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Title: Wood Dye
Post by: Buggs on October 26, 2022, 09:53:45 AM
Anybody know a good source for aniline dyes that come in natural wood tone colors?
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 26, 2022, 10:14:16 AM
https://woodworker.com/water-soluble-lt-gold-oak-aniline-dye-mssu-843-924.asp

They carry water and alcohol soluble.
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Buggs on October 26, 2022, 11:18:25 AM
Holy cow! Thats a lot of colors :thumbsup:

I had some German dyes that I bought, probably 20yrs ago. Finally used them up. Now I have to figure out how the colors compare, co. to co.
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 26, 2022, 12:20:04 PM
I mix it with denatured alcohol and can get any shade of darkness I want and it dries super fast and can be touched up easily.. Plus the more coats you apply the darker it gets and I can also hit it with steel wool to lighten it up.
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Kirkll on October 26, 2022, 02:06:45 PM
So what are you guys using the wood dye for? I always had a rough time using a water base stain getting any consistency to it... Does this dye work differently?

I hate using stain on risers. i always seem to sand through the stain while clear coating and have to touch it up with mixed success. I've got to the point where i just wont stain risers any more.    Kirk
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Buggs on October 26, 2022, 02:18:28 PM
Stains can get blotchy real easy. Dye's are very consistent in color saturation. Aniline's are the oldest synthetic and most common. It's the same stuff used for high high end tanning. It  can really change the look of wood. I used to use it on White Pine window sash to match the Alder trim, which was popular for a while back in the 90's
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 26, 2022, 02:24:30 PM
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So what are you guys using the wood dye for? I always had a rough time using a water base stain getting any consistency to it... Does this dye work differently?

Kirk I use the alcohol soluble dye and the alcohol dries in a few seconds when you apply it and it does not raise the wood grain at all.







Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Buggs on October 26, 2022, 03:28:22 PM
Thats a nice looking bow Roy :thumbsup:
That dye job is very natural looking. That Bamboo rind is hard to color. I have only had luck spraying toner on Bamboo. What color did you use?
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 26, 2022, 03:45:44 PM
Alcohol Soluble Silver Gray Aniline Dye (1 Oz) | 847-179

I scrape the rind off the boo before staining. The rind is very waxy and stain will not penetrate it.

This one is old and number must have changed.



I have several colors.











Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Buemaker on October 26, 2022, 06:04:01 PM
Is anybody using this to color limb lams under clear glass?
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: 4 point on October 26, 2022, 09:18:54 PM
I've been wanting to build myself a bow using grey action wood in the riser with grey stained birdseye maple or red elm limbs. Hopefully this winter.
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Mad Max on October 26, 2022, 10:56:14 PM
Yep, water base but the same brand Roy used.

(https://i.imgur.com/2AoCcXU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TMqHR7f.jpg)
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 27, 2022, 05:19:21 AM
Nice Mark..
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Buemaker on October 27, 2022, 06:57:16 AM
Looks very good Max. Does the wood grain raise much when using this water based color and will the thin lams buckle by the moisture add. Do you sand it after? I wonder if using the alcohol based one would interfere with epoxy glue
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 27, 2022, 07:16:53 AM
I am wondering that too, Bue.

I would use the alcohol based dye, Mark.

But they look great, what wood are they?.
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Mad Max on October 27, 2022, 07:44:41 AM
Water base works better and goes deeper into the lam (Troy Breading told me that, he dyed lots of lams). For bamboo like Roy I would use alcohol based.

I think the wood is curly Myrtle but its way to heavy. :dunno:
I did not worry about grain raising.
I use paper towels in between the lams to dry them
pull off 36", fold it long ways 2 times ( do this for all 4 lams), stack all 4 of them up with the towels in between with a weight (long piece of bow wood) on top so they don't warp.
I have a dehumidifier in my bow shop.
I weight my lams before and after so they would be dry, only took a couple days in my bow shop or you can glue them to your core lams before the dye is put on.
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Buggs on October 27, 2022, 11:13:07 AM
Alcohol Soluble Silver Gray Aniline Dye (1 Oz) | 847-179

Thats crazy the way the Silver Grey gave a dark honey tone to the Bamboo

Max, any extra prep before glueing up the dyed lams?
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Mad Max on October 27, 2022, 12:04:38 PM
No buggs

Here is one I did years ago, I watched a fiddle back starburst video on youtube.
a lot of mixing the colors on the lam (rubbing the 2 colors together on the lam with a wet cloth ball with a rubber band ).
(https://i.imgur.com/U6sYZSi.jpg)
I got full penetration to the other side.
Curly Maple
(https://i.imgur.com/YrYKRen.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/0QyjbtL.jpg?2)

I had to mask off the core lams
(https://i.imgur.com/d1Tmd1j.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/YJiqCT9.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 27, 2022, 12:09:01 PM
Ok I give up, what's this?

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Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Buggs on October 27, 2022, 12:55:03 PM
I think its a rubber, like for French Polishing

That starburst is awesome :thumbsup: :notworthy:
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: onetone on October 27, 2022, 03:11:35 PM
Nice job Max! That really shows off the figure in the maple!
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Mad Max on October 27, 2022, 05:48:14 PM
If you read the whole post you should know  :knothead:

It's a ball of cotton rag wrapped with more rag with a rubber band around it. :tongue:
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: 4 point on October 27, 2022, 06:12:01 PM
That’s some fancy stick art max. It took me a second to figure out what it was.
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Mad Max on October 27, 2022, 07:36:15 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 28, 2022, 05:03:55 AM
I thought you took a self-e.
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Buggs on October 28, 2022, 09:32:21 AM
Could be a symbol for the Bowyer formerly known as Mad Max :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Kirkll on October 28, 2022, 12:00:38 PM
I played with an air brush years ago and came up with some interesting pieces. These were done with an air brush.

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https://photos.app.goo.gl/uNcnJ6VyLJRJPegz5

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zHeVETpxYcurEaox8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/3f3QEgQ4dhEcBYZ67

I did a set of limbs one time that were flames too that I cannot find the photos of. Those limbs I spent WAY too much time working on, then had a defect in one of the limbs. I had a click sound coming from one limb, and never figured out what it was…. I still have that bow hanging on the wall. It had an experimental riser material made from a high end plastic that was too flexible…. The whole project failed miserably….. lol.     Kirk
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Buggs on October 29, 2022, 10:13:35 AM
That air brush job looks good Kirk :thumbsup: Love that color!
What kind of paint did you use?
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Kirkll on October 29, 2022, 09:25:35 PM
That air brush job looks good Kirk :thumbsup: Love that color!
What kind of paint did you use?

I stayed with paints designed for air brush work.  These air brushes are fickle beaties when it comes to flow air mixture ratio. i went through a couple cheap ones before finding one that worked well and was easy to clean.  They have some some very cool translucent colors that still show the grain of the wood. This green bow started out yellow, then i did a translucent green over it.   Kirk

https://www.amazon.com/Wicked-Colors-2-Ounce-Airbrush-Pearl/dp/B007B7TX26/ref=pd_lpo_1?pd_rd_w=lFDjX&content-id=amzn1.sym.116f529c-aa4d-4763-b2b6-4d614ec7dc00&pf_rd_p=116f529c-aa4d-4763-b2b6-4d614ec7dc00&pf_rd_r=2EWSMYS6R6ZMQ24CVFXW&pd_rd_wg=ToXkl&pd_rd_r=a7a5a591-bb22-4ac9-86de-d716ba492eee&pd_rd_i=B007B7TX26&th=1

Here is my first attempt at doing flames.....It's tough to do.  Kirk

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Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: onetone on October 29, 2022, 11:01:47 PM
Cool design … or should I say hot.  :bigsmyl: Could be autumn camo!
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Buggs on October 30, 2022, 09:14:38 AM
Damn Kirk, you could start a 20th career as an graphic artist :thumbsup:
Thats wild looking, very cool!
Title: Re: Wood Dye
Post by: Kirkll on October 30, 2022, 11:29:42 AM
Damn Kirk, you could start a 20th career as an graphic artist :thumbsup:
Thats wild looking, very cool!

It was a lot of fun playing with an air brush, but man you can dump some time into the learning process. In this day and age of instant information, and you tube, with a few specialty tools and some practice, you can eventually master most anything you set your sights on…. Well maybe not master them, but get the job done eventually…..

With that all said and done, the question is…. Would you do it again?  Art work is something that is hard to put a price on, and is very seldom reproduced in a cost effective manner. Great for Christmas presents, not so good for resale products.

Kirk