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Title: Coyote problems
Post by: bowmac on October 30, 2008, 10:06:00 PM
In the past couple years the coyotes are increasinly causing us some problems, are they bothering anyone else? Last night I shot another doe at 20 yards. She stepped forward on my release so I knew I was a little far back but angling forward. After checking the arrow I knew I had hit stomach as well as the far lung. She crossed the hayfield at about 80 yards and layed down at the fingertip of timber. Me and my Son backed out and went home for a few hours before going back. We heard the commotion before we even made it back. Flashlight showed 5 coyotes eating on my Doe. They didn't even run off to speak of. Total time was Doe shot at 5:30, we came back at 9:30. Thats only 4 hours. Tonight we had two Does come out in front of my Son. As he prepared to take a shot here comes three coyotes into the hayfield and the Doe's spook and run upfield toward me. A little later a 130's class 8 pt.er comes out by me and here comes two more coyotes into the field spooking the Buck. I guess we are opening our own open season from now on. We are seeing an increase in coyotes, bobcats and fox (even though they say fox won't run in coyote territory). I guess the Human Predator is going to have more of a challenge this season.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: zilla on October 30, 2008, 10:10:00 PM
Time to go Coyote huntin
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: RightTrailWrongTime on October 30, 2008, 10:12:00 PM
I'm sure you could find a few guys around you that would gladly thin those pesky buggers down, if you can't find anyone I know a few guys that would probably be willing to come out and do it for ya.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: ishiwannabe on October 30, 2008, 10:17:00 PM
I once shto a spike....great blood and then nothing. I got the local dog search guy. He found him about 150 yards further than the last blood. The yotes ran him, and ate him. Two, two and a half hours passed from shot to recovery, I only recovered one shoulder(he was laying on it) and the neck and head. The rest was gone. ENCON told me I should have left it in the woods instead of tagging it. They, and I repeat-THEY stated it would most likely be around 15-20 yotes in order to eat the deer that fast. Yeah, yotes are a problem around here.
Foxes are also around. Some years more than others, but around none-the-less. Bobcats too.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: koger on October 31, 2008, 12:08:00 AM
Having a big prolem here in South central KY. Early in the summer my wife walks every night, saw 3-4 coyotes daily while I was at work in 2 of the field areas I hunt. When we saw them chasing does and fawns, I put up my bow, got out my varmmint rifles and killed 6 in a week. Since then have taken 23 this summer fall, within 1/2 mile in each direction of my house. Another buddy in the north end of my county is having the same problem, have had to shoot, snare trap and poison them. He had nearly 30 at his last count. As quick as I started thinning the coyotes, started seeing more deer in the same fields, acted less nervous or stressed.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: adkmountainken on October 31, 2008, 05:14:00 AM
MANY coyotes arounbd here, even when you thnk you are thinning them out chances are your not even putting a dent in the population. by my house no matter where you hit them if you want them whole you have to follow up tracking pretty quick! by my mothers house its not that bad, you here them a lot but do not often see them.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: The Baron on October 31, 2008, 08:58:00 AM
Take up coyote hunting for sure.  I got into it a couple years back and it is a lot of fun.  Great reason to be outdoors in the winter.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: mjh on October 31, 2008, 09:11:00 AM
Saw two last night while hunting.  They half hardly chased three does as the does made sure they didn't get too close but they didn't blow and run like hell.  'Yotes are around, I'm sure if I make a bad hit and wait then the 'yotes will get it.  Anybody coyote hunt with a bow or a 20ga.  I don't have the proper firearm and although it would be fun to get to one I don't think my spouse will go with the addition to the armory.  The land owner where I hunt said I could coyotes all I want.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: trapperDave on October 31, 2008, 09:46:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by koger:
Having a big prolem here in South central KY. Early in the summer my wife walks every night, saw 3-4 coyotes daily while I was at work in 2 of the field areas I hunt. When we saw them chasing does and fawns, I put up my bow, got out my varmmint rifles and killed 6 in a week. Since then have taken 23 this summer fall, within 1/2 mile in each direction of my house. Another buddy in the north end of my county is having the same problem, have had to shoot, snare trap and poison them. He had nearly 30 at his last count. As quick as I started thinning the coyotes, started seeing more deer in the same fields, acted less nervous or stressed.
POISON???????????

Say it aint so! Poison is an indiscriminate killer........and usaully very ILLEGAL
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: RAU on October 31, 2008, 10:33:00 AM
I lost a hind 1/4 of a compound killed doe a about 10 years ago. I also shot a real pretty blond one w/ compound in 2000. And a mangey, nasty, one w/ a rifle in late 90s. One showed up on a trail camera on a farm we hunt this past late summer too so their definitely around here in North East Pa. 5 of em on a kill in 4 hours is pretty nuts huh?!?! Maybe you could find a local trapper.  Ive tried to trap one and could never pull it off. Ive caught some fox (14 in my best year) but no coyotes. Id try to find a real good trapper and not someone like me, who only plays at trapping and would probably only make em wiser.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: kevgsp on October 31, 2008, 11:07:00 AM
I coyote hunt all winter to TRY and keep the population down on the few small properties I hunt.  They are chicken farms with MANY coyotes. Turkey I got last year only had about 6 tail feathers do to a coyote, they even try to attack our geese decoys when we are gone for lunch.  You can not leave a deer till the next morning here...it will be gone.

I love hunting with the bow, but it is all business when it comes to coyotes. I hunt them with a rifle to PRESERVE my bow hunting the rest of the year. Hope this pic is OK...

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Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: DeerSpotter on October 31, 2008, 11:47:00 AM
That photo is not OK !


You need 10 more coyotes laying there !

But one is a good start !


I get coyotes where I hunt, I have the .243 traditional Ruger !  To take care that !


Carl
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: Rmac on October 31, 2008, 12:42:00 PM
I have hunted them with gun & snare, but have yet to pursue with a bow. I think they are the ultimate to hunt with a bow though due to their nose. A whitetail ain't got nothing on the smeller these guys have, if they have not been called at & hunted much they can be called in usually due to their appetite & curiosity. If you miss though he just became educated & may not fall for it again.If you want to see more deer then they need to be kept in check by another predator...you..just my thought. I use a fox pro e-caller, I know thats cheating but it works.

RM
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: outbackbob48 on October 31, 2008, 12:46:00 PM
I,ve been trapping coyotes for a couple of yrs. now. They are truly an amazing animal, I read somewhere that the more you perscute( trap, shoot, poison.) the bigger litters they have, also a bioligst said that you would have to kill 70 percent every yr for 5 yrs to control them If you don,t get 70 percent for just 1 yr. then your losing ground. They are surviors for sure. If we ever have a nuclear holocaust  the only survior would be the cockroach, coyote, rat, whitetail deer. Good Luck with your coyote problems. Later gotta go skin one I caught today.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: waknstak IL on October 31, 2008, 01:11:00 PM
We have a big problem in Southern IL. My brother shot a doe one evening last year and by the time we drug her out and went back in to get our stands, (maybe took us 30 minutes) the gutpile was all gone. Leave a deer overnight in these parts and you most likely will have 1/2 a deer in the morning.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: DaveBriner on October 31, 2008, 01:27:00 PM
I seem to be hearing a lot more talk of predators on the rise the last couple of years.  I know predator/prey levels are cyclical but what I'm talking about is people seeing bobcats and cougars again in places they haven't been seen for a while.  Here in MO we are having more and more lion sightings the last 5yrs.  And we're now seeing bobcats on farms where we haven't seem them in the last 15yrs.  I think it's pretty cool actually.  Here in MO I think we need a little help with the local herd.
Dave
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: Lawrenceu on October 31, 2008, 01:41:00 PM
Coyotes and foxes can definitely live in the same area.  I could show you that in several areas.  And, yep, they are a growing problem.  Almost everyone I know around the country is seeing this.  Maybe it is a conspiracy.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: Herdbull on October 31, 2008, 01:47:00 PM
I have seen a coyote grab a grey fox from a den and kill it. It then just left it laying on top of the snow. I have seen the same evidency in the snow in the case of a red fox. In both cases the fox were simply left there, and neither incident did the coyote know I was there. I have taken 6 with the bow. Mike
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Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: the not so straight arrow on October 31, 2008, 01:49:00 PM
time to get to trappin if ya ask me. sounds like nothing a few #2 coilsprings wouldnt help. trapping is fun n you get to sink the cash ya get from the pelts into your bowhunting lol! have a good time with it and go get to trappin.
-cory
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: Herdbull on October 31, 2008, 01:51:00 PM
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Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: Soilarch on October 31, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
Yep, time for "open season" to be declared.

There's about a million ways to go about it but around here it seems the most "productive" way is to do it at night with a remote electronic call and a shotgun with #4 Buckshot.

(MAKE SURE that night-hunting season is "in" for your area and electronic calls are legal.  Back home in Illinois it's year round for day hunting but not for night, and all electronic calls are a no-go.)
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: the not so straight arrow on October 31, 2008, 04:26:00 PM
ny is good to go with night hunting but no electronic calls. i know some guys set up bait piles in other areas where its legal. could try that if its ok legally speaking where you are. just pick em off as the come in, use a big ol light with a ed filter ( they wont spoke to that ive heard) and then just use that scatter gun with some number 4 like soilarch siad.
but then again i prefer to stick to my traps.
good luck fella
-cory
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: snag on October 31, 2008, 05:35:00 PM
A friend killed 132 coyotes here in eastern Oregon last year...with a thunderstick...aka rifle.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: pintail_drake2004 on October 31, 2008, 11:32:00 PM
i know a guy who shoots 100 yotes every year from 1 county. I have hunted with him a few times he is good at what he does. Get ya an E-caller, and a good fur frendly rifle. Skin them things out when ya shoot them. Easy to put up and well worth it in the end when the fur checks roll in!!!
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: the not so straight arrow on October 31, 2008, 11:58:00 PM
pintail's right. get cha cash for all that hard huntin! first thing i buy with it every time is new broadheads lol, could ya honestly think of a better use than bowhunting money?
-cory
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: WidowEater on November 01, 2008, 01:48:00 AM
I have no ethical problem with hunting them with lights where permitted, baiting where permitted, using dogs where permitted, and trying to hit them with my car.

They need to make it legal to carry a rifle with you while bowhunting so you can reach the ones way out there.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: Teacher_of_the_Arcane on November 01, 2008, 08:14:00 PM
Hi All,

Back about 1965 only Upshur County, West Virginia had coyotes, and no-one was quite sure how they got into the middle of the state untracked.  They were hitting poultry and lambs, and had attracted a couple hundred hunters, including a couple of professionals hired by the state.  I don't know if anyone ever got those rascals...best guess was there were three.

These days I believe we have coy-dogs, as they're a lot bigger than any coyote I've ever seen.  I've had a few of my students bring pictures of their kills.  

Take care, you don't want to be dinner!!
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: rg176bnc on November 01, 2008, 08:26:00 PM
Got bad news for ya the furs aint worth squat this year.  Might sent them to the tanner and do better.  Find a trapper if your not interested in trapping them your self.  If you are interested and its legal snares are the way to go. Once you get the learning curve down and get a system you can run 200 a day pretty easy.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: TroyH on November 01, 2008, 08:48:00 PM
A week and a half ago I shot one with my bow.  Tracked him for 300 yds but finally lost the trail.  I'm pretty sure he's dead, arrow through the vitals and lost lots of blood, probably liver shot and maybe more.
Anyway, that evening shot a buck and a few days later cut the antlers off the head.  I tossed the head over the back fence, 30 yds from the back door.  I always put out my camera on the fence to see what comes up, and here is what I got the next morning.

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Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: Soilarch on November 01, 2008, 08:51:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by WidowEater:
I have no ethical problem with hunting them with lights where permitted, baiting where permitted, using dogs where permitted, and trying to hit them with my car.

They need to make it legal to carry a rifle with you while bowhunting so you can reach the ones way out there.
Don't know that I'd TRY to hit one with my truck but I sure have spent a lot of time wishing I had my 22-250 with me!!!!!!!!  

But it does feel strange having a weapon that makes 300yards a "chip-shot" when you grew up only hunting with a bow, a shotgun, and a .22lr.
Title: Re: Coyote problems
Post by: LeeNY on November 02, 2008, 04:54:00 AM
The last 2 years at my Son in laws farm coyotes out number the deer or so it seemed.

So starting in January we changed the coyotes diet from Venison to lead (a more traditional coyote diet). Between 3 (grandson also) of us we managed to trim the area by 22 coyotes.

The instant result seems to be more deer. Last year according to my journal I saw exactly 0 deer for 8 times out. This year 3 times out and 2 bucks, 6 doe and 5 fawns.