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Title: A simple easy bow (finally done)
Post by: kennym on May 28, 2023, 04:56:53 PM
I’ve had quite a few folks asking about ASL or Hill style bows so I thought I’d throw one together cheap to see …

A 2x4 cut to 72” , straightest one I had out back …

Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 28, 2023, 04:57:42 PM
I ripped a little off one edge for a square corner on it.
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 28, 2023, 05:00:24 PM
Oh I started this operation three weeks ago just before the tornado . Been so busy helping neighbors that I just got back to it …

Here’s a new trick for me, mule tape on air hose…

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Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 28, 2023, 06:18:12 PM
I cut notches in the bottom of form board with a router to keep mule tape from slipping . I will say it was a pain in the arse to wrap the tape around the entire form , if I do another I will use a 2x6 and put the pegs in it to wrap tape on…

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Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: Mad Max on May 28, 2023, 06:27:35 PM
More to come???????? :bigsmyl:
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Post by: mmattockx on May 28, 2023, 07:52:28 PM
I'm not that interested in the bow itself, but I am watching the mule tape/air hose thing for tips and ideas. This seems like a great kit idea to sell for beginners who want a fast, pretty easy build to get started.


Mark
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Post by: OldRawhide42 on May 28, 2023, 09:33:19 PM
This is going to be fun to watch .
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Post by: Mad Max on May 28, 2023, 09:34:37 PM
This is plenty for 1 bow for sure

https://www.amazon.com/2500-tensile-Polyester-Pull-Webbing/dp/B07X8DKY96/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=mule+tape&qid=1685324003&sr=8-7
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: Longcruise on May 29, 2023, 08:10:11 AM
I use paracord on mine.  About $3.00 worth.

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Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 29, 2023, 10:44:47 AM
Here I put a scrap reverse (.002) taper on form with just a dot of CA on each end and clamped to keep flat on form.

The riser is straight on back and there is taper (.002) lams under riser on form.

This makes better glue lines because the riser doesn’t rock on the tapers under it . It does build in 1/16 ish string follow I found.

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Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 29, 2023, 11:38:24 AM
About ready, put side washers on and drilled where middle of ramps will be about an inch down on form for ziptys.  Once you get glue on all lams and glass and belly lams and glass laid on riser you can zipty the belly lams down in middle of ramps and alternate tightening to ease the riser to center of form if it’s moved a little.

About ready to go…



Guess I put washers on after this pic  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 29, 2023, 11:40:31 AM
As you can see, that 2x4 isn't anything special except straight both ways.
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Post by: kennym on May 29, 2023, 11:59:48 AM
This is a little stop about 3/4” wide I put on riser with a dot of CA on each end for the belly lams and glass to butt up to, it will grind off when you shape the riser.

  If the lams and glass slide up the belly ramp and past the corner at top of ramp , it will leverage the lams up in middle of belly ramp and leave a hideous glue joint . Don’t even ask how I know this. :laughing:

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Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 29, 2023, 01:16:40 PM


The black tape holds the metal pressure strip down at washers so it doesn’t get on top of a washer and not press there.
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 29, 2023, 01:20:01 PM
I put a washer about 3” back from end of riser and one at mid limb on both sides of form . I drill them off center so the swing up to desired height . Be sure to check that aren’t too high , you want em just above stack of lams .
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 29, 2023, 04:35:14 PM
Went well even tho I wondered if the mule tape was close enough on the hose. Used 60 psi in hose . Glue lines are great .

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Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 29, 2023, 05:06:12 PM
Cleaned glue boogers off one side and ran her thru thickness sander down to 1 3/8” wide at fades then checked tip and riser alignment. It was off 1/16” so moved the tips a little to correct. Need to check the board to see if it warped in heat box …



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Post by: OldRawhide42 on May 29, 2023, 05:19:04 PM
What stack and taper did you use ???
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 29, 2023, 05:26:16 PM
.050 Green glass, 4 bamboo lams with .001 taper from an order that wasn't taken by customer, and total stack .400 with 18" riser.

Prob not an accurate depiction of a Hill stye , but this was just a test.  Now returning to the regularly scheduled program...   :biglaugh:


Still shaping on the handle, but will get some pix when done...
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 29, 2023, 05:30:41 PM
Oh yeah I did have these pix…

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Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: Longcruise on May 30, 2023, 10:05:30 AM
Kenny, what is your width at fades?
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Post by: mmattockx on May 30, 2023, 11:07:32 AM
Went well even tho I wondered if the mule tape was close enough on the hose. Used 60 psi in hose . Glue lines are great .

To wrap the tape on do you air up the hose a bit to give it form, then run the tape and hit it with full pressure after?


Mark
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 30, 2023, 01:39:27 PM
Mike, 1 3/8”

I didn’t air the hose , just wrapped the tape and then aired it...
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 30, 2023, 01:44:26 PM
Little shaping, sanding and wetted with alcohol


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Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: Mad Max on May 30, 2023, 04:05:22 PM
Nice kenny :archer2:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 30, 2023, 04:09:49 PM
I've never had an ASL or Hill Style bow so please don't judge on riser shape... :laughing: :laughing:
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Post by: OldRawhide42 on May 30, 2023, 08:25:56 PM
Kenny how many pounds and how long. I might try to do this.
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Post by: jsweka on May 30, 2023, 08:33:58 PM
Now you’re coming around to real longbows, Kenny  :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 30, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
James, it will end up about 37-38 lbs at 28" and 68" ntn

John, I'd like to shoot one more but the grip and I just don't mesh well.  If I put a grip I like on one , I'd be tarred and feathered... :laughing:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 30, 2023, 10:28:45 PM
Is it a arm shaker?
 If ya got any that mule tape left you can send to Mrs. Roy she can tie him up if in he misbehave  :laughing: :laughing:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 31, 2023, 08:04:21 AM
Mike, I have plenty but when Chris say jump, Roy say "how high " on the way up... :laughing: :laughing:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: Stagmitis on May 31, 2023, 08:42:59 AM
kenny its already tarred and feathered keep going with your grip shape  :clapper:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 31, 2023, 09:10:01 AM
kenny its already tarred and feathered keep going with your grip shape  :clapper:

Does it need to be skinnier?
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: jsweka on May 31, 2023, 08:29:54 PM
James, it will end up about 37-38 lbs at 28" and 68" ntn

John, I'd like to shoot one more but the grip and I just don't mesh well.  If I put a grip I like on one , I'd be tarred and feathered... :laughing:

You’re already tarred and feathered with limb width.  Need to lose 1/4” or more.  So you might as well dish he heck out of it.  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on May 31, 2023, 09:19:30 PM
The main idea was to see if you could make a simple form and use the mule tape to glue it up.

I may convert my other forms to pegs and use the mule tape.  Much lighter to move to heat box. :) :)
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: Stagmitis on June 01, 2023, 10:42:04 AM
Why not C-clamps? They work really well and you can "Feel" the pressure exrted during glue up
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: rainman on June 01, 2023, 11:00:05 AM
Why not C-clamps? They work really well and you can "Feel" the pressure exrted during glue up
  c clamps will lose pressure as the epoxy cures.  You don't get that with the hose and mule tape.
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on June 01, 2023, 11:15:24 AM
I like the air hose because it exerts the same pressure full length where I may have varying squeeze in places.

And if you don't go over the clamps several times, as the glue squeezes out, they may become loose.
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on July 02, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Finally had time to finish her , tornado cleanup and repair winding down …

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Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: kennym on July 02, 2023, 01:45:37 PM
Didn’t like the first clear glass tip overlay layer , should have gone black or green.

Now to figure out what to do with her, she just ain’t my style … :biglaugh:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: jsweka on July 02, 2023, 04:51:34 PM
I think you look real nice at full draw with her.
Maybe give it a chance for a bit. That style of bow may grow on ya.
Title: Re: A simple easy bow (finally done)
Post by: Mad Max on July 02, 2023, 05:18:21 PM
Ya don't have a style :o
Title: Re: A simple easy bow (finally done)
Post by: kennym on July 02, 2023, 07:41:56 PM
Ya don't have a style :o

And here I thought you Southern fellars were gentlemen..

Title: Re: A simple easy bow (finally done)
Post by: Mad Max on July 02, 2023, 08:26:13 PM
 :biglaugh:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow (finally done)
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 03, 2023, 10:23:41 AM
Simple bow?

Dat shooter looks a little simple too:)

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Title: Re: A simple easy bow (finally done)
Post by: Pat B on July 03, 2023, 11:51:54 AM
These guys have no respect, Kenny. :dunno:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow (finally done)
Post by: kennym on July 03, 2023, 02:40:08 PM
I know Pat, they just jealous of my exquisite form...  :laughing:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow (finally done)
Post by: Pat B on July 03, 2023, 03:52:43 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow (finally done)
Post by: Roy from Pa on July 03, 2023, 04:14:05 PM
Where's them sexy jammies ya had?
Title: Re: A simple easy bow (finally done)
Post by: kennym on July 03, 2023, 04:20:01 PM
I thought I sent them to you, remember?  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow
Post by: Kirkll on July 05, 2023, 09:13:44 PM
James, it will end up about 37-38 lbs at 28" and 68" ntn

John, I'd like to shoot one more but the grip and I just don't mesh well.  If I put a grip I like on one , I'd be tarred and feathered... :laughing:

Bring on the tar and feathers bro…. :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Not only does it have a custom grip, it has a built in over draw for high performance with uni carbon belly and back… this one was hot!

Title: Re: A simple easy bow (finally done)
Post by: kennym on July 05, 2023, 09:46:25 PM
Man, that's almost a hanging offense Kirk!!   :laughing: :laughing:
Title: Re: A simple easy bow (finally done)
Post by: Kirkll on July 06, 2023, 06:54:34 PM
I took a couple that were similarly shaped to the Long Bow Safari years ago and definitely got the hairy eye ball from the traditionalist crowd. I was a vender at that event, and they asked me to put about half the bows I had on display back in my trailer because they didn’t consider them to be long bows….

Of course being the fine upstanding guy I  am, I told them to go pound sand…. But I did hang the recurves up inside the trailer for those that we’re interested as a compromise…. I ended up selling a couple bows at that event, and took a couple custom orders too. But I wouldn’t cater to that crowd again.   Kirk
Title: Re: A simple easy bow (finally done)
Post by: Jeff Freeman on August 06, 2023, 01:48:22 PM
Great looking bow Kenny 👍🏼🏹😃