Trad Gang

A few guys on here that I've visited with on the phone know I've been on a mission to call a lion into the bow. To date I've had one in with no chance of a shot. I've called coyotes for years to weapons other than the bow and they are on the list also. Getting the shot with a bow is a real tough one.
I had a coyote at 20 yds a month ago but dared not swing the bow.

Anyone working on the same goal would be interested in the last couple Predator extreme magazines, Dec and the one prior.

Dr, Charles R Shawley  has done some research on how the predators see camo patterns that is really a eye opener. Green shows up yellow to the coyote and cat. Pretty cool stuff with photos what they see compared to what we see. Lots of the real popular patterns are not very good for the predators.

If you hunt the hunters this will help, if you can find them.

Well then I must have looked like a big "yellow" bush.....

In 2000 I killed an 85# coyote at 7 yards while sitting on a piece of chunk wood along a logging road.

I was wearing a pair of forest green Johnson's wool pants,and a forest green Johnson's wool jacket. I always thought I looked like a short fat pine tree.

QuoteOriginally posted by woodchucker:
I was wearing a pair of forest green Johnson's wool pants,and a forest green Johnson's wool jacket. I always thought I looked like a short fat pine tree.

:scared:    Thats one dang big coyote!!

Not being smart but I don't see why if a predator sees green as yellow it would make a difference in camo selection since bushes are green and leaves are green unless you are hunting wear there is not any green in the background.  I will check that out I love hunting predators.

:D  I knew I'd get the usual comments.
Again, if your serious about hunting the predators with trad tackle, this is a must read.

They key on movement, the contrast's are very important to know if your gonna fool their eye. A red plaid shirt can be better than most camo during a certain season. Solid geen would match dryed grass in the fall,wool has zero shine compared to most new camo.

Early morning light will up your odds on coyote but the cat misses no movement at any light condition.

I wanna know more bout this.

Do I need to read more ? OR will ya share more with us-uns (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d171/IronBull_/Smileys/beggingpleasesmiley.gif)

This is my year for a cat, I can't wait!!!! For getting cats in movement is key and passing up yots as well as others, The Lion is the last one you will see if you see it at all. I promis it will see you before you will see it just don't move....

Vance, there's a few pics with the article's that say more than I can explain by one finger typing. You have a gullie and when the photos are filtered to the colors the predators see you'd be amazed at how well it works for them.

Blueline, Your right on the money. I've been experminting with decoys with some luck. The cats are gonna see the movement, what I'm working on is fooling them into coming to the movement.
A hunting buddy who uses a different weapon got one at 3 paces, couldn't figure out what he was.

Back in the day when I lived close to the family farm in Kansas I used to call predators quite a bit.  I actually enjoyed that type of hunting above all others.  Never with a bow though!  I seemed to have a lot of success at night, especially with snow on the ground.  The bobcats were easier for me to see then, and I seemed to be able to get them closer.

Brian

"wool has zero shine compared to most new camo."

I think that is a big part of it!! The material has a lot to do with being seen.

I chased down a copy of that magazine. This has always been intriguing to me. Most hunting I get is in open sage bush. Not all but by far the majority of it. I have always been of the belief, that if you can confuse the predators, you would have a pretty good handle on the game. Howsomever that's just how this ole balding Bull figures it. Recon there will be exceptions to every rule.

I'd be happy just upping my odds   (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d171/IronBull_/Smileys/smile-rubhans.gif)

A friend called in and shot (with a rifle) 132 coyotes last year in eastern Oregon. I have a trip planned with him later this month. I am bringing a bow and a rifle. So, are you saying they recommend green pants and a red plaid shirt? He may not want to take me out with that on! lol  It sounds like their eyes are definitely different than deer's...? I don't know if I can find this magazine here in Eugene. Anymore info. would be appreciated Roughcountry.

I re read the first part of the article in the oct. issue. I miss spoke on the green color. Coyotes and the cats don't see red at all and see yellow as yellow, light green is seen as bright yellow and the darker you get into green the preadator's see as white. Black is seen as black.
Now if you put that all together, you can see where movement is the real tough one. with normal camo sold for prey animals most of it would hilight movement.
Coyotes are near sighted and would see most camo as a dark blob at anything over 50 yds. High def camo would mean nothing to a near sighted critter.

In the pictures with the colors removed that the predators don't see and the ones added that they do see, the gilli is king.

Some other camos would work if you could hide movement. At our ranges with stick and string trying to draw the bow is the chore. I know from experiance that a lion could teach the prey animals a thing or three about jumping the string.

Snag, I know the country you will hunt. When I redo my homemade guillie I'll give you the colors I choose for our ground in the fall.
Still trying to decide acording to this info.

Thanks! I do have a store bought ghilli top and pants. Kind of a light olive green to a dark green and black. In close to a coyote I would think a recurve would be a good choice. You would have to draw and release quickly to have a chance, unless he was turned away from you...?

Sounds like a study worthy of intense research...I volunteer to write the grant application letter for you Robin...then you just invite me up when you got it all figured out.    :rolleyes:

my freind says asat camo for coyotes,deer.it messes with them.

:D  Your on JC. I'm sure not gonna be as good a cook as your used to, but I got a couple recipes for roadkill that have kept me from starving.

Lots of things to think about with this info. Two other things he metioned is the color needs to fit the  season and the pattern has to be large.

I think asat and predator camo would work better than most if the color was seasonal and they were well worn.

Well gents, until you get the predators to really tell you what they see, you can do no more than guess, based on the make-up of the predator's eye.   All the research in the world still shows that the main ingredient for predators being predators is smell and movement.
Yellow, not moving is a bush...green, not moving is another bush.

SO what do you use for a decoy....Something on a string so you can move it with part of your body so you can distract them while you draw???

Jer Bear

QuoteThey key on movement, the contrast's are very important to know if your gonna fool their eye. A red plaid shirt can be better than most camo during a certain season. Solid geen would match dryed grass in the fall,wool has zero shine compared to most new camo.  

So maybe that's how I got this dog coyote in close enough for a shot. I was wearing green wool pants and a red plaid wool coat.    :archer:  

  (http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Coyote-with-a-bow.jpg)

RC ya be careful!  I am sure you are expert.  A friend who does a lot of calling had a grown bob cat jump on his hat from behind.  Not sure what the bob cat liked about the hat.  bad thing was his hat was one his head.  friend came out with jsut a couple of claw marks and a heck of a story.

I think a big cat might be different!!!! YIKES

rusty

Woodchucker a 85lb Coyote come on even up here in Canada 45lbs is  a very large Coyote  :knothead:    :banghead:    

A 45 lb. with the best part of a poodle in his belly = 85 lb.

Right on the money George!!

Nice one Ron!!!

Roughcountry: Seen any kittys yet??? I am in the middle of my black out time at work so I cant get out, Soon I will be calling though!!!

blueline

Also there is the way the material will be seen by the predator, I have seen a similar study with artificial cloth and natural cloth and with different detergents used to do laundry it is hard to believe the difference under some animals color range.

Jerry Wald, I haven't done any yote hunting but when I hunted foxes we used to use that little ball with the raccon tail on it that rolls around on the ground (if you haven't seen em we used to get them in a "prank" store in the mall).  We then would field dress a small teddy bear, rabbit, etc... removing all the stuffing and put this ball inside it.  Dying rabbit call and that thing flopping around on the ground the foxes never even glanced our way...Mike

Thanks for bringing this up Robin , definitely on my list of things to do this winter.
Vance , when ya get done with the mag pass it this way.

Thanks - I will see what I can do about that

Jer Bear

Nice yote Ron

Set up in the shade and not the sun.

85 pounds?  that would be a world record
The heaviest confirmed is 75,although there is also some info on a 81 pounder from NY so maybe this is woodchuckers although the 81 was taken in 2005.

good stuff Robin...I gotts go get those to read the articles......I hope to do a lot of calling this winter.....