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I'm a newbie to bowhunting.  I am looking for a broadhead for turkey hunting and I wanted to find the widest cut possible to hopefully avoid the bird getting very far.  I am looking at Simmons Tree Sharks with the bleeder blades in (190 gr.).  These are a 2" cut - awesome!  But, is that too wide?  A well placed 2" broadhead should be devastating, but can I expect such a wide blade to fly well?  How about penetration on a turkey?

Same Q. for deer?  I'm shooting a longbow, drawing about 52# at 29", with about a 500gr. total weight/31" carbon arrow.  Can I expect a 2" wide broadhead get full penetration on a deer, out to say 20 yards, or is that just too wide to expect pass through with a moderate draw-weight setup?  If a wide broadhead is indeed good for turkeys, should I go to a more modest width head for deer?

The simmons will work good on turkeys. for deer I believe I would go with an Interceptor or my choice a Magnus I.RC

The Treeshark works great on deer, shot a 125# field dressed doe last year 18 yds. quartering slightly to me with 47# Super Diablo w/568 gr. carbon including 295 gr. Treeshark w/adapter, went through her like butter...when it exited it took a ball of fat out the hole with it as big as a softball almost, looked like you sprayed blood with a firehose where I first hit her, she made it about 60 yds total...if your arrows are tuned right penetration wont be a issue.

If your arrow is tuned too your bow correctly 2 inches is not too wide,Treesharks are a good head.

For Turkey you need this one.  That's what they were designed for  :bigsmyl:  They are a bit hard to find though  ;)  ...Van

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Van,

What kind is that head

I'm not sure but I think it's one of those big honkin' Silver Flames!

it's a Pearson Deadhead  :)

I have an unopened pack  :D

I would still need one of the OLD Deadheads with rounded vents! Van, you did this teasing the other year too - I certainly remember! That's a little unfair, isn't it?!

I do not understand bleeder blades.    It seems a good chance it would catch on a deer rib and not offer sufficient stuff to bust through.

It seems our best chance of a pass thru and double lung would be missing a rib or two with a narrow broadhead rather than hang up a little bleeder on the way between the ribs.

Now turkeys I can see getting the widest thing that will fly and that would include a bleeder blade to be included.
 ;)    ;)  
Paulie

That might be boarderline too wide for deer, don't know, never shot that head at a deer before so I can't say for sure.

 

QuoteOriginally posted by Legolas:
I do not understand bleeder blades.         It seems a good chance it would catch on a deer rib and not offer sufficient stuff to bust through.

If you can't bust through the ribs of a whitetail and get to the goodies with a 4 blade, you've got problems other than the bleeder blades.

I've shot well over 50 whitetails with 4 blades and I understand bleeders completely.

I've NEVER got 'caught' on a rib.  Seems to me you can't get caught on one based on all my experiences. The only time I've not had pass throughs were when the off shoulder/leg bone was hit.  A properly tuned whitetail set up should snap or cut through ribs with ease and blow slap through a whitetail.

Also, not sure why the bleeders would be subjected to 'catch on a rib' when they are usually considerably narrower than the main blades.  More times than not, the main blades are going to to the rib cutting/busting.

I agree with Terry.Also most broadheads cut ribs on deer instead of busting them.I have broken ribs with the muzzy chisle points but with cut on contac heads they just slice through deer ribs. jmo

I would use the treeshark without bleeders on turkeys.Those quills and the way a bird gives on impact makes it hard to shoot though one. Unless you shoot a pretty heavy bow you prpbably are still going to leave the arrow in the bird. I would not need bleeders with my bows.  :)

With that setup, assuming a properly tuned arrow, you'll shoot through deer unless you get into some heavy bone up front.  And if that happens, no head can be guaranteed to penetrate.

Falk, sorry  :(  Wish I had some to spare  :)  ...Van

I've killed several deer with the treeshark and equipment almost identical to what you specified and have been amazed at how well the treeshark penetrates. The shots I made went in high behind the shoulder and came out low - complete penetration but not a 'zip through'. That kind of shot goes through a fair amount of bone but the Treeshark handled it nicely. I personally wouldn't use the Treeshark out of any bow less than 50 pounds - but that's just me...

Yeah James....here's a rib, not a normal rib, but one from a 260# whitetail buck I shot with a Sasquatch.  The head cut it in half and the head continued on exiting and poking the off leg elbow joint.  64# MOAB and a 580 grain Trad Heavy.

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Not sure I'd go over 1 1/2" wide two blade with a sub 50 pound bow.

I've killed a pile of stuff where the bleeder cut two ribs in and two ribs out. Of course that was with a mid sixties to seventy pound efficient bow... and the bleeder was plenty wide at that.

Charlie's answer would definitely be a safe bet answer.

I'd also like to add to my other statement....'a normal 4 blade, not an extremely wide one' for a normal whitetail set up.

Terry,
Thanks for your experienced input. I have not shot bleeders cause I just could not think of pushin a  razor blade thru a bone. In the real world the dynamics must be different...You do shoot a fast powerful bow. Don't know if I still would want bleeders on a 50 -sub 50 lb. bow. Lots of people get pass thrus with 40+ bows but I bet they didn't hit a rib or shoulder on the way in.

Paul

Yeah Paul.....under a 2 blade would probably be best....and you could still use a decent cut width as well.

I think of a Broadhead more like a knife than a razor blade.

I wish someone would remake those deadheads

Paul I see you edited your post after I posted....

BIG difference between a shoulder and a rib....REALLY, REALLY big.  Again...take a look at the width between the ribs...Kinda hard not to hit a rib in some sort of fashion.  As you can see, I cut one in half and nicked the one below.


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Again, Whitetail ribs aren't a problem.

I've killed several deer with the Bear Razorhead and bleeders. Never a problem with the bleeder blades. Shot several more with the Thunderhead 125 which also has bleeders. That was in my compound days. Never had a problem with the Thunderhead. Guy by the name of Fred Eichler completed the 28 North American traditional slam using the Muzzy Phantom 125 with bleeders on everything but the buffalo. He shot the buffalo with the Phantom minus the bleeder blades looking for better penetration on such a thick skinned animal. If you tune your equipment properly you should not have a problem shooting 2" heads. Personally I prefer something a little smaller like the Phantom 125 or the Wenzel Woodsman. Good luck and goodshooting.  :thumbsup:

Please add the following to the post I just made: I've killed several turkeys with traditional equipment using 125 grain Magnus screw in heads without bleeders and Bear Razorheads with bleeders. Never lost a bird. Missed a couple, but never have lost one.  :jumper:

BTW...the ideal hit is a double lung with the head making contact near verticle and not hit a rib...and exit without hitting a rib.  Not because of penetraition...but that the deer will not even know its hit.

I've done this several times with Delta 4 blades, and its part of the reason I have such a short recovery average as the deer only take a couple of bounds and look back to see what happened.  I've had them fall over right there, I've had them start to walk off and fall over after a few yards...and I've even had them pick up another acorn and drop while they were chewing.

If it can't slip between the ribs of the game we're hunting (with a lucky shot), it's too wide. Except for turkeys, of course. d

I have shot several with a 1.5" 3 blade with 52#s at my 28" draw and as Terry said 2" will blow thru as long as you do not encounter the shoulder or leg bones. Shawn

QuoteOriginally posted by Dave2old:
If it can't slip between the ribs of the game we're hunting (with a lucky shot), it's too wide.  d

Please explain Dave.....