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Main Boards => The Bowyer's Bench => Topic started by: kennym on May 28, 2023, 04:56:53 PM
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I’ve had quite a few folks asking about ASL or Hill style bows so I thought I’d throw one together cheap to see …
A 2x4 cut to 72” , straightest one I had out back …
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I ripped a little off one edge for a square corner on it.
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Oh I started this operation three weeks ago just before the tornado . Been so busy helping neighbors that I just got back to it …
Here’s a new trick for me, mule tape on air hose…
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I cut notches in the bottom of form board with a router to keep mule tape from slipping . I will say it was a pain in the arse to wrap the tape around the entire form , if I do another I will use a 2x6 and put the pegs in it to wrap tape on…
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More to come???????? :bigsmyl:
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I'm not that interested in the bow itself, but I am watching the mule tape/air hose thing for tips and ideas. This seems like a great kit idea to sell for beginners who want a fast, pretty easy build to get started.
Mark
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This is going to be fun to watch .
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This is plenty for 1 bow for sure
https://www.amazon.com/2500-tensile-Polyester-Pull-Webbing/dp/B07X8DKY96/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=mule+tape&qid=1685324003&sr=8-7
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I use paracord on mine. About $3.00 worth.
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Here I put a scrap reverse (.002) taper on form with just a dot of CA on each end and clamped to keep flat on form.
The riser is straight on back and there is taper (.002) lams under riser on form.
This makes better glue lines because the riser doesn’t rock on the tapers under it . It does build in 1/16 ish string follow I found.
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About ready, put side washers on and drilled where middle of ramps will be about an inch down on form for ziptys. Once you get glue on all lams and glass and belly lams and glass laid on riser you can zipty the belly lams down in middle of ramps and alternate tightening to ease the riser to center of form if it’s moved a little.
About ready to go…
Guess I put washers on after this pic :biglaugh:
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As you can see, that 2x4 isn't anything special except straight both ways.
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This is a little stop about 3/4” wide I put on riser with a dot of CA on each end for the belly lams and glass to butt up to, it will grind off when you shape the riser.
If the lams and glass slide up the belly ramp and past the corner at top of ramp , it will leverage the lams up in middle of belly ramp and leave a hideous glue joint . Don’t even ask how I know this. :laughing:
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The black tape holds the metal pressure strip down at washers so it doesn’t get on top of a washer and not press there.
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I put a washer about 3” back from end of riser and one at mid limb on both sides of form . I drill them off center so the swing up to desired height . Be sure to check that aren’t too high , you want em just above stack of lams .
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Went well even tho I wondered if the mule tape was close enough on the hose. Used 60 psi in hose . Glue lines are great .
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Cleaned glue boogers off one side and ran her thru thickness sander down to 1 3/8” wide at fades then checked tip and riser alignment. It was off 1/16” so moved the tips a little to correct. Need to check the board to see if it warped in heat box …
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What stack and taper did you use ???
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.050 Green glass, 4 bamboo lams with .001 taper from an order that wasn't taken by customer, and total stack .400 with 18" riser.
Prob not an accurate depiction of a Hill stye , but this was just a test. Now returning to the regularly scheduled program... :biglaugh:
Still shaping on the handle, but will get some pix when done...
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Oh yeah I did have these pix…
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Kenny, what is your width at fades?
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Went well even tho I wondered if the mule tape was close enough on the hose. Used 60 psi in hose . Glue lines are great .
To wrap the tape on do you air up the hose a bit to give it form, then run the tape and hit it with full pressure after?
Mark
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Mike, 1 3/8”
I didn’t air the hose , just wrapped the tape and then aired it...
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Little shaping, sanding and wetted with alcohol
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Nice kenny :archer2:
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I've never had an ASL or Hill Style bow so please don't judge on riser shape... :laughing: :laughing:
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Kenny how many pounds and how long. I might try to do this.
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Now you’re coming around to real longbows, Kenny :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
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James, it will end up about 37-38 lbs at 28" and 68" ntn
John, I'd like to shoot one more but the grip and I just don't mesh well. If I put a grip I like on one , I'd be tarred and feathered... :laughing:
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Is it a arm shaker?
If ya got any that mule tape left you can send to Mrs. Roy she can tie him up if in he misbehave :laughing: :laughing:
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Mike, I have plenty but when Chris say jump, Roy say "how high " on the way up... :laughing: :laughing:
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kenny its already tarred and feathered keep going with your grip shape :clapper:
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kenny its already tarred and feathered keep going with your grip shape :clapper:
Does it need to be skinnier?
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James, it will end up about 37-38 lbs at 28" and 68" ntn
John, I'd like to shoot one more but the grip and I just don't mesh well. If I put a grip I like on one , I'd be tarred and feathered... :laughing:
You’re already tarred and feathered with limb width. Need to lose 1/4” or more. So you might as well dish he heck out of it. :biglaugh:
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The main idea was to see if you could make a simple form and use the mule tape to glue it up.
I may convert my other forms to pegs and use the mule tape. Much lighter to move to heat box. :) :)
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Why not C-clamps? They work really well and you can "Feel" the pressure exrted during glue up
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Why not C-clamps? They work really well and you can "Feel" the pressure exrted during glue up
c clamps will lose pressure as the epoxy cures. You don't get that with the hose and mule tape.
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I like the air hose because it exerts the same pressure full length where I may have varying squeeze in places.
And if you don't go over the clamps several times, as the glue squeezes out, they may become loose.
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Finally had time to finish her , tornado cleanup and repair winding down …
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Didn’t like the first clear glass tip overlay layer , should have gone black or green.
Now to figure out what to do with her, she just ain’t my style … :biglaugh:
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I think you look real nice at full draw with her.
Maybe give it a chance for a bit. That style of bow may grow on ya.
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Ya don't have a style :o
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Ya don't have a style :o
And here I thought you Southern fellars were gentlemen..
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:biglaugh:
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Simple bow?
Dat shooter looks a little simple too:)
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These guys have no respect, Kenny. :dunno:
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I know Pat, they just jealous of my exquisite form... :laughing:
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:thumbsup:
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Where's them sexy jammies ya had?
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I thought I sent them to you, remember? :biglaugh:
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James, it will end up about 37-38 lbs at 28" and 68" ntn
John, I'd like to shoot one more but the grip and I just don't mesh well. If I put a grip I like on one , I'd be tarred and feathered... :laughing:
Bring on the tar and feathers bro…. :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
Not only does it have a custom grip, it has a built in over draw for high performance with uni carbon belly and back… this one was hot!
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Man, that's almost a hanging offense Kirk!! :laughing: :laughing:
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I took a couple that were similarly shaped to the Long Bow Safari years ago and definitely got the hairy eye ball from the traditionalist crowd. I was a vender at that event, and they asked me to put about half the bows I had on display back in my trailer because they didn’t consider them to be long bows….
Of course being the fine upstanding guy I am, I told them to go pound sand…. But I did hang the recurves up inside the trailer for those that we’re interested as a compromise…. I ended up selling a couple bows at that event, and took a couple custom orders too. But I wouldn’t cater to that crowd again. Kirk
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Great looking bow Kenny 👍🏼🏹😃