Trad Gang
Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Ruttinghard on August 27, 2023, 03:02:28 PM
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Hi all. I have been shooting trad for coming up on 3 years. I love my toelke longbows and wood arrows. I don’t see ever leaving them, but I am curious to try a heavy forgiving recurve. I know the “forgiving” aspect is often debated. But I had a cheap China made takedown recurve that was heavy mass weight. With carbon arrows, it was so much easier to be accurate with that than my light wood one piece longbows and wood arrows. I’m just wondering, what recommendations you have for heavy (mass weight), accurate, durable, forgiving. Thinking that will likely be takedown recurves. I would think black widow would fit the bill for non metal bows. I have a 78” wingspan and draw near 31”, so I would think 64”ish recurves would be needed. I have no idea about ILF or metal bows. Something that is highly resistant to limb twist or damage from backwoods hunting would be great. I know it’s a somewhat individual question, but appreciate any direction!
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You already are familiar with Dan Toelke's longbows. You would be hard-pressed to find a recurve that fits your description better than Dan's 64" Super Static Recurve with the bow-bolt take-down system.
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If you like that Toelke ask him about a recurve made with a G10 riser. That’s some heavy stuff. Otherwise I believe black ebony is one of the heavier woods but pretty pricey. Limbs are limbs unless you want all carbon or carbon glass combo’s. Then you’re looking at ILF more than likely. My “throw it down the mountain “ bow is an old Hoyt Rambo riser converted to ILF using carbon/glass limbs. There is no natural materials in or on this bow. It’s left strung, thrown in back of suv, in the hot sun and dust.
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You can not go wrong with a 64" MA from Black Widow for your draw length and mass weight.
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I don’t like these bows particularly but the thing I don’t like about them is the heavy, dead in your hand feel. I’d not say they’re awful, just not my style. Exactly what I hate about them is what guys love about em. I like a bow with life but you may wanna try a PSA or something. You could also add a quiver to your bow if it’s not already on there. That will add mass weight and perhaps suit you
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I love the Hoyt Satori, great weight, consistent and although I haven't tried, I'm sure it can take a beating. But ILF isn't for everyone because some seem to liken them as soulless, which I really don't get. Others want a bow that has visual appeal. Everyone is different but if you can get by the looks, ILF bows are a great option and shoot extremely well. Personally I like the look of them.
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Generally speaking, it is usually difficult to top a black widow psa or pma for durability. As far as forgiving, most of the forgiving bows will have alot of mass in the riser and limbs that have good lateral stability and may be middle of the road performers for recurves. Schafer Silvertip recurves and Black Widow recurves definitely fall into that category. Personally, I love the grip and shooting characteristics of the Silvertip recurves, even though they aren't absolute speed demons. In the trad world, you really aren't talking about crazy differences in speed between most models unless you get into the supercurves.
I guess I should mention that you can get as much weight and strength as you want with an ILF riser of varying lengths, plus extra ability for tuning. Those adjustments can come at a cost, with potential for increased noise if screws come loose, etc.
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A 19"satori with long limbs (longs are common and easy to aquire) makes a 64 inch bow. I can't recommend uuhka limbs enough. I have this exact setup, and it's one of my best shooters.
It's soulless, but impervious to weather, forgiving of mistreatment gives you the option so set it up however you want (tiller/minor wieght asjustment, elevevated rest/off the shelf, grip changes).
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in my opinion and experience
most accurate original pittsley preditor
most forgiving Mike Palmer double carbon or original Bob Lee's
most durable is blackwidow or in my experience the late 1990 era widows were indestructible
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Hi all. I have been shooting trad for coming up on 3 years. I love my toelke longbows and wood arrows. I don’t see ever leaving them, but I am curious to try a heavy forgiving recurve. I know the “forgiving” aspect is often debated. But I had a cheap China made takedown recurve that was heavy mass weight. With carbon arrows, it was so much easier to be accurate with that than my light wood one piece longbows and wood arrows. I’m just wondering, what recommendations you have for heavy (mass weight), accurate, durable, forgiving. Thinking that will likely be takedown recurves. I would think black widow would fit the bill for non metal bows. I have a 78” wingspan and draw near 31”, so I would think 64”ish recurves would be needed. I have no idea about ILF or metal bows. Something that is highly resistant to limb twist or damage from backwoods hunting would be great. I know it’s a somewhat individual question, but appreciate any direction!
Get the Toelke in a 2 pc takedown as it has a Micarta handle- you now can get two grip designs in it.
The bow withstood a string break at release from a 33 inch draw(55 lbs) so I would call her plenty tough. Just got her back after a refinish from Dan
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You might consider a Bear takedown (B riser, no.3 limbs for a 64-inch bow). Second only to ILF systems for limb choices. Lots of limbs available, and Bear is making more every day. I've found Bear TDs to be stable, quiet and good shooters. Never had a problem with durability.
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The one constant I’ve read re: limb twist is, go with carbon. There is some debate in regards to speed gain, but everyone seems to agree the carbon limbs are bomb proof. You can always rattle can a Camo pattern.