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Title: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on November 03, 2023, 09:29:16 PM

Does anyone have pics of impact and/or exit from 1 1/4 - 1 1/2" Abowyer heads?  Wapiti or Bonehead Large?
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on November 07, 2023, 04:56:20 PM

No one with any pics?
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer impact and exit pics?
Post by: KAZ on November 08, 2023, 05:26:16 PM

I’ll have to check my computer for better pics as these got stamped with the photo bucket fiasco and the story went through a Tradgang conversion so it’s not exactly as it was. For now though Page 7 has entry and exit of a 1-1/4” Bonehead:

https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=76570.120

Title: Re: Large Abowyer impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on November 08, 2023, 06:38:47 PM

Thanks
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer impact and exit pics?
Post by: KAZ on November 08, 2023, 07:14:03 PM

I will not try to sugar coat it.  If you want trauma and can push it, shoot wide VPA 3 Blades. Single Bevel will penetrate and kill. Blood tails suffer one for one but dead is dead, find it… :campfire: Both work, pick your path….

Title: Re: Large Abowyer impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on November 08, 2023, 07:53:49 PM

I currently shoot 160/190 grain Snuffer, 190/250 grain VPA, 200 grain Grizzly Instinct.  Want to try Big Single bevel on hogs and javelina.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer impact and exit pics?
Post by: KAZ on November 08, 2023, 08:13:42 PM

All I can say from reading your posts is send a bigger, wider spear… Why not? Javelina are thin skinned, hogs are heavier but you state high energy with your setup, let the trauma be evident… If you are not getting through, single bevel might help… :campfire:

Title: Re: Large Abowyer impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on November 08, 2023, 08:27:43 PM

Thanks for the info, just looking for options.  Pass throughs are common, except with larger hogs, but arrow usually pulls out as they run off.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer impact and exit pics?
Post by: JohnV on November 08, 2023, 08:36:28 PM

I have killed a lot of stuff with the Wapiti single bevel heads.  They produce large wound holes and I usually get very good blood trails.  I don’t take close up photos of wound channels on critters I have shot. 

Title: Re: Large Abowyer impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on November 08, 2023, 10:20:00 PM

Thanks, John.  That is what I presumed.  Hearing significant input to the contrary.  I wonder it those reports are from lower poundage bows?
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer impact and exit pics?
Post by: Roger Norris on November 09, 2023, 08:54:19 AM

Interested in this also

Title: Re: Large Abowyer impact and exit pics?
Post by: Nomadstalker on November 09, 2023, 01:40:31 PM

7 yard shot   This was the tree his head was behind

Title: Re: Large Abowyer impact and exit pics?
Post by: Nomadstalker on November 09, 2023, 01:42:35 PM

175g brown bear glue on this is the IN:

Title: Re: Large Abowyer impact and exit pics?
Post by: Nomadstalker on November 09, 2023, 01:43:51 PM

Out.

He ended up 25 yards from my tree

Title: Re: Large Abowyer impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on November 09, 2023, 08:50:46 PM

Thanks
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on November 26, 2023, 10:13:18 PM

There most be more folks with input on these heads.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on December 04, 2023, 01:48:40 PM

I'm wondering how these folks stay in business if no one is having success with these heads???
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on December 15, 2023, 09:57:08 PM

Have a handful of Abowyer heads coming my way, hope to have some pics of my own.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Terry Green on December 16, 2023, 02:38:53 PM

When Larry had the company. I set out to kill an animal with his broadhead   I shot a hog in Choutta. ...  we had to go back the next day to find it in a creek I wa very familiar with ... I'm not sure why I didn't take any entrance or exit pics.

https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=30454.0

Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on December 16, 2023, 03:18:18 PM

Gotta love those MOAB's.  Liver hit hogs can go for longer than you'd think.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on December 26, 2023, 08:17:49 PM

Santa delivered a  handful of Abowyer heads today.  Three RB Bonehead Large and one RB Brown Bear, that I'll probably mount on some CE Heritage 350 arrows I have RW four fletched.  One LB Bonehead Large that I'll put on my standard tapered, footed Woodies to take it for a ride.  Hope to get these out after hogs very soon.  Hope to get my own data for comparison.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on December 30, 2023, 08:34:51 PM

On another site was able to trade 3 Bonehead Large RB for 2 Bonehead Large LB and a Wapiti LB.  Yummy!!!  Now need a excuse to drive 2 1/2 hours North to chase some feral swine.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Kris on January 03, 2024, 12:26:24 AM

The buck in my file photo, I shot with a Wapiti; slightly diagonal, quartering on.  Entered 4 ribs up from the back of the rib cage, existing just in front of the rear leg, on the offside.  Not my desired shot.  He ran 50 yards and stood for 10 minutes very hurt and within view.  I could see his guts hanging out from the exit wound, as he limped away, sinking into the white pines that evening.  Because of the rearward hit, I let him go that night as a precaution.  The following morning, the blood trail was encouraging, then profuse and ultimately, short.  I found him New Year's morning 2010, it was -15 with the wind chill in southern Wisconsin. 
I've used the Wapitis since with mixed results, but knowingly would not blame the BH for these outcomes.  I love them for their size, their geometry, ease of sharpening, the sharpness I am able to obtain, robust design, hollow ground single bevel and their unobtrusive and undistracting OD color (not that this matters so much, but it fits the part).
If I could only use 1 BH the rest of my life, I would not hesitate in it being an Abowyer Wapiti.  Hope this helps. 
I do have wound photos, but out of time tonight.  Contact me personally, if interested.     

The poop - 66" 54# Jon McDonald Hybrid Longbow, 675 grain Carbon Express, 27% FoC.  12 yard pass-through, with BH buried into very frozen ground.  Recovered BH following spring 100% intact.

Best of luck -

Kris

Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on January 03, 2024, 09:52:13 AM

Thanks, I'm a John McDonald fan, as well.  Miss him.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: mnbwhtr on January 03, 2024, 01:12:59 PM

I realize this is a blurry picture but this was with a Zwickey delta, lots of blood!

Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Bbulkley18 on January 05, 2024, 08:46:31 PM

I was always told to stay 1 1/8” or less cut diameter for trad equipment, but it seems like folks have good luck with bigger heads.

Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on January 05, 2024, 08:58:22 PM

I think 1 1/8" might shine with sub-45# bows.  My bows have no problem with a spear head.   :thumbsup:
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Bbulkley18 on January 05, 2024, 09:21:33 PM

Thanks, I’ve been running 1 1/8 but pulling 50#, maybe I’ll look into some different heads.

Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on January 05, 2024, 09:32:55 PM

I prefer 1 1/4' or better for two blades.  3 blade heads help too, but I move towards 1 1/4"+ heads.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Bbulkley18 on January 06, 2024, 07:39:06 AM

Good to know. There are lots of good heads out there, I’ll start looking around more.

Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Kris on January 06, 2024, 03:24:04 PM

1 1/8" always feels a bit anemic to me, unless used with a bleeder blade.  Blood on the ground cannot be determined by cut width (size alone).  Its counter intuitive but there are thousands of post on this topic.  Having said this, however, I would prefer to error "bigger," rather than smaller.  Well-tuned arrows, mindful setups and reasonable shot placement from COC 1-piece heads will yield adequate or complete penetration in most cases...  You might as well run a bit more cut through the would channel, is my reasoning.  I like 1 3/8" or larger... 1 1/2" great!  You have to account for material being lost (width) do to sharpening anyway, start out wider to get where you want to be sharpened-up, ready to go.   

Incredible blood trails can be had with Tree Sharks & Snuffers, but on the other end of the spectrum, I don't like having that much BH on the end of my arrow, or in my quiver either.  I seek an optimum minimum, and the range I provided above, meets that criterion for me, at least.

Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Bbulkley18 on January 06, 2024, 06:29:28 PM

Good info, and makes perfect sense. I do have bleeders on the heads I run, but that extra cutting diameter on the main blades would make me feel better.

Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Gun on January 06, 2024, 06:42:20 PM

I shot five members of the deer family last year. All one arrow kills except my Moose. He only went about 40 yds. It was low lung and would have done the job, but I ended up putting another arrow in him just to speed things up. I  used a 200 gr Cutthroat single bevel on the Bull and Mulie Buck.

I used a Zwickey Delta w a loaded BH adapter also 200 gr on 3 Mulie does. All except one doe died in sight. All were pass thru except the Moose. 43# Bear TD

Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Bbulkley18 on January 06, 2024, 08:12:37 PM

Guys seem to really like the single bevel heads. I’ve never tried any.

Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on January 06, 2024, 08:29:54 PM

I have a handful that I am going to try, make sure to match bevel and fletch.  My BH are all heavy because I shoot heavy bows.  The lightest single bevel I plan to shoot is 175 grains the other is 210 grains.  1 1/4 and 1 1/2 respectively.  I make sure to report back here.  Snuffer, STOS, Magnus, ACE and Ribteck have all done the job, but there is always greener grass.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on January 09, 2024, 05:57:14 PM

About to do some testing with Wapiti heads.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Friend on January 09, 2024, 09:54:40 PM

Typical

results utilizing a Tree Shark...

Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on January 09, 2024, 10:57:56 PM

Many good and great heads out there pick your poison.  Have some Centaur that haven't drawn blood yet.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: J. Cook on January 10, 2024, 09:32:01 AM

Blood trails, in my opinion, are such a terrible way to try and decide on a broadhead.  The shot placement, angle, etc. have so much more impact on the blood trail.  I am a broadhead junkie - I love them.  I like shooting different ones, and in fact every bow I have set up for hunting will have multiple types of broadheads in the quiver.  What this has allowed me to do is gather a lot of real-life evidence of different broadheads on a variety of critters.   I can say one thing for absolute sure - ALL of them work really well when tuned, sharpened and put through the 10-ring.  NONE of them make up for a terrible shot. 

I have found height of the wound on the deer's body to be the key factor in blood trails.  Tree stand shots put a ton of blood on the ground as the exit wound is nearly always lower than the entrance, and lower than the median line of the body - i.e. gravity does the work.  I've also killed deer on the ground where entrance and exit stayed above the median line and the deer died in site.  But put almost ZERO blood on the ground until it toppled over - huge holes, but no blood made it to the ground because of the holes being above that median line and it bled internally.  No broadhead choice would have changed that outcome. 

I too really like the look of the Abowyer heads - the geometry, the design, and quite simply the "look" appear to be great.  I have not bought them yet as it would simply be for "fun" as I get 2 holes with nearly every broadhead brand / style I shoot.  I may be in the minority, but my experience tells me the broadhead itself doesn't really generated the blood trail as much as shot placement of any given broadhead (assuming they are sharp and tuned with good arrow flight).  I think for every single "I got a great blood trail with x broadhead" story, you'll get someone that had the exact opposite experience with the same exact head.  The differences would lie in the shot placement, angle, etc.  I'm just not sure that blood trails are a good reason to shop for any specific head.  There's too many examples of guys with huge blood trails shooting tiny little heads making tiny little holes... just as there are examples of guys shooting the giant snuffers and getting a poor trail because of where / how they hit the animal. 

Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on January 10, 2024, 10:26:12 AM

Jonathan;
I have to whole heartedly agree with everything you just wrote.  Two holes in the boiler room with a low exit make any broadhead look good.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: J. Cook on January 10, 2024, 08:51:55 PM

Having said all that... I too would like to hear more about the Abowyer heads because as I said, I'm a bit of a broadhead junkie and don't have any of those.  Yet.

Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on January 11, 2024, 02:53:19 PM

Was lucky enough to find several packs of Wapiti (new) that needed a new home.  Hopefully, I be pushing them through hogs February or so.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on January 13, 2024, 10:36:53 PM

Mailed a broken Bonehead Large back 5 Jan and received a new one today.  That works for me.
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Title: Re: Large Abowyer wounds impact and exit pics?
Post by: Wudstix on January 21, 2024, 07:17:27 PM

One positive aspect is that the heads come new with scary sharpness, make your eyes bleed just looking at them!!!
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