Did anyone hear if she found her Buck yesterday?? The topic seams to be closed.
Check out the Monster Buck thread on page 6. looks like good news....... :)
Yeah I was sitting on pins and needles waiting on the outcome of the "Hawk Buck"!!!!
I cant find the thread either.
The thread she started about the deer still being alive is gone. Last I heard she put two arrows into it and was waiting til morning to resume the search. What happened? It's not on the "Monster buck" thread.
Dan
Yeah she had a new thread up that I read last night called "The Hawk buck" or something like that where after two arrows her and the game warden went to look for it and it was STILL ALIVE!!! Thats one tough buck and one very determined hunter. I hope she gets her hands around those horns, she deserves it!
My guess is that some felt like myself, two days of suffering is extreme. We all know that sometimes this is a fact in the sport we all love. I know how Katy is feeling and I do hope she collects her buck. In my oppinion, yesterday her Game Warden friend should have taken a gun and ended the deers suffering. It is very clear that the deer is not about to heal up and run away. To wait beyond 24hrs for the animal to expire to suffering is not good. The Game Warden in my opinion has showed a lack of good judgement on this one. It is not my desire to draw a dark cloud over Katie's buck. I have followed with enjoyment and good feelings for Katie with all of you, and will continue to follow. However, we owe it to the animals we pursue to end the suffering as soon as we possibly can. I am well aware that many States forbid the use of firearms to dispatch during an archery season. The Game Wardens however have the power and we the power to ask them to intervine and help. I hope Katie finds her buck stone cold dead this am and the chapter closes. If she finds it alive I hope she gets help and does what needs to be done.
I am glad the thread was pulled. Should have ended it by now.
Didn't know folks felt that way. I didn't relish the suffering or anything at all like that, but do seriously desire to hear the outcome, at last. We all agreed, I thought, that it was heart-breaking but we all want to see Katie's determination to do right rewarded.
I still want to know. Sorry.
Pulling the thread won't "end" the suffering of the animal. Unfortunately, we are witnessing the drama of a hunter's worst nightmare, but there are lessons in it as well. Oh well, the thread is gone. I hope we finally hear the end of the saga.
Dan
Yes, unfortunately we cater to some very PC folks on here. It's amazing what a hunting site can consider un-acceptable.
Good luck Katie!
I feel the need to make an appology to everyone for updating on an inhumane story! I truly do not believe that this could have bothered anyone more than it has haunted me. I shoot around 50 arrows a day and am crazy about my set-up being perfectly tunned. I only take shots 15 yards and under. That is obviously not enough. I have been at this sport since childhood with a Pearson. Have harvestd many small game animals. Felt very confident that I could take a whitetail with no problem using my custom bow. Not really sure what happened.
Katie
QuoteOriginally posted by Apex Predator:
Yes, unfortunately we cater to some very PC folks on here. It's amazing what a hunting site can consider un-acceptable.
Good luck Katie!
yep, it really has shocked sometimes.
pm sent. dont let some whiney holier than thou jerk get ya down. keep at it, youll get er done. i do have to say though, if anyone can claim they have never wounded a deer:
1) they are lieing
2) they are a total NOOB and have no business posting their opinion.
I for one have been here right along with all these threads and am bothered by the removal of the threads but realize we must respect the moderators decisions. I'm not sure what about the threads were not "PC". Fact of the matter is it happens to the best of us and Katie has taught us all a very important lesson through this ordeal. She is one very determined individual and without a doubt we will all try just that little bit harder next time we are unsure of a shot or blood trail. And thats a fact. Skippy
Katie, Best of luck to you in finding your buck. Let us know the outcome of today. Keep your head up.
I'll second that!
Keep your head up Katie. I had one get away this year on what I know was a mortal hit. I looked hard but to my shame, no where near the effort you have put in. Good luck.
QuoteOriginally posted by katie:
I feel the need to make an appology to everyone for updating on an inhumane story! I truly do not believe that this could have bothered anyone more than it has haunted me. I shoot around 50 arrows a day and am crazy about my set-up being perfectly tunned. I only take shoots 15 yards and under. That is obviously not enough. I have been at this sport since childhood with a Pearson. Have harvestd many small game animals. Felt very confident that I could take a whitetail with no problem using my custom bow. Not really sure what happened.
Katie
You have nothing to apologize for Katie. You are doing the correct and ethical thing. I do think the Warden should have shot the deer. That not withstanding as soon as everyone with a bow and arrow kills everything they shoot at with one arrow and have it die within seconds of impact then maybe we could start to fret over such things. Until then I'll just :banghead: over micro management and political correctness.
QuoteOriginally posted by ohiobowhunt:
QuoteOriginally posted by katie:
I feel the need to make an appology to everyone for updating on an inhumane story! I truly do not believe that this could have bothered anyone more than it has haunted me. I shoot around 50 arrows a day and am crazy about my set-up being perfectly tunned. I only take shoots 15 yards and under. That is obviously not enough. I have been at this sport since childhood with a Pearson. Have harvestd many small game animals. Felt very confident that I could take a whitetail with no problem using my custom bow. Not really sure what happened.
Katie
You have nothing to apologize for Katie. You are doing the correct and ethical thing. I do think the Warden should have shot the deer. That not withstanding as soon as everyone with a bow and arrow kills everything they shoot at with one arrow and have it die within seconds of impact then maybe we could start to fret over such things. Until then I'll just :banghead: over micro management and political correctness. [/b]
what he said! sure, if ya didnt feel bad about making a bad hit on a hit, something would be wrong. but for one or two people to complain about a thread that shows nothing but determination and taking the recovery effort to the nth degree, well, someone needs to appologize to YOU! not the other way around.
In deffense of the Warden he did not have his weapon with him. He was off duty helping a neighbor. I to had wished that he could have ended it. He said from all the clues that he never thought he would have needed it. In respect for the moderators I will not post on this buck again. Sorry everyone.
Katie
I agree Katie. You have been a shining example of what we should all strive for in our hunting/tracking. This is a story that needs to be told. I would make it a sticky at the top of the board. I guess that's why I'm not a moderator. :)
you're good people, Katie! A great example for all to follow. You are welcome to hunt with me anytime........and its very rare that I make such an offer!!
It is not and should not be the job or responsibility of a game warden to finish our job.
Steve
I wish I knew how best to say this, so I'll just muddle through...
I'm disappointed to not be able to follow through on Katie's trial. This is by all intents and purposes a very "extreme" situation that might have helped me learn more.
However, let's not jump to conclusions on why the moderators or the site chose to close and pull the thread.
If I remember, there were some who started to speculate on it being a gut shot, even though both Katie and the warden saw the entrance holes right where it belonged tight behind the shoulder...but it'd stopped bleeding, etc...(from memory of course).
This is a great site. The mods and the owners do a lot and put up a lot of time and money to make it happen! If they "sense" something going south on a topic, they have to do what they think best.
We don't know what got posted that might have clicked the delete button. So let's just support Katie through PM's and hope for the best.
I'd have liked to have learned more about the conclusion of this event to learn should similar situation ever hit me, but again, this is a private site and the folks involved put a lot into this for our pleasure.
Let's continue to support Katie and the retrival of her deer...but let's be supportive of this site we all love so much and NOT jump to conclusions about PC and other issues related to whatever decision was made.
Now help an old man down off his soapbox before a break a hip! :)
QuoteOriginally posted by SteveB:
It is not and should not be the job or responsibility of a game warden to finish our job.
Steve
so if a warden is in the woods with ya AND HAS A GUN, and you see a deer that is suffering but cant be hit with an arrow, he should not shoot?
maybe the mod's are thinking about all the anit- hunters seeing this posted this is a web site anyone can read. sad that we have to think this way but we must. what happened to katie could happen to any of us on our afternoon hunt today. i don't like giving in to the anti's but we need to do what is best for everyone. I do PR work for a large ele. company and you can not and will not make everyone happy. katie please don't give up deer hunting because of this
doug77
QuoteOriginally posted by deermaster1:
QuoteOriginally posted by SteveB:
It is not and should not be the job or responsibility of a game warden to finish our job.
Steve
so if a warden is in the woods with ya AND HAS A GUN, and you see a deer that is suffering but cant be hit with an arrow, he should not shoot? [/b]
Thats right - unless its gun season, he is hunting and plans to tag it himself.
Steve
If PC is the worry, then why are all the pics of harvested animals allowed?
Im disappointed they pulled this thread. It taught a lot, had the potential to teach more and I, for one, was really interested in seeing the outcome.
Hunting is about killing. There isnt sugar coating. Sometimes, bad things happen, and it is our duty to do all we can to see it through. Katie was doing just that.
Again... speculation won't get us what we desire. Opinions are plentiful and we each can have different ones without anyone being 'right' or "wrong."
Our High School baseball coach once was quoted saying,"If?...IF, IF my Aunt was built different, she'd be my Uncle"...
Nothing to be gained by speculating other'n to have this break down into a spitting match. In deferance to Katie's situation, and how awful we know she feels, can we just let this lie!?
Many of us have had similar things happen we can't figure out or explain when pursuing animals with weapons of all sorts. We can run the secenario in our minds--a thousand times...and it seems our choices were solid.
We can't know...(good gradeschool teacher logic when knowing is impossible) :) what happened with her shot NOR why the thread was deleted.
Nothing good can come from continuing to speculate or banter on that which is history.
Let's just pull for Katie to get closure
Katie,
I think everyone here would like to hear the outcome and see your pictures if all goes well. I don't believe for one minute that anyone thinks you did anything unethical. Your experience is a big reality in our sport of hunting no matter what tool/device is used. Many of us have wounded and lost game, it happens, how long those animals suffer is unknown because the animal was not found in most cases,you just found your animal. Sometimes what happens in the woods is best staying in the woods. We as hunters never know who is watching and reading. We need to make sure that the dark side of our sport is not exsposed to those that might use it against us. The decision to pull the thread was a good one in my opinion. Don't let this experience change your desire to bow hunt Katie. This has happened to the best of us and will continue to, it's reality. Not every shot will hit the x, no matter how much we practice or how good a shoot you are. Let us know if you find your buck we would all like to know how you make out.
Good posts by Doc and Hunt it - time to let it go.
Steve
STEVE B,
Sorry you feel that way. If an animal is suffering and you/I cannot finish it off with archery gear and it is illegal to take a gun out and do it. You are in favour of letting it suffer? That I consider unethical,I would contact the Game Warden and ask him to give me the ok to take a firearm and do so. If he says no, he better get over and take care of it himself.
I just stopped in and saw this thread.
My 2 cents is that I would like to read an on going search and recovery effort for a wounded animal.
It is much better than the typical "I'm sure it will be alright" or "I couldn't find it so I shot another" type of statement we hear from some.
I say keep looking and good luck.
BigArcher
Its a possible path for the course we choose.
We do not need to promote the perception that firearms may be needed to finish our job because our equipment did not get it done.
Please note I said "perception" - a very real possiblity from either non hunters or gun huunters.
Steve
Steve H. agrees with SteveB.
Think about the implications if everytime someone doesn't put one down in some predetermined amount of time if everyone started screaming like Chicken Little, "OH MY GOD GET A GUN"!!! BAAAAAAA!!!!!
QuoteOriginally posted by SteveB:
Good posts by Doc and Hunt it - time to let it go.
Steve
Good posts by ALL. These are all very improtant topics. Everyone knows whats going on with Katie by now and we'll all just sit back and anxiously await for a new post with pics of a happy smiling Katie. BEst of luck
I'm dissappointed the thread was pulled but I'll trust the Mods judgement. I just hope it wasn't PC related, Katie has been outstanding! Maybe Terry will jump in and give us an update since this thread has been followed so closely by so many.
katie,
I sure am sorry that your hunt went the way it did. :( I've been pulling for you, too.
Rusty
First, all those hollering "PC" have no clue why we pull threads, when we choose to pull them. Nothing is done on Tradgang in an effort to be (or not be) politically correct. We have a few simple rules: respect, discussions centered on and around traditional bowhunting, and in short, anything we can do to further the traditional bowhunter's way of life. If it falls outside those rules, it's pulled. Sometimes, we must make a decison in a gray area...in our best efforts to keep the site on track. If you have a question or concern about why something is/was pulled SIMPLY ASK ADMIN OR A MODERATOR IN PRIVATE, VIA EMAIL OR PM...MAKING A PUBLIC SPECTACLE WITH MULTIPLE POSTS REGARDING HOW SOMETHING IS WRONG/UNFAIR ETC WILL DO NOTHING TO HELP YOUR POSITION.
Katie has called the search to an end...let's move on.