I was always impressed with the results they had on Fred Eichler's videos so I Bought a couple of packs of theese. They are without a doubt the dullest broadhead I have ever seen. Is this normal for theese heads? Even the bleeders are dull you can put your thumb on the blades, push down and run it up and down the blade. I don't know wether to return them or sharpen them like a fixed blade head. Do any of you guys use theese? Thanks Greg
Hmmm...just before I clicked on the computer I mounted 3 new Phantoms for tomorrow. I only had to use the butchers steel a few strokes on each one for them to pop hair. The inserts are so sharp, I was scared of them.
I dunno Greg. I've gone thru 4- 3paks this year and haven't had a dull one yet.
What weight ones are you shooting Biggie?
I have some stainless 220s and while not the dullest ever, they did need to be sharpened.
Interesting, I've found them to be pretty scarp out of the package and if they weren't their not hard to make sharp.
Theese are the 125 grain 4 blades. Biggie we are not even in the same ballpark forget popping hair, these won't pop a balloon. Greg
I have been using them for a few years now. The 220 grain models. I have honestly never had a problem with them right out of the pack. I even think Recurve 50LBS cut his arm checking one of mine.
I use the 220's. I'm puzzled.
I used 125's this year came out of the package real sharp. One shot on complete pass through on a doe quartering away. Joe
I just ordered some 125's and hope they are pretty sharp, because i am sharpening challenged, if you know what i mean.
Just a question,do they make a pratice head that you might have been sent by mistake if not you my have just gotten a bad batch. Send them back they will make good on them.
Surprised Mark Land has not responded to this yet. He will make things right.
I have been using Phantoms for a couple of years and will say it has not taken me much to get them razor sharp as they are already pretty good right from the start.
I have been shooting Muzzy Phantoms (both 100 grain and 125 grain) since they first came out and find them to be very sharp right out of the package. I also shoot the Muzzy MX-4 in 125 grain in my compound bow and find them to be very sharp and deadly. I think you may have gotten a pack that just needed to be sharpened. One thing I know is that Muzzy will fix any problem and just might send you a pack!
When not using Grizzly ElGrande's, I use Phantom 220's. Like Biggie, I just need to touch them up (at most)to have them ready to go. Honestly, I've gone through several npacks in last two or three years and have never had a dull one.
Claudia
What do you guys mean when you say it doesn't take much to get them sharp? I thought they were supposed to be sharp out of the package. these are the first replaceable blade heads I've bought in 25 years. maybe I misunderstood, I thought you could use them right out of the package. Do you sharpen them with a file, or just touch up on a stone. How much sharpening should you have to do? Every body keeps saying they've never seen a dull one but in the next sentence they say they just needed a light sharpening? Greg
GregD.
There's sharp and then there's hunting sharp.
I don't know if I've ever heard of a reusable head that was sharp enough to hunt with out of the package. Some of the replacables are but they're nothing more than razorblades and are too flimsy to suit most bowhunters.
Again, I only use a butchers steel on the Phantoms. 3 or 4 licks on each blade. They get bumped around in the package. Like pulling them in and out of your quiver a coupla times will knock the "oh baby" off of them.
I wouldn't dare push down and run my finger over one even before I touched it up.
Mark is huntin' I'm sure he'll bounce in here soon.
I got three new packs of the 220s in a trade last fall and not one of them didn't need some work way beyond a steel.
QuoteOriginally posted by Biggie Hoffman:
GregD.
There's sharp and then there's hunting sharp.
I don't know if I've ever heard of a reusable head that was sharp enough to hunt with out of the package. Some of the replacables are but they're nothing more than razorblades and are too flimsy to suit most bowhunters.
Again, I only use a butchers steel on the Phantoms. 3 or 4 licks on each blade. They get bumped around in the package. Like pulling them in and out of your quiver a coupla times will knock the "oh baby" off of them.
I wouldn't dare push down and run my finger over one even before I touched it up.
Mark is huntin' I'm sure he'll bounce in here soon.
A bit off-topic sorry. The 'Ashby' broadheads from Alaska Bowhunting are hunting sharp out of the box reusable blade.
I just got a pack of the 220's in yesterday. And the main blade and bleeder blade will shave hair off out of the package.
I am a retailer and bought the last two packs I had 125s and I was disgusted sharp yes no problem there but the blades are loose and rattle something fierce it is so bad you can not carry them in a bow quiver it is bad thought bout super glue but why should I have to what really is upsetting is thinking about all the bow hunters I sold these things to urg!!!!!!!!!
I've bought 3 packs recently and all but one head were shaving sharp out of the package..a few licks on the KME and they are scary sharp.
I have always found the Phantom 125's to be plenty sharp out of the package. Sounds luke you got a bad set of blades. I'd contact Muzzy. They will make them good.
Got a complete pass thru last weekend on a doe @ 19 yards out of 51 longbow. Mine(phantom 125s) were sharp right outa the pack. didn't do anything to them but screw em on.
I use the 220 heads, with the bleeders removed ( hard to do) so they are 200 grains. they were sharp, but not harp popping. I used my KME and they are sharper, will cut a rubberband real easy! They still are not scalpel sharp and I do not know if I can ever get them that way, I seem to struggle with getting stainless super sharp.
Bob.
how do remove the blades i`ve tried an scared of breaking them????
Ron from KME puts the blade in a piece of 2x4 then gets the bleeders out. Know matter how you do it, it seems to be difficult and dangerous. they seem like a great head, but I think next year I will try something else as these are kinda scary to work on.
Call Ron and ask him to explain. he is better than me.
I got home today and my muzzy phantoms had come in the mail and let me tell you............razor sharp out of the package. I cant wait to try these out on a deer or hog tomorrow morning.
I've used them for 2 years now and I like them. I've had excellent results with them and they are very well designed/made in my opinion. The bleeder blade is tricky to get out but it can be done. Just be very careful. In my experience the heads came sharp but I still touched them up with a ceramic stick to get them even sharper. I've found them a little tricky to re-sharpen after shooting animals/hitting the ground since the steel seems to be quite hard. I'm surprised yours were that dull. I consider them to be an excellent head and being stainless means no rusting which is nice.
For many years I used Zwickey 2 blade Eskimos with my "contraption bow" and while they penetrated great and were durable they did not leave very good blood trails when I felt they really should have. In fact most of the time the blood trails were pretty much non-existent on good hits and the arrows were still hair popping sharp. Having switched to the Phantoms and having had the results and excellent blood trails I have with them, I will not be going back to the 2 blade heads anytime soon for the animals I hunt. Good hunting, Rick.