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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: motorhead7963 on May 29, 2022, 07:30:33 PM
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alright, I haven't posted in quite awhile, Been wanting to do a bear hunt for many yrs. life is good and I want to make it happen. I have checked out Stick Flingers and they look awesome BUT I will not get the jab to travel to Canada. Been thinking about New Mexico its much closer anyway. Anybody have any leads and experience there with DIY or Guide service?
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Stickflingers is soooo worth it.
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Stickflingers is awesome. I'm also fairly certain that the entry requirements into Canada will be much different in another year or two. You can get into Canada without being vaccinated. Right now there is a waiting period in isolation to do so. I expect that rule to be relaxed this time next year. If not, someone will buy your spot for what you have in it.
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Stickflingers is awesome. I'm also fairly certain that the entry requirements into Canada will be much different in another year or two. You can get into Canada without being vaccinated. Right now there is a waiting period in isolation to do so. I expect that rule to be relaxed this time next year. If not, someone will buy your spot for what you have in it.
Stickflingers seems to be the go to people. But: "A mans got to know his limitations" and the jab is it for me.
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Jab?
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Have you checked out Maine?
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The socialist lean of the Canadian Govt. is such that I'm just not sure I'm willing to support them by going there anymore. You could try getting drawn for MN. Some good bear country up north. :thumbsup:
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Are u a diy guy or do u want guided?
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Are u a diy guy or do u want guided?
really doesn't matter
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Socialism is a Political and Economic System in which property, goods, services and the distribution of such is controlled by the Government. I didn't know Canada was leaning there and it just might be a good time to put a lid on the political sniping.
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I just talked to my wife yesterday about me getting in touch with an outfitter for a bear hunt. Seriously thinking about contacting Stickflingers. I will have to be honest and admit what BAK said has been on my mind and I have been going back and forth thinking the same thing.
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The Canadians are good people. Visiting there is not an issue. Getting in and getting out was no problem. Not certain why anyone is worrying about their political system. Or why politics are being brought up on a traditional bowhunting site, when they are not related to the sport of bow hunting. The hunting is great and the work ethic of the guides at Stickflingers is beyond reproach. If you want top notch black bear hunting, I doubt you could find better hunting anywhere.
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I have to agree with James D. Penalizing the hard working outfitters and guides in Canada for the stance of the their government is like penalizing an individual in the U.S. for the position of our government at a given time. The guides and outfitters are good, solid people looking to make a living. As he mentioned, the guys at Stickflingers are great people and will work their butts off to make sure you have a great hunt. I have spent time with a number of Canadian outfitters and have found them to be good people .
D.P.
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The politics is involved because of their government forcing people to take the vaccine for covid. Including citizens of other nations who wish to travel there to hunt. It's a part of the discussion because the OP straight up said Canada was a no go because of this issue yet some members think it is okay to force their opinion on him about this.
If the OP doesn't want to get the vaccine it is his choice. I don't blame him and have chosen not to as well. It's not about penalizing the outfitters. It's about personal medical choices.
The outfitters aren't going under because a few of us won't take the vaccine (aka the jab).
He is looking for alternatives to Canada so if you want to participate positively on the thread how about taking that route. Outfitters or states he can go to and have a good hunt. You know, here in the USofA. :banghead:
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You do not have to be vaccinated to enter Canada. It is current policy to isolate for a period of time if you are not vaccinated when you enter Canada. I understand that is more time off than most people have. That policy is very unlikely to be in place by bear season of next year. Which at this point, Stickflingers is very likely already booked out for. By 2024, I am willing to bet that anyone from the states will be able to enter into Canada without even being asked about being vaccinated. I mentioned that in my first post. Good luck finding the quality of bear hunting that Stickflingers has in the lower 48 for 2023 or 2024 as a non resident of the states where you can hunt bears.
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Politics is unrelated to the sport of bowhunting? Please see the eleventh message board down from the top.
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Trust me, your not hurting the Liberals by not wanting to come and spend your money up here. Your hurting the outfitters, small businesses in the towns that are rural (where Bear hunts take place)
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Where do you people come up with this nonsense?
Politics is what decides your bow seasons, rather some slob toting a crossbow will be allowed to hunt bow season not to mention the taxes slapped on sporting goods which include bowhunting equipment.
The OP didn’t say anything bad about the Canadian outfitters he said he’d like to hunt there but refuses to be forced to take an experimental drug that ain’t working anyway. So yeah politics is actually a big part of this discussion as it is the deciding factor on where he’s going to book a hunt. And Canada’s entire health care is 100% socialist not to mention there socialist dictator. How bout we put a lid on the stupid comments and someone that has bear hunted where forced vaccines is not part of the hunt let him know.
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One more time. You can travel into Canada without a vaccine! Look it up. You have to quarantine for ten days if you are not vaccinated. All over the western world, vaccine requirements are being dropped. I will guarantee you that Canada will drop the requirement within the next twelve to eighteen months. I’m confident enough in this that we have reserved six spots in June of 2024, with two, maybe three people in our party not having taken the vaccine. I haven’t seen any comments yet in this thread, concerning politics, that has any relevance to bowhunting. Only people’s opinions of how the country to our north is being ran. Today, if you have the time and money to quarantine for ten days upon arrival to Canada, you do not need to be vaccinated. Those types of requirements are going away on a frequent basis in western countries. Canada will follow suit.
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One more time. You can travel into Canada without a vaccine! Look it up. You have to quarantine for ten days if you are not vaccinated. All over the western world, vaccine requirements are being dropped. I will guarantee you that Canada will drop the requirement within the next twelve to eighteen months. I’m confident enough in this that we have reserved six spots in June of 2024, with two, maybe three people in our party not having taken the vaccine. I haven’t seen any comments yet in this thread, concerning politics, that has any relevance to bowhunting. Only people’s opinions of how the country to our north is being ran. Today, if you have the time and money to quarantine for ten days upon arrival to Canada, you do not need to be vaccinated. Those types of requirements are going away on a frequent basis in western countries. Canada will follow suit.
Lol. So book a week to 10 day hunt than lock yourself down and add 10 days plus room and food to a hunt cost. I doubt many will care to do that especially for no reason other than Canada is still scared of a virus with a 99% survival rate IF you get it. Your guarantee that Canada will drop the nonsense is about as useful as the quarantine for 10 days suggestion
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I didn’t say most people would be down with that. I am merely pointing out that it can be done without a vaccine and that the entire western world is relaxing requirements on a daily basis. If you guys don’t want to give it a shot to book a hunt twelve to twenty-four months out. That’s fine. I’ll keep enjoying the fine hunting north of the border. You put a deposit down with Stickflingers, and decide you want to sell it a few months before the trip, you won’t have any problem selling it for what you have in it. There enough of us willing to go that the 2023 spots are all almost gone, if not gone already. What’s interesting on top of that, is that our guides told us that almost 100% of their clients are from the United States.
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If you are feeling lucky, there is a thread on here about the Compton Traditional Bowhunters rendezvous raffle. There is a guided spot and stalk black bear hunt on Kodiak Island. You hunt off of Homer Ocean Charters boat. If you don’t win you can always set up a hunt with them. No borders to cross…no isolation involved. Just go and hunt! Good luck on your quest!
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Baylee, I hate to muddy up the water with facts but if the "Socialist Dictator" you mention is Canada's Prime Minister, he was actually voted into his third term in a free and fair election last year and if you really believe Canada's Health Care System is "100% Socialist" you either don't know how their system works or you don't know the definition of socialism.
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If you are feeling lucky, there is a thread on here about the Compton Traditional Bowhunters rendezvous raffle. There is a guided spot and stalk black bear hunt on Kodiak Island. You hunt off of Homer Ocean Charters boat. If you don’t win you can always set up a hunt with them. No borders to cross…no isolation involved. Just go and hunt! Good luck on your quest!
Now that would be a fun hunt.
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That Homer Charters hunt is on my to do list!
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Baylee, I hate to muddy up the water with facts but if the "Socialist Dictator" you mention is Canada's Prime Minister, he was actually voted into his third term in a free and fair election last year and if you really believe Canada's Health Care System is "100% Socialist" you either don't know how their system works or you don't know the definition of socialism.
No one pays for health care but are taxed exorbitantly for the service rather they use it or not, dead beats pay nothing and have the same health care as someone that pays nearly 40% of their income to taxes. Yeah Jim that sounds like socialist medicine to me. And the fact that the current plug was voted in has nothing to do with the fact that he’s a socialist. Maybe they should call you Jim Wrong lol? Either way if you like it that you could always much move there
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Baylee, how does the sharing of opinions concerning Canada's medical and political systems have anything to do with bowhunting? How does insulting the person you're having a conversation with belong on Tradgang either? There's plenty of other forums to have arguments over politics. This is not supposed to be one of them. Yes, certain aspects of politics affect bowhunting. It is harder to get into Canada right now if you are not vaccinated. That will most likely settle down in time and it is a valid discussion to have. That discussion can be had without insults to each other and petty first grade levels of name calling.
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Baylee, every group insurance policy in this country whether they are provided by your employer, union, professional organization or however has the same "whether they use it or not" feature. Are all of these "Socialist"? And just out of common courtesy find out what a "Socialist" actually is. You might refrain from referring to the Prime Minister of a friendly, neighboring nation as being one.
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James while I agree on the way this thread has gone Canada's vaccine policy actually cost our group money. We were set up to return with an outfitter after a spring hunt was snowed out for half price. Had to be within two years. None of us were willing to get the vaccine and our deposits were forfeit. Not a lot of money but it hurt us and the outfit involved.
Anyway the OP got shafted on this thread just trying to find a good domestic outfitter for bear.
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GC, that really stinks on getting shafted. Both for your group and the outfitter. We bought our hunts to Stickflingers from guys that weren’t going for the same reason. Picked up all three of the hunts within our group for almost full price that was paid. I hope Steelhead finds a good hunt that fits him. In a long winded way I have been trying to encourage those who are looking down the road a couple of years not to give up on hunting in Canada. I really do believe that the system will be different in a couple of years. If it isn’t, we’re going to be in the same boat as your group was, due to half our party not being vaccinated that is planning a trip to Stickflingers in 2024.
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I pretty much determined on our trip the bear hunt wasn't for me so other than the deposit I wasn't hurt.
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Baylee, every group insurance policy in this country whether they are provided by your employer, union, professional organization or however has the same "whether they use it or not" feature. Are all of these "Socialist"? And just out of common courtesy find out what a "Socialist" actually is. You might refrain from referring to the Prime Minister of a friendly, neighboring nation as being one.
The difference is you have the choice rather you want to pay the insurance company or not in the US. In Canada it’s forced by taxes and the government runs it that’s socialism.
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Baylee, how does the sharing of opinions concerning Canada's medical and political systems have anything to do with bowhunting? How does insulting the person you're having a conversation with belong on Tradgang either? There's plenty of other forums to have arguments over politics. This is not supposed to be one of them. Yes, certain aspects of politics affect bowhunting. It is harder to get into Canada right now if you are not vaccinated. That will most likely settle down in time and it is a valid discussion to have. That discussion can be had without insults to each other and petty first grade levels of name calling.
If your having trouble keeping up I’ll see if I can help. Ol Jim was the first one going on about Canada’s government and socialist....he’s clueless about both.
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Baylee, no one is having trouble keeping up. Yes, you weren’t the first to bring up politics, which is why I called it out, before you jumped into the discussion.
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Baylee, I appreciate your concern about my cognitive ability, I'll try even harder to keep up. You state that in America "you have the choice rather you want to pay the insurance company or not in the U.S." There are in fact slightly more than 157,000,000 Americans with an employer provided group health insurance program. They all pay for their GROUP Insurance Program. Again are all these Americans socialists? Are their employers socialists? I suggest again that you look up the definition of Socialism and see what it means.
I believe there are only a handful of Socialist Countries in the world and Canada ain't one of them, I have worked with quite a few Canadians on projects in the northeastern and midwestern U.S. and never found one who was a socialist. I once stayed a while in Sarnia, Ontario while on a project in St. Clair, MI. I find Canadians friendly and very similar to Americans, they have been our allies in 2 world wars. Did I mention that they are not Socialists and don't have a socialist government?
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I’m giving up on where this thread has gone. Think I’ll go outside and let some arrows rip.
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Amen! We need another hunting season.
D.P.
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Baylee, I appreciate your concern about my cognitive ability, I'll try even harder to keep up. You state that in America "you have the choice rather you want to pay the insurance company or not in the U.S." There are in fact slightly more than 157,000,000 Americans with an employer provided group health insurance program. They all pay for their GROUP Insurance Program. Again are all these Americans socialists? Are their employers socialists? I suggest again that you look up the definition of Socialism and see what it means.
I believe there are only a handful of Socialist Countries in the world and Canada ain't one of them, I have worked with quite a few Canadians on projects in the northeastern and midwestern U.S. and never found one who was a socialist. I once stayed a while in Sarnia, Ontario while on a project in St. Clair, MI. I find Canadians friendly and very similar to Americans, they have been our allies in 2 world wars. Did I mention that they are not Socialists and don't have a socialist government?
Did I forget to tell you I don’t care what you think?
The government forces your Canadian buddy’s to pay for every single person in Canada, that’s not a choice. Go stand in line and wait for your appointment in Canada or talk to some that have and then YOU look up socialist medicine and tell me what the difference is. Choice and lack of a choice is the part that has you confused. Let’s see if I can help?
America you have a choice
Canada you have no choice
Hope this helps lol
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Motörhead, I don’t know about New Mexico but there would be some pretty good spot and stalk bear hunting in western Colorado. If you want to go with a guide I’d suggest Fred Eichler.
SE Alaska would be an awesome deal-many guides up there. Prince of Wales Island would be my choice.
There are options in Wyoming, Utah and Idaho depending on what you want.
All of these have both spring and fall seasons. Fall seasons can be had in Maine and other NE and Eastern states as well as your neighboring state of Arkansas.
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Kelly,
Thanks for putting this thread back on track. Some of these guys are wearing me out!! :help:
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Only state I've bear hunted in was Idaho. Lots of bears. My son, brother, and I went 3 for 3 in 3 days. We were there last week of the season. I wouldn't recommend that though because too much rubbing.
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Squapan Mountain Outfitters, Aroostook County Maine
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Wow!!! this thread took a left turn....... sorry people didn't mean to stir up a hornets nest. (James D) I appreciate your info, I run a small business and can't afford the quarantine to get into Canada I will continue my search. I will check out the outfitters mentioned in other comments and see if I can make this happen. I could be interested in partnering up with someone who is looking for the same hunt.
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I might add, if Canada opened there borders to travel freely with no speed bumps (STICKFLINGERS) would be my go to.