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Title: Trad Camping
Post by: RGK on July 23, 2008, 10:21:00 AM
Here is how I built a Tipi for use on camping trips. I don't have pictures of the process of cutting, peeling and smoothing the poles. My two Son's and I harvested the 25 foot pines in a small stand in the middle of a cedar swamp. The pines were growing so thick that they only had branched near the tip. They all grew very straight and tall as they had to compete for the sun light. I think thinning them out did the remaining trees a favor. At least I hope so. Here are the poles right after peeling as I get ready to transport them from the family farm back to my place.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/car_top3.jpg)

Here they are drying in the sun. Each day, I would give them a quarter turn as they dried. I had not yet smoothed the poles and removed the little branch stubs

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6508.jpg)

During the drying time, I began to sew the part of the Tipi and the liner. This is the Tipi liner which I made from sewing together a bunch of canvas, painters drop cloths. each was cut into a sort of pie section and when laid flat on the grass it looks like the letter "C" Here it is installed.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/liner1.jpg)

The bottom flaps of the liner lay on the ground and are covered with whatever is used as a floor for the Tipi. It could be hides or canvas but this liner keeps the bugs and dust out as well as the wind during regular Tipi living. It also helps create the draft needed to allow for a small fire to be made in the Tipi. The top pf the liner is held in place with a rope that is tied around all the poles and the bottom in held by tying off to stakes in the ground.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/liner2.jpg)

I painted a scene on the liner. It is supposed to look like a painted hide but I did a rather poor job on the outline.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/liner3.jpg)

This Tipi is 14 feet across at the bottom and has 25 foot tall poles. I took 33 yards of Waterproofed and fireproofed cotton canvas to do the job.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/sewing.jpg)

In order to layout the pattern on the canvas, I first needed to join a few large sections of the canvas together. I used a 60's vintage Singer and at times had to go through up to 6 layers of the canvas.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6503.jpg)
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: RGK on July 23, 2008, 10:22:00 AM
Once sewn. I could mark out the pattern on the canvas and cut out the pattern.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6511.jpg)

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6515.jpg)

Then it was back to the sewing machine to fold and hem all the cut edges to keep them from fraying. This included the opening for the door

 (http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6536.jpg)

The area for the lifting pole.

 (http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6538.jpg)

and the pockets for the smoke flap poles.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6541.jpg)

This is what it looks like on the ground.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6540.jpg)

Then it's time to put it up. Three poles are set and marked as the ones that will form the tripod. They are lashed together and set up and the rest of the poles are set in the "V" created by the intersecting poles. All work is done on the ground. No ladder is needed.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6559.jpg)

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6561.jpg)
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: RGK on July 23, 2008, 10:22:00 AM
Then all the poles are held together by circling around and around and tying off the rope to one of the poles so the process can be reversed when taking the Tipi down.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/tipi2.jpg)

The last pole is used to lift the canvas in place and is called the lifting pole. The canvas is tied to the lifting pole and then lifted and leaned against the rest of the poles.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6567.jpg)

Then the canvas is walked around the frame of poles.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6570.jpg)

While the canvas is still loose, the lacing pins are installed.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6572.jpg)

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6574.jpg)

To tighten and stretch the canvas to give the tipi a full and tight look, all the bases of the poles are moved outwards. The canvas is held tight by tying it off to stakes. To keep the canvas from ripping, small stones are lashed into the canvas with ropes and it's those ropes that are used to tie it down. The outer Tipi does not go all the way to the ground. This creates an area for air to come up and in between the outer Tipi and the inner liner. As the air warms, it rises. It acts like the attic of your house and it's this circulation that carries the smoke up and out.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6578.jpg)

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6576.jpg)
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: RGK on July 23, 2008, 10:24:00 AM
The next step is to insert the smoke poles. These poles are shorter than the other poles and allow for adjusting the smoke flaps based on wind direction and allows for closing them all together in case of rain.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6579.jpg)

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6575.jpg)

The bottom of the smoke flaps are tied off to something to direct the wind or left untied in calm.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6609.jpg)

Here they are closed for the night and this picture reminds me that I forgot to mention painting the Tipi

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_7548.jpg)

I painted the Tipi with exterior house paint that was watered down. On the base, I painted bison along one side and wolves along the other and climbing from the base to the top I added wolf paws and a sun.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/buffalo_skirt.jpg)

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6662.jpg)

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/wolf_tracks.jpg)

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/buffalo_sun.jpg)
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: RGK on July 23, 2008, 10:25:00 AM
On the door, I added a bison skull and feathers.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/door.jpg)

It makes a great night light.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/tipilight3.jpg)

Here is your view as you wake up in the morning.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/WBH_stuff/IMG_6676.jpg)

The entire process of erecting the Tipi takes an hour and a half and can be done alone and without a ladder. I have spent many nights in it and it sleeps 6 adults.
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: Tim Fishell on July 23, 2008, 10:29:00 AM
Looks awesome!!  You did a great job on it!!
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: cdworks on July 23, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
wow that is pretty cool i am goin to have to remember this for my kids when i have some! theirs wouldn't need to be half that high lol!
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: Wednesday Caste on July 23, 2008, 11:34:00 AM
Wow! That is a great project and it looks so fun to use.  Great job.
Quinn
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: PA stickbow boy on July 23, 2008, 12:10:00 PM
NICE!!
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: TNstickn on July 23, 2008, 12:18:00 PM
Very cool!
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: sendero25 on July 23, 2008, 12:38:00 PM
Great Job!
Hats off to a true craftsman and artist!
John
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: frassettor on July 23, 2008, 12:44:00 PM
WOW! Great job
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: cdworks on July 23, 2008, 12:51:00 PM
how do you keep the snakes out?
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: Peter Arthur on July 23, 2008, 01:24:00 PM
I've always wanted a tipi! Great job on that and thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: RGK on July 23, 2008, 01:25:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by cdworks:
how do you keep the snakes out?
Easy, I live in WI.   :biglaugh:  With 7 months of Winter, snakes are not a problem.
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: Orion on July 23, 2008, 01:49:00 PM
Nicely don Ron.  Will we see it set up at any of the remaining trad shoots in Wisconsin this summer?
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: RGK on July 23, 2008, 01:55:00 PM
Perhaps at the Broadhead shoot in Sept. Since I got this new sleep apnea machine, I might opt for a hotel room with electricity.
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: Tom Anderson on July 23, 2008, 02:20:00 PM
Where's the air conditioner?  :D
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: elk ninja on July 23, 2008, 02:28:00 PM
Increadable!  Looks fantastic, lots of fun.
Mike
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: joekeith on July 23, 2008, 02:28:00 PM
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: V I Archer on July 23, 2008, 02:33:00 PM
Very, Very impressive!
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: RGK on July 23, 2008, 02:44:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Tom Anderson:
Where's the air conditioner?   :D  
Actually, with the outside being white and the abilty to lift the inner liner for a breeze, The Tipi is normally pretty cool.
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: Chris Surtees on July 23, 2008, 02:57:00 PM
Very nice!!!   :thumbsup:    :clapper:
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: RC on July 23, 2008, 03:45:00 PM
That is very cool.RC
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: Can Hahaka on July 23, 2008, 04:13:00 PM
Ron,

Awesome job. Envy...envy...
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: recurvericky on July 23, 2008, 11:19:00 PM
What did it cost you to build the tipi?
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: Mike Orton on July 24, 2008, 02:18:00 AM
I'm Jealous!  :clapper:
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: CheapShot on July 24, 2008, 06:37:00 AM
Outstanding how-to. Thanks for taking the time to show us. I'm sure that's pretty much how the Native Americans did it, with a few different materials of course.
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: pine nut on July 24, 2008, 07:08:00 AM
Way cool!  Great job and thanks for the build along.
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: Problem Child on July 24, 2008, 07:37:00 AM
You the man  :notworthy:    :notworthy:
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: Greg Szalewski on July 24, 2008, 08:19:00 AM
Wow, another great thread Ron. My nephew was just commenting last night on your outstanding skills.
FYI for anyone using a c-pap machine, you don't have to leave it home when camping or worse yet go to a hotel instead. You can run it off a car battery and power inverter just fine. I saw a guy at Bowjam do that this year. He was using a 250 watt inverter. So I tried a 70 watt(no fan, longer battery life) and it worked fine. He was getting 2 nights power without any trouble so the 70 watt may do 3 or more. Word of caution: do not hook up the inverter backwards, it will blow it out(don't ask me how I know that). This has worked great as my wife now is more willing to go with me.
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: RGK on July 24, 2008, 09:38:00 AM
Thanks, I never thought of that.
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: RGK on July 24, 2008, 09:41:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by recurvericky:
What did it cost you to build the tipi?
Lots and lots of time. I made the ropes myself (I should do a post on my rope making machine) and the poles didn't cost anything. I think I used 4 painters drop cloths for the liner but can't remember what they cost. I got a good deal on the 33 yards of white canvas from a friend. I'm just guessing but I don't think I have $100 in the whole thing.
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: Onehair on July 24, 2008, 11:06:00 AM
Just curious, what kind of poles are you using. I have tried pine that only last a short time and tried some bamboo that lookied great but split from end to end while drying. Thanks
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: RGK on July 24, 2008, 11:16:00 AM
These white pine poles are now 5 years old and look like they did the day I cut them. I sealed the bottom ends (about a foot high) of the poles with Tung oil. I store the pole outside but have them standing upright leaning against a tree in my yard. Lodge pole pine is the normal material for poles
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: Firstarrow on July 24, 2008, 11:53:00 AM
RGK

WOW!

Inspirational. Thanks for showing us one of your obvious talents.

I just have to ask...

Do you have the ability to scan the prints you used to make the Tipi or is it a copy write deal?
OR can you direct us where to find the plans?
I would like to try it out!!!

Thanks for your fine contribution to Tradgang!!!
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: Teacher_of_the_Arcane on July 24, 2008, 12:04:00 PM
Ron,

Great build-a-long!!  You have a great value in your tepee....a quick Internet check shows a 14 footer at about $900....poles another $225...and shipping, which could be another $200 on the poles alone!

There's a gent who comes to our Boy Scout Circuit Rider Camporee each September (open statewide to West Virginia Scouts) who brings his tepee each year.  He's been camping in his for 20+ years.  The canvas has taken on a nice rich brown color from years of small fires built inside the tepee.  I always look forward to seeing him there....he's a wealth of information on North American Indians.
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: RGK on July 24, 2008, 12:15:00 PM
To all those asking for the Tipi plan that appears in one of the pictures in my build along.

That plan came from a book I had borrowed called " The Indian Tipi" by Reginald Laubin. You can still find it online.

http://www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/3197133/

Even if you never build a Tipi, this book is a great read as it covers all asspects of Native living.
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on July 24, 2008, 03:53:00 PM
Very Nice! Good Job!
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: LEOPARD on July 24, 2008, 04:32:00 PM
Very cool build along! Thanks for sharing!  :D
Title: Re: Trad Camping
Post by: Firstarrow on July 24, 2008, 04:47:00 PM
BIG thanks for the heads up on the book.