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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: 8up on February 23, 2007, 02:26:00 AM
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Ok I have been on a binge to buy a new bow. I have been shooting an early 70's Bear Super Grizzly at about 45# at 26". Today I talked with Mike Fedora and am convinced I want a 52" Stalker.
Now comes the dilemma. I feel with work I will be able to pull 55# so I don't want to order a 50# bow and later wish I had a 55# bow as I can ony afford to do this once.
Option #1 I order the 55# and pull it a little each day as I shoot my 45#? I shoot everyday so is this a realistic plan?
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Option #2 I buy a Bear Grizzly for $150 and shoot it until I can control it Then order the 55# Fedora?
The problem with option #2 is I will use up a good chunk of my saved money on the Grizzly.
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My suggestion is shoot the poundage that you will be comfortable with. Overbowing yourself won't be very much fun
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My suggestion would be to buy the 50# if that particular model is what you have your heart set on. In my opinion, 50# is more than adequate for anything you are likely to hunt.
For what it's worth, read over as many threads as you can regarding bow weight. There are 10 times as many people coming down in weight as apposed to going up. There is a reason for that.
Remember, you said you will probably not do this again(we have all said that...lol) so you have to make sure that the bow you do choose is as multi purpose as it can be. To each his own, but in my opinion, you would enjoy the lighter weight more.
KPC
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I vote 50# too.
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50 ought to be enough; but are you ordering 50 at your 26 inch draw- or 50 at 28" ?? Correct me if I am wrong; but most bows loose about 2 pounds per inch or gain about that- so a 50 pound bow would be about 46 pounds at your draw; and a 55 pound would be about 51 at your 26 inch draw. I would think that would differ from bow to bow and have length and other factors influencing it too.
New bow :) that is a fun thing :)
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Order 52#...
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Well there is really nothing you can do with 55lbs that you can not do with 50.Chances are you will do it better with the lighter weight. jmo
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I jumped in shooting 62# took awhile to get built up for it. Then I ordered a bow and had it made for 62#. Starting to shoot 3D and wish I had a set of lighter limbs, can't afford it now. I wish I would have ordered my bow at 55#. So my answer to your dilema is what Bayou said 52-53# a happy medium.
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I used to hunt with 50 to 60 lb bows. Now I hunt with 40 to 48 lb bows. Over time you learn things and smarten up. Get the 50 and enjoy the comfort and confidence.
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Not sure how long you've been shooting trad, but, when I started, I was drawing 26" as you are. After shooting around a year, my draw went to 27.5" for some reason. May have gotten stronger, form changed or something, but now the bow I had made at 53@26 is more like [email protected]. No problems with it at all but just thought I'd give you an idea that your's may change as well.
Rob
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Go with the 50# and if ya do gain an inch in pull you'll get a couple more pounds....
A well shot 50 with good arrow flight and shot placement will Kill anything on the North American continent....
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Ron,
I'm probably the odd man out here, but I'll give you a different senerio.
I'd say order a bow from Mike anywhere between 45 to 50 lbs at your true draw length. Many might disagree with me, I'd also say stay closer to 47/48#. With Mike's Stalker, he will build it to your draw length, and since it is a short bow, those limbs will unfold and perform better or equal to a heavier bow.....believe me.
Shorter Bows are also sometimes harder to shoot and more sensitive to finger pinch and release (I said sometimes......don't beat me up everyone). Do not throw in another factor by possibly being overbowed as well.
If you plan to hunt local in Tennesee, you'll probably be hunting whitetail, some hogs, and bear....right? I'm sure you'll be shooting some 3D with it too. That lighter weight will be plenty, you'll see.
And the best part of it is that the bow will be a joy to shoot at that weight, you'll keep your form in check, and your shoulder in great shape.
Another thing, shoot that lower weight for about a year and see how it performs for you through hunting season.
Buy yourself some decent carbons that match that short bow and it will be a deadly set up.
Make sure you also talk to Mike about his famous thumb rest. Talk about comfortable...........
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Have them make it a 50#er. That is all you'll most likely need, and you won't end up developing bad habits or injuries.
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You could always get a T/D. Then if you wanted to step up ypu could just order limbs. Just a thought.
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Or you could go with an Xtreme takedown hybrid longbow. They can make them 54" and you can order extra sets of limbs as you want/need them.
The Xtremes are some very fast, very quiet bows with all the manners of a good recurve.
My shooting/hunting buddy has one. I took him to Fedoras to look at recurves. He didn't want a longbow and he didn't want a takedown. After shooting a bunch of curves I convinced him to try an Xtreme. He bought it.
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I had a similar dilima when I ordered my custom, I wanted to shoot 55# but need good form more than more a few more #s. I ordered mine at 52#s, and I am sure glad I did!! I can control the weight, work on form, and am having fun doing it.
Jake
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Ok so far its go with the Fedora at 50# with some saying 52#. I like the idea. I was just trying to maximize my draw weight to compensate for my short draw. I just want to make sure I have enough to do the job, on deer, matbe a hog or black bear. If I ever get to elk hunt it will most likely be a one time thing and I will use a gun most likely.
Thanks to everyone who gave their advice.
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I like the split-the-difference and go with a bow in the 52-53# range if you feel you need more that 50#.
Also I like the takedown idea with 2 sets of limbs.
If you went with that 50# Grizzly for $150, you could resell it for about that if you still felt you wanted to move up in weight. That would free up your spending money again.
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I went from a 60# to a 50# Vision. I used to like the way the arrows would fly out of the 60#. I clocked them @209 FPS once with a cedar arrow. The 50# is noticeably slower but my groups are much tighter. I also enjoy shooting it more as I feel like I'm able to work on form instead of constantly fighting the bow.
MY son is 19 and he like the idea of pulling a heavy bow so he's using the 60# for now. We're both happy.
The Amish have a saying... "Too soon old, too late smart."
God Bless and God's speed,
Rusty <><
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I was in the same delima. I got a take down and I'm glad I did. I have Two sets of limbs 39# and 45#. I'm glad I did the light ones for leagues and switching to heaver limbs and broadheads for hunting big game. They take the same spine arrow for both.
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I just sold a 2006 Assenheimer I thought it was pretty and it shot well but was bulky compared to the bear I'm shooting. It was 62 inches and felt heavy. If I were going to shoot a takedown it woud have to be a really light one(not draw weight) I might would like the Fedora 560 t/d 54"
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Just a note on speed. If you are going up in weight to get more speed than your old bow, there is no need. Any Fedora should beat that old Bear hands down.
Dave in Ft. Collins, CO
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I jumped from 50-61# years ago and I am glad I did though at the time I did it solely so I could legally hunt moose in NH. I needed to work at it a bit but now the 61# is a light bow. Joint problems my arse. It is the lack of weightlifting and excercise that is causing the joint problems. Some YOUNG guys now can't move a glass without pulling a muscle. The general softening of the American male. When I HAVE to go lighter I will. Pushin' 50, I ain't there yet. I'm not going gently into that good night! I want to hunt BIG game in Africa one day soon! :biglaugh:
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There is nothing wrong with going up in weight. You have everything to gain from the added horsepower as long as you can control it well. If your heart is set on more poundage my suggestion would be to order the 55# bow and get yourself a bowfit in the heavy size (50 to 80#), and maybe the companion video. 3Rivers Archery sells both. Start using the bowfit right away, and by the time Mike has your bow completed you will be ready to take on the additional weight in a controllable manner.
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Wow this is an old thread. I ended up with a 53# @ 26" and have not been able to control it very well. I actually called Mike today to have him narrow the handle and take a few pounds off....Ron
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8up, bringing it back up is my fault. I did a search on Fedora and this thread popped up. I became interested in it and posted without thinking it was an old thread. It's good, though, to hear the resolution of your weight issue.
Dave in Ft. Collins, CO
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I think the 50 pounder should be fine. I shot a 350 pound bow for over a decade; and my forearms got so big; the string hit me everytime. I had a doctor cut off the skin from my arm and had it tanned; and then re-attached to serve as a natural armguard; but eventually it wore out; and I am not sure it was worth the effort.
50 pounds should do the job unless you flight shoot elephants: like I do all the time. Yes I get excellent penetration on everything from squirrels to rino; its really expensive to buy brooms and cut off the handles for arrows.
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I wouldn't go over 50lbs; if you are shooting 45 now, 10lbs is a big jump on a stickbow, like adding 30+ pounds on a compound, or close to it. Have him make it the weight you want at your draw length, for sure. 50 is plenty for anything except maybe a big bear on this continent.
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Go with the 50#'er - it's plenty. :archer: