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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: deermaster1 on October 22, 2008, 08:48:00 PM
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i have a 29.5"-30" dl, changes depending on the grip of the bow, not sure what my "true" draw is. i have "discovered" pop up blind hunting, and i absoloutly love it. my current bow is a 64" lb, and its just to big too be comfortable in a pop up blind. i am looking at the 54" darkhorse bob lee, and the black widow ($$$$$) psr 56". i can deal some loss in accuracy, due to the fact that the area i mostly hunt is really thick...super thick. 15 yards is about as long as ill get. finger pinch never made much sense too me, or was any concern, as compound archers shoot 40" bows just fine. my concern is damageing the bow. will it damge one of these tiny bows to draw it 30"? thanks for any info!
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I have two 56" Black Swans, a 3pc recurve and 1pc hybrid. They both handle 31.5" draw without blinking and no stack. I hunt 99.9% of the time from the ground and natural blinds. Life is much easier with the short bows.
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Recurve
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Go to [email protected] see how far Lukus draws those short bows , smooth and fast .
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45" Draw
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/vermonster13/45-inches-028.jpg)
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Originally posted by LoneWolf73:
Recurve
darkhorse or psr?
thanks everyone for the feedback!
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Originally posted by vermonster13:
45" Draw
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/vermonster13/45-inches-028.jpg)
O.o that amazing! is that the black swan? i believe the tester for tbm said a swan he tested was the most efficient bow he ever tested as well...plenty to think about!
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Yes it's a Black Swan. You'll need a 58" PSR for your draw and a 64" Lee by their recommendations.
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Dont forget about the Shrew bows. You can get a 56" Classic Hunter longbow and will have no problems drawing to 30" with it.
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Originally posted by Tim Fishell:
Dont forget about the Shrew bows. You can get a 56" Classic Hunter longbow and will have no problems drawing to 30" with it.
definatly another thought! ron build one of the most beutiful bows i ahve ever seen....almost be scared to hold one. hmmmm that is a great thought....lol thanks for all of the suggestions!
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54" RER Arroyo, Quick ,quiet and will handle 30"s with no stack or pinch, best short bow out there. Static limb tips make the bow a pleasure to shoot even with a long draw and it shoots like a 62" bow. Shawn
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keep em coming. i like options!
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The Black Mountain Obsidian at 48" would be a good choice as would the new 54" version. Brent makes a beautiful bow that flat out shoots. Check out the Hope and Faith thread up top.
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I wouldn't hesitate to go 58" for blind shooting....plenty of room with a bow that long and might open up some more options with other bows for you.....
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I have a 54 inch Fedora 560 takedown that I draw to 29 inches. No stack or finger pinch. Just another option for ya.
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I'll second the 54" RER Arroyo. Very nice drawing and shooting bow as well as being very quiet. Kevin, Sue, and Family are awesome to work with as well.
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Saluki bows by Lucas Novotny. TRULY, a short, smooth, quick bow with great workmanship and service.
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I draw my 58" kanati longbow to 31.5 and she is smooth.....Nice bow and a great value- JKT traditions
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Morrison Mini-14 ILF with "D" limbs (58" AMO) if you really have a 30" draw length.
Shrew Classic Hunter 56" (and even 54" would work although I think Ron LaClair and Gregg Coffey would recommend 56").
I have both these bows (with my 29 1/2" draw length I shoot the "C" limbs on the Morrison for a 56" AMO bow) and they are great.
I don't doubt anything David Knipes or Shawn Leonard say because they know what they are talking about, but I have never tried the bows they are recommending.
Allan
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Hey Dave, that's a pretty neat scale you got there.... Jim
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A bows design is a major factor in whether a short bow will work for a long draw. As has already been mentioned, the RER Arroyo is a great short bow that will handle your draw length easily.
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I use either a 58" or 60" Widow out of my Double Bull (recurve height) with no problems. CKruse
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Black Mountain get my vote!!!
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Seeing that I'm at 32"+ for a draw, I'll second the Shrew option. Love mine (56" Classic Hunter). You might not even need one that "big". Talk to Ron/Gregg. :thumbsup:
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Originally posted by BobW:
Seeing that I'm at 32"+ for a draw, I'll second the Shrew option. Love mine (56" Classic Hunter). You might not even need one that "big". Talk to Ron/Gregg. :thumbsup:
a 56" shrew for 32"? thats awesome. shrew is lookin real good right now...
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Our little 58" Orion recurve is an option also. We had a couple of 32" draw guys shooting them at Compton. A 60" would be better in my opinion but a 58" would do it. Quite a bit more performance too.
Mike
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I've got a 29 or 30" draw and I shoot a 52" Bear Kodiak Magnum just fine.
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I'll second the RER arroyo as well, a fantastic bow and very reasonable. Its next on the list of must own bows.
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I'll throw in the Whisperstik 56" er(53.5" strung) or the 58'er(55.5 strung. 30" will be no problem for these two bows. Very smooth and quiet from a short bow. Not to mention only about a 4-6 week wait and light on the pocketbook.
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Deermaster- compound shooters use "releases" on those things,and don't worry about finger pinch. These fellows are giving you good advise on bow length. Biff
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Originally posted by deermaster1:
Originally posted by BobW:
Seeing that I'm at 32"+ for a draw, I'll second the Shrew option. Love mine (56" Classic Hunter). You might not even need one that "big". Talk to Ron/Gregg. :thumbsup:
a 56" shrew for 32"? thats awesome. shrew is lookin real good right now... [/b]
yep!
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m193/robertwestfall/DentonHill2008.jpg)
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I cannot believe a 52" kodiak Magnum handles that draw well at all, I have never see one that did not start to gain 4 plus #s ansd inch over 28"s and they start to pinch at 27"s even with tiny hands. Stay away from the Kodiak Mag. they also are very critical of release. Shawn
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I'm not as experienced as alot or the guys posting, but if you want to go with a short bow and long draw length I think you are gonna get alot of finger pinch if you are shooting split finger. When I tried a 54" bow, it didn't stack at all but even at just under 30" I was getting enough finger pinch that a smooth release was difficult. JMHO.
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The thing about finger pinch is with todays bow designs it is becomming less and less. It all comes down to the bows design. More and more bowyers are starting to develop short bows that eliminate finger pinch to a point.
For a great example look at the picture BobW posted above. He has a true 32" draw and is at full draw with a 56" Shrew longbow.
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Forward riser helps cure a lot of the finger pinch issues.
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Would a 58" Martin Mamba be a good one to shoot with a 29-30" draw?
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Originally posted by Tim Fishell:
The thing about finger pinch is with todays bow designs it is becomming less and less. It all comes down to the bows design. More and more bowyers are starting to develop short bows that eliminate finger pinch to a point.
For a great example look at the picture BobW posted above. He has a true 32" draw and is at full draw with a 56" Shrew longbow.
I could be wrong, but it looks like he is shooting 3 fingers under.
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Yes, I shoot 3-under. Didn't change because of the bow, I always did, even on my 68" ChekMate.
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I just wonder if you wouldn't have finger pinch if you did shoot split. I'm just saying that because I did. Maybe there are some tricks I'm not aware of to minimize it, but it really caused release problems for me. I honestly didn't even consider it when I got the shorter bow because I hadn't had any problems before. I was more concerned with stacking at the time.
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You ever make it up to Vermont and I'll let you shoot some that won't pinch.
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That's a deal.
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I am "only" a 29 1/2" draw length and don't have those gorilla length arms like BobW's, but I shoot split finger and don't have any finger pinch problems with either my 56" Morrison ILF or my 56" Shrew Classic Hunter. Tomorrow I will pick up a 54" Shrew Classic Hunter and will let you know how it does at my draw. From what I hear, it shouldn't be a problem either. David Knipes and Tim Fishell are right about the design of some of these bows. Most of them use a forward grip and a short riser section to get the best geometry and the most working length out of the limbs to accommodate long draws. And those long draws really add the speed. I bet BobW's arrows destroy targets quickly with the penetration he has reported!
Allan
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I can't get over that picture of BobW - that's a 56" Shrew at a 32" draw?! It looks like a pup bow! I always had a curiosity about the Shrew bows, now I've got a healthy respect for them as well!
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Dang Wihill, you figured it out. I actually only 3'-5" tall and that is a MadDog "Pup" :scared:
This bow has a consistent gain (2.5#/in) from 27" to 32". I was amazed myself. As has been said, the handle geometry also plays a role. My draw has "shortened" about an inch from my other bow, and Ron has said it is not uncommon due to the bow shape. I'd recommend one. :thumbsup: