I'm looking at possibly "One More" [that's what I tell her] 3 piece re-curve. I'm not familiar with these but, seems in the post's the these are good choices. Can those of you, who have shot and have some experience with them them please give me a comparison? Also if you were to looking at buying a new bow which would be your choice? I prefer Craftsman ship, grip comfort, loudness of bow, customer care, and Speed, in that order.
Any impressions you can help with will be great.
Thank you, Gene
Sorry I can't help you with comparisons, as I only have the Silvertip. I'm very happy with it, and for all those qualities you mentioned.
I think you should get all three!
After 2 years of reading and trying to make up my mind on my first custom bow, I ordered a Silvertip. I don't get it until May. I can't wait! :archer:
Gene you know you can't have just one LOL! I haven't shot the bows you mention but i've been around alot of recurves in my time and so far the Robertson has been the best. It has all of the qualities you mention including an incredibly comfortable grip, and is one of the quietest recurves i've ever had! You know you've got to shoot them to decide for sure, so now you have four on your list LOL! Good luck with this choice Bud!
Ken
Gene,
Owened them all at the same time, sold all but my Silvertip and the sale of the other 2 funded the purchase of 2 more Silvertip curves :biglaugh: . Grip is perfect, workmanship is equal to the other 2 you have mentioned, silent w/ a little brace height fine tuning and wooly whispers and the speed is there, sneaky albeit but it is a very hard hitting bow meaning it sends the arrow with authority. I just plain love em! I have sold ALL my other curves excpet for my Dye trail's end which if I find another Silvertip to buy it could be next on the chopping block.
Kevin
Gene, I've owned all three of the bows you mentioned, all very nice! Of the three, I preferred the Blacktail. But... I'm gonna take the same road as Ken, and make things a little more interesting. After shooting all you mentioned, and a few more, the one I've settled on is a Dale Dye, Kempf Kwyk Styk a very close second!!! The first 3 preferences you listed are what sold me on the Dye, haven't had an opportunity to speak with Dale yet, but from what I hear customer care is not a problem, and the speed is in the same neighborhood as the others mentioned. Just my view. Guss
Gene, I've owned all of them too and I'm w/ Guss on the Dye.....they just fit me well and hit where I look. Now the sad part, I no longer own a Dye, but I'm keepin' an eye peeled for another.
Thanks guys. This is getting tougher. Sure wish there was a way to try some of these out however Trad. shops are scarce in my area. No one at the small local shoots I have attended have had any of these I could shoot and try. Guess I'll wait to choose in a day or two as the wife is always calling me "sporatic". I'll go try and find some more posts on the ones you just mentioned,
thanks again,
Gene
Never owned a Blacktail. I had a Silvertip and two Morrison's (a Shawnee and a Cheyenne) both with foam core limbs. They are just too different to compare. Both are really excellent in all respects. The Morrison's are FAST and smooth, but the Silvertip was probably the smoothest shooter I've had. We are talking very subjectional and minute differences though. The Silvertip is a pretty heavy risered bow, IMHO. I like that and I love it's grip. They helped me shoot better. The Morrison's are lighter physically and I had a distinct preference for the Cheyenne's riser design. Great, great bows anyway you look at it. Man, to make this decision without putting them all in your hands at the same time is just almost impossible.
I own a Blacktail and a Morrison Cheyenne and a Dale Dye. I have owned several Silvertips. For me, I shoot all three the same. All are within a couple of fps for speed, the Dye is the quietest with the Blacktail being second and Cheyenne third for quiet. The grips are similar with the Blacktail being a bit thinner in the grip area. The Blacktail and Dye are medium grips and the Cheyenne is a high wrist grip. The Silvertip grip just did not fit me well,otherwise great bows.
Another to consider is the Brackenbury Quest and the Robertson Falcon. I have a Quest and a Robertson Gryfalcon, they are right there with my other bows for speed, quiet and looks.
Of them all I could not choose if I had to downsize to just one bow, like I said I shoot them all equally well.
If you are looking for a bow for right away, I would check out Bob Morrison's and Dick Robertson's site as they both have instock bows. Otherwise for the Dye,Blacktail and Brack you are looking at a very long wait, over a year for each.
Danny
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I am almost the exact opposite as Danny...the Silvertip grip fits me perfect. I could NOT get used to the grip on the Blacktail. The only Morrison I have owned was a Shawnee. Nice bow, but not the ONE. For 2 or 3 years, I traded one bow after another till I finally got a hold of the Silvertip. That is something YOU need to decide, you are going to have to try the ones you would like to own.
I'm in the same boat Gene. Not much going on here in trad so to try a different bow I usually have to buy one of them.
Last on my list of those bows would be the Blacktail. Although beautifully crafted, the grip on the one I had felt too small and I just didn't shoot it well.
The Dye has a nice palm-filling grip that I like and as Danny says, they are quiet.
My 3 favorites are Silvertip,Silvertip, Silvertip! I own a bunch of them!!
I have owned 3 Morrisons, shot several Silvertips, both very nice bows. Then I shot a Dale Dye, which for me is the perfect combination of speed, accuracy (hits where I look), grip, quietness and workmanship second to none. I have owned 6 , I have 3 right now and I am going to order another. Yes, the wait is long, but you can easily buy one like new and enjoy it until yours arrives. Dale is a fantastic person to deal with.
Frank
I have not shot the Silvertips, so I cannot speak about them. I do have many other bows, most of them 3 piece takedowns. I have Morrisons in the Cheyenne, Shawnee and ILF models. They are all great, but the one I shoot the best (by a very slim margin) is a Mini-14 ILF riser with foam/carbon Dakota longbow limbs. The Cheyennes and the Shawnees are close behind. I do like my Blacktails and even have one on order at this time, but the grip is not as comfortable for me as the Morrisons and I do not prefer the heavier weight of the riser. The Blacktails are, to my eye, the prettiest bow made and they shoot very well too. The Morrisons shoot better for me and are some faster. The craftsmanship of the Blacktails is incredible, but the main advantage it has in that respect is the sheer beauty of the bow, not that others are not just as well made from a functional standpoint. I definitely agree with Danny Rowan that the Brackenbury bows, particularly the Quest and the Non-Typical, should also be at or near the top of your list when it comes to a 3 piece takedown. If Kevin (Limbow) says the Silvertips are great, he should know, but a Brackenbury, a Morrison, a Blacktail, or several other brands of bow could be the best for you. Like you, I also love my Shrews, but there is no way I would give up the Bracks or the Morrisons, and I'm not going to cancel my order for another Blacktail either. If I could only keep one 3 piece takedown, I would either pick a Morrison or one of my Brack Quests, and based upon how well I shoot my Morrison ILF, I would probably end up with it. Fortunately, I don't have to make that choice, which is why I have 30+ bows on my rack with more on order. If anyone wants to send me a Silvertip or a Dale Dye to try to prove to me it is the best, I am willing to try one or both out and return the bow sometime within the next couple of years. ;)
Allan
Allan, now that right there is funny,LOL.
30+ bows, wow, I do not feel so bad now,LOL. Next time my wife says something about a new bow I am gonna show here this thread, maybe that will make her shut up, LOL.
Danny
Gene,
I also own several of each in different weights and lengths. Keeping in mind your preferences, I would have to go with the Silvertip. But, you can't go wrong with any one of them. The only advise I would give is try to shoot all three before you purchase one. As far as I'm concerned, the grip is the most important factor. Decide what style grip you perfer for your shooting style. Do you like a high wrist, low wrist ect. These are decisions you will have to make before you place your order. I would hate to wait a year only to discover that the bow doesnt fit you or your style of shooting. Just my opinion!
Thank's to all of you for all of your information and suggestions. Now, to just decide based on all of the wonderful info. you have all supplied.
Gene
I have a Blacktail. I love the grip on it. It's a very quiet bow upon arrow release. No handshock and very smootyh drawing. I ordered a second Blacktail in September. I have small hands so I sent a tracing to Norm and the grip for my bow hand is perfect.
Never shot a Slivertip,shot a few Morrison's, I've owned two Blacktails and still have one. Nothing wrong with the Morrison but I like the Blacktail better. I'm about to place an order for a one piece Blacktail. If Brackenbury made a one piece recurve I'd order one.
As you can see it is definitely a personal perference thing Gene. When it comes down to it, who is spending the money and who is going to be shooting it? You need to actually try these bows out to know for sure what is the bow for you. I bought and sold a few bows just so I could try them out and see for myself. I now have the bows I love and shoot well. It is fun to voice our opinions and why we feel like we do about our bows. But it is your experience that matters.
I have never owned a Morrison but have owned plenty of silvertips and blacktails. I prefer the silvertips to all other bows I have tried with the blacktails in 2nd. As dumb as it sounds I actually shoot the blacktail better but just prefer my tips. Both excellent bows that you will not go wrong with either one. I have never ordered a morrison because I always thought they were made buy different guys in a shop not Mr. Morrison himself and If I am going to drop that kind of dough I want the best and not take a chance on who will make it. If this is incorrect please let me know. Good luck in your search!
James (Robhood),
Bob Morrison does not do all the work on every bow, just as many bowyers do not. The Morrison risers are prepared to the individual customer's specifications and are glued up by others in Bob's shop after the wood is cut in the initial preparation. Then the risers are all roughed out on a CNC machine which gives them a very uniform start. Bob Morrison then personally shapes EVERY riser to the customer's desires. The limbs are made up by others in Bob's shop too. If one of Bob's famous grip carvings has been ordered, there is a girl who was trained by Bob who will do the carving. Bob oversees all aspects of the construction of each bow and then shoots them himself to make sure everything came out to his very high standards. One of the advantages of the Morrisons is that different limbs can be used on the same riser, so changing things around or selling the various components is easy to do. Bows like the Blacktails and Brackenburys are made entirely by one person, and nothing except the strings are interchangeable. Those bows are more fitted and arguably more attractive because of that. They certainly don't shoot better than the Morrisons and are definitely not as versatile. I love all of them and would not say any one is better than the other. The same is probably true with the Dale Dye and Silvertip bows, although I don't really know that for a fact since I don't have any. I do know that the Morrisons are absolutely the highest of quality, hand-made, custom bows that are the equal of the best made. Bob Morrison has a very small staff who all have great expertise in what they do. Furthermore, Bob is intimately involved in everything that goes on in his shop. I do not think you should discount his bows just because he does not perform every operation in their construction. However, if you want a bow made entirely by one person, there are a number of incredible bowyers out there who can make you a bow all by themselves - Bill Howland, Norm Johnson, Gregg Coffey, Dale Dye, Chad Holm, just to name a few, and there a plenty more. Whatever you decide, you will not "take a chance" if you buy a Morrison. It will be one of the best. And if you don't like it, you can send it back to Bob within a month and he will refund your money. You can't do better than that!
Allan
It doesn't matter too much what we think. In the end it comes down to what you like.
I've owned all three but only kept the Blacktail. The others were great shooting bows, but didn't measure up. Folks have made some excellent recommendations of other bows -- you might also think about Black Douglas and Centaur. Lots of great bows out there to choose from.
Gene, I think you should get all three and decide for yourself :D .
But then, you know me, I'd recommend thowing an SR Swift into the equation. Oh, what a fun predicament to be in!
I have 3 Morrison Shawnee bows,2 with foam core and carbon limbs.
They are the best bows I have owned.
The foam core and carbon limbs are very smooth and quiet.And the quality is second to none.
Bob's a great guy to deal with also.
good luck,
Ken
What is the link for Dale Dye bows? Thanks!
Dale Dye has no web/email. Phone only-Old school, I love it!
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Hey Guys, Just want to thank all of you for your thoughts on the bows I was asking about. Great news!! I did not have to buy one after all. I made a swap for a 64" Fast Flite "Silvertip with factory camo under clear Glass limbs, checkered,antler limbolts, and horn nocks. It will be 58# @ my draw weight. It's about 4 years old and looks to be in Great Shape.
Along with that, I got a good buy on a 62" 57# T/D recurve built buy Dale Stahl.
2 Great t/d's to take on the plane for my next falls AK. Moose and Black Bear hunt with my brother who lives in Anchorage. I'M Stoked.
Thanks again,
Gene