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I started this, back in 2008... Thought it might be fun to get it going again!!!
In conjunction with Ontario Longbow's "No Camo Deer Season".....
I'm starting this thread seeking volunteers to take "The Camo-less Challenge".
All volunteers will agree to hunt the entire season without any type of comercial camoflage. The only exceptions will be boots (You need good footwear) and a hat (everyone has a "Lucky" huntin' hat,and we wouldn't want anyone to be "jinxed" if they couldn't wear their "Lucky" camo hat.)
For several years now I have been wearing my "GoodWill" wool sweaters and either wool or camo (cotton) pants depending on the weather.This year I have made up some of my home-made "huntin' jeans" so I will be hunting completely "camo-less"(I even have a stupid looking red & black plaid "lucky" huntin' hat LOL)
So let's hear it!!!!! Who's up to the "challenge" and what will you be wearing?????
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I'm glad you can find stuff to fit that easily.....
Having nothing to do with it actually being camo, much of my clothing is purchased as it fits my 6'7" frame, and functions in my activities involved in hunting.
I have some non-camo, but likely not enough to qualify for your standards..... :notworthy:
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I'm IN!!!!! :thumbsup: (I almost forgot to add myself LOL)
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It's a walk in the park Bob!!!!! There's "Big Guys" all over LOL!!!!! You wear jeans don't ya????? Look for a couple pairs of old black denim jeans then wash them in bleach. Wool pants might be a problem if you look for "hunting pants" but if you go to the GoodWill store,lots of times you can find 100% wool dress pants.(They're usually light weight though) I like knitted wool sweaters because they STRETCH!!!!! (I'm a short fat guy 2XL-3XL)
Come on Bob!!!!! Join the fun!!!!!
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Chuck -- I've been doing this most of my hunting career, to one degree and another. As soon as the marketplace succeeded in convincing the bowhunting world that camo is absolutely essential, I rebelled. I have proven to myself over and over that if you don't move and are in the shade, not even turkeys will spot you, much less elk. It's been so long since I've lived where I can hunt whitetails, I can say ... other than back when I started hunting them successfully with a bow, commercial camo didn't exist. But like Big Bob says, it's hard to get away from camo entirely because it's hard to find all the features we need in hunting clothes other than in camo, and camo generally is cheaper. I still wear long-sleeved camo t-shirts because they are dirt cheap compared to standard models. I wear plaid hunting shirts and never camo. I wear non-camo hats but a camo face mask. Darn hard to find good warm-weather hunting pants with all the pockets we need, though wool is great when it's colder, etc. In any event your experiment sounds fun and will perhaps further encourage hunting clothing mfgrs. to offer functional hunting clothes in other than camo. Good luck, dave
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What about burnt cork on your face, does that count?
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Originally posted by frassettor:
What about burnt cork on your face, does that count?
only if you use one color! :D
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It gets pretty darn hot here in Texas during October. And since I've started using pop-up blinds it gets even hotter inside one of those things. So I've decided to hunt naked except for a black T-shirt and face mask. Does that count????
Brett
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Hey Chuck, do surplus BDUs count as comercial Camo? Either way I'm in too. :D
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Been there and done that and still doing that. No challenge to me. Haven't used camo since I don't remember when.
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I like my camo.
It is an old friend, a badge of honor. I am not one of the spandex-and-trekking-sandals dayhikers, nor a GPS-addicted "cacher", not a stroll-in-the-parker. When I open my plastic tubs o' huntin' clothes, some camo and some not, I smell the campfires from last year, a bit of spruce and rotten leaves. I have used some of these garments for over twenty years. They are tradition, and I will not leave them behind for this new-fangled no-camo fad. ;)
Killdeer~Have at it! :wavey: :campfire:
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Good Luck! Guys & Gals. I'm with Kildeer. I will use whatever is in my resources, for warmth, comfort, stealth, whatever to help me fill my tag. I still have my WWII Camo patterm jacket for at a time when Traditional Archery was still just called Archery.
I love my wools and plaids too as well as camo .. but I will use both.
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spent too much on my wolfskin, and that dang outfit could qualify as PJ's as comfy as it is... I am going to be non camoed a good portion of the time, those times when my wolfskin is dirty, or I'm just in the mood. That being said, my deer will be killed without camo, and possibly with a saxton pope type suit...
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The only camo I wear is King of the Mountian blowdown. If KOM made plaid I'd wear that instead. I love the idea of the challange but when hunting I love my KOM clothes more. I'm with ya in spirt, I'll still wear my green fedora, but I'll be in my KOM in the deer woods. While in Africa I'll abide by the no camo though. :goldtooth:
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Camo has nothing on my collection of plaid, I believe. The only challenging aspect really is that(as others have noted) various great items only come in in camo.
The only time I think you are making a sacrifice not wearing camo is if you are in an area requiring flouresent orange. Pure orange is a crazy.
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I'm already proved to the most important person (me) that commercial camo is not a necessity. It sure doesn't hurt though.
I certainly do not look like I just walked out of a hunting catalogue nor do I look like a modern hunter on T.V.
As I said in the other post, I wear whatever I feel like wearing at the time and as I and others have already mentioned, most hunting clothing on the market today is camo. I am not an average size guy either.
There is nothing wrong with wearing some camo, in fact, there is a school of thought that says we should wear some camo when we are not hunting and act like the gentlemen we are in order to show non-hunters that we are respectable citizens too.
I don't go overboard, but it's hard not to like good functional clothing in patterns like ASAT, Predator, Outfitter, and Blow Down, etc... also some of the best rain gear is only found in Realtree or Mossy Oak patterns.
I do not have the finances to replace certain items just to prove a point that I already know. I agree though that it can be fun to have hi-tech hunters think your nuts when they see your hunting pictures.
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In 2006 I was hunting in South Dakota and 3 whitetails, a 150" 10 point, a huge non typical, and a 100" eight point all walk right under my stand while I was wearing tan cargo pants and a brown flannel shirt. I was maybe 12' high. That convinced me I could wear "normal" clothes when hunting in trees.
They came straight at me, walked straight under me and walked away the same never offering a side shot. Only the 8 point offered a shot and I ah....missed lol.
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does a face mask count?, it is a must for the thousands of mosquitoes
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I'm kinda' with Killdeer on this. while I do not want to look like GI Joe, all decked out in a new, coordinated camo suit, I don't want to look like Elmer Fudd either, all dressed up in expensive new Filson garbs from top to bottom. I'll stick to my mismatched, but ultra-efficient clothes piled up in the basement. Some solid colors, some camo and some old plaid. But my go-to are my greyish 60's Swedish Army felt wool pants, as warm and windproof as my high tech climbing gear. ( Actually, back in the days when people were tougher, they used those pants to climb Everest) and a "Duke of the Hill" shirt. Oh, and, but of course, my Terry Green like boonie hat :)
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No.
Steve
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Well said Killie. I'm with you.
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I am in as well Chuck.Can't wait to hunt in
Chenango County N.Y. In October Scott
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Originally posted by SteveB:
No.
Steve
Answer sounds a little wishy-washy there.... Let us know when you decide. :biglaugh:
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Alright Chuck!!!,,I'm in,,,If I get to the Catskills this year I'll have to look you up,,,Frank
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I think that mismatched camo should count for this club y'all are starting at least at the associate member level. Let's say that you have a minimum of three different types of camo in your outfit, that has to count for something.
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I'm a mixer and matcher. When the weather permits, I'll be in my heavy grey longhunter shirt and a filson plaid vest but the only pants I have that have the appropriate number of pockets and level of comfort are camo. Also, I'll be wearing a bandana and/or face mask that is camo.
I'm with you in spirit but not in fact. :-D
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Shoot me a PM if you get to come down Frank, I'll hook up with ya!!!!! :thumbsup:
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yeah bro, definitly in!!! wool and plaid!
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Ian, Face masks are OK (for "skeeter" purposes) and burnt cork is "legal" LOL (after all,it's "all natural")
I've never been a big believer in face camo (just don't look 'em in the eye) but I know many folks are.
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Yeah Kenny!!!!! You and me Brother!!!!! :thumbsup:
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I really don't like the way camo looks, any of the patterns, and it certainly is not needed. I have my share of the stuff. I use all kinds of crazy combinations, whatever is clean and ready to go. I buy what I like, the heck with the deer, they won't see me anyway if I am in the shadows and don't move :D
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I'm with Killdeer,
One of my favorite hunting tops is a 34 year old "TREE BARK" Hooded sweat shirt. It has wear marks along the zipper from climbing trees and sliding down in a hurry when I got "lucky". There a lot memories with that top even though my buddies make fun of it at our club's 3D shoots!
I've got solid dark green wool pants, Swiss army pants my buddy Randy gave me (cause they were too tight for him!)and some new stuff including a Gray Longhunter Shirt (thank's to Ron LaClair)
If you want to wear plaid that's cool. I do too! What I take on a given day depends on the temperature, if it going to rain/snow and mostly what is clean and doesn't smell too bad!
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Hey Coop....what if they'd have looked up????
I'm with Killie....love my camo. I always try to "match the hatch" so to speak. It's part of my experience. 'sides, those wool shirts won't work down here!
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I don't think any less of a wild tiger wearing his stripes. God gave creatures natural camo... and I'll wear mine too. (although not natural ha!)
Do respect you wool and plaid guys though!
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Count me in as well.
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One of the funniest things I've seen in the woods was Dan Quillian going into the woods on our club in south GA, wearing a fake fur jacket he'd come up with somewhere, that was made up of multicolored strips. He was planning to stand on a stump that evening, and it blended well. He didn't own any camo. He was tall and kind of gangly with age, and the sight of him in that coat with longbow in hand is still stuck in my mind. A true mutant.
I think camo works better if you mix up patterns. I use it or not, depending on my mood and whether I have anything dull enough handy that's not camo. I shotgunned a turkey once in bluejeans, but I cheated some by sitting on the ground and raking some leaves over my legs. I do have to cover my gray/white beard, though- I've had deer stare at it when ground hunting. And you can get headnets that aren't camo- I have one.
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OK.....Let's see..... I've got ME, and a handfull LOL..... :bigsmyl:
woodchucker
bbassi
scott brightman
Ontario Longbow
adkmountainken
bentpole
Fletcher
Bowspirit
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Anyone else????? :archer:
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I'll play along so long as the non camo I have will keep me warm enuf. Early season is always plaid shirts and plain wool pants, anyway. When it gets cold enuf, I'm rather fond of my Sleeping Indian, not so much for the color, but for its fit and function as good hunting clothing.
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Ah, what the heck, count me in. You've never steered me in the wrong direction before...
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Welcome Aboard My Son!!!!! I'll have ya killin' deer on the ground before ya know it!!!!!
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I'll just be happy with the whole killin' deer part...hoping this season will bring my first one. No camo should make it all the more special...
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Have not wore camo for the last 15 years or so.
Best Wishes
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Hi All,
My all-time-heart-thumping deer experience (12 points at twelve feet) was a non camo event; blue jeans and a navy blue cordaroy coat!
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i will sign up if i can afford enough warm wool by the time the cold hits. ive been on my way to it for about two years now just havnt been able to afford all the wool i want to stay warm so as soon a s i can get it is when im ready
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I plan on killin my elk wearin' buckskins this year. I may not be able to wear them every day though.......
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Count me IN!
(http://www.brothersofthebow.com/plaids.jpg)
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Originally posted by Biggie Hoffman:
Hey Coop....what if they'd have looked up????
They did look up a couple of times, but I think maybe they weren't really looking at me. Because I should have been pretty easy to spot standing there, but maybe since I was shaking like a leaf I blended right in :) .
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Nice quiver ,Jeff!
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Nope, camo is fun. I don't worry about brands or matching, but I've loved camo since I was a kid and it always makes me happy to put some on whether I'm hunting or not. It's too hot in south GA for wool plaid and alpine hats with feathers most of the time, anyway. Tge :p
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I'm in. I'm also hunting on the ground this year. Just something I have wanted to do for a while.
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I am in as well. While in exile here in the great white north (Michigan) for work I have been thrift storing like crazy. I found a couple pair of light weight wool slacks, plain flannel plaid shirts and Dockers dyed with RIT berries to be a nice forest green. Whole outfit costs around $8.00. I will also be hunting from the ground.
Rick
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Sorry, I'm a big fan of (http://www.biggameproshop.com/scent-blocker-logo1.jpg) I use it from head to toe and I won't go hunting without it.
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Well im gonna wear a loin clothe and 2 turkey feathers!! Lol and at 6'4" 350lbs thats one site to see.I told my hunting buddy but he wasnt as excited as i was about the idea.I mean hey why go half traditional when you can get the full monty!!
Later Matt
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First deer I ever killed I was wearing jeans and a red checkered flanel shirt and a baseball cap. Deer didn't seem to mind. I'm all for it.
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Count me in . I got all colors of plaid in every color and lots of other non camo wool
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I'm Game, I'll be wearing bluejeans, a black hoody under my sun-bleached carharts, and my lucky boonie hat.
I'll have my 70# Tomahawk, knife, sharpener, file for my broadheads, huntin' pack, and bino's.
Steve
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Why sentlock clothes we have got game for many year without it we dont need it now.
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long sleve dark shirts and comfortable jeans and boots.hat.and quiet coat when it gets cooler,maybe a thick sweater, all non camo and out of the goodwill stores ! :coffee:
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Originally posted by mrgreenhead:
Why sentlock clothes we have got game for many year without it we dont need it now.
I've killed game without Scent Blocker. The amout of game I see using it though gives me a much better variety and choice.
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Originally posted by Elksong:
I plan on killin my elk wearin' buckskins this year. I may not be able to wear them every day though.......
Now, If I had buckskins I'd love to wear them sometimes. :thumbsup:
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I'm in, I will not get but bout 30 possible days to hunt, but I plan to hunt both from the ground and a stand.
JW
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Don't seem much of a challange to me.Everyone knows camo is sold for hunters, not the game they hunt.I have killed many deer with shorts on and white teeshirts at times in early season from stands.Could hunt and kill about anything in work clothes.I still wear camo when hunting most times because the best stuff always comes in camo.I don't do it for the deer however.I do it for me and I like feeling sneaky. :)
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i %100 agree, camo is geared towards the hunter not the hunted.
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In regards to "Good Will Hunting," what if you find some nice camo at the Goodwill?
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Do you think deer see blue better than other colors? I always thought most animals saw shades of gray but on those bottles of "camo wash" it shows a picture of a guy in clothes washed with and without the special detergent and in the clothes with the blueing he shows up better (as deer would see him). So would the blue plaid be a bad idea?
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I never believed any of the "U-V Killer" "Scent-Lock" hype.They're both a bunch of BS if you ask me.
When I was a kid growing up on a western New York dairy farm,we all hunted in blue denim "Barn Coveralls" I killed more deer wearing blue jeans than I have wearing anything else.Many of them were only feet away and "eyeball to eyeball".(I have never killed a deer from a tree stand either BTW) Now I know all the "scientific research" about rods and cones,etc. But nobody has ever truely looked through a deer's eyes.I DO believe that deer can see color though,but I think the "U-V" concept is a bunch of crap. The "U-V Killer" concept is sold to hunters using photograghy in magazine ads.
As for "Scent-Lock"..... I went hunting with a guy as a guy as a guest in his camp.His father won a turkey hunt with Lee and Tiffany Lacosky,and they were both given brand new "Scent-Lock" camo suits. On our way driving to the farm we were going to hunt,Jimmy blew a real "ripe one" that cleared the truck out!!!!! I mean we had to stop and air the truck out!!!!! After we got back in,Jimmy said "I guess this Scent-Lock suit ain't worth $hi+". If it was.....Jimmy would have had "messy pants" and we'd have never known a thing.
Just one "Old Fart's" opinion though..... ;)
b.glass, I killed a 5 point buck at 8 yards wearing a blue and white plaid Woolrich shirt and a pair of blue jeans.....
He never new what hit him LOL!!!!!
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I have no idea whether deer can see me if I wash my clothes in the laundry soap with UV brightners or not. I DO know that they are there in regular laundry soap though. In all of the water quality work I have done, the diffinitive test for grey water contamination (grey water is basicly what would run into the septic tank or sewer line) is the presence of UV brightners, as evidenced by checking an unbleached cotton swab soaked in the sample with a black light. If it "glows" VIOLA!
The no-smell-um soaps have no fragrence added, which is what I am looking for to wash my hunting clothes in. Typically they are also made from a less harsh detergent which makes my hunting clothes, which get washed a lot, last longer. No UV brightners I guess is an added bonus. Does it make any difference to the deer? Smells, yes. UV brightners, dunno, don't really matter to me. As long as I don't smell like "lillacs" or "a fresh morning rainstorm accross a field of wildflowers" I figure I'm good. Now, deer start shining black lights around, we may need to be worried.
OkKeith
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I plan on hanging my clothes in my chicken coop to see what happens.
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You'll probly get a shot at a fox..... ;)
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I've been wearing brown/black plaid and brown pants for awhile now. If it's cold, I'll get out the old insulated fleece bibs in the old realtree AP gray.
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"Although vision is predominantly based on rods in these animals (more than 90 percent of the total photoreceptors in their eyes are rods giving them excellent night vision), they have enough cones to provide color vision. Obviously color vision based on only two different cone types is not going to be as good as human color vision that is based on three types. The deficiency in dichromatic color vision is in the ability to discriminate among the colors of objects that reflect light in the middle to long wavelengths, i.e. green, yellow, brown, orange, and red. The ungulates and carnivores with color vision based on only short wavelength sensitive cones and long wavelength sensitive cones, would find these colors difficult or impossible to distinguish. However, for these animals, blue, violet and near ultraviolet (which is invisible to us because it is blocked by the lens) stand out from the other colors. The colors of earthly objects are mostly browns, tans, greens and yellows. To an animal with dichromatic color vision, a sportsman wearing garments that strongly reflect short wavelength light would stand out against these backgrounds like a ripe red tomato on a green vine." -Sincerely Yours, Jay Neitz, pH. D . Vision Scientist
Here is a link to the article "How Whitetail Deer view their world!" :
http://home.adelphia.net/~geffert/deervis.htm
Bottom line, probably the best camouflage to use against deer would be a natural wool material with the old school red and black plaid pattern. Modern synthetics regardless the color pattern can stand out like a blue neon sign due to UV no matter how much UV-killer you add to the wash. This is easily demonstrated by use of a UV light in total darkness. Often times we get too caught up in marketing hype for the latest and greatest synthetics and camo patterns without looking at the facts. The reality is that most of this gear is marketed to remove dollars from the hunter and not for the hunter to better harvest game.
later,
Daddy Bear
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I'd add, I'm a bit surprised when I see those who would use a simple stick and string loosing wood arrows for hunting game yet get caught up in the marketing hype for a carbon suit. It does not and can not work in a hunting environment. Outside of deploying a military grade unit in a lab environment for very limited exposure, it is impossible for a commercial carbon unit which is deployed in the field to have any effect whatsoever in defeating scent detection of a canine, much less a deer or bear. Any limited value that the suit may have is immediatley lost and there is no possible way to renew what limited effectiveness it may have possessed. It is confirmed and tested fact that such claims are false. It is complete marketing hype and to make matters worse, a carbon suit has no value to a hunter as it is a very poor choice for a garment layer when exposed to the elements.
I find it disturbing that a hunter of fame would be willing to pitch such a product on unsuspecting hunters for the mere sake of profit. I'd suspect that these same professional pitch men would also push cotton undergarments for Alaska hunting if they were paid to do so. Sad:(
Daddy Bear
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WEll, I am in!! I will hunt this year with not only non camo, but will only wash my clothes in armor and hammer. No scent lock bags, no scent lock, no scent control other than clean non camo clothes and playing the wind. Hell, if any other guys into this, could break it down to color codes, I have no problem wearing pink.
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Originally posted by toddster:
WEll, I am in!! I will hunt this year with not only non camo, but will only wash my clothes in armor and hammer. No scent lock bags, no scent lock, no scent control other than clean non camo clothes and playing the wind. Hell, if any other guys into this, could break it down to color codes, I have no problem wearing pink.
I saw somw Pink Camo the outher day :saywhat:
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Huntin' Season's gettin' close!!!!! :bigsmyl:
Anyone else want to step forward and "volunteer"?????
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I would Chuck, but my wife just got me some GREAT stuff for my birthday. I have to wear it. :goldtooth:
By the way....I have a line on some of those pesky black squirrels A LOT closer than the Adks.
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Won't hunt till November...so does blaze orange parka and bibs count? :D
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Knock'em Dead Jamie!!!!!!!!!! :archer:
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You guys can count me in too.
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This is my newest acquisition.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/420W/woolshirt.jpg)
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Now that is NICE Jim!!!!! :thumbsup:
I've got one just like it that's solid "pine tree" green.
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I normally hunt without camo, except when I'm standing in the water next to a pin oak in the bottoms waiting on ducks.
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Stone Knife, what brand is that jacket? Did you get it mail order?
The biggest problem I have with non-camo hunting clothes is finding a good fit. I am a pretty tall guy with a little more than my fair share of girth. I can find quite a bit of good quality camo gear in 3XL-Tall, but not much in the way of wool plaids and such. I have found a few, but not much.
I don't really care what color it is (within reason of course). I want it to fit well, function properly, last a long time and not break the bank (don't want much, do I?).
I have made quite a bit of my hunting clothes (fleece pull-overs, wool hunting shirts, etc.). Maybe the next evolution of this deal is to only hunt in "made yourself clothes".
OkKeith
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It's a Woolrich, I bought it off their website, I have a couple of them in solid colors but when I saw this one I new I had to have it.
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Mine is made by Johnson's Woolen Mills in Vermont.
It's the same coat the Benoit's "used" to wear.....
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Isn't plaid a form of camo? Same concept?
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I am gonna go both ways!! :scared: I am gonna wear non-camo half the days I hunt and my full fledge stuff the other half. It may not be scientific but this way I will see which brings better results. I have some nice Woolrich stuff and some Filson as well, plus some other no name stuff. I am gonna use burnt cork to blacken my face and hands as well. Opening day will see me in green plaid and a boonie hat with my burnt cork camo. Shawn
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Curt Chuck means commercially produced stuff specifically called camo. I believe. I agree though as burnt cork is a form of camo, just as the Native Americans used ashes or soot. By the way I will all ya soon! Shawn
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Shawn.....I truely believe that you could kill deer in a pair of pink feetsy pajamas!!!!!
Welcome Aboard Brother!!!!!
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I wear what is clean and on top. Really hard to beat camo hunting pants though, cuz of the 6 pocket design. Do like my green Woolrich shirts when it gets cooler....of course that is around Christmas in Georgia. Have to count me out on this one.
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TTT!!!!! Who's still hangin' in there????? :thumbsup:
and.....Who's been successful!!!!!????? :archer: :clapper:
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me! haven't been busted yet neither. :D
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I haven't been busted either Brent!!!!!
(I was "buzzed" by a Coopers Hawk yesterday!!!!! Darn near took my hat off Lol) :scared:
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Never did wear it much.I wear an old 1960's Filson olive drab coat and blue jeans 99% of the time.Works great for me.I just try my best to not move when critters are near.But I would like to add one note to your thread about camo.Several years ago while on a hunting trip with another friend whom does not wear camo.We stopped to get some grub.While standing at the cash register waiting to pay for our meal(not wearing camo).There happen to be about 4-5 fellows wearing camo ahead of us in line.Kind of like one of those hunting show type guy's.All wearing the same camo same boots same hats same pattern on everything on all of them.I'am certin they were headed to the bush to hunt.They were somewhat intoxacated though or as I would like to say a couple of them were walking on thier lips.They were hosed...The lady behind the cash reg says to her friend and or co-worker.Wow drunks everywhere should have to wear camo......It just struck me a little odd at the time.Two things for sure that night.Glad I was not hosed and glad I was not wearing camo...bowdoc
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Man, That dude was in such a hurry to go hunting He forgot to put gloves on his hands...Bet he had a cold Finger... :eek:
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C'mon Guys!!!!! Anyone else????? :confused:
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I saw a buck and doe this past weekend at 20-25 yards (2 separate encounters) with jeans a flannel jacket and blaze orange vest and hat on(rifle season is on)..
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Rooselk/Outdoors/Archery/GW-JackShirt.jpg)
I have cotton ASAT camo which I wear in September during the early season. That said, most of my hunting takes place during the November/December late season, and I own no warm camo appropriate for that time of year. Instead I wear green wool pants, and depending on weather, a combination of a wool jacshirt, camp shirt, or vest in the pattern above.
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ttt, :archer:
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Cool thread. Never got busted this year. Had to chase a few away as it got too dark and they were within 5 yards ! I did put a little gray face camo on.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/1966kodiak/Bowbuck11-03-09.jpg)
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Count me in coach. Have already been camoless for decades. Texas has hunter orange in public woods. My orange is solid color.
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woodchucker's camo or not to camo fixation is working overtime today. :-D
So is this close enough to be considered 'camoless'? The hand warmer, neck gaitor and hat all have bits of camo cloth but I consider those to be ancillary gear.
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff187/GingivitisKahn/20091228_ac_d01.jpg)
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No problem here. Some good hunting clothes are made in camo only and that's only reason I've ever worn it. I usually hunt in common work clothes.
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The way I see it the "I just wear plaid" thing is still a measure to break up your outline and so constitutes a sort of camo mentality as Guru already posted. Nothing against plaid--I wear it some but also wear my camo. My view is that unless you are totally indifferent to what you wear in the woods you are making an effort to conceal yourself which is all camo is. Some just want to do it a different way.
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I wear sweat pants and any colored t-shirt when deer hunting. The thing is I wear them under my gillie suit!
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I've been wearing normal clothing for the last few months, and have enjoyed a couple of wins:
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/a-1.jpg)
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/CroppedBoar.jpg)
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plaid and earth tones ya cant beat it ive gotten closer to game with that than wearing anything else they dont expect to see people in plaid hunting anymore so game dosent see you as a thret...that is if they even see you at all.
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Originally posted by moose eye levi:
they dont expect to see people in plaid hunting anymore so game dosent see you as a thret...
Com'on do you really believe they can tell the difference between camo and plaid???
With all due respect, for you guys that think you're not wearing "camo" by wearing plaid, or earth tone colors...think about this....
The whole concept of camo is to blend in, that's exactly what you guys are trying to do blend in...
If you really don't want to wear "camo", wear solid colored yellow, orange, etc.....
This "non camo" thing really has me baffled :knothead:
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Originally posted by Guru:
Com'on do you really believe they can tell the difference between camo and plaid???
With all due respect, for you guys that think you're not wearing "camo" by wearing plaid, or earth tone colors...think about this....
The whole concept of camo is to blend in, that's exactly what you guys are trying to do blend in...
If you really don't want to wear "camo", wear solid colored yellow, orange, etc.....
This "non camo" thing really has me baffled :knothead:
I think that Guru got it right on this one. Plaid is one of the best "CAMO" patterns you can get. I just read that in another post.
Camouflage is a method of crypsis – avoidance of observation – that allows an otherwise visible organism or object to remain indiscernible from the surrounding environment through deception.
You are doing that if you are wearing anything that could possibly break up your outline or standing behind anything that will do that. You have found a way to do it with out spending a lot of cash though.
I have seen people wearing plaid red or brown shirts while hunting and let me tell you there are hard to see. They are wearing Camo.
Ben those are some huge hogs Congrats my friend.
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Originally posted by doowop:
I wear sweat pants and any colored t-shirt when deer hunting. The thing is I wear them under my gillie suit!
:biglaugh: that is funny
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My father is not a big "camo" guy and wears just plaid wool shirts from woolrich, and jeans most all of last season. He seems to have no problem getting close to game, and as Randy said, he blends in very nicely. I on the other hand really like wearing camo when hunting, and because of my impatience, tend to get busted more often... :banghead:
My point is that usually it is movement or wind that gets you busted as many have already noted, and weather you wear camo or plaid you are still trying to disguise the little movements that you just cannot hide completely and /or break up your outline.
It is merely a matter of personal preference and sometimes a cost issue. Both work just fine, in fact some camo patterns out there tend to make a person look like a blob, more so than some larger plaid patterns.
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When I started hunting there was no camo,Period .All was wool. I got caught up a bit with in the 80's Now with all the New hunters and Hype honestly it discuists me. all is wool,blends,checked and solids.I really don't even want to be associated with it.Elitest,No.just sick of a lot of attitudes,just my thing.
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Sure I'm in.
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Good point, Curt. Perhaps using the word "camo" in terms of trying to go without it is missing the intention or ambition, at least for me. I absolutely do want to blend-in to my surroundings, but I want to do so wearing (for want of a better word) "normal" clothing, clothing that not only works in the bush, but that I'm also happy to duck into the shop in - clothing that is more in the "style" of the early pioneers like Pope, Young, Hill, and even Negley in Africa, where camo patterns weren't, and in some cases still aren't, allowed. It's not something I strongly believe everyone should do, but I suppose it is a small way of going against the grain of modern consumerism and marketing as it pertains to bowhunting - I say "small" because even if I don't wear a camo brand, I am still a modern consumer, and still very much a part of the bowhunting market in other areas. I see it as a little step back in time, and that appeals to my sense of history and nostalgia, and the romance of hunting with the bow and arrow in yesteryear - yes, I know, a bit soppy, eh! Now, I'll probably never get into selfbows and stoneheads, and will always have fibreglass on my bows and plastic nocks, but I view wearing normal clothing as one very small but personally satisfying way of stepping back in time. I must admit that I did enjoy reading Jay Massey's thoughts on the subject in "A Thousand Campfires". And over here in Australia, I have been inspired by the success and viewpoints of Jeff Challacombe and Ben Maher in this area.
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Well Ben, for a hunter like you bud, whatever you wear it's working!! I wouldn't change a thing :thumbsup:
I know what it's like to do the plaid thing, I killed a bunch of stuff wearing plaids back in the '90's.....but still, I was always looking for and wearing "camo" looking/colored plaids....
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Most of my gear is camo and necessary for the Oregon weather. However, in the spirit of your thread, I will turkey hunt from my ground blind with no camo :biglaugh:
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Originally posted by Guru:
...This "non camo" thing really has me baffled :knothead:
I can't speak for anyone else, but I chose to hunt without "clothing marketed as camo" because anything that was 1) quiet and 2)not made of cotton was very expensive and I felt it self-indulgant to be spending that kind of money on something that I do not consider essential to the sport.
But I have some nice wools- one thrift store Pendleton shirt in particular has a color and pattern that is a PERFECT match for early archery season where I hunt. Its so stealth I can't see my arms in spite of myself.
Joshua
BTW, I just bought some very nice camo tech pants made for turkey hunters on deep discount. I just felt weird hunting last year in black fleece stretch pants... (hey, its all I had on hand)
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Count me in
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Perhaps I'm semantically challenged, but the most versatile "camo" I own is a plaid wool jacket that is as useful in taking my wife out to dinner as it is in still hunting a patch of woods. Whenever and wherever I wear it Fred Bear's "Gentleman Woodsman" is alive and well.
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Who is in for the coming 2011 season! Who is going for the vintage look in blending in with the surroundings? Who is just going to wear "street" clothes?
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I am wearing a variety in Alaska next month. But there will be one day...or two, that I will wear my very faded Carhartt tan (almost cream now) pants and my tannish Woolrich plaid wool button down. Camo hat though, either my ASAT boonie hat or my lucky Sonoma Mountain Pack Station store from Spanish Fork, Utah hat.
Brad
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Guru, I am pretty certain that the "camo" thing has to do with playing with peoples perception of camo and not "the big picture". Camo, in many folks eyes are representative of something bad. Plaid is good camo, accepted by folks that are not in the know, as "normal".
ChuckC
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I'll be wearing Carharts, plaid shirts, Filson suspenders, Filson packer hat, and my comfy Merrill footwear.
'07 was the last year I wore "camo", I just got so sick of seeing the stuff. I have found it is not needed at all. I have also saved quite a few dollars since I quit buying the stuff. :D
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Originally posted by Gary Logsdon:
Perhaps I'm semantically challenged, but the most versatile "camo" I own is a plaid wool jacket that is as useful in taking my wife out to dinner as it is in still hunting a patch of woods. Whenever and wherever I wear it Fred Bear's "Gentleman Woodsman" is alive and well.
Gary, the plaid shirt in your avatar is a perfect example of how it breaks up your outline! :thumbsup:
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count me
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Interesting post. I do think it would be extremely difficult to fool a Wild Turkey wearing plaid.
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Nu-uh! I love my camo! As an elk hunter I cover a lot of ground and because I am moving so often it is always possible to get pinned in the open by a big bull. In that situation I want something that blends right into the ground. The camo I wear is cheap but it does just what I need it to do, when I need it.
(I am sure plaid would work just as well...I just don't want to shell out more money)
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I'm in, as usual....haven't had camo for about, oh, 25 years or so....lol
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I've read this over and I think that this isn't really a rebellion against camo, but big business. Its obvious that Plaid is a camo in itself.
I think in the spirit of "camo-less" you guys should not being wearing your plaid either. Solid non-earth tone colors if you really want to prove that "camo" is not needed.
Come on fellas, man up!!! blue Jeans and white t-shirts.
Me, I'm going to support Predator and Ultimatecamo this year and love every second of it.
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I was just joking about that never noticed that about my post from 2010. Dry humor needs watered again?
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:deadhorse: :deadhorse: After all these posts, pro and con.......does it really matter ,as long as your out there having fun and doing it to the best of your ability?
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TTT, For 2014!!!!! :bigsmyl:
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Originally posted by ron w:
:deadhorse: :deadhorse: After all these posts, pro and con.......does it really matter ,as long as your out there having fun and doing it to the best of your ability?
What can I say..........
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Hi Ron!!!!! Shouldn't you be out huntin???
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I should be but I have to go see Mom this afternoon, and I was just plain lazy this morning. I have been out a few times already!
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Extra points for a light blue wedding tuxedo with the ruffled white shirt.
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I'm with you, Paul!!!!!
Extra points, for the craziest color combos!!!!!
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I'm in...haven't worn camo yet this year.
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My camo shrunk :rolleyes: Just been going in my work stuff. I'm in.
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We've had some fun with this, over the years... Figured I'd bring it up again!? :archer:
As you can see, I'm bored! LMAO (it took awhile to find)
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No Camo Yesterday
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Heck yeah! I like that jacket.
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CONGRATULATIONS, Tony!!!! :clapper: :archer: :clapper:
He sure is a handsome bugger!!! :thumbsup:
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Thanks guys! I really wasn't ready for the season to be over yet but gun season opens Wednesday and I had to come back to work today.
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Tony,
That picture is really good. I like the way the Asbell pullover looks against the background and I had a Evening stand green but always wanted an evening stand brown cause I hunt the ground mostly and try to use natural blow downs or dead fall when I can .
I like my pullovers a bit big or next size so I order a 3 xl but every time I look on Asbell website they don’t have any pathfinders with the Evening stand brown in that size .
If they did I’ll be ordering one cause last year I ordered one with some blue in it and fits well but I like your color you have on.
I trade my 2 xl to a friend for a Kodiak Special and even the the green is great and I had been Blessed on several kills on the ground I just would like to have one with the brown .
Good looking picture all around with the Buck ,pullover,bow and background.
Congratulations :clapper: