Thats right , the new Arrow Dynamics Hammer Head trad EFOC arrow shafts are in boys, 420 grain raw 32" shaft, thats 13.125 grains per inch.
We are proud to have been part of the process of developing this new arrow shaft, now you will be able to get a mid 500 grain arrow with a 125 grain point without brass or tubing, if you want a mid to low 600 arrow add brass insert or 160+ point and your set. Of course these are in wood grain to boot.
They just came in so they are not on the web site yet www.raptorarchery.com (http://www.raptorarchery.com) , I will try to get them there tomorrow , but of course you can call and order them now 541-386-4503 We have only 20 dozen to start so dont procrastinate, more on the way though. Nice to have these before hunting season.
These sound interesting. What spine ranges?
Only one spine range , the Trad heavy style of 250 deflection, but these work out of just about everything I can throw at it .
I have shot these arrows with a 25# recurve a 62# recurve, a 50 # long bow and my personal 60# selfbow and they all shot it fine.
I also sent out a few samples a couple of weeks ago to some of you , you know who you are ,lets hear some feedback , Dave? Curtis? Vance? Terry?
Ted,
Sent ya a pm.
Danny
Ok what do they go for? thanks
Got it Danny PMed back
Contact me at the store for more info Roger
I can only give feed back from LOOKING at them at the moment as a raw shaft cut to my length.....
I've been a fan of the Trads for 6 years, and have been shooting them exclusively for that long, cept when I take my selfbows and I shoot woods.
These are really beefy up front, and LOOK similar in shape of the old Trad Heavies that had an external wrap that you could actually see end, but you can't see where the layer ends on these.
I don't break many stump shooting, only one or two a year, and these should be like the original Trad Heavies that were similar. I have a dozen or so of them still here, and I aint never broke of of them stump shooting.
The regular Trads are tuff as nails, so these must be like the original heavies and be tuff as railroad spikes. :thumbsup:
Well I got the Hammer Head shafting on the web site
www.raptorarchery.com (http://www.raptorarchery.com) , both dozen and half dozen, finished arrows will follow.
Ted, can they be shot from a low 40-45# longbow?
Ted,
The couple HAMMERHEADS you sent me to try work great !! I tired them out of Recurve & Longbow and flew like darts from both,I even added heavy 200gr. point to see !! They not only flew great,but quiet the bow as well.I shot them cock feather in & out just experimenting,nice job !!
Not sure what all might fall to a Hammerhead this fall, but I have permits for buck and doe antelope and of course whitetails at home.
Going to work them out on sage hens as well... that should show how tough they are. Lots of rocks and other hard things around and behind sage hens!! :thumbsup:
Thanks Tom, now get ready to shoot one of those whitetail you are sure to get this fall with one.
Charlie , I look forward to seeing you put down that antelope with one in person.
David , finished arrow weight of about 550 with a 125 grain head at 32" , cut it down a bit and reduce by about 13 grains per inch.
Spine wise not sure about your bow, I would probably set you up with the Traditional lite and load up the front.
Im assuming these hammerheads have a larger OD at the tip end since they are beefed up. Will this OD be larger than a standard 11/32 broadhead? thanks
Is the wood grain finish smoother than the standard carbons? I've been using the Trad Lites for several years and while they shoot great, if I am shooting them off of an elevated rest they tend to be noisier than carbon arrows with a more "polished" finish.
So far so good on the testing. I did managa to break one but only because it didn' pass completely through and a pig fell on it. Other than that the shafts look to be an improvment over an already "almost" perfect arrow. AD's are the arrow of choice for this kid in any situation I find myself in. I'll be doing some more piggy testing over the next week. Thanks Ted! CK
Curtis, What set-up are ya shooting them from? Shawn
i want to hear some more!!!!
I've shot them in several bows and had great flight throughout. Still shooting my main bow-Horne Brushbow 49#@28". I cut these a little longer than I generally do. They just tuned that way. CK
Curtis,
Nice to hear that you are getting good flight from a bow as light as 49 pounds. Would it be possible to hear more about how you have your arrows set up for that bow, like fletching, insert weight, point weight, additional weighting, arrow length, etc.? Also, are you using the nock inserts with glue on nocks or just the standard nocks?
Thanks,
Allan
Go Curtis Go , your the man .
Piggy testing , gotta love it!
Ted... we'll be chasing those goat before you know it and I'm looking forward to it. Vance is watching movement closely and seein some patterns.
I'm fletching mine today.....
:eek: 420 grain raw 32" shaft, thats 13.125 grains per inch :eek:
hopefully they are really beefed up at the front.
what is the FOC of an arrow 32 in. arrow with 200 grain up front.
the shafts i am shooting now have 285 up front with a 21.44% FOC. with 13.125 gpi i would have to add 420 grains up from to achieve 21.64% FOC, that is a 840 grain arrow out of a 58 lb. bow, they may be tough as railroad spikes but that is WAY too much arrow.
i am wondering if that 13.125 is an average grain per inch. or if it is 13 gpi for the whole arrow.
what weight Finished arrow do you have to have to achieve 20% FOC?
One thing to take into account is the AD's already have a bit of FOC to a certain extent because its tapered and the new Hammerhead is even more so because they beefed up the front end so it wont take as much point weight to add to the FOC.
Add to that a 75gr brass insert and a 300 gr. Xtrem (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d171/IronBull_/Smileys/yesssmileyf.gif)
If I can't get her through, they'll know I was around :goldtooth:
yes lewis, thats why i asked how the 13.125 gpi was distributed.
i am still looking for the 550 -600 grain arrow with 25% foc. that is still pretty durable.
Yes BM22 most of the weight is in the front 9".
Basically this is a standard AD Traditional with a built up front end.
Yes Vance these do hit with authority bud.
Still some left guys , dont drag your feet as we are getting closer to hunting season and arrow orders pile up . Not to mention we will be closed part of Sept. for , you guessed it , hunting.
Ted,
For those of us who are not going to get around to ordering new arrows until after September, are you going to be getting more AD Heavies in through the fall? Also, do the brass inserts that fit the Trads also fit the Heavies? Do you recommend the brass nock inserts for the AD shafts? I assume you have all the inserts in stock? I will be shooting about a 31" arrow with a 29 1/2" draw length out of bows that run about 50 to 60 pounds. Will the heavies work well in my situation, do you think? What tip weight have you found that would work well for me, if you know? Sorry for all of the questions, but probably some others are in a similar situation and would like to know these things too.
Thanks,
Allan
Allan , feel free to call the store and ask all the questions you want, I talk better than I type.
Yes to most of your questions other than the nock insert , these are aluminum and yes we carry them .
The nock insert will also work for those that like to use the G nock . We do carry the brass insert for the front that adds 100 grains more to make a 600+ grain arrow. The nice thing with the Hammer head is that with a 125 grain point and an aluminum insert you can achieve a mid 500 grain depending on length of shaft . This is something we do plan to carry on through the year, from the reports I have been getting from the testers this is going to be a popular arrow shaft.
Thanks Ted. I appreciate the information. I will be out of town until the end of the month, so I will call around the first part of September if you aren't out hunting then.
Allan
Ted,
Save me a couple of dozen. I will be by your shop in a couple of weeks. Those look like winners!
Ted,
I've been away for past two weeks. I shot those shafts a bunch at Denton. Shot them out of 64# longbow with 300gr up front they flew perfectly. Same out of 75# longbow same results. Looking forward to trying them on game soon. Thanks!
What is the current outside diameter(.000") of the Hammerhead at the business end? Does it utilize a different insert with a wider shoulder than the AD Trads?? I currently use a 100grain steel adapter with the Grizzly for the AD Trad. I foot the AD Trad as well as foot the smaller diameter base of the steel adapter with matching 2413 shafting. This fills the gap and removes any shoulder which gives me a smooth and seemless transition from the Grizzly ferule to the footing to the AD shafting. I'd like to know if the Hammerhead creates a shouldered step and gap behind the Grizzly and adapter of greater diameter than the foot I currently use.
I'd like to see someone produce a one piece brass combination insert/adapter that would provide the proper weight while making for a simple and solid one piece unit to transition from the Grizzly ferule to the AD shafting.
later,
Daddy Bear
got my arrows a few days back they shoot great out of my 54lb bob lee there 586gr with 175 tip 30in. bop