Was just looking thru the june/july issue of "outdoor life" and came across a short on pg.20..the center for disease control and prevention in fort collins co. has come up with a vaccine they used on mice to try and it was 100% effective..don't foresee a problem making a transition to humans..anybody else hear anything about this???
If true, that would be great news. There's been quite a few cases in my area to include both me and one of my sons.
There was a vaccine that was discontinued in 2002. It wasn't very longlasting and there were some other problems with it as well. The maker cited low sales as the reason for pulling it. Gotta love Big Pharma.
There was a study going on a few years back vaccinating mice against it to try to reduce the number of infected ticks... kind of treating it ground up. I think that was somewhere in MI, but I never heard anything else.
The University of RI is working with a group in Pakistan on developing up a vaccine of some sort, and Stony Brook patented something that could potentially be used to make a more effective vaccine.
I don't see anything on the main CDC website or the Fort Collins site (the CDC's Division of Vector Borne Infectious Diseases).
Nothing looks to be in clinical trials right now, but I don't have all the links on the home computer to check.
Oh, I was also going to say Big Pharma is going to be extremely hesitant to develop, test, and market a vaccine for a disease that is relatively easily treated and that the general population has an extremely low chance of being infected with. Add in the substantial liability risks, high clinical trial costs and low expected sales and you've got a 'no-go' from the start. It's a damn shame.
Here's a map showing the reported cases in 2006:
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That's me, right in the middle of the solid blue (Lyme, CT is a few minutes from the house).
anyone ever wonder why there is such a concentration of cases in the long island conn. nj area...
Ticks all over Long Island. The place is infested.
Not likely to see a vaccine come back. (there was one as previously stated). Pharm companies find it more profitable to just keep us on antibiotics.
My daughter-in -law (1) got lyme from Missouri ticks; and that was 20 years ago.
There it seems are nearly 300 different varities of lyme; some are not identified on regular tests.
My daughter in law has gotten to the point in treatment that the doctors believe the lyme is gone.
But the treatment that kills the lyme is taken over a long time; as the dying lyme gives off toxins.
The toxins are what she is dealing with now.
I am not certain one vaccine will stop it all.
I have to wonder why a disease would mutate so fast; and not lose its potentcy on humans.
If you think you are sick from a tick bite; make sure ALL the tests for it are done- as the quicker you attack it; the better chances you have.
How did the Native Americans survive it; do they now get sick from it?
SMM
I have Lyme Disease. It's believed to be systemic and after a long treatment I'm in remission. I get a checkup for it annually. IMO, there is no effective vaccine for Lyme Disease. Early diagnosis and the right treatment is vital. A blood test for Lyme is a waste of time. What got me cured was a visit to a Natureopath doc with a Vega energy computer and LOTS of natural herbs. After over a half year of suffering I was dramatically better within 3 weeks. Don't mess with Lymes, and don't expect to see a "bullseye" or a rash - wasn't any for me. Antibiotics are the LAST RESORT for me, for ANYTHING. They can do way more harm than good. Curse those Western docs and their damn pill pushing and the perks they get from the evil drug companies!
Everyone who spends time in the woods (or the garden, park or anywhere else) would do well to check the CDCs website on Lyme Disease (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/lyme/) and check out the link to 'other tick borne diseases' as well. Ticks aren't the only problems either.
Lyme disease is caused by a specific bacteria that can be carried by blacklegged ticks. These ticks are in their highest concentrations where the most cases are reported, but can be found in nearly all of the US. The rest of the country has other types of ticks that carry different bacteria that cause a bunch of other nasty problems.
Not every tick carries the bacteria and not every bite results in an infection. Though Lyme Disease is caused by a specific type of bateria, there are a number of different strains, each with it's own little quirks (same with E.coli outbreaks too... ever wonder how the CDC tracks down where the E.coli originated from? Each strain is slightly different genetically).
The damn bloodsuckers can carry a bunch of other little 'bugs' that can cause serious problems and present many of the same symptoms as Lyme Disease.
A blood test is only reliable in the later stages of an infection, and by then your chances of comlications goes up.
As Rob unfortunately has found out, some people have problems for years after the bacterial infection has cleared up. The exact cause is unknown, but the chances of it happening go up dramatically the longer you have the infection! Antibiotics are the best way to get rid of a bacterial infection quickly. Your body can do it alone - and does on a daily basis - but when something comes along that really challenges it (and this bug does) your immune system starts to act a little funny. There's credible data that suggests the lingering effects are autoimmune in nature.
When your body has a bad infection (like the late stages of Lyme disease) your immune system is really cranking, trying to find some antigen it can make antibodies against so it can fight the infection. Unfortunately, when your immune system is stressed that bad, it starts making mistakes, and can start making antibodies against things that aren't a problem, or worst case, part of your own body.
After that response has died down - either on it's own, using steriods or natural remedies (some of which resemble steriods) - the cells that caused the problem don't go away. They are there waiting to see something they recognize so they can start the process all over again. Allergies work the same way (this is also the basis for how vaccines work). These cells can stick around for years or even a lifetime.
I to am in the 'dark blue'...spent half a spring day spraying permethrine on my hunting duds for spring turkey.....but only made it out once....
a couple of the spots I hunt...every day tick check before I get in the vehicle finds at least 2 or 3 of the buggers (and thats not counting the number I pull off WHILE hunting). that, and pulling a tick off my 5 yo last fall...got me pointed to the permanone stuff...hope it works.
If someone were to plot the population density of the northeast it would look a lot like that map, so that is probably one of the reasons why NJ, Conn, Long Island, etc. have so many cases.
Mark
Jersey has high cases of it because of the land being made in to sub-da-visions, the ticks just walk in the doors or get them when they are doing yard work.... the mice (deer) ticks are so small ppl just don't look hard to find them.
If you get down to the real carrier of Lyme, you will see it comes from the field mice, Not Deer...IMAO they are being called the wrong thing.Mice ticks is the right wording.
American Indians didn't get lyme or know what it was till the late 1800's early 1900's. They most likely used plants to help fight it. They did know what plants to eat to help with different kinds of sickness.
I do believe Lyme came from Europe when the White ppl came over....
Hey Hickstick,
What is permanone? I have used permethrine and it is very effective but have never heard of permanone.
Builder
Rob, just out of curiosity? WHat were your systems at first. Thanks. BILL
just a brand name of permethrine....sure its all the smae stuff....
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Rob, just out of curiosity? WHat were your systems at first. Thanks. BILL
Right elbow soreness that got worse, sports doc said it was tendinitis, prescribed and took enough anti inflammatory drugs for over 6 months to affect my kidneys and have constant cramps, other joints started aching, never had the "classic" tick bite signs, blood tests showed nothing out of the ordinary.
My wife dragged me to a Natureopath doc, I thought it was quack medicine and a buncha BS - specially when I was Vega machine tested, what a joke! - but the joke was on me, he knew what I had within 15 minutes (Lyme) and prescribed the right herbs and supplements. I was still a big skeptic, but that changed within days as I started feeling better, and within 3 weeks I was about 75-80% "cured", the remainder of the symptoms took about 4-5 months to kick outta me.
If you have any persistent joint soreness that doesn't seem to be responding to anti inflammatory drugs, get thee to a Natureopath who's versed in reading a Vega body energy machine/computer. My Natureopath doc's location is one town away from Lyme, CT, and he's worked with thousands of Lyme patients, all "cured". Fighting Lyme with herbs/supplements is the way to go, it takes longer to kill the bugs but it's safer and the more natural way to affect your body and system - stay away from anti biotics whenever possible!!!
Rob, what is the vega test...
QuoteOriginally posted by mysticguido:
Rob, what is the vega test...
The Vega is a German made computer that measures and compares your body's energy against known bacteria.
I have to respectfully disagree with Rob on this. The longer the bugs are in your body the greater the chance of getting the long term complications.
The vast majority of cases caught early and treated with antibiotics have no long term symptoms and are normally cleared up with just a week or two of an oral antibiotic. I'm not a fan of taking drugs either, but there are a few instances where it's a very good idea, and Lyme disease is one of them!
A misdiagnosis or something else that delays treatment is where you really start to have problems. Letting the bugs multiply, go through their life cycle and progress into later stages of the disease is nearly certain to give you some long lasting and potentially very serious symptoms.
QuoteOriginally posted by Jeremy:
I have to respectfully disagree with Rob on this. The longer the bugs are in your body the greater the chance of getting the long term complications.
The vast majority of cases caught early and treated with antibiotics have no long term symptoms and are normally cleared up with just a week or two of an oral antibiotic. I'm not a fan of taking drugs either, but there are a few instances where it's a very good idea, and Lyme disease is one of them!
A misdiagnosis or something else that delays treatment is where you really start to have problems. Letting the bugs multiply, go through their life cycle and progress into later stages of the disease is nearly certain to give you some long lasting and potentially very serious symptoms.
Just what made you think that I'm not in favor of getting immediate help? Did you not read my posts?
The business of deciding what to do about sore joints is your business. It could be tendinitis. It could be other ailments besides Lyme. Or it could be Lyme.
There are no Western medicine tests that are proof positive for Lymes disease.
You wanna use antibiotics, go right ahead. No thanx for me, I learned my lesson, I'd rather go with an herbal supplement cure from the get-go and not strain an already strained system. Here in the US, we're WAY too antibiotic happy, and the docs and pharmas are all too easy to dispense this crap for all the wrong reasons.
You think you might have Lyme? You've got sore joints that don't respond well to anti inflammatory drugs? See a Natureopath and get a Vega reading.
Hopefully, we can all make wise decisions. I didn't at first ..... lesson learned the hard way.
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
it takes longer to kill the bugs but it's safer and the more natural way to affect your body and system
Rob, anything that prolongs the bacterial infection increases the risk of long-lasting complications dramatically. The BEST way to clear up a bacterial infection is with antibiotics.
It sounds like you had a misdiagnosis (tendonitis in your above post) that delayed treatment by 6 months. By that time your body may well have already fought off the initial infection. The problem though is that is FAR beyond the time when it should have been treated and you ended up getting some of the lingering effects of the disease.
Natural cures have their place. Lord knows a bunch of drugs have been isolated from Nature and there will be more to come. My problem with them currently is that people regard them as 'safe' because they're 'natural' when few people have done the work to see what exactly is in them and what else they do to your body. You'd be surprised how many of the natural 'cures' screw up some other system in your body while 'curing' you.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
it takes longer to kill the bugs but it's safer and the more natural way to affect your body and system
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And your point is ... ?
Sorry, hit the wrong button before typing in my response :)