Post by: Mad Max on January 08, 2025, 04:57:27 PM
Dug out a Cedar (Juniper)board to make a few Veneers, maybe
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Post by: Kirkll on January 08, 2025, 09:56:36 PM
I'm experimenting with this Fossilized woven bamboo on the belly side. So far my tests are showing higher compression strength than maple. The epoxy infused bamboo is seriously hard stuff, but surprisingly flexible. I was afraid it might be to brittle at first, but its held up well on heavy bows so far.
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Post by: Buemaker on February 03, 2025, 06:09:05 PM
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Post by: bownarra on February 04, 2025, 01:21:37 AM
I've been making some Rob cosman style wood hinge business card boxes...a nice change from the bows.....
Post by: dbeaver on February 11, 2025, 11:35:52 AM
Going to twist a string up for a flip tipped pacific yew selfbow and do some final tillering later on today, got a very interesting piece of hawthorne ill start scraping on soon been rigorous to get the tips aligned with steam and theres some pretty intense natural reflex which will be fun to tiller
Post by: Kirkll on February 11, 2025, 11:47:40 AM
Years ago I got a huge trailer load of Osage thinking there would be a lot of good bow wood. It had been brought up from California and stacked in a shed for over 20 years. She was planning on having furniture built from it originally. Unfortunately…. Most of it was checked beyond use, no stave wood at all. I saved a few pieces for riser wood, but most of it ended up in the firewood shed. Kinda sad really…. But it burns like coal… :thumbsup:
Post by: Burnsie on February 11, 2025, 12:16:01 PM
I just put another large piece of Osage in the wood stove… :o :o :o :o that 8” thick log must of weighed 30# and it’s 30 years old.Yeah, Osage burns crazy hot. Have to be careful loading up a small pot belly or barrel stove with 100% osage, you'll have the sides glowing red.
Years ago I got a huge trailer load of Osage thinking there would be a lot of good bow wood. It had been brought up from California and stacked in a shed for over 20 years. She was planning on having furniture built from it originally. Unfortunately…. Most of it was checked beyond use, no stave wood at all. I saved a few pieces for riser wood, but most of it ended up in the firewood shed. Kinda sad really…. But it burns like coal… :thumbsup:
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Post by: Buemaker on February 12, 2025, 04:48:52 AM
Post by: Buemaker on February 12, 2025, 05:46:57 AM
Looks like a nice Osage log.
Post by: dbeaver on February 12, 2025, 06:54:57 AM
Post by: Longcruise on February 12, 2025, 06:01:12 PM
Wheeled out some more Osage - could be some nice staves.
Why does that have the look of a public park? 🤣
Post by: dbeaver on February 12, 2025, 07:54:54 PM
Post by: Longcruise on February 12, 2025, 07:59:47 PM
Post by: Burnsie on February 12, 2025, 08:00:40 PM
Local County prairie restoration/walking area. They are clearing out all the invasive trees - honeysuckle, autumn olive...etc, and they also consider Osage as an invasive species to the area. I know some of the guys doing the clearing and they keep an eye peeled for for straight pieces and let me know before they go in the burn pile. I have to drag/wheel them out to the parking area. I still end up rejecting a good amount of them.Wheeled out some more Osage - could be some nice staves.
Why does that have the look of a public park? 🤣
Post by: Longcruise on February 12, 2025, 08:02:17 PM
Post by: wooddamon1 on February 16, 2025, 08:18:38 PM
Unwrapping the ace bandage showed me how much glue I used hahah, squeeze out cleanup took some scraping and cleaned up the edges of the backing. Ready for some shooting and tillering tomorrow.
That's gonna be a beauty.
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on February 16, 2025, 08:32:28 PM
After dealing with the furnace acting up today I got a little work done on a snaky Osage stave. After cleaning up it’s a little narrow and the handle area is quite small. So I shaped out a piece of cherry to somewhat match up then gave it a boil before tightly clamping into place. Tomorrow I’ll get it glued up. Once it dried I’ll glue a belly side block to thicken up the handle a bit more before I start tillering. There are still a few cracks that need attention before tillering. But it looks better than I expected it to before digging in
Kyle
Post by: Mad Max on February 17, 2025, 04:37:44 PM
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Post by: Kirkll on March 18, 2025, 11:08:46 AM
Post by: Shootrj2003 on March 18, 2025, 11:38:48 PM
Post by: B-JS on March 23, 2025, 02:09:35 PM
No more Drilling jigs, that will eventually wear out.
Completely different feeling, deep regrett, i waited so long.
Post by: Kirkll on March 23, 2025, 08:12:04 PM
This is the one i put on mine. It's a variable speed control that is very nice for milling.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/301148098764?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=301148098764&targetid=4581046493380274&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=603247657&mkgroupid=1239150647972013&rlsatarget=pla-4581046493380274&abcId=9316139&merchantid=51291&msclkid=c632d6541c6a1e29601fb1b4bd9620cd
What type of vice do you have on that table? Kirk
Post by: B-JS on March 24, 2025, 01:38:14 AM
For the ILF Limbs, it works by Hand Operation or with assist of a cordless screwdriver.
I'll see, what else i will be doing with this new toy.
The Vice is a self centering one for about 100€.
Maybe i'll Upgrade this in the Future, but does the Job for now.
Post by: Kirkll on March 24, 2025, 09:46:35 PM
I've got an older Kurt vise here that i had a couple of 1/4" steel plates fabricated to help me hold my riser blocks at different angles with enough height to keep from flipping your riser end for end. Those so called self centering vises can give you problems. Watch that baby closely.... It's always best to never flip that riser around and mill everything in a straight line. and ALWAYS check dead center and zero out your DRO with every set up after the riser has been placed in the vise. You'll figure it out yourself as you go along. I just thought i'd share a few tips. Any type of machinist work is all in the set up, and learning the feed rates and type of mill ends or cutters to use. For riser work i typically use router bits and end mills for setting location pins accurately.
Here is my set up.... I cheaped out on DRO and used slide micrometers for XYZ axis.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/CuHzJm2a2sJ8Swiu8
Have fun with your new toy! These things are great tools.
Post by: B-JS on March 25, 2025, 09:56:31 AM
I check for propper Zero and straightness before i drill.
After the Initial Setup, that took me like 1h for perfekt allignment, IT seems to stay true.
The only "milling" at the Moment is the Slot at the but of the ILF Limbs.
Bur this alone, is an absolute gamechanger compared to Drilling this with jigs....
The Vice was 100€ it does the Job, for the start.
I'll Upgrade this in the Future.
Post by: Kirkll on March 27, 2025, 10:14:04 PM
Here is the build album if you want to take a look.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/K24Yz3gEbmN4nEhC9
Post by: Buemaker on March 28, 2025, 04:20:50 AM
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Post by: BO-R on March 29, 2025, 09:03:51 AM
I finally got myself a proper Drilling/Milling Machine, for Bolt-down and ILF.
No more Drilling jigs, that will eventually wear out.
Completely different feeling, deep regrett, i waited so long.
Good move, I love mine...makes all things good again!
Agree with Kirk... the powerfeed is a game changer, I found mine on alibaba for 130.00
good milling!
Post by: BO-R on March 29, 2025, 09:05:21 AM
Experimental recurve ! Its coming along.
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Nice looking setup there...still working on my static design..
Post by: BO-R on March 31, 2025, 11:17:32 AM
gonna be 61.5" 45@28"
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Post by: Buemaker on March 31, 2025, 12:22:40 PM
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Post by: Shootrj2003 on April 07, 2025, 08:57:27 PM
Post by: dbeaver on April 08, 2025, 08:31:25 AM
Some say wet wood wet heat and with that steam for a bit longer than you think. the difference between 38 minutes and 45 minutes can sometimes be the difference between cracking fibers or working with rubber wood. Keep it a tad thick so if you do get some stress fractures you can shave down past them and still achieve your desired thickness. you could boil the whole limb if you fancied but that takes some interesting setup. Take care of one major correction at a time and let it sit in whatever clamping setup for longer than youd like as well, ive jumped the gun and erased heat corrections ive made many many times.
Post by: kennym on April 09, 2025, 11:10:09 AM
Nothin $115 wont fix but I'm down for 3 days .
It is 14 years old tho...
I'd buy a new one but they are over 8K and I may not have 14 more years in me! :laughing:
Post by: Kirkll on April 09, 2025, 01:21:37 PM
My widebelt sander ran the belt off the end this morning, investigation found an air solenoid was leaking, hoping it was a hose but nope.
Nothin $115 wont fix but I'm down for 3 days .
It is 14 years old tho...
I'd buy a new one but they are over 8K and I may not have 14 more years in me! :laughing:
What kind of sander is this Kenny? Air solenoid ???? :dunno: :dunno:
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Post by: kennym on April 11, 2025, 04:42:56 PM
Didn't fix it so called tech support this morning and the techy went over the whole problem and we tried some different things.
It started working but I'm still not sure what fixed it. I'm thinking low air pressure wasn't cycling the solenoids.
But anyway it is back to work now! :biglaugh:
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 12, 2025, 06:02:28 AM
Wonder how that happened?:)
Post by: kennym on April 12, 2025, 08:25:36 AM
So I'm still not sure what fixed it... :biglaugh:
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 12, 2025, 09:08:04 AM
Post by: Buemaker on April 13, 2025, 05:40:27 PM
Post by: Longcruise on April 13, 2025, 07:48:01 PM
Post by: Kirkll on April 14, 2025, 12:17:19 PM
Did you use tip wedges? and....What taper rates did you use?
Post by: Buemaker on April 14, 2025, 03:09:01 PM
Specs: lengt 64 inches ntn.
From belly side:
Bjorn glass .040
European Walnut thin veneer
Tapered bamboo
Riser 22 inches
Bamboo parallel
Bamboo parallel
Stabil kore
Walnut veneer
Bjorn glass
Riser is made from 3 pieces of Jatoba glued in I beam configuration.
As this one is the first off new form we shall see how it work out.
Have adjusted it today so tiller is dead even on both limbs measured from three points both on brace and 20 inch draw.
Post by: Kirkll on April 15, 2025, 10:45:17 AM
Post by: Buemaker on April 15, 2025, 11:56:24 AM
Post by: BO-R on April 15, 2025, 02:51:37 PM
Post by: Shootrj2003 on April 15, 2025, 08:53:51 PM
a bit of advice for your 2nd attempt.Thank you for the hints, I’ve for all intents finished the rawhide backed bow and it taught me a lot , I ended with a 40 lb bow but not befor a handle lamination let go for the third time after the rawhide was finished better handle design on the next one I reglued snd clamped this time then reinforced it with a rawhide handle wrap after it dryer I painted it with clear epoxy and wieghed it on the tiller tree -back up to 40 lbs then shot it for an hour no problems so I guess it is what it is , it’s a bow that shoots and I wanted to make one before I kick off! Well now I have two more in the works and several green staves ! ( I guess I’m hooked) thank you for help!
Some say wet wood wet heat and with that steam for a bit longer than you think. the difference between 38 minutes and 45 minutes can sometimes be the difference between cracking fibers or working with rubber wood. Keep it a tad thick so if you do get some stress fractures you can shave down past them and still achieve your desired thickness. you could boil the whole limb if you fancied but that takes some interesting setup. Take care of one major correction at a time and let it sit in whatever clamping setup for longer than youd like as well, ive jumped the gun and erased heat corrections ive made many many times.
Post by: Pat B on April 16, 2025, 08:06:36 AM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on April 17, 2025, 09:28:21 PM
The time has come to get the house ready to sell and its getting all torn down before the move. I’m gonna sell the big cabinet saw and get all my tools on mobile bases. I’m gonna try and get the dust collection consolidated and mobile as well.
All that to say, I got one last bow finished.
This one was intended for Kenny in the bow swap but came in originally at 60# somehow. I did get her backed off to 52@28. I love shooting this bow though and it looks like I just got to get stronger. 60# at my draw length, but I shoot it well.
Even though it will probably be until next winter before I dig into another build, I’ll be lurking around on here to see what you all got going on. :archer2:
Post by: Buemaker on April 18, 2025, 06:55:48 PM
Post by: Kirkll on April 19, 2025, 02:16:11 PM
That's sad you have to move... Why are you selling your place and moving? Greener pastures, Bigger shop next time?
Post by: Jon Lipovac on April 19, 2025, 02:51:33 PM
Moving just to build equity. I was a custom home builder for years and used to move a fair bit. Before our current home we lived in 3 houses in 8 yrs. Been in our current home 9yrs and now the youngest is in college. So we will most likely build 3 more homes and move every 2 yrs until we settle down for a bit.
No dedicated shop in the new home so will be putting all the fools on wheels so I can pull them out every once in a while.
The new garage has a 3rd bay that is 20’x53’ in which i will be doing PPF wraps on cars for some side money. I really enjoy doing them as I did do Custom Auto Painting in my 20’s for 9 yrs.
Here is an example of my wifes car I wrapped in cosmetic PPF last month.
Post by: Kirkll on April 20, 2025, 11:45:53 AM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on April 20, 2025, 12:14:36 PM
This is were the cosmetic wrap industry is leaning bs a normal vinyl wrap. Typical vinyls are 2-2.5 mils thick vs PPF coming in at 7.5-8.5 mils.
Post by: Kirkll on April 21, 2025, 11:16:56 AM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on April 21, 2025, 11:39:50 AM
Anything that mars the film without tearing it can be heated up and mostly healed. Worst case, you pull the film off that panel and re-wrap it.
Post by: Jon Lipovac on April 21, 2025, 11:43:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc7FAIMlU2o
Post by: bdsmith1 on April 24, 2025, 04:36:21 AM
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Post by: Smguinnip on April 24, 2025, 09:01:13 PM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on April 24, 2025, 09:11:23 PM
You can probable still save that if the glass is ground out too far. It'll just be a short base on the tip but still look decent.
Besides, less tip overlay=faster tips....Trying to look at the bright side :bigsmyl:
Post by: Smguinnip on April 24, 2025, 09:16:38 PM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on April 25, 2025, 09:14:44 AM
That thought crossed my mind, but I might try and grind it down to the glass and start over. Luckily, it barely nicked the glass, either way, I’m pretty sure it can be saved.
Agreed
Post by: Kirkll on April 25, 2025, 12:45:22 PM
I use a dremel tool with a ceramic tile bit to rough cut my tip notch grooves. I learned the hard way to dull up the brand new bits on a piece of steel and knock the edge off. Those brand new ceramic bits eat like a lion! I ended up piking a few bows an inch shorter because of that lion... :biglaugh:
Post by: Jeff tech on April 25, 2025, 05:43:17 PM
Limbs are Osage under clear glass Amber action Boo from a flooring that I cut down and grind. Going to be a sweet one going to North Dakota.
Post by: Watsonjay on April 25, 2025, 08:10:52 PM
Well, it’s a liitle bit hard to do but I started dismantling the woodshop. About 5 yrs ago when I learned how to build bows I partitioned off the 3rd bay in the garage and got set up for woodworking, but mainly bow building.
The time has come to get the house ready to sell and its getting all torn down before the move. I’m gonna sell the big cabinet saw and get all my tools on mobile bases. I’m gonna try and get the dust collection consolidated and mobile as well.
All that to say, I got one last bow finished.
This one was intended for Kenny in the bow swap but came in originally at 60# somehow. I did get her backed off to 52@28. I love shooting this bow though and it looks like I just got to get stronger. 60# at my draw length, but I shoot it well.
Even though it will probably be until next winter before I dig into another build, I’ll be lurking around on here to see what you all got going on. :archer2:
Man thats pretty!!
Post by: Jeff tech on April 26, 2025, 06:44:55 PM
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Post by: Watsonjay on April 26, 2025, 07:15:55 PM
Dang it. Those were looking good too.you ever thought about dual string grooves? Saw it once. One for practice and one for hunting switch string and move to lower string grooves and niw you are at hunting poundage.
You can probable still save that if the glass is ground out too far. It'll just be a short base on the tip but still look decent.
Besides, less tip overlay=faster tips....Trying to look at the bright side :bigsmyl:
Post by: Longcruise on April 27, 2025, 06:06:15 PM
And the palm side
How are you liking that asymmetrical riser design? I've been doing it on my rd style but not so far on a longbow. How long is the riser?
Post by: Jeff tech on April 27, 2025, 08:47:40 PM
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Post by: Kirkll on April 28, 2025, 09:52:16 PM
Better speed with a longer riser on a 66'longbow at 28". Shorter working limb. It will stack at 29" 3# pounds. Max efficiency and comfort at 28"
Your 66'' bow starts stacking at 29" ??? That doesn't sound right....
I can get 33" out of a 66" and 31" on a 64" on my long bows ....and... i use a 22" riser fade tip to tip and power lams beyond the fades 4". :dunno: :dunno:
.004 FT with Bamboo cores. .040 glass. Kirk
Post by: bdsmith1 on April 30, 2025, 06:58:40 AM
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Post by: Kirkll on April 30, 2025, 11:54:29 AM
Post by: B-JS on April 30, 2025, 02:02:52 PM
Will get some SR Limbs at the Weekend.
Post by: bdsmith1 on April 30, 2025, 02:05:40 PM