Post by: Clay Hayes on October 14, 2008, 09:16:00 AM
You need the right kind of rope, polly climbing rope works great if you rough it up a bit. Dragging a new rope down a gravel road for a few miles will do the trick.
This works great for lock-on and ladder stands. Attach a long rope at the bottom of the tree or ladder, then above the place where you'll be sitting. It helps if it's semi tight. Make a loop with an overhand knot in a separate short piece of rope and wrap it around the tree rope (the one going from the base to where you’ll be sitting) like shown in the drawing. Now you can clip on at the bottom and slide the knot up as you climb. When you pull sudden pressure on the knot, it cinches down on the tree rope and stops decent. You're protected from the moment you leave the ground.
If this doesn't make any since, let me know, I'll try to clarify. This is my first attempt at posting an image, hope it works.
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Post by: Clay Hayes on October 14, 2008, 09:18:00 AM
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Post by: Clay Hayes on October 14, 2008, 07:57:00 PM
It solves the problem of having to climb the tree(when most falls occure) then buckle up.
Post by: ChuckC on October 14, 2008, 08:13:00 PM
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Post by: razorsharptokill on October 15, 2008, 04:29:00 AM
Post by: BobW on October 15, 2008, 08:32:00 AM
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Post by: Gatekeeper on October 15, 2008, 08:51:00 AM
Lowes and Home Depot sell a 5/8” diameter, black polypropylene rope that will work great for the main safety line and a 3/8” diameter, camouflage rope that works for the prusik knot rope.
The 5/8” rope is around $0.50 a foot and the 3/8” rope is $10 or $15 for 75’.
When doing this type of restraint system it is important that the prusik knot rope be smaller then the main safety line. The prusik knot also needs to have three turns of the rope on the top and the bottom like the picture shows. Here is a site the goes into more detail about the knot.
http://www.survivaltopics.com/survival/how-to-make-a-prusik-knot/
Do this for the ones you love.
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Post by: 30coupe on October 15, 2008, 09:00:00 AM
The prussic knot is also used on the tree attachment ropes that came with my Lone Wolf Alpha stand.
It works amazingly well.
Post by: BobW on October 15, 2008, 09:12:00 AM
Post by: razorsharptokill on November 19, 2008, 03:33:00 AM
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Post by: Whip on November 19, 2008, 06:39:00 AM
As BobW said, make sure to check the rating of the rope. Rope made specifically for rock climbing is designed to stretch in the event of a fall and will have a much higher safety factor. Don't trust your life to cheap rope! If you are going through the trouble to be safe, and I think everyone should, make sure to get good rope!
Post by: hickstick on November 19, 2008, 09:55:00 AM
as said above...buy quality CLIMBING rope....and inspect it every time....squirrels and bird love to chew and peck at the static line.
Post by: BobCo 1965 on November 19, 2008, 10:22:00 AM
Post by: metsastaja on November 19, 2008, 10:39:00 AM
On my set up I have a second prusik knot that I set just below seat level. In doing so I have a foot hold on the rope itself. In case of self rescue I can relieve the pressure of the harness or lower myself down to the ground using the 2 knots.
One small word of warning for new users. When coming down and you are about to take the last step off your climbing blocks or ladder make sure the knot is low enough so your feet reach the ground. Don't even ask just remember I told ya so.
here is a great knot link
http://www.animatedknots.com/prusik/index.php
Post by: razorsharptokill on November 19, 2008, 10:42:00 AM
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Originally posted by razorsharptokill:
So with the prusic knot being a double line to your harness, is it double the strength of the rated working load for that rope?
Post by: BobCo 1965 on November 19, 2008, 10:49:00 AM
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Originally posted by metsastaja:LOL. Good advise. Don't ask me either. :D
One small word of warning for new users. When coming down and you are about to take the last step off your climbing blocks or ladder make sure the knot is low enough so your feet reach the ground. Don't even ask just remember I told ya so.
here is a great knot link
http://www.animatedknots.com/prusik/index.php
Post by: BobCo 1965 on November 19, 2008, 10:50:00 AM
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Originally posted by metsastaja:LOL.
One small word of warning for new users. When coming down and you are about to take the last step off your climbing blocks or ladder make sure the knot is low enough so your feet reach the ground. Don't even ask just remember I told ya so.
Good advise. Don't ask me either. :D
Post by: metsastaja on November 19, 2008, 07:30:00 PM
* dynamic (stretch) characteristics reducing forces on the climber during a fall
* the importance of diameter, weight and length relative to what the rope will be used for
* durability from intense abrasion, heavy loads and the elements (sun, rain, etc.)
* rated at greater than 2000 pounds (humans that are falling can create forces greater than 2000 pounds)
from http://www.spadout.com/w/climbing-ropes/
Post by: razorsharptokill on November 20, 2008, 03:10:00 AM
Post by: metsastaja on November 20, 2008, 08:53:00 AM
Razor use what you have as a lift line for your backpack n stuff not a life line. You will need to spend some bucks but it is a lot cheaper then a hospital run.
Post by: Whip on November 20, 2008, 09:12:00 AM
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Post by: SteveB on November 20, 2008, 05:41:00 PM
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Post by: razorsharptokill on November 21, 2008, 02:21:00 AM
Post by: hickstick on November 21, 2008, 07:50:00 AM
Post by: JC on November 21, 2008, 07:55:00 AM
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Originally posted by razorsharptokill:I'd be very suspect of buying the right rope from Lowes; as Joe said, the stretch factor is important for fall arrest. Is your life worth the extra dollars you spend on climbing rope (especially the prices online) to increase your safety factor? You are correct "as far as the weak link", that's why you choose the prusic knot rope first to meet your requirements, then the mainline. Better more than less when it comes to safety.
Well got some extra rope now. I'll go to lowes and get some better rope! Thanks guys. One question though... if the prussic line has to be smaller than the static line how do you get the same strength out of a smaller line? Wouldn't it be a weak link in the system?
I'll admit I don't have a "prusic-based" safety system on all my stands for ascent/descent because I often don't keep a stand in the same place for long...but I ALWAYS use that type of system for tie-in as soon as my feet hit the platform. And my ropes and biners are way over-rated, j.i.c. The one time you need it, you won't give the extra money your spent a second thought.
Also set your rope around to the side of the tree so that if you do fall, you won't land on top of your steps...close enough to reach out and grab one but not so that it swings your body into them at the end of the fall.
Hunt safe...if for nothing more than to be able to keep hunting.
Post by: Burnsie on November 21, 2008, 06:32:00 PM
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Post by: bowless on November 23, 2008, 08:54:00 AM
If in doubt this is a pretty good deal.