Trad Gang

The new CE aramid KV shafts are like 180 dollars for a dozen shafts  :eek:  ? saw them in the new Cabelas book.

I like my arrows but that is tough to take, and I am not one to mind spending a little extra.

So anybody tried them yet  :D  ?? LOL

J

Do they come with an Arrowmaster for that price!   :bigsmyl:

Put some "Silver Flames" on them and you'll be around $35.00 per arrow.

Wha'da deal!  

Compared to todays gas prices...those shafts are sure a bargin!

for that price they should come with silver flames!

Seriously, I might stress if I lost one of them - I know I would spend alot more time searching for it. Most definately get them tracer nocks for em!

J

QuoteOriginally posted by J-dog:
for that price they should come with silver flames!

Seriously, I might stress if I lost one of them - I know I would spend alot more time searching for it. Most definately get them tracer nocks for em!

J

:biglaugh:   That just adds another $10 bucks to each arrow, even more stress!!!!!!   :p

They were talking on one of the other web site about $700 a doz.
  i thank it has a built in Radar in  each shaft can't miss.
  in F/S catalog easton has some that is $280 a doz.
  Man i thought $35.00 for cedar was high, guess i am out of touch with the times

Kevlar/Carbon composite, makes for one tough arrow.      
Anyone ever price up Eastons ACE's?

I liked cabelas better when the archery catalog wasn't pushing scopes.  :rolleyes:

Personally, I think its rediculous. If we continue to buy such outlandish priced equipment things will continue to get higher. When the manufacturers see that we are willing to spend that kind of money on arrow shafts prices will continue to soar. The same thing is happening to the compound bows. So many guys are complaining about bare bows costing upwards of $700-$800, but when the bow makers are selling them like crazy they are not going to get cheaper. Same with arrows. With bows and arrows, we choose to buy. With gas, we have to buy.

And that is why I build my own from aluminum shafts. Nothing like a good ol' Gamegetter, even if they are black now and only come in three sizes.

How many tapered cedars could I build for that price?  I could buy forty gallons of us gas for that price, provided our US oil companies can hold the price to just $5.00 per gallon.

I'll stay with Cedar.

I realize Kevlar is tough but I have yet to see armored plated whitetails! I killed many with 45 dollar dozen aluminums.

But hey free market is all it is, some will buy them, the gurus on TV will promote them cause they get them for free. If you choose to use them great, It just caught me off guard at that price. I thought I was really sucking it up going to pay 100. a dozen for axis or 115 for FLMJ axis.

I think I will hold off.

Later

J

I swear, it seems like the big archery & archery accessory companies are trying to price the average joe out of the sport/lifestyle.

I still think the best carbon Trad arrow is the discontinued CX Terminator Hunter.  They were reasonably priced, had good GPI weight, and were the toughest arrow I ever shot, bar none.  I suppose that's why CX dropped them, to sell more of the expensive stuff.

I buy them where/when I find them and have a pretty good stash.  I recently scored 2 dozen NIB for $112.50!!!

Another shaft/arrow thats good and still pretty reasonable are Cabelas Stalker Extremes (Beman ICS Hunters with a Cabelas logo).  GPI is a bit light at 8.4 for the 5570 (400) shaft, but a guy can work with that...

The more profit Cabela makes the more land it can purchase for hunting.  Of course, it will cost you a bit to hunt on that as well.  When did this recurve and longbow thing get so complicated?  I have a canoe made out of kevlar and carbon, it is not a vast improvement over cedar and canvas, just lighter to carry.

Carbon Express Rebels serve my purpose just fine.  Not the new Rebel "Light", just plain "Rebel".  They shoot so much better than I can. They are over 10 gpi in the 4560 and over 11 gpi in the 6075.  I can get them for around $45 a dozen.  I think they have a new Rebel "Hunter" that is made with the weight forward technology also.  

The only reason I could fathom wanting Kevlar would be on heavy/dangerous game and that's just a thought not a decision.  Everything's cost is going up, some of it is neccessity but a whole lot is market driven hype.  Remember Pavlov's dogs.

The same guys who buy those buy the $400 drivers to play scratch golf.

QuoteOriginally posted by Talondale:
The same guys who buy those buy the $400 drivers to play scratch golf.

and still can't.......  :biglaugh:

I have one word....CEDARS!~!!!!!  :goldtooth:

I think the barrel shaped alum shafts by easton X10's ???? are over 300 doz last I checked I'd hafta look

I bought a bunch. Same reason I shoot silverflames. They are good quality. I have broken several so far (sticking them into trees so hard I couldnt get them out) they have several cross wraps, so they break straight across intead of down the length...so I shouldnt be able to explode one on release and send lengths of carbon into my bow arm. THat is important when you are crappy of a shot as I am, or perhaps it's because I am willing to "try" shots that normal guys wouldnt dream of taking, just to see if I can make it. translation, I am hard on arrows. I will let you guys know if they stand up any better?

as for the cost, I seem to be able to justify things in differant ways than you guys...and what I mean by that is I dont have to justify what I spend my money on to anyone. LOL.

That's why they call it expendable income 8^).  I'll stick with my cedars and lowly aluminum 8^).

I don't know when stick bows cost four figures and more, $200 for a dozen arrows isn't out of line...
Listen to me.. still shooting AO xx75's from 20 years ago, and $3.00 Bear heads...

I think you guy's need to wake up. every commodity in this country is tied to the price of oil!! When oil prices go up so will the price of everything else. Think about it, when the manufacture ships to the wholesaler, then they ship to the retailer, then to the consumer YOU PAY ALL OF THOSE FREIGHT COST its add to the price of the product. How many shipping costs are involved from the products used in the manufacture until the consumer finally receives it, I would bet 8-10 times. plus many products are made in part or all from oil, a double whammy.
I just replaced a gallon of Epoxy that last time cost me $63.00 this time $92.00 that's about 48% increase I have to pass that on to my customers. Thats just one item I use.
Bob

aromakr....I understand the workings of the economic process; I was in retail for 35 years and co-managed a 75 million dollar Supercenter in the later years of my career.

The prices we're currently discussing are mostly elevated because of the demand that's out there, and what the market seems to be able to bear. Some custom bows have went sky-high because people still equate dollars to quality. Sometimes that works...sometimes it doesn't.

The increasing cost of petroleum and its subsequent impact on those products are relatively new catalysts.  They will drive costs and retails higher, of course, but they are not what has created the prices that we have seen.

The good thing, of course, is there are plenty of choices for those of us teetering on the edge of poverty 8^).  One doesn't have to spend a lot of money for bows or arrows...it's still a choice.  I have a perfectly beautiful, wonderfully shooting recurve that I have about $350.00 invested in.  It's beautiful...shoots great, and is the pinnacle of design...new blended with old.

That being said, I also have an old longbow I made with my own three hands in 1989.  It's beautiful (in my eyes), shoots great, and was the pinnacle of design...circa 1950 8^).  With gas going up and common sense going the reverse direction, I'll probably just keep dealing in the used  and home made market.  In the end, the intended target doesn't know what price the bow from whence the arrows are emanating.

George, been meaning to tell you that I love your signature.  I'm a McManus fan from way, way, back.

Back to the arrows, yesterday I picked up another dozen of the Cabelas Carbon Extreme 5570's.  I'll admit they are for my compounds,
but here's the weight data.  

Cut to 28" with 3-4" vanes, 7" wrap, standard insert, and 100 grain points, they come out to 410 grains. Add the weight for another 1.5" of shaft, 50 grain insert, and 125 grain rather than 100 grain point, and it's right at 498 grains.  IMO that's about perfect for a carbon arrow out of a 50#-55# recurve, and they fly great.

I like having one type of arrow on hand that can be used in several bows.  Think I'll toot up another dozen raw shafts (about $50) before the price goes up...

Wood is GOOD!!!!!   :thumbsup:

George:
I sum what a agree with you, however oil prices have been increasing since the early 70's, and have been a major player all those years. I too spent 35 years in sales.
Back to the price of bows, yes you can buy a reasonable bow, one with out all the frills,that will certainly do the job. Those with the frills are not just bows, they are works of art and I can't expect a bowyer that spends double or even triple the time creating a work of art to give his time away any more than I would expect the minimum wage to be a dollar.
It has been said that traditional archers are thrifty!! that just might be an understatement. Don't get me wrong I don't believe that just because its expensive its the best, not at all there are some very reasonable bows on the market that are just as efficient as the pricer ones. Only the purchaser can make that decision of which one will serve him/her the best.
Bob