I'm shooting 51 lbs out of a Black Widow Longbow. Is a Wennsel Woodsman a good head to hunt with? Deer/ hogs....
Or should I go with a two blade?
Thanks.
2 blade!
You should have no problem with that draw weight and that head. That is my opinion though.
I've had better success with 2 blade. JMO. WW has failed on me in the past.
I should think that would be just fine. As long as the head is sharp and the arrow well tuned ou should be in good shape.
I put a 3 blade snuffer in one side and out the other on a nice buck the other year at 30 yards using a 48# longbow.
A 2 blade head MAY give you more margin for error.
if you go with a 3 blade go with the snuffer ss. Stronger and less prone to failure, WW are sketchy IMO
It will work well and should give you two holes.I still prefer a bigger two blades for hogs however.The woodsman has always worked great but my Simmons puts more blood on the ground on hogs but on a decent hit hogs go down a lot quicker than deer anyway so it is not needed a lot.
With 50# holding weight, any sharp 2, 3, or 4 blade head has the potential to kill deer provided yer aim is true. I prefer Woodsman broadheads over Snuffers, and 11 or 12 GPP arras with a good 25 to 30% FOC. YMMV.
I used Woodsmans on 2016's out of a 54@27 longbow one year. I shot straight through a 140lb doe and a 180lb buck. Short drew by about two inches on the doe and still blew through both lungs. The buck was a heart shot and the head came out low and stuck in the off leg. Both were dead inside of 50 yds.
Keep the arrow weight up and you shouldn't have any problems as long as you hit them where you should.
Ace Super Express 175 Grain. Ever see what they look like Pastor Steve? They look like a necker knife on the end of an arrow. I will be shooting them this season because with my torn rotater cuff and my average bow weight of 47 pound longbows. I will be shooting them. Terry used one on that big, old, ugly hog he just shot. Check his thread. I put in a 42 grain screw in adapter for my carbons. So 217 grains of flying death.
I like the two blade....I know lots of guys on this site swear by the WW but both myself and a buddy (on the same hunt) had problems with the Woodsman with penetration. Maybe we just didn't know how to sharpen them correctly but they seemed sharp to us at the time.
Personal experience is that the Snuffer bends a little easier than the Wensels. But, I have shot Snuffers, Wensels and STOS 2 blades and all are excellent heads. The most important issue is correct shaft spine to get them to fly well, and then getting them as sharp as possible.
Sharp sharp sharp good flight and hit the boiler room no prolem.50 is plenty.
Remember the big ole carbon steel Satillite 175gr 2 blade heads they discontinued a while back? Found em discounted at a local Dick's, 3 heads in a pack for $1. Bought all they had, around 20 packs. I'll be using 2 blades for a while...
Jerry
Jerry, I remember those Satallites. I used to love those BH's. I'm gonna check out Dick's.
I've prolly killed a hundred hogs with three blade heads. I only shoot 55#. Two blades just don't leave enough of a hole.
I'm with Biggie on this one. After seeing what another hunter did with a WW on a hog hunt, I had to try them. That year I shot an elk with on and had the largest entry and exit hole I have ever had. Been using them for six years now and have had great blood trails with happy endings.
BTW most of the time I was shooting all natural bows in the 55# range.
Mike
I killed a 2000# Buffalo with a WW and a 70# longbow, penetraited to the fletch....so I recon you won't have any problem killing a little o'l deer with a 51# bow and a WW.
WW's are tuff heads, as I use them a lot for small game and they can take a lot of abuse. Just make sure you get em sharp...
Oh, I hear 3 Rivers finally got the manufacurer of the heads to straighted out the waivy bevel, so they should be easier to sharpen.
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
Oh, I hear 3 Rivers finally got the manufacurer of the heads to straighted out the waivy bevel, so they should be easier to sharpen.
Wish it is/was true. Recent thread here said otherwise..... dang!
Yeah Terry, I heard the same about three rivers WWs.
51#s is alot of #s, plenty enough for most any Bhd you want to shoot. No experience with WWs but with many others 3 and 2 bladed. just the looks of the WW I cant see why it wont penetrate.
J
I haven't bought any but a friend has and said they were good, if he didn't live 4 hours away I'd get my hands on them and see for myself. Take it for what is worth Bob, :D LOL give me till next week and I will give you a report cause I am gonna order some then.
J
BobW...I heard it directy from 3 Rivers. I was contacted by them regarding that thread. They just might not be in all the pipe lines yet.
BTW...even thought the bevels were waivy, they were easily evened out with a belt sander....but they really should come straighter from the manufacturer. Hopefully that is the case.
Matter of fact, I'll order some today and see for myself.
Please don't take this a picking a fight. I need to say first of all, I am a fan of the shape of that head. But, I can post pics of how little of the rear section of the blade is left from "evening up" that wavy blade. Re-grinding a blade shouldn't be necessary, and especially when it comprimises structural integrity. The removal of that much material on a single side also likely has an impact on flight characteristics (but then again, almost everything in my form does too - lol).
I have two cards of "the originals" that are like gold to me. Last years ones don't cut it. I'd really like to see them made decently again, and I'm hoping that you are right.
I don't really believe that a single package is difinitive proof either. Going to take some time to win back my trust.......
Bob....I've probably done over 4 dozen, and never had to cut any as low as you described....maybe you got some really bad ones.
Believe me, I'm with ya on the 'shoulda come straight to begin with'.
I have killed my last 4 deer and now 1 bear as of this week with the ww broad heads.All but one deer was a comlete pass thru and after traveling the full length of the deer it stoped at the far shoulder blade.I'm a believer.The deer was killed with 49lb bow the bear about 53lb and it even went thru the far leg after exiting the chest cavity.Great broadhead and Terrys method of using a sander to get them ready to sharpen is the only way to fly.
If sharp, you will shoot through deer and hogs like a knife through butter. Sharp ww's and 9-10 grains /lb of draw weight and they go through them like wet newspaper.
like i said earlier, sketchy
Here is what I got when following the "conventional file and sharpie" method, not to mention sore hands from over 45 minutes of work on one head. In order to get a uniform removal of marker, this was all the blade I have left - this is only on one side, the othere remained consistent.
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Way back when I started using WW's I followed Terry's advice - begin the WW sharpening process by laying each double edge down on a stationary or belt sander and slightly lift up the head's rear end, to "fatten up" that needle point. Then I run the edges over a mill bastard file for a few strokes, then strop out with a DMT dual grit diamond file. Truly razor sharp. Never had a problem with WW heads - yet!
I sharpen each blade seperate as I would a knife blade after cleaning the grind up some with a file.Never had any trouble even with a wave or two in the blade.
Steve, I shoot vaporwoods 2000 and 125..with 50 or 100 grain insert out 50#, a 53# longbows...today is going to be good day!!!!!Marco
I`ve killed 40-50 critters with woodsmans when they first come out with bows between 50-55 lbs.Havn`t tried the "new" ones.RC