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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Anaconda12 on October 23, 2008, 06:38:00 AM
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Well I need to vent so maybe you can all help me get over this. I was at the cooler the other night with the buck I killed and there was a few fellas there as usual, you know the kind that seem to hang out waiting for everybody to come in so they can tell you they seen a BIG UN' but for whatever reason did not get, how many times have you heard someone say " Well that is a good one for that Longbow!" AAAAAARGH this really erks me or even fellow bowhunters saying things after killing animals, "Well I did not hit that doe perfect but it was just a doe", or "Well if it would have been a big buck I would rather hit it a little different, but it worked", I am missing something here is the vital anatomy different between a buck and doe? :banghead: I for one do not feel handicapped with my choice of hunting weaponry, I do not own a rifle and have absolutely no problems with rifle hunters at all, but to constantly hear things like this especially the low respect for one of my favorite game animals, the doe deer really drives me nuts. Don't these idiots realize if it were not for the does that the chance of them sitting in their shooting house overlooking a food plot with there cannons would probably never kill that mature buck that wanders in before dark. Sorry folks the two things I hate to hear, I do not know why it bothers me so much it just does. What bothers you folks list them here so we know what buttons not to push!
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What about? "It's just a spike". or "Only a little forkhorn". These are the two I hear the most coming from rifle hunters.
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One I've heard a lot lately from guys trying trad for the first time. "If I hadda been shooting my compound, I would have gotten that deer". Blaming a miss on equipment. No you wouldnt have gotten it because you werent shooting a compound.
I dont like "every animal taken with trad is a trophy". I realize that new hunters and begiiners in trad that is is a trophy to them, I"m proud of any animal I take but for me its what a trophy is to me.
As trad hunters we work more getting equipment ready, practicing etc. that statements like you mentioned belittle our efforts.
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Boy my list is too long so I'll try and refrain, but "It's a shooter" is close to the top.
"Nice for a bow" is too.
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"QDM doesn't work, it just kills all the does and now we don't have any deer"- you can't even bring the idea up in my home state, or you get black balled. Generations of hunters have killed what they want- so they can tell everyone "I got my buck" (my next most hated statement). I ask where your names was on him....
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I hate to hear my bows when I shoot them, that's why I work so hard to quiet them. The other stuff is just talk and it will be a cold day when I give a rat's patookie what someone ignorant has to say about how I hunt.
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Yeah I guess I should try to be more like you vermonster, but I can hardly bear it to hear someone talk about the sport I cherish without trying to educate them on our responsibilities as sportsman no matter what weapon, this post was not a poke at gun hunters, just getting some things off my chest.
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"Dirt nap"
"I put the smack down on him"
"Stud killed"
"It's just a cull buck"
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"I smoked um'"
"If I was shootin' my compound I would have got em'" I hate that one too, and as a former wheelie guy, I can say it is just as easy to miss with a compound as with any other weapon.
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I had a xbow hunter tell me the other day he shot a buck and couldn't find it. So as he was leaving he saw another small buck so he shot it in the neck with a field point because he only took 1 broadhead with him. Well he never found that one either, he said it got dark and he couldn't see anymore. I dont reckon he had a light. I said what did you do that for, you cant hardly kill a squirrell with a field point. He said you cant kill em if you dont shoot at em. There are a lot of people who have no bussiness hunting with any kind of weapon. They have no respect for themselves or the animals they shoot.
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"I Shoot " Instinctive" and then cant hit your hinny,...
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"I hit him PERFECT" but I can't find any blood. :confused:
"I shot a good one but might have hit him a bit high". "Would you mind tracking him for me"..... :mad:
Where do you think I should hunt?(Then does exactly the opposite)... :bigsmyl: It's what makes it all so fun and interesting.CK
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when someone tells someone what is ethical and what isn't.
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I dislike my bow (or my shotgun and rifle for that matter) being referred to as a "weapon". It's not likely to ever be used in combat.
I know a lot of you guys use this one, but the term "critter" is just not cute anymore and it makes me think of Jethro of the Beverly Hillbillys. Go ahead and blast me for saying so, but ssheeeshhh...come on!
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If its brown, Its down
If I don't shoot it, someone else will
That stick isn't a real bow, get a Mathew's.
forget the wind and just hunt.
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Number 1 thing is.... Crack, bamm
well there goes that bow.
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I manage a large retail sporting goods store and we sell a lot of archery equipment...Until you work in this arena, you just don't have any idea the kind of "HUNTERS" that you share the woods with....The Majority is very good and responsible but some are just plain IDIOTS. Absolutly NO personal responsibility.....EVERYTHING that goes wrong in the woods is the EQUIPMENTS fault.....The list goes on and on and on....XXXXXX broadhead will not kill a deer, xxxxx broadhead won't let a deer bleed, IT WAS JUST A DOE, IT WAS JUST A SMALL BUCK, It don't need to be sharp, I missed 3 this morning at 60 yards,ETC.......A lot of the younger generation does not have a clue as to the real reason that we bow hunt...They have been raised on Outdoor TV SHOWS and a lot of them are instant "Trophy Hunters" who have never taken that many deer and don't know the JOY of just Enjoying the hunt and getting some experience under their belt...Just yesterday a 14 year old bowhunter, who has taken 1 deer with his compound, told me he and his Dad were going to ILL. bowhunting...I wished him Good Luck and he said "Thanks but I won't need the luck". Confidence or Youthful ignorance??????? I thought about that statement all evening while in the stand. It really makes me sick sometimes...My son Skyler and his buddy Zach hunt with me often. They know about the highs and lows of bowhunting. I believe strongly that those "lows" make the occasional "Highs" that much better. Skyler knows well, how hard it can be. I just hope that this time spent with him now, "sticks" in him and he comes to love this sport as much as I do...Sorry about the long post but this is something thats been on my mind for a while....Good Topic Quintin!!!!! Don Wilson
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"Whack um and stack um" :rolleyes: or anything that doesn't show respect for the animal.
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Originally posted by Anaconda12:
Well I need to vent so maybe you can all help me get over this. I was at the cooler the other night with the buck I killed and there was a few fellas there as usual, you know the kind that seem to hang out waiting for everybody to come in so they can tell you they seen a BIG UN' but for whatever reason did not get, how many times have you heard someone say " Well that is a good one for that Longbow!" AAAAAARGH this really erks me or even fellow bowhunters saying things after killing animals, "Well I did not hit that doe perfect but it was just a doe", or "Well if it would have been a big buck I would rather hit it a little different, but it worked", I am missing something here is the vital anatomy different between a buck and doe? :banghead: I for one do not feel handicapped with my choice of hunting weaponry, I do not own a rifle and have absolutely no problems with rifle hunters at all, but to constantly hear things like this especially the low respect for one of my favorite game animals, the doe deer really drives me nuts. Don't these idiots realize if it were not for the does that the chance of them sitting in their shooting house overlooking a food plot with there cannons would probably never kill that mature buck that wanders in before dark. Sorry folks the two things I hate to hear, I do not know why it bothers me so much it just does. What bothers you folks list them here so we know what buttons not to push!
Here in East TN the smartest deer in the woods is a 3 year old doe. She has been shot at most likely more than once and most likely seen a yearling kiled. Bucks are weary but a 3 year old doe is knows what is going on.
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I hate it when folks call deer antlers "horns". They don't have horns, they're ANTLERS folks! The TV fist pump, " Yeah , baby!" and all the fake emotion the hunters try to portray when they " smoke" or " drill" or "take " their deer. They didn't take, smoke or drill it, they killed it.
Fowl archer your bow is a weapon whether you like to call it that or not. What do you call it a "deer gathering device"? Killing a deer is a violent act and we shouldn't candy coat it and make like its something other than it is. Its killing so we can eat 'em. Don't apologize for that which isn't wrong.
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"Whacking" or "Blasting" deer...don't care too much for those. I don't "harvest" deer...I kill them!(much different than going out to the garden!).
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I hate to hear that doe snort and start to stomp her foot. I could care less what people think about my equipment or the animal that I shoot.
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Originally posted by b.glass:
"Whack um and stack um" :rolleyes: or anything that doesn't show respect for the animal.
I agree
I also dislike stories that begin with "I normally wouldn't have taken this shot...." Most of the time they end badly.
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"The reason I shot it is because I needed to get it out of the gene pool." :banghead:
Or how about, "I couldn't see anything through my peep."
I'll stop now...
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"just a doe" WHAT?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that one just flat out TICKS ME OFF!
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I'm going to use my recurve to try and take a doe ?? Why not use you'r recurve to take a buck too ??
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"it's the only shot I had" --------- No time for that - can mean a bunch of bad situations - all of which should have been a shot not taken. And "I shot a button buck".
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When I was new to hunting (I started with a stickbow) I was eager to hunt anywhere with anyone and ended up hunting hogs on a "ranch" with all rifle hunters. As soon as they saw my recurve a few of them (including the guide/owner) made comments such as: "So, after you make that animal look like a pin cushion we're gonna hafta come shoot it for ya?!!" As the fortunes would have it I tagged the biggest hog of all of them! That shut 'em up! Something like that wouldn't phase me at all today but as a new hunter I confess I was tickled pink! :bigsmyl:
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"If I was shootin' my compound I would have got em'"...well this is true for most people because a compound is easier to shoot accuratly..."I hit him PERFECT" but I can't find any blood."...this has happened to me and many others its just something that happens and is factual
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"Yeah it's small but if I didn't shoot, I would have gone home skunked." The hunter that said this was disappointed with the grizzly he shot. Now he has a very small bear on the wall that will disappoint him every time he sees it. What a waste....
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It's not just gun hunters or compound shooters either.
I quit hunting with a couple of guys years ago who looked down on small bucks. They were "trophy hunters". I would love a nice big buck but if the trophy didn't appear that year a small buck would do nicely. And we were all tradional hunters then, we had no other choice. Their comments were "Why did you shoot that little thing?" (It was a healthy, fat forkhorn). By the way these comments were made over 30 years ago and they still gripe me.
I also stopped associating with a club member who was two checkouts over in a large store full of women and he shouted "How did you do deer hunting this year?" I tried not to reply. He then bellowed out "I stuck 5 but only got 4."
Ignorance knows no bounds.
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The only situation I have ever heard a bowhunter say."If I would have been hunting with my compound I would have got them." was due to the fact the they didn't take a shot over 20 yards with their new stickbow but would have with their compounds.
I hate to hear everyone in the truck but me fart at nearly the same time.
:bigsmyl:
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anaconda. most of those folks don't know where a deers heart / lungs / liver actually are anyway.
I hate hearing (on TV shows or elsewhere) " It was the only shot he gave me, I had to take it"
ChuckC
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C2:
I hate to hear everyone in the truck but me fart at nearly the same time.
I'm with you on this one! :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
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"Anything killed with a bow is a trophy"
An accomplishment? Yes. But a trophy? No.
or "A trophy is whatever you want it to be"
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"Sorry, I leased my land this year"
With a selfbow at full draw.... "tick"
"It was the only shot I had" really makes me mouthy.
"Can you kill anything with that"?
When your hunting buddy and you are at the dinner and he says, "I forgot my wallet"!
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"Opps" - After any shot.
"Bzzzzzzzz" - On the ground, in close proximity, and it's dark.
"Shooter Buck"
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Even though I haven't killed any monsters, I hate to hear a NET score. I'd rather hear Gross score. Why take anything away from the deer? Whats that saying NETs are for fish?
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Anaconda, I could not agree with you more. I have a trio of doe's that I have been sighting all week. They or should I say she (the other two follow her) has three different ways in to the stand of walnut trees on the fence row. My friend yacks about this buck.......... and I am not going after my buck (named Bubba) until I can get that doe. The wiliest wood smart creature I have ever come across. SHe is good........ I just hope I am better ;) AS far as rifle guys and the handicapped (wheelbows),I don;t pay much attention. Although my friend is a die hard wheel guy he is slowly comming around to maybe trying traditional. I always tell him when he really wants to hunt he will try it ;)
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Hunting partner in truck on the way to the woods with windows rolled up and heat on..."I thought I heard a buck snort".... :(
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"Not tonight, I have a headache..."
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I gotta say one that bugs me is "if it's legal it's ethical". It stems from a clip somebody sent me thinking since I'm a hunter I would appreciate it, of a guy shooting a bedded deer from like 900 yds away from some kind of adjustable seat sniper rifle mess. Don't know if that was even legal but it almost made me puke. of course they were hootin' and hollerin' about it. Maybe it's me but that didn't seem too ethical. (ps I own a rifle)
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I have heard most all the stuff you guys mention.
Now I see other hunters; and when they ask me what I have seen; I tell them that I have seen a lot of young bucks; but nothing mature; and that I only shoot does and mature bucks.
Of course I shoot what I want; but it sets them back a bit.
When a neighbor gunned down a 9 point; I said - 'that's a good management buck'.
When they shoot a small buck - or a nice buck I always say 'I wonder what it would have grown to look like next year' ; or 'I had several chances to shoot that buck; wondered if it was old enough: too bad in a way'.
Or 'too bad your not strong enough to pull back a bow'.
yep I am a risk taker :)
by the way if you are in a truck with others; always grab the door seat; yes its the 'gateboy' seat; but when your going through traffic or a town; everytime you reach down to 'tie your boots'; it looks like all your buddies are sitting together real close like ..... 'real buddies'. :D
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Dirtbikes ripping through the woods right at prime time, just like 2 nights ago in a honey hole I was hunting. :mad:
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" you need at least 70lbs to blow through a deer"
that one made me laugh, especially comin from a guy more than 40 years old, and 2 years of archery expirience,
" I know what I'm doin"
thats comin from a compound kid at bass pro that cant hit the 6" circle at 20 yards to save his life
" that would barely kill a rabbit"
that was from a guy at the range that judged my 47lb recurve
and the one that piss's me off the most
" How would you like it if the Animal shot the pointy arrow at you?!"
uhg....
there are just so many posers and idiots out there :banghead:
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"it hit it a bit back, but it was a GREAT liver hit"
"i made the HARVEST" that one always confused me. i thought they killed a der, not picked an ear of corn...?
"it was a lower percentage shot, but ya gotta take em sometimes" i never saw anyone sitting there MAKING them shoot.
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One I read here too often..."I stuck one"
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Modified auto exhaust. Your kid's car stereo at an intersection.
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"What did he score?" (I can barely count to 10. Im probably going to cut the antlers up to make pens or knife handles anyway..)
"The deer aren't getting anything to eat because of the hogs eating up everything." (Yeah, because hogs and deer eat the exact same viddles, huh?)
"I don't know how he smelled me, I had my Scent Blocker coveralls on."
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I am just trying to enjoy my hunting the way that I like and have tried to avoid other hunters that choose to do it their way. I don;t need themor their opinions about bows sights or whatever. I canceled my outdoor channel. just couldn't take it anymore.A trip to bass pro and cabelas yesterday just disgusted me. I've killed over 100 deer in my life and never once have I needed a trail camera, cocaine or a butt hole remover.people actully buy those things. makes me wonder how I ever killed a deer before." not bad for a trad bow "is a quote that drives me nuts by people that should know better. Sorry to rant, just enjoy your way of hunting and let others enjoy their way. Be glad we live in a country where we can hunt and choose how we do it. Lets enjoy it while we can.
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"My mechanical will always open because I have enough kinetic energy."
"I'm accurate enough to go hunting. It's not like a tournament or anything."
"Oh I practice a lot. I started almost a month ago."
But the one that takes the cake for me is the TV show Gettin Close selling POSTED signs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :knothead:
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In public: "if you actually kill an elk with that thing I want your autograph" Ive heard it three times just hope I can find the guys when It actually happens.. ;)
In the Woods: SNORT WHEEZE.. :banghead:
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Wow I see I have not been the only one that seems to have been boiling inside those are all some darn good replies, I sure did not mean to start a rant though, sorry. But like so many said "Do it the way it makes you happy, and avoid the cancers that plague are great sport!"
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"That's a good bow kill" I have never understood this phrase.
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Originally posted by Kevin Bahr:
"Not tonight, I have a headache..."
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I hear this all the time!! but seriously I hate when people say you hunt with that thing?? Or when people say "Smoke" or "Whack" to describe the shot.
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im in a big PETA area right now, yeah I can zone it out
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"I must have hit that empty void just above the lungs"
And how about "I borrowed a bow from a friend gonna try bowhunting this year." borrowed a bow 2 weeks before season opened and had never shot a bow before!
I have become a magnet for every goofball with a B.S. story to tell!
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Man who can't help yelling "I've got it !" after shooting an animal,instead of keeping still and quiet.
Even with a rabbit or whatever animals.
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Traditional hunting is more than just taking the wheels off your bow and removing your camothen buying a funky looking hat. . Drives me nuts to hear or read threads by guys arguing about what is or what is not traditiional.
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while practising with wheel archers after they shoot a real tight group- "thats good shooting hey" or "see that shot" after they've hit the bull at 50m. i think to myself, "give me that bow and 4 days practise, i could do it to". this recently from a mate who has just started shooting wheels- "i can shoot a 9" group at 60m!"
here's one- "i'm going trad next year". to that i think to myself, "well if you start now you'll be ready to hunt trad next year". got to get some more kills in before they switch i suppose.
ahh, vented.
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Worst one of all "It might have been a little far back"
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Bill tell, That's a good one about Gettin Close selling the POSTED signs. But hay, that is realy the ONLY piece of equipment they could not do without!!
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Referring to a doe as "a slick head"
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Went to a 3-D shoot over the summer and a guy with a compound in his hand says "I've been a Traditional guy all my life" and also this "What kind of stuff you got going on there" He was referring to my back quiver. This is only my second year hunting and my first with Traditional gear and already see the silly animosity of some folks have in our small hunting society of today. :help:
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When my wife refers to my back quiver as.."cute"
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when someone calls an animal dumb. Those"dumb" animals have been around allot longer than us and dodge us all the time. By no means are any of those animals dumb
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Originally posted by champ38:
When my wife refers to my back quiver as.."cute"
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I hate to hear someone say, after looking at my one of my selfbows" I could never make one those, I just don't have the patience". They are sure selling themselves short.
My all time least favorite saying when I recommend someone learn to make arrows, strings, bows or work on the hunting club is" I don't have the time". These same people probably watch 2 or 3 hrs of TV a day, hunt a good bit, visit with friends and do everything else they want to do but when it comes to learning something new or helping at the club, they "don't have the time".
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another thing i hate to hear is that trad hunters smell like mountain men, carry there arrows in rotten coyote skin quivers, and are unethical because they cant shoot. for the most part, thats just not true. i wish people could see it was just an difference in equipment choice, and that we all were in it to have fun.
on the other hand, i hate to hear trad shooter down the skill of compound archers. yeah, at 20-30 yards, it sure is easier to shoot a compound. but compound archers are psuhing the ranges further and futher. those who say compound are easy to shoot, have you ever shot at 60-100 yards? i have, and that tiny breeze ya feel on your face? that'll push your arrow clean off the Block target at 80 yards. people who say "gimme a day and i could do the same", are just plain ignorant. a day with a compound is just long enough to screw the cam timing up, mess up the drop away sttings (uh...whats a drop away?, much less set the 1st, 2nd and 3rd axis level, micro adjust the pins. one day is also enough time ta start punching the trigger, and learning a suprise release? takes months. some people - both trads and compounds - just plain old crack me up at the total ignorance over anything but there specialty.
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"King Ranch"
"Do you hunt with that thing?"
"Management buck"
"Cull buck"
"Would've been a good'n in another year."
"Got my lease in Iowa!"
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Originally posted by Kevin Bahr:
"Not tonight, I have a headache..."
:biglaugh: :biglaugh:
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"Is a Black Widow worth it?" That is my least favorite line (could be any brand inserted here, but this one seems to be asked more than most). If it isn't worth it to you, don't buy it.
I also hate "BBD, big buck down" I stopped watching the outdoor channel because I got so sick of hearing it.
"I like to do things the hard way. Keep my shots close." Then proceed to take 60 yard running shots on camera.
I could go on and on...Mike
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I heard michael waddel the other day say..."papa waddel is about to lay the smackdown on that joker"...LMAO...I hate when they say things like that
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When someone asks "did you catch a deer?"
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I hate that there is not enough UNITY in our sport HUNTING no matter the weapon.. But I here you loud and clear it drives me up the wall how unethical some hunters are and they wonder why we are viewed this way when they are in the store talking about the one they smoked, layed the smack down, etc. etc. Nets are for fish,this I agree with but the score of a buck has taken over our sport, remember when there was a big deer contest and the winner was determined by weight not rack size? And if I haved smoked something it is either turkey, jerky, sausage, fish,etc.
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i hate to hear trad shooter down the skill of compound archers. yeah, at 20-30 yards, it sure is easier to shoot a compound. but compound archers are psuhing the ranges further and futher.
That is exactly my problem with compound shooters. The whole point of hunting with a bow and I use the term loosely when describing anything with cam's and letoff. Is to get within the animals comfort zone. I haven't hardly killed anything compared to most of the guys on this site, yet until the day that I am forced to live on what I can kill it is very important to me as I think it should be to any "hunter" how I kill the animal.
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I just returned from a hunt with 5 wheelie shooters. I never loosed an arrow. "We" managed to shoot four hogs and three deer, of which two were nice bucks. "We" recovered none! I spent two hunts tracking said animals. Here are some quotes:
"Thirty Eight yards is further than I've ever shot before"
"There were some sapplings in the way, but I thought I could squeeze one in there"
"I only got two inches of penetration because I mis-judged the yardage and the arrow skipped off the ground before hitting the hog"
"I knew the shots on the first two hogs were too far back, but that biggest one was a definite double lunger". Turns out the third one was still on his feet 600 yards later after we lost the trail for good.
"I shot him too far back, but figured he would be dead after an hour". This was his explaination after jumping the deer.
Don't think I'll make this trip next year.
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Apex, my sympathies to you. Sounds like your ears were literally being verbally assaulted! Can't blame you for not wanting to make that trip again.
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What I,ve come to relize is most of these fellows that are loud or running off at the mouth regardless whether its at the the boat ramp, sporting goods store, range, are really just insecure, and when I hear them I just smile because I have them figured out.
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"Anything killed with a bow is a trophy"
An accomplishment? Yes. But a trophy? No.
or "A trophy is whatever you want it to be"
I disagree.
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i can't stand it when other hunters try telling me i cant hunt in this area. :mad: :mad: :mad: :readit:
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I'm not keen on hearing "______________ is the most deadly / most effective / best broadhead in the world / that you could use."
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I hate: "Big buck down" Lee and Tiffany make me puke, I hate people who always talk bad about someone who can do something they cannot IE; taking a deer from the ground with a stickbow. I've taken a few and I've heard, "Well you just have a good spot" or "If I had enough time to practice I could do it too". Biggie, you seem like a real good guy, but if my 14 year old son shoots any deer with a bow, no matter what it is, I can guarantee you it'll be a trophy as well as an accomplishment. Rob
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Originally posted by waknstak IL:
When someone asks "did you catch a deer?"
Good one! When some people ask that, I may or may not correct them. But when my Mom asks that I give her my pat answer...no. :D
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I agree. I shot a coyote last night and had a clean pass through.(Old bear razor head, 45 lbs PSE longbow gold tip arrow.)The old yote made some thick briars and I was unable to find him after four hours on my hands and knees and I plan to go back sunday after work and look somemore. My neighbor said " Its just a coyote your acting like it was a huge buck or somthing." Well to me it is. Due to the color and smell of the blood I believe it was a liver hit.
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This is something that I actually had said to me. I was at the locally owned bait shop/ Hunting store here in the little town I live in. Everyone knows everyone here. I have known the owner pretty much all my life. Now on to the point. Last year I took a small button buck on opening day with my recurve from the ground with about an 8 foot shot. This was my first Trad deer as well as my first deer with a bow :bigsmyl: and at the check in the owner looks at me and says " why in the #### did you shoot something like that?" :confused: That actually made me sick to my stomach. I haven't been back to his shop since.
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tiffany's sales pitch of
"Even I can do it" In reference to Lee planting all the crops and puttin out game cameras and stuff and her waiting in the stand.
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Tired of hearing the so called Professionals on the Outdoor Channel and other outdoor shows that take poor shots and claim it was the only shot they had. Heck of a thing to say when sometimes your best shot is not shooting at all. I enjoy the hunt a whole lot more than the harvest. The harvest is only the icing on the cake.
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The one I love, "did you get YOUR deer yet" , some people must think you have to order them ahead so you won't miss out. " management buck" is another one.
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"My best shot on a deer was @ 63 yards"
"Where is the sights on that thing"
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I don't like when people use whitetail count on mule deer, or when people count eye gaurds on a mule deer as part of their point count.
Todd
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Bigge,
As "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", so it is with a trophy ! Who are you to judge ?
My 12 year old (many years ago) killed a button buck with his first shot at a deer. It will forever be a trophy to him and me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good for you and your son!
I'm not judging anyone. The thread asked what you hate to hear. Am I not entitled to my opinion because you disagree with it?
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My 92 year old mother, bless her heart, says "Did you catch a deer this year?" all of the time. It must be an age thing.
This actually happened at a party once. Lady says "Why do you shoot those beautiful deer?" To which I replied "Until I can run faster and strangle them, shooting will have to do."
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"Your not going hunting tomorrow are you? Its supposed to rain."
Well...Southpawshooter and myself spent the entire day yesterday bowhunting jersey whitetails. In the wind and rain....heavy at times I may add. When you have limited vacation time to bowhunt, you make the most of your opportunities....
And yes...we did see deer, had a few close encounters but no shots offered. I have a problem with the fair weather "Posers".
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reddogge,
I agree about the "age thing". Before she passed a couple of years ago, my mom always asked me "Well did you catch a bear?" even if I was deer or squirrel hunting.
She was born in 1920 and I always laughed and said "No, I didn't catch anyting this time!"
God love 'em.
John
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"I counted coup on that one and it was mine". How the heck do you know? Since when did not shooting become a kill?
Hey Joe Skipp, I'm with you. I was out in it too.
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Originally posted by DW:
I manage a large retail sporting goods store and we sell a lot of archery equipment...Until you work in this arena, you just don't have any idea the kind of "HUNTERS" that you share the woods with....The Majority is very good and responsible but some are just plain IDIOTS. Absolutly NO personal responsibility.....EVERYTHING that goes wrong in the woods is the EQUIPMENTS fault.....The list goes on and on and on....XXXXXX broadhead will not kill a deer, xxxxx broadhead won't let a deer bleed, IT WAS JUST A DOE, IT WAS JUST A SMALL BUCK, It don't need to be sharp, I missed 3 this morning at 60 yards,ETC.......A lot of the younger generation does not have a clue as to the real reason that we bow hunt...They have been raised on Outdoor TV SHOWS and a lot of them are instant "Trophy Hunters" who have never taken that many deer and don't know the JOY of just Enjoying the hunt and getting some experience under their belt...Just yesterday a 14 year old bowhunter, who has taken 1 deer with his compound, told me he and his Dad were going to ILL. bowhunting...I wished him Good Luck and he said "Thanks but I won't need the luck". Confidence or Youthful ignorance??????? I thought about that statement all evening while in the stand. It really makes me sick sometimes...My son Skyler and his buddy Zach hunt with me often. They know about the highs and lows of bowhunting. I believe strongly that those "lows" make the occasional "Highs" that much better. Skyler knows well, how hard it can be. I just hope that this time spent with him now, "sticks" in him and he comes to love this sport as much as I do...Sorry about the long post but this is something thats been on my mind for a while....Good Topic Quintin!!!!! Don Wilson
Right there in the same boat brother and couldnt agree more :knothead:
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I hate to hear (or see) political opinions when everyone else is talking about hunting. Save that crap for pillow talk at the office.
I also hate to hear compounders compare their scores to mine when we are shooting from the same stake at the 3d range.
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King, :thumbsup:
Joe, yes I think you should make the most of your time. But IMO it is never a good idea to hunt in the rain. But that's just me, if your confident then do what you like :D
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Not so much anything they said, but I hate the snickers and smiles when people see me shooting the longbow on the 3d range... Like I don't know what I'm doing (maybe I don't, but it ain't because of the bow)...
Funny story - had a few guys snickering at me and my buddy shooting our trads at a 3D range a few years ago... I told him I'd shoot head to head with him -- I pick the first shot, he picks the second. I walked up to a downed log about 18 inches off the ground, dropped to a knee, bent over, held the longbow horizontally, and punched one right behind the shoulder from under the log at about 10 yards. His response -- "&@#$ You!" and he walked off... I guess it's only fun if he can win!
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:biglaugh: Great story Tim!
Yeah I get a lot of funny looks at the pro shop.
And like said earlier, there are idiots out there who make all hunters look stupid. But there are also lots of good people.
Bakes
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Since you asked for my opinion...What I hate to hear is... "I killed a doe"! You can't have the does without the does and you can't have the bucks without the does. Every year here in Pa. I get as many doe tags as I can and throw them out. Want more bucks??? Kill less does! Cotton
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Originally posted by cottonwood:
Since you asked for my opinion...What I hate to hear is... "I killed a doe"! You can't have the does without the does and you can't have the bucks without the does. Every year here in Pa. I get as many doe tags as I can and throw them out. Want more bucks??? Kill less does! Cotton
I guess im just the opposite cause i hate it when I here "why would you shoot a doe" i support What was done in this state and every year i get as many doe taggs and try and fill them.
Aslo hate to here
"how can shoot with no sights'
"Your not seriously going to hunt with that thing"
" buy a real bow and maybe less deer would get wounded"
I have acctually heard these and it just makes me so :banghead: MADD
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Originally posted by cottonwood:
Since you asked for my opinion...What I hate to hear is... "I killed a doe"! You can't have the does without the does and you can't have the bucks without the does. Every year here in Pa. I get as many doe tags as I can and throw them out. Want more bucks??? Kill less does! Cotton
That's the thinking that has our car insurance so high, crossbows in the archery seasons and bluetongue disease to name a few.
On a lesser note, it makes for no rut sign, smaller and less healthy deer and spikehorns doing the breeding.
:rolleyes:
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Smart deer management requires killing of does, at least from where I'm used to hunting. We were allowed 3 deer at the government facility we hunted and 2 had to be antlerless. This is 35,000+ acres incidently so it's not like a fenced in park.
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This actually happened at a party once. Lady says "Why do you shoot those beautiful deer?" To which I replied "Until I can run faster and strangle them, shooting will have to do."
LMFAO. I'm gonna use that one.
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I really hate to hear fiberglass and wood cracking when I draw my bow at a nice buck.That really buggs me...but some food for thought guy's.....I really hate it when a fellow tradgangster shoots himself a real nice critter.....and other fellow tradgangsters...just gotta post something reads like....Wow nice doe you got there,fat doe you killed...Wonder why they do'nt just post something like nice looking deer you got.Or one of my fav's nice critter my fathers saying was.Fine looking animal you got.He never beat the guy down cause he got a critter......Any critter taken with traditional equ.should be treated with do respect....but the hunter should be as well.At least by other hunters........bowdoc
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What are you gonna do with that stick if you see "the big one"?
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Originally posted by TimRadke:
Funny story - had a few guys snickering at me and my buddy shooting our trads at a 3D range a few years ago... I told him I'd shoot head to head with him -- I pick the first shot, he picks the second. I walked up to a downed log about 18 inches off the ground, dropped to a knee, bent over, held the longbow horizontally, and punched one right behind the shoulder from under the log at about 10 yards. His response -- "&@#$ You!" and he walked off... I guess it's only fun if he can win!
Priceless... just priceless!
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A couple more I hate are the terms "cull buck" and "management buck".
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"big buck down" is getting kind of old.
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How about (from the non-hunters, which seems to be the majority) "how could you kill bambi?"
Usually said while they are on the way out the door for a hamburg, chicken, or prime rib.
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"I invited the whole family over for the boys birthday party this Saturday" (23 and 31 on Oct. 25th) :mad:
"When you come in from hunting can you just help me (fill in the blank)" It always takes hours longer than she envisions and leaves me scrambling to get back in the woods. I REALLY need to buy a hunting camp far, far away......
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"Things your hate to hear"
Well last Fri. evening it was the doe busting me as I went to draw on a nice buck that was following
I just let her walk by at less than 10 yrds and knew she was there yet I didn't look to see if she was looking when I went to draw on him :banghead:
Brent won't the party be over by time you get out of the woods LOL
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I don't like to hear "Pro Shop" used to describe an archery shop that only carries junk for compound bow shooters. No string materials, arrows spined under .400, broadheads weighing over 100 grains, forget about an actual trad bow.
I went into the above described shop, the name of the shop actually has the word, "Everything" as the lead of a two word Name!!
Asked a couple of questions about trad archery, and the man/owner said to me, "Traditional archery is dead."
I still go there ocassionally with my bow and shoot the indoor range. I know most would'nt, but I have always done things to educate the uneducated. Thats the nicest way I can say it. Most of the sucess I've had in life comes from the other thing I dont like to hear.
"No you cant do it that way"
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Dont remember readin it , but if someone else covered it Im sorry, Pulled in to check station with my nine year old son ..sportin his first turkey that he had scouted, and called in himself. It was a 18 lb jake one shot one kill Needless to say I was a proud Daddy.. But I was 250 lbs of mad when the guys @ the sportin good store said " why u kill a baby on the first day?" Reactin like a mad dad instead of a sportsman I replied"why did u open ur mouth and let th stupid fall out" :knothead: :knothead:
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Awesome reply Kieth!!!
Once upon a time people kept there self-righteous opinions to themselves unless asked for.
Congrats to you and your boy! Thats not easy for an upstart turkey hunter, let alone a 9 year old! Wow!! :thumbsup:
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Alright I'll play along too.
"We only want to shoot the old dry does"
"You can't eat the antlers" - No kidding!!!
"We've been hunting hard here in Illinois - its the second day of the hunt..."
I have to agree about "I killed my buck this year" and "If I didn't kill it someone else would have"
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-just a doe/spike
-management deer
-what, do you wanna be like robbin hood or something?
-how do you aim it? (hmmmm.... I don't know!)
-which one should I shoot? (out of a box blind looking at deer 200 yards away)
-do you wanna use my rifle if you don't get anything today? (thanks for the offer, but no!)
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I overheard this conversation between a Wal Mart sporting goods employee and a customer:
Customer: "Are these arrows any good?"
Wal Mart employee: "Yeah, I killed two dogs with one and it ain't bent or nothin'!"
I wish I had not heard that.
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From the responses to my last comment...I also hate to hear " I get as many doe tags as I can and try to fill them". I'm sure the folks who now hunt all of deer season in Pa. and see nary a tail and nary a track think this is a great idea.
I also hate to hear "Too many deer cause our car insurance to go up,and cause crossbows in archery season, and cause blue tongue disease". Car insurance is so high because there are so many careless drivers who can't drive...Crossbows are in archery season because the crossbow companies smelled the money from hunters who want it easier and easier and easier...and when the deer were so "overpopulated" in the 80's and 90's how come you never heard of Blue Tongue Disease??
I can tell you this...As a high school teacher I see the interest from youngsters toward hunting fading each year...Why??? A big part is because the guys who kill all the does have left kids who might show some interest in hunting with few deer to see and they get bored.Just today I heard a kid say.."I was going to go bowhunting last Saturday but I haven't seen a single deer yet. I went fishing." Kids don't need Huge Bucks to peak their interest...but they do need to see deer. Show the younger ones nothing, bore them, and you've lost them for good.Too many other things out there to capture their interest. Just like starting a youngster fishing...Take him to a bluegill pond, let him have a ball and he's hooked for life. Same with hunting. Better let him at least see deer. If he catches nothing or sees nothing he will give it up!
Man I love this site. What a great way to vent and to debate. HERE'S TO TRADGANG AND A GOOD OLD DIFFERENCE OF OPINION!! COTTON
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Customer: "Are these arrows any good?"
Wal Mart employee: "Yeah, I killed two dogs with one and it ain't bent or nothin'!"
Sure he wasnt talking about coyotes?
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doeboy
Yeah, I'm sure.
The worst part was that there were other customers within earshot that looked how I felt.
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I stuck him
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High tech has hijacked modern archery I'm afraid. It's an arms race and the young who are being drawn into archery now are buying it hook line and sinker. It's what they see on TV, what they read about in Field and Stream, and what they see in the archery shops.
I hate to hear "I'm getting 350 feet per second out of my bow."
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Originally posted by cottonwood:
From the responses to my last comment...I also hate to hear " I get as many doe tags as I can and try to fill them". I'm sure the folks who now hunt all of deer season in Pa. and see nary a tail and nary a track think this is a great idea.
I also hate to hear "Too many deer cause our car insurance to go up,and cause crossbows in archery season, and cause blue tongue disease". Car insurance is so high because there are so many careless drivers who can't drive...Crossbows are in archery season because the crossbow companies smelled the money from hunters who want it easier and easier and easier...and when the deer were so "overpopulated" in the 80's and 90's how come you never heard of Blue Tongue Disease??
I can tell you this...As a high school teacher I see the interest from youngsters toward hunting fading each year...Why??? A big part is because the guys who kill all the does have left kids who might show some interest in hunting with few deer to see and they get bored.Just today I heard a kid say.."I was going to go bowhunting last Saturday but I haven't seen a single deer yet. I went fishing." Kids don't need Huge Bucks to peak their interest...but they do need to see deer. Show the younger ones nothing, bore them, and you've lost them for good.Too many other things out there to capture their interest. Just like starting a youngster fishing...Take him to a bluegill pond, let him have a ball and he's hooked for life. Same with hunting. Better let him at least see deer. If he catches nothing or sees nothing he will give it up!
Man I love this site. What a great way to vent and to debate. HERE'S TO TRADGANG AND A GOOD OLD DIFFERENCE OF OPINION!! COTTON
I encourage you to speak with a wildlife biologist.
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I hate it when my wife says WE need to do something ... that is code for I better get it done!!
I know, not trad related but I hate to hear it just the same!!
Bob.
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Quotes from my archery shop...
"You sure these arrows will fly straight out of my bow?"
"What do you mean I have to sharpen these Zwickeys, can't I hunt with them like this?"
"Can I just buy 2 of those custom arrows out of that dozen?"
"Can I shoot my compound arrows off this new recurve?"
"I WHACKED a big doe last night, right in the shoulder. She ran off....we never found her. She'll be OK...I missed the vitals."
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Turkey-duke . its funny,
"We've been hunting hard here in Illinois - its the second day of the hunt..."
Almost assuredly they were sitting in a treestand. Now, not putting down the fact that they may have spent a long time in the tree...... what is so hard about that ? We hunted hard..... ????
ChuckC
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If a hunter around here refuses to shoot does and the landowner/farmer finds out, their hunting rights are usually terminated.
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Hate to hear:
"hit him perfect in both lungs, then he ran off leaving no blood"
"you expect to kill a bear with that bow?"
"carbon arrows are traditional; because there is epoxy in your bow riser"...
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ChuckC,
Yup, that's what Im talkin about. Sitting in a stand that their guide hung with no clue as to how to really get out and hunt. I've got a feeling that far fewer deer would be killed if all those "expert" hunters we have on TV had to be completely self-guided.
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Question: How can you shoot those cute deer?
Answer: Sight alignment and trigger control works every time!
What my friend said to a lady after he shot one with his smoke pole.
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Originally posted by blueslfb:
I also hate to hear "Too many deer cause our car insurance to go up,and cause crossbows in archery season, and cause blue tongue disease". Car insurance is so high because there are so many careless drivers who can't drive...[/b]
I encourage you to speak with a wildlife biologist.
FYI, In MI in 2007 over 60,000 deer were killed by car and we fall behind PA in the stats. I agree about careless drivers but I used to work for an insurance company, I can guarantee that these numbers are not ignored by an actuary.
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I don't disagree with you abou the car insurance. I see the resutls and take the reports weekly. I was encouraging him to speak with a wildlife biologist about deer management.