i just set my trail cam on an active scrape as i want to see if if peeing in a scrape auctuall works. i set the cam on video to see the reaction. the scrape is at the head of a trail leading to a feild that MANY deer use so i can see the reaction of does as well. i pee'd in it just before i set the camera. also going to bring my dog Norman who is a big Newfoundland and have him go in it to. ole Norman can pee for 2 straight minutes and it stinks, that should really throw off the deer!
Ken,
I don't think the deer can distinguish the difference in the smell of pee. However, I can guarantee they will be able to smell where you or the dog were standing and peeing.
I wouldn't think the pee would bother them, but the particles or smell from Norman's fur, foot pads, your clothes, boots, hair, etc. would be the smell a deer picks up on.
Try peeing in it without Norman there first, and then take him. I'm curious to see the results.
O'Yeah, drink a big ol glass of water before you leave the house. :D
i will wait a couple days to take Norm. i had 3 cups of coffee this morning before i went over so it will also test the coffee drinking debate to as many think coffee smells strong when you pee.
I'd be interested to see the pics as long as you remember turn the cam off before you pee. SKippy :knothead:
QuoteOriginally posted by imskippy:
I'd be interested to see the pics as long as you remember turn the cam off before you pee. SKippy :knothead:
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Remember, deer can't read, so you don't have to try to spell your name.
This will be an interesting experiment. May have to try this with dirthole and post sets for trapping coyotes as well.
This is going to be interesting....
when i went to guide school out in montana in the 80's.while in the back country we all used this one tree to pee at at camp..within days the deer had dug a sizeable hole down at that spot.
I did just that last night and here is a two pic sequence of the results. Another forkhorn came in this morning on the same scrape.
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I want to know how you trained your dog to pee on command.
Every time I find a scrape I pee in it. Usually within a couple of days the scrape is twice as large. My best effort about 5 years ago resulted in a scrape over 8 feet long! Now there is a building lot there for sale.
Try farting in it ;)
Ray ;)
You realize you are gonna have pics of some North country hotties coppin' a squat. Don't post 'em here; it's a family site. There are sites that would like them though.
I found a BIG scrape in front of my tree stand this morning!!!!! Unfortunatly, I didn't have to go.....
Got To Thinkin'... Maybe if I use my outhouse as a blind I can kill a 12 Pointer! Great Idea Ken!
... mike ... :p ...
You're not thinking of bottling and selling it are you?
adkmountainken 69!
Just be sure to use a funnel. Those bottles are tiny.
Fred Trost host (former) of previous show called "Michigan Outdoors" dispelled all of these scent rumours years ago. So much so that Buck Scents sued him, put him out of business.
I think the judge ruled that Fred was correct, buck he couldn't slander Buck Scents and was therefore found liable, even though he was correct in his research.
Anyone else recall this!!!
hopefully i'll have video tommorow as deer were moving tonight in that area.
featherman:
I remember the show; probably moved west before the contraversy... I will do some checkin.
There was a person on this site ( or his twin) that started a rumor about his sucess being do too his use of tampons. To quote him " you tie them up on branches- what do you think those strings are for?".
I remember that fall.... a LOT of people believed him !!!!!!! We will never know the cost measured in divorces and explantions of fishing through the bathroom wastebaskets....
I also recall the efforts of antihunting groups at one time that were invading hunting areas with full bladders and peeing everywhere to ruin our hunting.
:rolleyes:
Brian,
I must admit I've used tampons for scent wicks. They were UNOPENED when I aquired them. They make great scent wicks, hold lots of scent and you can tie 'em to a branch with the string! No I'm not kidding.
tampons work great for scent wicks. Seems like common sense to me, either pay 4.99 for a package of 3 scent wicks or buy a box of unscented tampons for 2 bucks
hey maybe i'll ask my wife to..... on secound thought i like my nose where it is and all my teeth in working order!!!
I dare you Ken HaHa
Fred Trost used a variety of scents that included his urine that he collected in a two litre drink bottle, ammonia and some other scents. Found Buck stop was the least effective scent of all!!!
Be nice to find the information and will be interesting to see the pics from "adkmountainken's" experiment.
I try to keep my hunting simple, I hunt where the does are when the rut hits...
I have tried peeing in scrapes this year and it works. A guy on another forum i go to got me and others tryin this. He had many trail cam pics from last year and all he did was pee in them, but he did put on rubber gloves to clear the leaves and such from the scrap so as not to leave sent from his hands, also turn cam off before peeing. I did it this year and have had deer comming to the scrapes.
Never heard of that one.But i have heard of useing a womens tampon or plug as an attractant scent.They say deer and women have the same chemistry or scent.Never tryed it.To scared to ask a women for her rag,might get slaped.
I made a fake scrape this morning bent over a sapling tied it down to 4 ft off the ground, cleared the leaves with a stick and took a pee in it. We will see in a couple days.
Terry
i think the Wensel brothers used tampons in the "old days" if my memory is correct...they weren't "new"..and they had pretty good success! Maybe one of them is listening. :eek:
i have to go back over and adjust the settings i guess to "high" quality. atleast you can tell human pee does not scare themm. hope to have better pic's and video tomorrow. i believe the first pic is a buck, not sure. figures i get the pic's but the quality sucks!!
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good job bud... :thumbsup:
Thanks for sharing.I had a bowhunter from Indiana tell me try that a few years ago.I try it my next time during the rut at a new place I,d never hunted.He told me one more thing to pour on the scape before peeing in it some cheap womans purfume.I,ve have not try it sense but I think I will this year.I had three different bucks fighting over a doe that morning taking a nice 8 point.Terry
ok, went back over and changed the settings for better pic's and video. here is a pic of the scrape at the base of a pine tree. the pine tree also has a large, fresh rub that he has hit twice in the last week. i "refreshed" the scrape again.
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:thumbsup:
kool. great pic's
holy cow i didn't even notice untill i played the slide show that the secound picture is a buck!! you can see it better when you play slide show on my pictures folder! so we got a pic of him on the first night!
I just lightened up the second one in my software and it's a buck. The first one is a big doe from the looks of it.
yup, i did the same. wish i had a view of his rack. it is a really small piece of woods 50 arcres or so bordered by houses and 1 farm so it should be a great study area with the trail cam unless of course i get a shot at our host!
I just messed with it some more Ken. He appears to be a small six. He has forks on the ends with very short brow tines.
Vermonster
will you please mess with it until its a big 10 point !!!
Wait two or three years and your wish will come true Brian.
hope i get some video of him rubbing the tree as it is a pretty big tree and there are some deep gouges in it, he must be hitting it pretty hard. once the rut heats up he will be pretyy easy to pattern as there are 2 main trails used to get to the field and i am the only one with permission to hunt there. lots of does there to hold his interest.
Good post...keep us informed.
This is good stuff!
ok this dam camera is driving me nuts but i will figure it out, took small pic's again on the highest setting!
Anyways without a doubt so far my 3 day observation via trail cam shows me that peeing in a fresh scrape DEFINITLY WORKS as 3 days in a row i peed in his scrape and 3 days in a row he refreshed it!! the first day i found the scrape i didn'rt set the trail cam but took a pee there anyway. the day i set the cam up i could see he had refreshed it so that was day 1. day 2 got him on the cam as he refreshed it and day 3 (today) he was there at 5:00 am, refreshed it and made another scrape right next to it which tells me he is not happy with me and he is drawing a line in the sand! i hope to get some good video soon as the rut heats up.
Ok now so far this is what i gather from the experiment.
1) i will not buy a $15 bottle of buck in rut when i can buy a $1.50 large coffee!
2) the flash on trail cams does not seem to affect THIS deer as it went off 3 times in under a few secounds and he stayed there.
3) the only way to hunt that area is to walk down the ecaxt trail the deer are using which tells me either my rubber boots work well or they are accustom to human scent as there is a farm not 200 yards behind the trail.
i look forward to continuing this, any suggestions on different things to try?
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I think this one likes having his pic taken.
yer gonna burn that spot up goin in every day, check it once a week or night time shots is all yer gonna get IMO
TrapperDave,
auctually this is the perfect spot as my wife and i walk our dogs twice a day EVERY day in the field which is 5 yards from the scrape so the deer are very use to us being there. i only hunt here a little bit as i do not like all the houses and such but it is a great hunt when i do not have a lot of time. i have been checking the cam often as i am on vaction. i routinly see deer in the field all times of day as it is all posted and no pressue execpt for me. i really enjoy using the trail and i'm not to worried about them going nocturnal. i %100 agree with ya though, normally in my regular hunting areas i would never be putting this much scent and time where i'm hunting unless it was to hunt.
Great thread brother. Keep us informed.
yup ken...I've been doing this for years....since seeing the Fred Trost thing when it was on cable.
here are a couple pics of bucks and does using the scrapes year after year....some were natural scrapes some mock scrapes I've made.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/hickstick/trailcam/spike.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/hickstick/trailcam/six.jpg)
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I thought the fred trost thing was absolutely hilarious. he even used dryer lint stuck to a buck decoy and the buck didnt seem to mind the decoys 'fresh clean scent' when it was tearing it up! he used feminine napkins, human pee, ammonia, dryer lint, and perfume (or cologne)....and as said before the buck stop rated the worst. what got fred in trouble was saying that what the company was claiming was doe pee from estrus does couldn't possible be since they (the company) at the time only had a 100 or so does on their farm, yet they produced hundreds and hundreds of gallons of 'estrus doe pee' a year. so he called the company's integrity into question.
great pic's!!! i'll stick to just using pee for now, will try oher stuff later.
"i will not buy a $15 bottle of buck in rut when i can buy a $1.50 large coffee!"
Classic!!
OK, now I'm waiting to see the experiment where you stick an overhead branch into the corner of your eye! :)
QuoteOriginally posted by brmize:
"i will not buy a $15 bottle of buck in rut when i can buy a $1.50 large coffee!"
Classic!!
That is to funny :biglaugh:
not that it means anything, but i have had bucks come in on me while i was.....relieving myself up in my treestand, heard that the bucks will hear it on the leaves and come to investigate for does.
i have been hitting the grunt tube while relieving myself latly with the rut starting. thought maybe it would trigger some aggresion.
Had enough aggression for one day trying to drive home tonight. Is traffic terrible everywhere ?
Can hardly wait for the weekend, gonna be drinking a BUNCH of coffee.
ChuckC
I "baptized" a small spike buck on Sat. He was feeding under my tree and caught my scent on the trunk and kept sniffing the trunk then stomping.I figured that any mature deer would hear him and be warned off so I unzipped and let fly. He jumped strait backwards about 15 yards and kept looking around trying to figure out what happened. 10 minutes later he goes back to feeding and just walks away. My buddy was 60 yds away watching the deer through his binos and called on the radio to ask if I had shot and missed when i told him the facts he about falls out of his tree. The smell didnt seem to bother little bucky at all.
The urine makes sense. . . however, your little experiment makes me wonder when you said you already walk there every day with your wife. That means those deer are use to your scent and it is not a danger. I have witnessed this in urban areas where deer just know who and what should be there and goings on.
Try walking down the trail with your regular shoes. I am curious if they won't give a rip.
One last thing- I do wonder if the scent issue is far less serious in the dark. I know they will stand there after dark and watch you get out of a stand. Do that in daylight and they are gone.
Just some thoughts. . . awesome education for us. Thanks
Dan
I read an article on this and the article said the urine with the most H2S in it was most offensive to deer. It said hydrogen sulfide is produced by the body when digesting meat, so meat eating animals were most offensive. Sounds good anyway. Just something I read.
i really started this to see how much this buck would tolerate and how much he would get provoked and aggresive. when i freshen this scrape i am wearing 12 yeard old, smelly, worn out Rocky boots. i kick the scrape out and pee in it. checked today and the God D$% trail cam didn't turn on, of course he had everything kick all over hell and he nailed the tree something wicked. :readit: wish that dam camera got pictures of it! now i know without a doubt human pee will fire them up and keep them coming back to check their scrape. also appent that the dude don't like me! Tommorow i'm going to let my 150 Newfoundland Norman give it a squrit, that should confuse him eh? :bigsmyl:
Just some food for thought. Human pee, or any pee for that matter is going to have testosterone or estrogen in it. After a few hours that is all the deer will smell. I am assuming at this point in the year he is smelling testosterone that he is not familiar with and it is making him mad because a "buck" that he doesn't know is invading his space.
Riot
well "Jeffery" was a no show last night. weather the last couple days has been in the 60's so deer movement is down. i did bring the "research" team with me today. going to throw ole Jeffery for a loop as myself, Gertrude and ole Norman all took a pee in the scrape! here's my crew.
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I like the dogs! sorry about the jets shirt:)
i'm going out to check the camera in a little bit. is there anything anyone would like me to try? it is definite that peeing in the scrape works. i'm a little excited to see todays results from the "crew" taking a squirt in it. i was thinking about maybe making a mock scrape a little way down the trail and putting the camera on that?
Gonna turn that scrape into a water hole if you keep it up!!
You gotta love this guy! Peeing, drinking coffee, peeing, bringing the dogs, peeing, hitting the grunt tube while peeing, and peeing some more!
Nice job, Ken, great thread!
You should see what some store bought doe in estrous does Ken....
Nice looking Newfies! I have a story about one I will have to tell ya one day.
Just shoot him and send me a picture Brother!!!!! :thumbsup:
Chuck if he does that he won't have an excuse to keep writing about peeing in the woods! LOL
Jamie,
that is next on my list, i just hate to spend $$ on that stuff. i can remember when Tinks 69 was $4.99 a bottle, now it has shot up to $10!!! :scared: whats up with that did the deer go on strike??? :mad: i will by a bottle for testing sake though. like i said i do know that a Stewarts large coffee works great, drives them mad! :readit:
Hey adkmountainken I've been following this thread and I got to say you have convinced me. Think I'm gonna give it a try myself ,thanks for your experiment :clapper: By the way I thought I read in an earlier post you only had 2 of those newfies where did ya get that one in the center? :biglaugh:
O yea i will have to give it a try,it will be next week end for me .. keep it up .nice pups :cool: :bigsmyl:
Hello adkmountainken.I have been following your
experiment since the begining and can`t wait to
see the result.Keep us posted.
MAY THE SPIRIT OF FRED BEAR GUIDE OUR ARROWS.
i ONLY started doing this test as 2 guys that i know really know their stuff had told me they do it every time they find a scrape. both of these guys are WELL ACPMPLISHED hunters who have killed MANY bucks. i was allways scared to try it as like everyone i was taught to eliminate all scent possible so of course you didn't want to pee where ya hunt! i had used a bottle to pee in forever, just stopped doing it last year when i tested that thery out on here to. never haave i had a problem with peeing out of my treestand or blind and i have a weak bladder and dring LOTS of coffee! anyways all i can teel you that is if your still scared your going to run a buck of by peeing in his scrape your missing out as IT DOES work. i choose to do it by my house where i don't hunt a lot but i can check on the scrape every day for results. learning from this buck to me right now is way more valuable then killing him, this 6 point is safe as i want to watch him as the rut really heats up and gets under way. i have 2 other areas i hunt hard and will do my meat hunting there. this weekend i will by the doe in heat and try it out in or by his scrape. i was not kidding when i said i will not pay $$$ for any dominace or buck in rut lure. this buck refreshed this scrape 3 days in a row when i whizzed in it. not sure how much of a response you would get from a honset to goodness deer lure but if i set up to hunt him hard for 3 days and he came to that scrape 3 days in a row becouse of my pee, well i'll take them odds! i am not a trophy hunter but i do enjoy learning what makes the bucks tick and this is just down right fun.
I agree, peeing IS fun.
Killdeer :thumbsup:
lol
i aint even gonna ask
I tried this new theory out last night. I hung a new stand over a scrape and relieved myself in it before climbing into the stand for the evening. Around 4:30 a small 4 point came in and fed around me and the scrape for 1 1/2 hours, put his nose in the scrape and never flinched. I thought this may have been due to him being a young buck, so I waited around a little longer . About 5:35 a very nice, heavy 8 pointer came in and stuck his nose in the scrape. This buck bolted out of there....but that could be form the sudden pain he had in his heart. I sent a cedar arrow through him at 15 yards. So to make a long story short, I will never buy those bottled scents again.
YEAHHHHH BABY!!!!! THAT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!! please add pictures!!!!!!!!!!
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awesome!! very nice buck.
QuoteOriginally posted by Magilla:
I tried this new theory out last night. I hung a new stand over a scrape and relieved myself in it before climbing into the stand for the evening. Around 4:30 a small 4 point came in and fed around me and the scrape for 1 1/2 hours, put his nose in the scrape and never flinched. I thought this may have been due to him being a young buck, so I waited around a little longer . About 5:35 a very nice, heavy 8 pointer came in and stuck his nose in the scrape. This buck bolted out of there....but that could be form the sudden pain he had in his heart. I sent a cedar arrow through him at 15 yards. So to make a long story short, I will never buy those bottled scents again.
WOW! that's great.i'm going to pee in a scrape and get an 8 pointer, with a bad heart.too!
Just kidding.CONGRATS!
Ken for $10.00 a bottle you should put some in a fancy bottle and sell it. Just get some video like that cmere deer stuff and walla.
yeah untill some of the big shots bout a bottle and sent it of to the labs. well thats odd, seems to be high levels of caffine, beer, and chicken wing sauce in this sample!!
Now it's to the point of what can you put in the scrape to make him stop coming to it....
Maybe some perfume or gasoline?
well, no pictures for the last 3 days. very warm weather so i don't know if that is a factor or maybe me and the "crew" was enough to scare him off. both my Newfs are between 120 and 135 pounds. they both peed in the scrape 2 days ago as well as myself. i wonder if this has moved him from the area? i did see him this morning in the field when i took my dogs for a walk. this is the first time i have saw him except for the trail cam. i will try something different now. i am off vaction so i can not check the cam every day. i will let it set a week without messing with the scrape and check the results, i'll update when i do.
Ken,
You may also be seeing a difference due to changes in the rut. In my experience, bucks usually back off on the scrapes quite a bit once actual breeding takes place. There in NY, that's probably going on right now.
It's been real interisting though. Glad you took the time to experiment.
How about pooping in it? (smile)
Thanks for the thread, I've always heard the same and wet them down whenever I get a chance. I can't say I've ever seen a difference one way or the other.
Dave,
i was thinking the same as like i said he is FINALLY coming in to the field now during the morning. there is a good number of does in this small area so i doubt very much he will leave unless he really runs them hard and ends up in a new area. there are a number of good apple trees by that scrape which i would think the does would be hitting soon and you would think he would be following them. we will see, he should make it through season in this spot unless he wonders of chasing and gets shot by the "orange army". i am the only one with permission on this small tract of 30 arcers.
well...I hope yer happy. Ya got me peeing in scrapes now...this is what I got(one of many including coon and fox checking it out.)
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Quotei have been hitting the grunt tube while relieving myself latly with the rut starting.
Maybe you should swing the tube around to your back before you unzip. :D
WOW, nice buck!!! its killing me not being able to check my trail cam as i know things are in full swing with the rut! i am definitly a firm believer in peeing in the scrape.
All the scrapes I've peed in have gone dormant. Not a thing.
I'm short how do I reach the licking branch after peeing in the scrape?
jump
i love this thread! i actually pee and make a scrape just before i pass the major game trails in front of my stand. the pee on my boots works better than a drag rag. have had very mature doe come up and sniff my bottom step and never get spooked.
i will give one word of advice, and i had been warned but did not heed it. Vermonster told me NOT to let my dogs pee in the scrape but of course i just had to see what would happen. he warned about all the scent they would leave from their paws. this was right during the time the 6 point had hit the scrape 4 days in a row. well Vermonster was right. after the dogs pee'd he has not hit the scrpae again and seems to be using a different trail! so do NOT try any canine pee in the scrapes for any reason.
just down loaded pic's. was interesting to see the does smelling the scrape but the only pic i have of the 6 pt is high taling it out of there. i think i'll make a mock scrape and see if i can fire him up again, will not use the "pee crew" this time.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/adkmountainken/trail%20cam/doesniff.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/adkmountainken/trail%20cam/doe-1.jpg)
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Good thread Ken. I knew an old feller (who's now gone on to happier hunting grounds) who peed off his stand whenever he had the urge. Said it not only attracted deer by smell but the curiosity of sound. I thought he was crazy until I saw his den wall. Chase and I have tried it this year and I think there's something to it.
Haven't tried it on a scrape yet but after reading this I think we are going to "team up" on one and see if really makes one of the big boys mad! ;)
Those dogs make you look skinny Ken.
Good thread and good plan to get the coffee. I take a thermos with me in the stand and do like JC said above.
QuoteOriginally posted by BOFF:
Ken,
I don't think the deer can distinguish the difference in the smell of pee. However, I can guarantee they will be able to smell where you or the dog were standing and peeing.
I wouldn't think the pee would bother them, but the particles or smell from Norman's fur, foot pads, your clothes, boots, hair, etc. would be the smell a deer picks up on.....
:D :p :jumper:
ok now i won't bore ya with more pic's but i got 3 different does on camera last night checking the scrape that i refreshed. my question is why is the buch not hitting it??? i KNOW he has to be right there with the does and i got him on camera last night. does the whole dog thing only bother the bucks and they will not refreshen a scrape that has been hit by dogs?? does not seem to bother the does.
its late enough he might be busy with one of the ladies.......or moving constantly looking.
QuoteOriginally posted by trapperDave:
jump
:wavey:
ADKen,
You need to get a girl to pee in it and see what happens. (Good luck with that)