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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Squeeze on July 18, 2023, 09:33:06 AM
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Very curious of what y'alls hunting arrows weigh for bows around 47-53#. Wood, aluminum, or carbon.
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Ten grains per pound is the guideline.
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My bows are 49 @ 27in which is my draw length. i have some arrows that weigh in at 450 grains and others that come in at about 500 grains according to their length. 9-10 grains per pound is plenty for the deer and hogs i hunt.
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I'm shooting 704gr 2219s Widow MA 52@28
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560 for #40
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Yes, nothing wrong with 9.
And just remember all these overextremes can result in gut shots. Those people who are over extreme are usually shooting narrow one inch wide 2 blades that are not worth a s*** this side of the ocean..
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Wouldn't you say that's a pretty bold statement? Heavy arrow with a sharp woodsman or even an Eskimo could take that subpar shoulder shot and drive through to the boiler room. The gut shot you mention is operator error aka bad shot placement
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I mainly shoot wood arrows and my bow weights are 43-52lbs. Arrows are 475-595gr
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My bows are all over 63# and I shoot 10-12 gpp. Pass throughs are common. I favor tapered and footed wood arrows. I have one group of Red Balau tapered shafts that are 660 grains bare shaft at 29 1/2" with nock and point tapers. By the time I get stain, cresting, fletch and heads I'll probably be over 850-900 grains TAW. 66-71# bow should move these out OK.
10 gpp is a good target weight, but sometimes with lighter carbon arrows it is harder to attain. Quiet kills.
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I'm shooting wood arrows from my 49# longbow and they're all right around 540-550 grains.
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50 pound bows, with my draw length I’m pulling 48sh. Woodies at 550gr, unless I’m shooting 55/60spine, those are at about 560-570 grains.
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560 for #40
I'm around 560 as well for about 43 to 44 lb.
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Same as Brandon and George. Before injury I was 650gr with 53#
Hope to be 45-47 by fall. May have to tweak a bit from 560. Will see
I used to hunt w 75# in my prime. Didn't worry about penetration then
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I’m in that 11<->12 gpp range on several bows in the 43-48lb range
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675 - 840 depending upon animal hunted. All woodies. Bow weights between 47# and 54#.
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I typicaly shoot 10-12 grains per pound for hunting.
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I try to have mine between 525/550 on my 48 to low 50's self bows, wood arrows with YES a 2 bladed Ace head. Shoulder or gut shots are on me, not my set up.
Pappy
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Reading the comments lets you know who hunts ....and who doesn't.... its so obvious.
Yes, OPERATOR error... bad decision by a total idiot. Most likely from bs info overwhelmingly internet for the last 20 years.
Make damn sure your arrow is so heavy that the animal you are shooting at has been in Oklahooma for 2 weeks by the time it arrives.
Terry I understand you put alot of time and effort into this site over the past 20 years and its a great site loaded with info. You are supposed to be a peer/mentor to the new guys that are getting into traditional archery. Just because you don't agree with some doesn't mean they are wrong. We were all taught differently and what works for you may not be right/work for the next guys application. So please keep the trash talk to yourself and start acting like the peer/leader/mentor that so many new guys will look to for advice.
Have a fine day Mr Green I'm looking forward to the next debate " as one sword sharpens the other"
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I’m usually around 500 grains for 48# to 53#. It’s just where they ended up. I’d get an arrow to shoot good with a head I wanted to use and that’s what they weighed.
I set up some Douglas Fir For elk hunting with a 160 two blade STOS for my 53# Blacktail that shot nice. I sold that bow and later ended up bear hunting with a 48# Tall Tines recurve. I tried them out of that bow and they worked so that’s what I used. That arrow weighed right around 500 grains and completely passed through a good sized bear, (not that hard to do if you hit them right).
I also shot that arrow from a 51# hybrid as well on an average whitetail buck.
I guess it was just an arrow that worked well in that range of bows.
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DAS recurve 49 lbs. 29.25" draw Gold Tip 500 spine 610 gr.
Goes through them like a hot knife through butter...
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Wow, what ever happened to the rule of respect?
From the entry page of Tradgang;
"Expect to be respected if you decide to join the gang, because the rule of respect is held highest of the few rules that apply. Tradgang has zero tolerance for disrespect directed to anyone. If you want to disagree, then please do so in an adult manner. Debate is healthy, as one sword sharpens another, but it must be done in an honorable fashion."
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Three bows from 45 to 50 lbs. All are tuned to shoot the same 520 grain arrow.
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Quite comfortable shooting a 635 gn arrow with 400 gns up front out of a 48@28 bow....
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Between 9-11gns per pound has always worked for me
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Very curious of what y'alls hunting arrows weigh for bows around 47-53#. Wood, aluminum, or carbon.
Squeeze, what do YOUR arrows weigh? I'll go and say that what you will find regardless of arrow material, is most people are going to be in the 10 to 12 grains per pound for HUNTING 99% of game animals. That would be a solid average weight range. Now of course, some will go lighter.....some will be heavier. For whatever reasons for that being on what I would call a more extreme side for weight, that's their monkeys their circus and if it works for them, well that's it. There would be more concern for things I'd say as you creep towards the lighter side. Lots of bowyers might tell ya to NOT shoot under a certain weight for safety reasons and the construction of the bow. Super heavy arrows for thin skinned game like deer?, well the verdict is out on that so ........ I bet if you are in the realm of 10 to 12 gpp on your hunting arrows that you'll be a happy person when your shot placement is correct and you'll like to watch your arrows fly when you are just getting some fun shooting in as you will hold a very sufficient trajectory, not bogged down by an over the top heavy arrow.
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Never shot over 50lbs my arrows carbon 520gr I switched to wood and 560gr I am tinkering with some Aluminum that are 502gr. I have always shot a 2 blade broadheads.
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IMHO, what matters most is a sharp c-o-c broadhead AND consistent accuracy whilst on the hunt.
The ability to consistently deliver a lethal blade in the right spot, with "hunt shooting form" and not "target archery shooting form", makes for good kills. Knowing your maximum consistent hit range is also important. This is where heavier arrows will have increased arcs that might mean 10-17 yards is almost a gimme while 20 yards and beyond might be a "hail Mary". The important part of this equation is you, the bowhunter, and how effective you are with controlling bow holding weights. This can only be discovered by practice hunting.
Arrow weight is important. The rule of thumb has always been around 10gpp, i.e. - a 500 grain arrow for a 50lb bow holding weight (not draw weight). This is not a hard 'n' fast rule and is surpassed by consistent accuracy at a specific kill range. Light arrows would not be a good choice because while they will have a lowered flight arc, they will lack in penetration, even of their broadhead is truly hair shaving.
In the matter of broadheads, I've found the easiest for anyone to get razor sharp are good three blades such as the venerable Wensel Woodsman - lay flat on a file or sander belt and the blade angles are always spot on (see Charlie Lamb's How-To tip at the TG resources board). Arrows kill by blood loss, not shock. The twin or four blades will require some manner of understanding and retaining proper blade angles. If I can't create razor sharp broadheads, I ain't going hunting.
Good arrow flight that will deliver the cutting edges straight, not with any fishtailing or porpoising, is also important. This means both arrow spine and string nock placement and type of arrow rest and fit of the arrow nock to the string. Add in shooting form, or lack thereof.
Over the decades I've had to drop down in both draw length and holding weight, and these days for 28@43 my completed woody arrows (broadhead or field/blunt point or judo point) are around 520-540 grains. The rest is up to me.
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Rob, that's a great summary/overview.
Thanks! :archer2:
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Yep that was.
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50 lb longbow - 500 gr woodie with a 3 blade Snuffer. 43 lb recurve- 450gr with same said 3 blade Snuffer. Under 20 yards or I won't shoot. Shot placement and perfect arrow flight is key
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I shoot 53-55# and like 10-11 grains per pound but also with high (20-28 percent) FOC. I have always shot heavier arrows but since paying attention to FOC, have seen a big increase in lethality. I shot through a nice sized cornfed buck last year and went through his shoulder with a 560 grain arrow with 26% from a 55# bow. Great performance.
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Wolfie2nd and others.
You are correct... I had a couple of very frustrating days and I took it out here...
Yes, after running this place so long, its easy to get a short fuse. I come here for refuge as well from all the chaos in life, and I drug some of that in here and I know better. There's a lot that goes on here that no one sees, like trying to be taken over by a mafia type company, to finding out someone here has been posting pics of animals they have killed with guns for years. I went off, and again, I know better.
Please accept my apologizies. :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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Terry, no harm, no foul. I hope I can speak for others in saying that we truly appreciate all you've done, and continue to do for this site, especially the endless behind the scenes efforts. I doubt the gang would exist without your tireless stewardship.
I just wanted to say thanks.
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Please accept my apologizies. :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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Accepted, of course. And thank you, sir, for TradGang.
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Terry, thanks a bunch! :thumbsup:
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10-12 gpp, whichever tunes best. My eye likes the speed I get with them. Tried light arrows, struggled with high, especially in 'the moment'.
Some like chocolate some vanilla, experiment and see which you shoot best.
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Wolfie2nd and others.
You are correct... I had a couple of very frustrating days and I took it out here...
Yes, after running this place so long, its easy to get a short fuse. I come here for refuge as well from all the chaos in life, and I drug some of that in here and I know better. There's a lot that goes on here that no one sees, like trying to be taken over by a mafia type company, to finding out someone here has been posting pics of animals they have killed with guns for years. I went off, and again, I know better.
Please accept my apologizies. :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Terry, I don’t know you, but I respect a man who can own it when he needs too.
Shoot straight brother.
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I've been getting passthroughs on deer going with 9.5 and above out of my 47lb Palmer recurve. For deer I use the Palmer extreme cut which is a big four blade so i probably could go lower with a smaller head. For hogs I like to go a little heavier with at least 10 and i plan on going up to 12 in case I want to shoot a nice boar. For hogs i use simmons two blade.
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My last 25 plus deer all taken with arrows 610-675 grains with bow weights 46-55#. I like the heavy arrow to help lower bow noise. Most shots 4-18 yards. Usually pass through, but hitting offside shoulder can stop my arrow.
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When I shoot carbon arrows, I'll usually drop to 9-9.5 gpp from my listed bows. Most of my other arrow materials will be around 700 grains from my listed bows. Red Balau will be @900 grains. Looking for some cape buffalo in Texas!!!
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Im shooting 10 to 13 grains per pound depending on bow and point weight. Try 20% plus FOC with all bows and limbs. Total weight on my main rig a Bear b riser #1 limbs 50#s at my draw is 573 total weight. They are carbon with a 2 inch aluminum footing 75 grain insert wraped in back with 3 4 inch feathers.