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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Roger Norris on April 18, 2023, 08:39:46 AM
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Good Morning TradGang....I am sitting here contemplating my arrows for this fall, and I thought I might share an idea.
I decided a few weeks ago that I would fletch a set of arrows in memory of my friend Fred Asbell. One of my greatest friendships in life was that with Fred and Teresa. (Bizarrely, Teresa is calling me as I type this, I will call her back in a minute).
I have always admired Fred's arrows, he was pretty consistent with a long red dip and red feathers. It was Fred that got me using all one color in the fletching, he thought that an odd color cock feather sometimes gave him a false sense of poor flight. I agree.
I thought I was going to duplicate the arrows in picture #1, but then Tim Cosgrove (former owner of Kustom King) sent me a picture of an older arrow of Fred's. Tim built A LOT of arrows for Fred, and the picture he sent was a sample that Fred sent him back in the late 80's. I like 5.5 inch high back parabolics, so I may blend these 2 designs into one representative arrow.
Ray Lyon correctly suggested cedar arrows....but I will be building these on wood grain carbon shafts. It is true that Fred always shot wood arrows. We discussed carbons, having a friendly debate about them several years ago in his office. I made some pretty good points, and in the end we sipped a scotch and laughed about it... :biglaugh:
I am building these for my Black Widow (with Asbell Grip) that I am waiting on a new set of limbs for...so right now I am gathering materials without committing to a shaft and point weight. I also haven't decided on a broadhead yet....I usually use Ace, but may deviate this year if it makes sense in this build. I will update this thread as I go along, I would love to hear from any others who might do the same thing. Anyway....remembering my friend....as he used to say "shoot em in the face!"
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Wow! Never seen a fletching jig with a 90 degree twist helical like that before. Definitely get some spin out of those…. What jig was used for those?
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I think that was an ancient Bitzenburg.....my BPE puts a helical on pretty close to that.
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Fred was a fantastic human. One of my favorite hunts was when Roger and Fred were in the Shrewhaven camp. Fred was an incredible conversationalist. Great tribute Roger.
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Roger, I only met Fred 1 time, believe it was ETAR 2015 and it was pretty much a simple "Nice to meet you Sir ......." and he had a bunch of other folks around him wanting to talk so I didn't take up much of his time ........
I will never forget his arrows ....... they were laying there on the table with some of his other tackle, beautiful wood arrows, and what jumped out to me was 23/64! I mean to me they looked like broomsticks because of the width, me having shot only 11/32 or carbon. I've never known anybody to shoot 23/64 personally. But that mental picture stays with me ..........
Do you know, did he shoot them fat woodies all the time? Once in a while? Thinking maybe a G.Fred arrow ought to be 23/64 if so?
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We never discussed 23/64 vs other diameters, and I really don't know. Maybe Tim Cosgrove or an arrow maker who recently built for Fred will chime in.
For my build, I won't be duplicating them exactly. I'm really doing it just for me...a personal tribute.
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Thanks for sharing this Roger. Fred was such a huge influence on the trad bowhunter community. Can't wait to see pics of the arrow build. :archer2:
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Thanks for sharing this Roger. Fred was such a huge influence on the trad bowhunter community. Can't wait to see pics of the arrow build. :archer2:
Same here, well stated, me too :campfire:
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I only met Fred once and, as was mentioned above, there was always a crowd around him. But when I was an 18 yr old kid with no archers in the family to learn from, I sent him a number of letters with a series of beginner questions. He always responded and was instrumental in helping me get started shooting and hunting. He used to shoot what would now be considered heavy bows (65-75#), I believe. I could often only find cedar in 23/64 at those spines.
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Nice tribute, Fred was one of the greats.
Back in the 80's Fred told me he used a JoJan multi fletcher to get that much helical, he said he had to alter the jig to get that much helical.
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Nice tribute, Fred was one of the greats.
Back in the 80's Fred told me he used a JoJan multi fletcher to get that much helical, he said he had to alter the jig to get that much helical.
Thank you!
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Very nice tribute Roger, I'm sure what ever you come up with will look great!!! I was amazed at the amount of helical on the arrow in the picture, looks like the twist in a drill bit. (gives a whole new meaning to drilled it!) :laughing: Missed their both in Kalamazoo this year, it's one of my favorite ones to stop and browse and chat at.
Jason
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Nice tribute, Fred was one of the greats.
Back in the 80's Fred told me he used a JoJan multi fletcher to get that much helical, he said he had to alter the jig to get that much helical.
I still have and use a JoJan. The 2nd pic brings a whole new meaning to helical twist. I wonder how Fred modified the jig to get that much helical, it's pretty extreme.
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G. Fred’s books and articles were my guide into traditional shooting and bowhunting. Both my black widows have the asbell grip which I love. Bringing out the gfa quiver this year in Fred’s memory. What an influence he has been!
J
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I own every single book Fred wrote and he only mentioned 5.5" parabolic feathers. The picture with Fred in the wool is of 5.5" Shields. Any insite?
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In the 80's and into the 90's I was lucky to spend time with Fred at various PBS and P&Y events and also Colorado Bowhunters events.
When I started shooting wood I ordered them from Kustom King, and as I wanted to make my own
Fred gave me a lot of advice.
I just grabbed my Instinctive Shooting book and chapter 10 tells how to make arrows and under fletching he states that The Multi Fletcher can be adjusted to put more helical than any other.
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G. Fred, Brian Cole, Ron LaClair, myself and Roger Norris at Shrewhaven Lodge for a St. Jude’s benefit hunt that Roger won with high bid. Fred and Ron were the ‘hosts’ for the hunt. Myself and camp mate Greg Nicolaou split the week up doing cooking duties and of course I took the opportunity to bird hunt for a few hours each day between cooking duties. Roger got to know Fred at this hunt as did I, as it was the first time I had spent any ‘significant’ time with Fred. We of course enjoyed Roger so much we made him a fixture in camp. Fred never made it back to Shrewhaven but I enjoyed a few campfires and associated cookouts with him after at some shoots. Roger was fortunate enough to travel through Fred’s home area frequently and spent a great deal of time with Fred and I’m envious because Fred was one of those people who you wanted to be one on one with.
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Roger still wears his Asbell wool and carries his trusty GFA quiver in the woods at Shrewhaven
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I own every single book Fred wrote and he only mentioned 5.5" parabolic feathers. The picture with Fred in the wool is of 5.5" Shields. Any insite?
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I own every single book Fred wrote and he only mentioned 5.5" parabolic feathers. The picture with Fred in the wool is of 5.5" Shields. Any insite?
Fred had probably 1000 arrows in his house...He had every fletching ever conceived of. He did like 5.5 inch high back parabolic the best. But he had dozens of shield cut. We disagreed on banana cut. I love them, he thought they were loud.
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I was fortunate enough to hunt with Mr. Asbel a couple of times on Alabama deer hunts. He was a great guy and very knowledgeable about aspects of shooting bows. I hated to hear of his passing.
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I own every single book Fred wrote and he only mentioned 5.5" parabolic feathers. The picture with Fred in the wool is of 5.5" Shields. Any insite?
Fred had probably 1000 arrows in his house...He had every fletching ever conceived of. He did like 5.5 inch high back parabolic the best. But he had dozens of shield cut. We disagreed on banana cut. I love them, he thought they were loud.
Funny about the banana fletch ......... I feel the same way about them being loud. High back bananas anyhow. I tried to make them work at one point so badly because I just think they look so cool :biglaugh:, but I couldn't ignore the extra noise so I abandon ship on that venture. Lots of folks love them too though and that's cool. I like seeing them on peoples arrows :thumbsup:
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I own every single book Fred wrote and he only mentioned 5.5" parabolic feathers. The picture with Fred in the wool is of 5.5" Shields. Any insite?
Fred had probably 1000 arrows in his house...He had every fletching ever conceived of. He did like 5.5 inch high back parabolic the best. But he had dozens of shield cut. We disagreed on banana cut. I love them, he thought they were loud.
Funny about the banana fletch ......... I feel the same way about them being loud. High back bananas anyhow. I tried to make them work at one point so badly because I just think they look so cool :biglaugh:, but I couldn't ignore the extra noise so I abandon ship on that venture. Lots of folks love them too though and that's cool. I like seeing them on peoples arrows :thumbsup:
Yeah I have killed a pretty good pile of deer with banana fletch, even sometimes 4 fletch bananas. Fred called them my "flu-flu" arrows. If they were loud the deer didn't know it :biglaugh:
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Roger, do you know what year that pic of Fred is from? Reason I ask is I built him a dozen arrows that mirror those, as we hunted together in Quebec and stayed in our hotel room on the way back. His was double booked and he had no where to stay. We let him stay in our room, as I slept on the floor. He insisted on paying for the room and dinner, I had to do something. Made the arrows to his specs and sent them to him. He wrote my a really nice letter back thanking me, and we talked about the trip often. One of my fondest memories.
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I can’t help but to add a comment about Theresa. I mentioned that a few of my interactions with Fred were while camping at shoots. Theresa was a part of those interactions and first, you knew Fred and Theresa belonged together. You just saw the love and respect in their interactions. Second, Theresa’s Dutch oven skills are second to none. Back in the 90’s at a shoot in Grayling, MI she produced a peach or pineapple upside down cake one evening after dinner that was world class. My heart feels for Theresa’s loss.
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Awesome looking arrows and a great way to honor Mr. Fred.
I always enjoyed talking to Fred and Teresa at the bow shoots. They have contributed so much to traditional archery.
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I have the fletching and shafts on order....still contemplating what paint to use.
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Met and talked with Fred at PBS San Antonio. Mentioned to him that I shot a "straight limbed" recurve (MOAB). He chuckled and said "you don't know how often a phrase will come back to you after you say it." He had written that in one of his Instinctive shooting books. I have them all. He also was at the dinner table with the Wensel brothers and me, with others. Fine man!!!
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Good morning Roger,
I remember those arrows of Fred’s from a book or magazine article somewhere. I always liked the look.
Gary
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NICE! Looks like 1/4 " Helical. Haven't seen that in a while.
Can't wait to see them. :campfire: