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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Savate on October 05, 2008, 11:43:00 AM
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I've never been out during deer season and don't know where to start.
Every year I try to get my trad gear together, reading every article and forum post I can find.
But then what? I don't know where to go to even scout or step on someone's turf. I don't even know the first thing about tree-stands (just what I learned in bowhunting class) and would rather spot-and-stalk.
Does anyone ever take a newbie along with them or is that just considered a recipe for a "ruined hunt"?
Is my only hope to go pay someone to "guide" me on their land?
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Do you have any public ground that you can go to???
Deer cannot go underground or float above it... They leave SIGN.. This isn't rocketscience finding where the deer are. Being at the right place at the right time is an educated guess.
Walk an oak ridge or around the edges of a crop field looking for sign. Another great place that will funnel deer and is easy to "find" is a creek crossing. Deer are creatures of habit and use the same places to cross creeks, fences, even walking around obstacles. Be it a rock bluff, blowdown ect.. Another easy thing to do that requires a bit more work.. Esp. if your on public ground find the thickest most nasty cover far away from the parking lots.. You will find the deer. Remember to always pay attention to the wind. A deer smells you and the game is over.
Good luck out there.
JDS III
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Like you, I had no mentor when I was starting out. I read as much as I could (TBM and Deer and Deer Hunting are two good magazines to start with) and practiced shooting at every opportunity.
This was pre-internet, so it took a little doing to research the wildlife management areas, National Forests and game regulations in my state. The rules change from county to county, and so I had to see which ones allowed the weapon of choice, and when I could hunt. The state fish and game magazine offered more info on top of that, kill statistics by county, and how the mast crop was. The game and fish agency in your state can help you also.
I started hunting on my own, and have done so ever since. My learning curve has probably been a little flatter because of this, but I didn't learn anybody else's bad habits, either.
First off, you need to know the regs. Second, you need to find land to hunt on. I hunt public land exclusively, though I may have a line on some private land this year. Hop online, get your info, and go for it. You will learn as you go, and pick up stuff from books, friends, and your pals here. Hoist up your pants and hit the woods!
Killdeer
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I am not exactly sure of the name I believe it is "Mapping Trophy Whitetails" or something like that. Brad Herndon wrote the book and it explains in detail what sort of terrain features funnel deer and how to identify these spots using maps. I believe you will find this book helpful, and it should give you an idea where to start looking.
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I agree with the above. I like creek crossings and crop fields, especially standing corn fields since they really funnel deer.
If you can find some private ground to hunt it would make it easier since hunting pressure makes things harder. Usually people are more likely to let bow hunters hunt than gun hunters.
Usually the first year is a lot of learning the area. I would keep a journal of temp,wind direction and deer sightings for future reference
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Get ahold of some of the old Wensel and Brunner videos/DVDs :thumbsup:
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Great advice above........I would add join an archery club if there is one in your vicinity.
Guided hunts will accellerate your learning process greatly, and if she/he is any good the guide will work your tail off.
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Like everyone said so far...Good stuff.
But i will add my .02
Get videos, TBM and ask like crazy here at TG, buy the book Come Novemeber by Gene wensel. Also dont hesitate to go out and ask a land owner/farmer that is near you for the privalege to hunt their land(you should search and read more on this process) You have nothing to lose in doing this i might add, since you have no hunting area, asking will only gain you that possibility. You like hunting on the ground...cool, me too. Go buy stalking and stillhunting, the Ground hunters bible by G.Fred asbel. Study, learne, fail, analyze...succeed. As to Public land, call the state and ask them to send you a book on the legal hunting area's in NC and almost any state forest will allow you to hunt....by the way, public land doesnt have anyones "turf" we all just follow the basic laws of man, and if you see someone that i set up before you, just move along, no worries. Most important after finding the land is getting out there ALOT. So like Killie said "Hoist up your pants and hit the woods!" :archer:
Good luck bud, dont be discouraged, it isnt easy but it is the biggest reward.
P.
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Savate, go to tradgang home forum and scroll down to traditional clubs. There is some info there that may connect you to other traditionalist in your area. Good luck.
bhfp
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I appreciate the support.
How do I know, when I pull up to the parking lot near public lands, whether I'll be walking through places where I'm spooking deer (walking under treestand, etc)? I just hate to traipse around the forest looking like an idiot and ruining other people's hunts.
I guess I need to buy Stalking and Stillhunting!
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Walk in to "scout" and bring your bow of course on any weekday between 10am and 3pm.. You shouldn't bother anybody unless it is the middle of November (rut)...
GREAT advice from bowhunterfromthepast.. Find a local bowhunter/archery group to join.. Great help and make new buddies.
John III
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Get on google maps and look at the area you want to hunt. You can view it as satellite photos or topographic maps (terrain). Use photo's to look for changes in vegetation that might be attractive to deer as feeding or bedding areas. Use terrain to look for land features that might funnel deer movements (ridges, saddles, ravines, creeks/rivers). You can pick a few spots off the map and then check them out for sign on the ground. It will help you wander with a purpose. Relate what you find on the ground with what you see on the map and use it to interpret the map for other good spots.
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If you wanted to take a look at "Mapping Trophy Bucks" it's available on google books: Mapping Trophy Bucks (http://books.google.com/books?id=C3gXZcD_EKkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Mapping+Trophy+Whitetails&sig=ACfU3U2Jcl9JfV1yk4Dx0zHYheat76nJlA#PPP1,M1) . There's lots of good books on bowhunting Whitetails available on google books if you can stand to read from a computer screen for long periods of time. It can be a great resource to preview books you are thinking about buying.
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Savate if you get a chance you can come down here and go with me for a few days, I have plenty of ground and maybe we could both learn some things! With approximately 5000 acres and only me there is plenty of ground, I am in Meriweather county GA probably a four to five hour drive from you.
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If you can spend aproximately $200 for aMO archery tag and can get to kansas city , MO, i would be happy to take you under my wing. I've been working with a couple guys for the past several years and now they think they are ready to strike out on their own. It's a 20 hour drive from the coast to MO if you do become interested. I have acess to plenty of public and some private ground to hunt.PM me if you get interested. I leaveNov1st for IA birds and KS deer so will have to work around that.
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Anaconda12, good on you for volunteering your services. I agree with all the advise above but, sometimes no matter what you do, you can still learn a lot more from someone who has been there and can help point out things first hand.
Top rate advice from all. This is how we look out for the future of our sport. :clapper:
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Lots of great advice. As mentioned the shortest way to shorten your learning curve is to hook up with someone in the know. Kinda like steelheading certain pockets or holes in some very big rivers always seem to hold fish. Like that in the woods too. Certain spots hold more game. Spend time pre-season scouting if you can. Just take your binos and sit out before dark. Watch where the deer come out of the bush to feed on the crops. The bigger bucks come out last it seems. Mark these spots visually. Next day get back there and find the trails that lead down to the spots where the deer came out. The deer usually are relaxed and appear well before dark prior to opening day. Set your ground blind/tree stand up close by those well used trails always keeping in mind wind direction. Still hunting or stand hunting have the wind on your side (cross wind) or in your face. Not at your back. Play the wind constantly. Hang a small feather from your bow tip, or hang a thin piece of toilet paper where you can see it. I have been using that powder in a squeeze spray bottle lately and it works well. Preseason scout, find the honey holes, use the wind, always hunt the magic hours just before full daytime and just before dark. Hunt the days in and around a full moon when game activity is highest. As mentioned learn to read the sign. Learn how to track, how to
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Savate you had better be glad you were not with me yesterday, I would have failed in the teaching you how to keep dry training! Man we got four inches of rain here yesterday, but boy we sure did need it!
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Have you ever played hide and seek?
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You guys are awesome...I could proably travel around the Southeast all season and get some real "school'n"!
I'm a wrestling coach so I better get moving before THAT season kicks off!
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Plenty of public land for you to hunt in NC. Might be best to travel to the piedmont area of the state to hunt deer - way more deer there. Don't know your mobility or experience or age.
Scouting: between 10 & 3 - you won't disturb anyone as mentioned - Sundays good too.
Camping: Good way to access some of the better Gamelands - simple camp - best if you can set up your truck as a place to bunk.
Gamelands: Jordan, Harris Lake, Falls Lake are all LOADED with deer. No kidding if you spent one vacation week each year hunting any one of these you would probably take home a couple of deer. During October you would see deer almost every time out - and almost never see another hunter. Locals prefer to hunt private land over bait - instead of the gamelands on natural feed. Persimmons are jammin Now - acorns are dropping and will carry you through to Muzzleloader - then it is time to bale off public land.
We're running late this year - but if you can do a scout trip in September - and hunt October (one week) or couple a times a few days each - you WILL be into deer.
If you can get here I will show you around - but there are good public spots hours closer to you - Charlotte and west of Charlotte - so check those out first.
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Where do you hunt? I didn't see where you are. If you are near south western Illinois, I have places for you to hunt and I can show them to you.
Dan
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Savate, Cory and others gave some good tips as where in NC to find deer. He is right, many more deer over this way and not too far along I-40 to drive. If you have a few extra dollars for a NR license, Anaconda12's offer was VERY generous, you might want to jump on that one! I second the suggestion to join some trad bowhunting groups and the two I recommend for you are are the TBG(http://www.tradbowgeorgia.com/index.htm) and the CTA ( http://thecta.org/results.html). Both have great group hunts coming up, but the upcoming (unofficial) TBG hunt at Horse Creek provides the bonus of hog hunting too.
There are plenty of experienced trad bowhunters in both groups and I doubt that you will have trouble finding a mentor to help you out.
Jeff
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I have to admit that I even learned something that I should have already known, I learned there is a hidden pair of crabapple trees on this property that I did not know existed, and the way the wind was I could not position my stand inorder to hunt both of them and sure enough all the deer around fifteenyep you guessed it were under the OTHER tree all evening last night figures huh!
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Jeff mentioned the group hunts - EXCELLENT idea. Blackbeard is a public hunt - and they have December dates - since most places have been SHOT OUT by then you won't miss anything at home - This hunt is probably the single best for learning what works and what does not - pertaining to "Camps" and camp set up - I could spend a whole trip doing just that - walking in and out of other camps. I am not going this year - check the TBG website - usually some guys from there go.
Also worth coming down to scout a Sunday this year - planning for next year - let me know if you can make it and I will go over to Jordan - there are sections that simply do not get hunted during bow season.
Camping for sure
Boat is good - Canoe is OK too.
Best Climber is a Lone Wolf
Best Hang on is a Chippewa
Good to have both.
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Hey guys,
I'm really happy about all the support!
I'm in Western NC in Waynesville (near Asheville).