
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very nice Bill...thats a keeper!! Marco#78
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Wow! That is a beautiful bow!
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Lechewe,
I just cannot believe how much effort you are going to put into this...
Have them build you a standard plywood one and then get it camo dipped...you already have a pretty one; you need a BEATER!
:knothead:
:goldtooth:
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Careful with the blaspheme, the cult will be knocking on your door. :saywhat:
The one I have is the beater now I need a pretty one. Just look at the one above and tell me that ain't sexy. Heck, it's probably even cheaper than a tricked out ebony "Tip" :biglaugh:
Besides everyone knows your a closet Widow lover and this way there will be one around without you having to admit to owning one. At least until you realize the superiority but we'll worry about that soon enough. ;)
Thanks
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Last time. Anyone else want to add a picture? I'll be placing the order in the next week or two.
Thanks
D
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Another cocobolo, but in the MAX version...
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/lwscott/BWMAX.jpg)
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For some reason they would not resize right, here's the direct links. Coco/Kingwood
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e244/1-Morningstar/DSC00826.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e244/1-Morningstar/DSC00827.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e244/1-Morningstar/DSC00828.jpg
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Boy oh boy those are some pretty widows, don't care for the Phenolic either. :archer:
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(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l182/highcountry_photos/PB290576.jpg)
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l182/highcountry_photos/PB290584-1.jpg)
Pictures I promised, just a little slow.
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I won't ruin this for Lechwe, but when you guys see what he is getting, it will BLOW you away. One of my friends (Lefty Fred here on TG) does some of the exotic woods for BW. We got special dispensation to go to the shop and pick Darrell's riser and limb pieces. Mike has some incredible pieces of wood in his shop. If you are looking for wood to build your new Widow, or any other bow for that matter I would PM him, or check out his website www.rosewoodarchery.com (http://www.rosewoodarchery.com)
And yes, I am a closet Widow lover...I do love the way they look, but they just don't shoot for me.
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I would not give up the phenolic for anything. A buddy and I shoot the same arrow out of the same bow at the same weight and draw length and my bow is faster than his and he does not have the phenolic. I know speed is not everything but it helps. I also don't know if its the phenolic or not. Also, with the little added extra weight the bow is very shock free. I have shot widows since the early 90's and the new ones with the phenolic are the best yet. Just my two cents...
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So how about a picture of one WITH the phenolic? Where do they put it? Is it just a lam or two down through the riser like the black stripes in the first bow shown? I guess those must be ebony since he said it didn't have the phenolic... Or is it in the limb butt itself?
You guys who have the bow with the red stripes in them, isn't that a phenolic strip? Is it just dyed wood or something like diamondwood?
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I was thinking the same thing.
Aren't the red and black accent stripes phenolic?
Carl
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I'm pretty sure the accent stripes are fiberglass. The phenolic is on the limb wedges and extends through the riser of the bow...Mike
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Moosman76 has it right. The smaller stripes are fiberglass. The Phenolic is in the limb wedge continuing on through the riser.
Iron,
I doubt the Phenolic is the reason for the speed difference. That is a non working portion of the bow limb. There must be something different in the limb cores themselves. You make a good point about the mass weight though. That does have me a little concerned since I like the extra weight but I figure I should be able to add a full size quiver to make up for it if needed.
I'll talk to Toby this week and hopefully I'll be able to pick it up in Kazoo so maybe some of you will be able to see it in person. This is the most spectacular piece of would I think I have ever seen. I even got a piece of scrap to make a Knife handle with.
It's like Christmas in November picking out your own wood. Come to think of it it'll be like Christmas all over again when I pick it up :goldtooth:
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(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k71/onestringer/Black%20Widow/BlackWidow-3.jpg)
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The picture of my bow is Bocote. Heavy wood for a riser anyway. Some bows I do not mind the phenolic/synthetic material. My Jack Howard Classics(which I posted some pictures for Jack in the Jack Howard Project thread)have black phenolic. Looks great. The bows shoot very fast. No hand shock, well just no bad issues. Just a super shooter. The Black Widow. I just wanted all wood. Just like the "old" style. My other BW that have phenolic, I can't tell a difference while shooting. No moisture issues here in AZ.
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The Jack Howard Classic is not made from black phenolic but rather is a plastic Jack mixed/formulated himself and poured into a mold that contained a steel rod for handle rigidity.
Phenolic or micarta is either paper or linen laid up in layers with epoxy resin as the binder.
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Watcha got there Onestringer?
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Bubinga and Osage SA, I also have a Bubinga and Yew, I will have to take pictures of. I really like Bubinga because you can substitute the word Bubinga for many other words and make it sound dirty.
Scott