A guy at work told me that one of the guys on their lease shot a buck out of his son's new treestand that they put 8 hours into setting it up and had pics of the buck from their trail cam.
The guy knew they had a new stand out, but did not know exact location and knew they were working on this big buck. He found the stand, got into it and killed the big buck.
First, would you hunt someone else's stand? Even on leased land that was yours to hunt?
Second, what would you do if this happened to you?
bhfp
I don't know much about lease rules. But if I'm in with a few guys on a lease and they wanted to hunt my stand I would'nt have a problem. Now if they argeed on not hunting on each others stands then you have to give it to them both barrel so to speak.
No. That's chicken**** and the guy knows it. What CAN you do? I guess just put the word out on him so people know what kind of guy he is.
I would think he will feel at least a little shame everytime he sees the antlers (tainted trophy). Knowing that is probably all the satisfaction you're gonna get.
My 1st reaction would be a good 'ol southern beat down. But ya gotta remember, it's only a deer.
I let people hunt my stands unless I need it to cool down or I was on to a trophy buck I know is coming through as you were. If I put in all the scouting and set-up to be able to do that I don't see why you couldn't ask someone to stay off your stand.
I would definitely have to confront him. Is there anyway he could have thought he had at least a tacit agreement to hunt that stand? If not then I would let him know that I would be telling people about what he did.
Depends on the rules/agreements.
If there where none, this shows there should have been.
Steve
That is the type of person that I do not want in my hunting club. He lets others do all the work and then he jumps in front to get the prize. If that type of behavior is legal in their lease rules/agreement, does not mean it is the right, correct, or ethical behavior.
That is why I hunt alone most of the time and keep my hunting spots to myself now.
The next time the guys on the lease seen him, he would look like rocky racoon with black rings under both of his eyes.
You put in the time,the work and all the effort! This person has no values, he is not a hunter in my book, he is a theif!!! I'm with sipsey on this one!! only my wife knows where i hunt and where my stands are, and she don't hunt!! i also put up my stands now so nobody can hunt from them!!
I have one hunting partner and we never hunt each others stands although if he asked I would have no problem. Some things just aren't done. Old boy needs the Barbie doll treatment. Slip your thumbs under his chin and pop his head off.
Jeff said he was going to let him and everyone else know what he done.
In my book, he has no values, he is not a hunter, and is a thief just like jimmerc says. Given that he won't have a problem telling everyone what a great hunter he is because he has the buck to prove it.
I would vote to kick him off the lease but Jeff says that will cause a problem.
I suggested Jeff start using climbing stands so the lazy bum could not hunt his stand.
No I would not hunt someones stand without permission to do so.. As far as causing a problem to boot the guy... Well, we would have a problem because this guy would be gone. If not, my lease "money" and I would be soon enough.
JDSIII
Hunting from someone else's stand is very much like hunting private land. If a guy doesn't have permission in advance, then he shouldn't go near the stand or even hunt within 200 yrds of it. This is simple common courtesy.
When a grown man has to steal a deer from a kid... well, that says a lot about that individual, doesn't it.
Ron
I am with Biggie, I have had this happen to me with my own brother. I even told him I was gonna leave the stand go until at least Halloween. Guess what? I caught him coming out of there one evening, brother or no brother he got what he deserved. Shawn
Tell him that he ain't in Kansas(or where ever he comes from)no more...and then kick his tail. Always use a catch phrase.
QuoteThis person has no values, he is not a hunter in my book, he is a theif!!!
QuoteAs far as causing a problem to boot the guy... Well, we would have a problem because this guy would be gone. If not, my lease "money" and I would be soon enough.
QuoteHunting from someone else's stand is very much like hunting private land. If a guy doesn't have permission in advance, then he shouldn't go near the stand or even hunt within 200 yrds of it. This is simple common courtesy.
QuoteWhen a grown man has to steal a deer from a kid... well, that says a lot about that individual, doesn't it.
These guys pretty much covered how I feel about and what I would do.
QuoteI would vote to kick him off the lease but Jeff says that will cause a problem.
What kind of problem? What he might get mad? Big deal. Doing the right thing isn't always the easiest thing to do.
Mmm, Mmm, Mmm. I hope this boy wasn't hunting with a Trad bow. We'd have to pay a visit.
I had something similar happen to me a few years ago. A fellow who had just moved up here shot a buck that dressed out at 237 and scored 150" out of my ground blind with a rifle. The land while private is open to hunters and sometimes them's the breaks. I had three years invested in that buck and as anyone from Vermont can tell you one with mass like that is real rare here.
Moral: Know thy hunting partners. Don
I wouldn't hunt another persons stand unless invited to do so. Always thought it was bad luck. Also a safety risk, as you never know if its hung properly or sturdy.
The buck in my avatar was the biggest buck shot on the property. They had pictures of him and everything. When I was invited down to hunt they said take a doe or mature buck. Well in my estimation this was a mature buck. I didn't know at the time that it was the buck in the picture. That was four years ago and I still feel bad. They hadn't let anyone but family hunt there, ever. I could have shot a small buck that morning. I don't know how similar this really is to your situation, but I've wondered what others thought.
Sounds like no permission was granted so I'd say the shooter was a low down skunk and I'd let all of the lease members know what he is. Maybe you'll drive him out by shunning him.
Aggravating? Yes... But as someone else has stated, "it's only a deer". I'd definitely confront the guy. I'd definitely have issue if there was an agreement to not do this. And even if not, it violates a gentlemen's agreement for sure. Worthy of a discussion with this guy and everyone on the lease.
But definitely not worth any kind of physical altercation (unless you are bigger than him...LOL).
I have had this happen with my own father :knothead: from a natural ground blind but he only wounded the buck :banghead: , which in turn compounded the problem. I told him pretty much what all of you stated, keeping in mind it was my father, in a respectful way but there was some tension there for a while. I, like you feel if you can't "put in your own work" then do us all a favor and stay out of our hunting spots unless there is a reason you can't do it(physical limitations etc.) and a prior agreement has been made.
In Ilinois, there is nothing illegal about hunting someone else's stand, while they aren't there. (unfortunately) Let it be a lesson. If he were tresspassing or something like that, well that's different. You'll do more by spreading the word about him than confronting him, because guys like that just don't care.
Legal or not it is not right and should not be done unless it was oked ahead of time.I would tell the fellow what I thought and explain the rules for the future in no uncertain terms so he would understand what he should and should not do any where around me.
I dont hunt from stands
Sorry boys, its hunters code, you do not move in on a guy who is hunting a certain buck or having luck in a certain area. Its just not done. He would be out at our farm. He doesnt need to be told not to hunt there or anything like that. It goes without saying. I know its only a deer, but real friends wouldnt do that to ya. Up here its called a northern beat down. Mike
Is this a bad situation that has caused some bad feelings? Yes! Here is what we don't know, what is the general "rule" on this lease? On our lease, we all agree that any empty stand is fair game. We all help put up each other's stands so I guess we all put in the work. I have hunted other's stands and they have hunted mine. One morning a guy on the lease shot a deer out of one of my stands (pretty good deer, too). I met him at the gate as I was dragging out a deer I shot out of his stand about the exact same time.
If the guys on the lease agreed that "to each his own" was the rule, the fella did the wrong thing. On our lease we can't do that because it is nowhere near big enough to start calling dibs on any certain deer, so we make it clear up front.
I would be upset as well if this happened to me. Since we don't really know the whole situation, our recommendations all seem to be a little harsh. If this guy really does deserve the treatment recommended, this will not have been a first offense. Bad actors are bad actors because they have a track record of acting bad. I am lucky to have good guys with me on my lease. The same feelings would have probably happened even if the guy shot the deer all they way on the other side of the property. Perceived ownership is tough to reconcile.
It is more difficult since a young person was involved. This makes for an even better reason to set a good example and handle this in a proper way.
OkKeith
That sounds kind of like the guy who always wants to fish the front of the bass boat so he's always casting into new water. Too concerned about his own desires to consider others.
That is why i try and carry a stand in and put it up the day I hunt and take it out with me when I leave. I also pull out the steps on the ones I leave out. Most guys are to lazy to screw in steps and just jump into the first stand they see. Bad deal, hope you get some resolution.
I hunt public land exclusively I come across empty stands all the time and what I do is back out of the area. To me hunting from another guys stand is just like sleeping with your friends girl. This guy is a gutless piece of crap.
I would confront him and tell him what I thought of him and I would never talk to him again.
Just my feelings.
Brian
cut down the tree he was in so no one can ever use it again.confront him with it, he needs to be told he was wrong becasue he doesnt realize it on his own.
Lease or no lease. Agreement or no agreement. You do not hunt another persons stand unless youu ask them right before you do it. I don't mean ask a guy this year and hunt it forever. Me and longbowben have been hunting together for a long time now and we have an agreement that we hunt each others stands. But out of courtesy I still ask him a day or two in advance if i can hunt it or not. Most of the time I won't even ask cause i have my own.
doeboy-whats the tree got to do with it? Never hurt anybody.
Biggie and Shawn hit it right :thumbsup:
Mike
Whats done is done. You can let him know how you feel but it probably wont make a difference to him.
I learned long ago that most of the people I run across in the woods have a different sense of right and wrong behavior then I.
The best thing to do is set up your stands in such a way that they can't just walk up and hunt it and don't tell anyone about big deer your patterning. It still won't stop them but it will make their effort a little more.
In my recent book 'My Neck of the Woods,' Ch. 30 is devoted to this very topic. 'A Personal Stand' previously appeared in Bowhunter Magazine and I got a ton of response to that article, obviously hitting a nerve. When I get to my stand, I want it to be fresh.
Could be some background that we do not know about. I have seen folks go and set up a "stand" in areas that any reasonable person would consider "club ground" open to all. And others still go and set up a "stand" when they were not the only members who knew of a particular buck. It's called "Squatting" an area out. Most leases have too many members - and frankly Stands left in the woods should be left for ANY member to hunt. I say that because I would rather have members share stands - than stink up the woods hanging extra stands. Communication is the key though - at ALL the clubs we belong to we share stands all the time. Public land I carry my stand in - be it a Chippewa or Lone Wolf - been doing it ever since I went to stand in Utah and a guy was climbing into my ultra lite - be politely backed off immediately - but get this - every single person I have ever talked to in Utah thinks it is OK to sit a stand they find?!?!?!? - as to this particular situation I would probably move to get all parties concerned out of the club.
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Ooops - and the other question - NO I would not hunt someone else's stand.
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if i was told by the person that i was welcome to hunt his stand i would, i give permission to good friends to use my stands and i am very happy for them if they get one.
QuoteA guy at work told me that one of the guys on their lease shot a buck out of his son's new treestand that they put 8 hours into setting it up and had pics of the buck from their trail cam.
The guy knew they had a new stand out, but did not know exact location and knew they were working on this big buck. He found the stand, got into it and killed the big buck.
You say the guy didn't know the exact location of the stand but found it. How do we know if he new what stand he was in? Perhaps he just found one and decided to sit that particular stand for the day. Who's to say that the big buck would have come by while the son was sitting the stand? You can't lay claim to an animal that is fair chase. If the hunter had sat another stand and the big buck came by and he shot it, would that make him wrong even knowing they were after it? Not trying to provoke anyone but, lay some food for thought. Wish we knew all of the story here.
and another thing - Who takes EIGHT HOURS to put up a treestand?!
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Perhaps a one armed man..Cory?
They spent eight hours on one stand? I'm surprised the deer came back! One would think they left a lot of scent around that area.
Is it common to share stands on that lease? If he didn't know where they were hunting, was there some way for him to know it was "the" stand? Was his name on the stand?
Not enough information here for me to decide that the guy was wrong.
Last season, I had a big main frame ten point with a drop tine in my hunting area. Had him under my stand, but no shot. A friend shot him during shotgun season. I was disappointed that I didn't get him, but I sure didn't blame the other guy for taking him. Not exactly the same situation, but my point is as long as another hunter has the right to be there, him getting the deer is just the way it goes. If they guy wanted the buck for his son, he shouldn't have advertised him, especially on land shared with others.