Title: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: Coachy on May 23, 2008, 05:00:00 AM
Post by: Coachy on May 23, 2008, 05:00:00 AM
Who here would put a F/F String on a Bear Grizzly Circa 1970 bow as long as the loops are padded ?
Over here we have people who would do this , saying that as long as the Loops are padded , it is fine .
What do you guys think ?
Over here we have people who would do this , saying that as long as the Loops are padded , it is fine .
What do you guys think ?
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: Killdeer on May 23, 2008, 05:28:00 AM
Post by: Killdeer on May 23, 2008, 05:28:00 AM
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Old bows were made for softer strings, B-50 and linen. That's what I feed them. If I want a Grizzly with FF, I go get a new Grizzly. Enjoy the bow for what it was intended to be.
Killdeer
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: Coachy on May 23, 2008, 06:04:00 AM
Post by: Coachy on May 23, 2008, 06:04:00 AM
And what makes the NEW Grizzly F/F compatible ?
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: WidowEater on May 23, 2008, 07:07:00 AM
Post by: WidowEater on May 23, 2008, 07:07:00 AM
mainly phenolic tip overlays or some other material that can take extreme shock
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: fxe on May 23, 2008, 09:20:00 AM
Post by: fxe on May 23, 2008, 09:20:00 AM
:scared: Not me
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: bbassi on May 23, 2008, 09:50:00 AM
Post by: bbassi on May 23, 2008, 09:50:00 AM
one word - BANG
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: trapperDave on May 23, 2008, 09:52:00 AM
Post by: trapperDave on May 23, 2008, 09:52:00 AM
I wouldnt
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: LBR on May 23, 2008, 10:33:00 AM
Post by: LBR on May 23, 2008, 10:33:00 AM
You need reinforced tips and the string grooves cut at the proper angle. I wouldn't try it myself.
Chad
Chad
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: Orion on May 23, 2008, 10:36:00 AM
Post by: Orion on May 23, 2008, 10:36:00 AM
There are lots of old Grizzlies around for modest prices if you don't mind the shock of a limb tip shearing off every now and then. Most would probably hold up, but the one or few that don't will be quite surprising.
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: Bjorn on May 23, 2008, 04:52:00 PM
Post by: Bjorn on May 23, 2008, 04:52:00 PM
I have done it with an old bow or two that I did not particularly care about and/or could easily replace.
In my case nothing untoward happened and the bow did improve in both speed and 'handling' both times.
I am not recommending it and if it were a bow I valued I wouldn't do it.
What I would do is get a really well made B50 string from Chad at LBR, with the right number of strands and correct padding, and that in itself can make a big difference.
In my case nothing untoward happened and the bow did improve in both speed and 'handling' both times.
I am not recommending it and if it were a bow I valued I wouldn't do it.
What I would do is get a really well made B50 string from Chad at LBR, with the right number of strands and correct padding, and that in itself can make a big difference.
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: alligatordond on May 23, 2008, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: alligatordond on May 23, 2008, 04:53:00 PM
WHY
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: Paul Collins on May 23, 2008, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: Paul Collins on May 23, 2008, 05:22:00 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: Shawn Leonard on May 23, 2008, 06:04:00 PM
Post by: Shawn Leonard on May 23, 2008, 06:04:00 PM
It is not worth the few fps. ya gain. You could just get an 8 or 10 strand B50 as long as the bow is 55#s or under and gain some speed and get less hand shock. Shawn
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: sagebrush on May 23, 2008, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: sagebrush on May 23, 2008, 09:51:00 PM
NOT ME !!!
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: 6X5 on May 24, 2008, 10:47:00 AM
Post by: 6X5 on May 24, 2008, 10:47:00 AM
Why do people always want to reinvent the wheel? What are you possibly going to gain other than shearing off your limb tips? That bows been around a lot of years,shooting just fine with the type of string it was designed for. Leave it alone and it will shoot many more years. Change it and kiss it goodbye.
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: TRAP on May 24, 2008, 10:53:00 AM
Post by: TRAP on May 24, 2008, 10:53:00 AM
Why risk it?
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: Paul Collins on May 24, 2008, 08:32:00 PM
Post by: Paul Collins on May 24, 2008, 08:32:00 PM
I sold a Bob Lee bow, which has pretty tough tips but is not designed for ff. The buyer dry fired it by accident when a nock broke, with a ff string. The string cut lengthwise through about 1/3 of the limb.
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: northern trapper on May 24, 2008, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: northern trapper on May 24, 2008, 09:15:00 PM
A few years ago I gave a fellow a grizzly and he promptly went out and got a new fast flight string for it then proceded to destroy what was a beautiful bow.
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: George D. Stout on May 25, 2008, 02:37:00 PM
Post by: George D. Stout on May 25, 2008, 02:37:00 PM
:scared:
NO!!!
NO!!!
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: hotfootTG on May 25, 2008, 06:03:00 PM
Post by: hotfootTG on May 25, 2008, 06:03:00 PM
Here are a couple of examples if you do. Both are upper limbs
-Left 2 photos is an early 70's - 35# Hoyt Pro Medallist purchased off of THAT auction site by a friend. It came with FF.
- Right 2 photos are an early 70's - 55# Red Wing Pro (mine) that I shot only very heavy fishing arrows out of it using a FF string.
Sickening, isn't it? :mad:
Al (Als Decals)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn70/hotfoot_bucket/Limbtips.jpg)
-Left 2 photos is an early 70's - 35# Hoyt Pro Medallist purchased off of THAT auction site by a friend. It came with FF.
- Right 2 photos are an early 70's - 55# Red Wing Pro (mine) that I shot only very heavy fishing arrows out of it using a FF string.
Sickening, isn't it? :mad:
Al (Als Decals)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn70/hotfoot_bucket/Limbtips.jpg)
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: Coachy on May 30, 2008, 04:18:00 AM
Post by: Coachy on May 30, 2008, 04:18:00 AM
OK , I guess that is a BIG NO . Cheers for the replies .
Maybe some of our Aussies need to rethink that thing about padded loops on a Non F/F bow .
Thankyou
Jeff
Maybe some of our Aussies need to rethink that thing about padded loops on a Non F/F bow .
Thankyou
Jeff
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: outbackbowhunter on May 30, 2008, 08:10:00 AM
Post by: outbackbowhunter on May 30, 2008, 08:10:00 AM
Jeff,
I know for a fact bear take downs dont like it( even the ones with reinforced tips that are supposed to be built for fast flight)
It would be interesting to chronagraph a standard dacron and a padded fast flight.
I bet there would be not much difference in fps. Not enough to bet a favourite bow on, methinks.
:)
I know for a fact bear take downs dont like it( even the ones with reinforced tips that are supposed to be built for fast flight)
It would be interesting to chronagraph a standard dacron and a padded fast flight.
I bet there would be not much difference in fps. Not enough to bet a favourite bow on, methinks.
:)
Title: Re: F/F on a NON F/F Bow ?
Post by: McK on May 30, 2008, 09:10:00 AM
Post by: McK on May 30, 2008, 09:10:00 AM
Well, I wouldn't recommend it on a bow that meant a lot to you. That being said I have done it many times. In fact the bow I shoot the most, a 1961 45# Bear polar that I pull 30", has had a 450+ string on it for about 8 years. I've shot it probably 20,000 times with arrows of about 10gr/lb. I even had an arrow nock break and dry fired it once. I also have several other vintage Bears I have shot a lot with similar strings with no problem, but all the real nice ones get dacron.
Why do it? Well the 450+ string is at least 10 years old (used it on another bow prior to the polar) never needs to be adjusted for brace ht. shoots about 6fps faster than dacron and on this bows is just as quiet ( that is not always the case on many bows). I also use ff type strings on selfbows some without tip overlays. Also on several bows ff has reduced handshock/vibration. Maybe I have just been lucky and as soon as tips start shearing off I'll repent and go to dacron.
The only damage I have done, due to dry fire with 62# bow, was with ff tips on custom bow, cracked tip overlay which was replaced and bow reverted to dacron.
This is just my experience and not a recommendation, I have a lot of bows and was willing to chance it.........McK
Why do it? Well the 450+ string is at least 10 years old (used it on another bow prior to the polar) never needs to be adjusted for brace ht. shoots about 6fps faster than dacron and on this bows is just as quiet ( that is not always the case on many bows). I also use ff type strings on selfbows some without tip overlays. Also on several bows ff has reduced handshock/vibration. Maybe I have just been lucky and as soon as tips start shearing off I'll repent and go to dacron.
The only damage I have done, due to dry fire with 62# bow, was with ff tips on custom bow, cracked tip overlay which was replaced and bow reverted to dacron.
This is just my experience and not a recommendation, I have a lot of bows and was willing to chance it.........McK