Post by: Roy from Pa on January 01, 2022, 06:55:26 AM
Today I'm enjoying our camp in the mountains.
Post by: Flem on January 01, 2022, 07:30:58 AM
I'm wishing for a peaceful and productive year for everybody
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 01, 2022, 10:47:30 AM
Post by: Pat B on January 01, 2022, 03:31:16 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on January 01, 2022, 03:38:42 PM
Dave.
Post by: kennym on January 01, 2022, 04:28:49 PM
That's if they haven't changed it this hour!! :biglaugh:
Post by: Longcruise on January 01, 2022, 04:37:24 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on January 01, 2022, 05:25:25 PM
It has arrived in MO, 11* right now and -3* tonite and tomorrow nite. Were calling about 14" of snow but I think we will end up with about 2-3"
That's if they haven't changed it this hour!! :biglaugh:
Yeah it's headed down my way, 70* today dropping to 27* tomorrow and calling for snow
Post by: kennym on January 01, 2022, 05:41:43 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 01, 2022, 06:34:10 PM
:wavey:
Post by: kennym on January 01, 2022, 06:37:36 PM
Post by: Shredd on January 01, 2022, 07:07:42 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 01, 2022, 10:13:34 PM
Curly maple thin lams add an Interesting look for accent stripes!
Post by: Flem on January 02, 2022, 10:40:11 AM
Post by: B-JS on January 02, 2022, 10:47:48 AM
60" 2-piece.
Post by: kennym on January 02, 2022, 11:40:36 AM
Post by: Mad Max on January 02, 2022, 11:44:09 AM
Looks great B, so you cut sight window, then the curve to split riser? :thumbsup:
How about a How to on the split of the riser? :dunno:
Post by: B-JS on January 02, 2022, 11:52:15 AM
Then i just cut the window section of.
This is just the second bow i build as 2 piece.
So a how to may be a bit presumptuous.
Post by: Jeff Freeman on January 02, 2022, 11:54:20 AM
Post by: kennym on January 02, 2022, 11:58:17 AM
Post by: B-JS on January 02, 2022, 12:09:35 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 02, 2022, 12:49:41 PM
Post by: B-JS on January 02, 2022, 12:55:00 PM
I live in germany, so it's all metric.
I used 15mm long and 8mm diameter pins.
Screws are M6 (6mm Threads) and the the Threads to hold them are self cutting thread Inserts.
Post by: Flem on January 02, 2022, 01:01:17 PM
Post by: B-JS on January 02, 2022, 01:10:05 PM
The red gfk is just for optics to replace the material, the cut took away.
Would not build such with a wooden riser.
First try on this Picture.
Smaller pins with not optimal Placement.
No issues at this so far.
The system is used by several bowyers.
So it may be safe.
Post by: Mad Max on January 02, 2022, 01:27:57 PM
You could use shoulder less drill bushing in wood for the pins.
2 more pictures of both sides bolted together Please
Post by: B-JS on January 02, 2022, 01:47:04 PM
Need to build a Drill jig, when i have found the perfect Locations for the Pins.
Then i don't Drill through the riser and Just the two screws will BE visible.
Post by: Mad Max on January 02, 2022, 01:57:10 PM
Thanks for the photos :thumbsup:
Post by: Shredd on January 02, 2022, 08:34:07 PM
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Post by: Shredd on January 02, 2022, 08:38:54 PM
Post by: Bvas on January 02, 2022, 08:59:16 PM
Post by: 4 point on January 02, 2022, 10:54:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qXYxrxd.jpg)
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Post by: Mad Max on January 02, 2022, 11:18:55 PM
Nice one 4point :bigsmyl:
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 03, 2022, 03:55:50 AM
Congrats Rich..
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 03, 2022, 07:05:48 AM
What is the core wood?
BTW very nice looking bow.
Post by: 4 point on January 03, 2022, 08:53:09 AM
Post by: Mad Max on January 03, 2022, 09:06:34 AM
Post by: 4 point on January 03, 2022, 09:11:51 AM
Post by: kennym on January 03, 2022, 09:39:03 AM
Take a zebra lam with angled grain with a couple fingers on each end and flex it in a half circle and watch it. That is .060 of total stack on my bows so it can matter...
If you could look thru limb and cores, the grain should be opposite back and belly making sort of an x , or better yet, use straight grain... :biglaugh:
Post by: 4 point on January 03, 2022, 09:48:59 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 03, 2022, 10:22:30 AM
Post by: Flem on January 03, 2022, 12:58:51 PM
But if you oppose rather than nestle the twist, it cancels the effect. Got to get creative if you are a collector of marginal wood :goldtooth:
Post by: 4 point on January 03, 2022, 01:14:35 PM
Post by: kennym on January 03, 2022, 01:40:48 PM
Post by: B-JS on January 03, 2022, 02:20:52 PM
Post by: 4 point on January 03, 2022, 02:35:43 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 03, 2022, 02:46:52 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 03, 2022, 06:36:31 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 03, 2022, 07:17:07 PM
Post by: Flem on January 03, 2022, 07:32:20 PM
Post by: B-JS on January 04, 2022, 12:23:22 AM
B-JS, That is awesome! What kind of carbon you got on the back of the bow? Is it clear glass with a carbon weave of some type under it?
That's full Carbon at Back and belly.
Got it from China.
Looking for a manufacturer in Germany since years.
Maybe i'll get one soon.
Post by: Flem on January 04, 2022, 09:27:03 AM
Post by: B-JS on January 04, 2022, 09:43:05 AM
But it's to messy and i Lack the time, Space and Motivation to do it.
I'm searching for a manufacturer, that makes me lams by my specifications for a resonable price.
First prototypes are about tonbe testet soon.
Post by: B-JS on January 04, 2022, 12:14:24 PM
Post by: kennym on January 04, 2022, 12:21:12 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 04, 2022, 12:30:18 PM
Post by: Jeff Freeman on January 04, 2022, 12:39:29 PM
Post by: mmattockx on January 04, 2022, 01:36:32 PM
Mark
Post by: Bvas on January 04, 2022, 07:08:17 PM
Post by: Carpdaddy on January 05, 2022, 08:57:47 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 05, 2022, 12:57:37 PM
Was going to make their pronounced take down long bow, but after looking at the prints, may change my mind.
Their version has really wide takedown longbow limbs. Not a big fan of that.
I laid out all my customs bows last night and compared them. I may use one of them for reference.
I did get riser 3 glued up. Brazilian rosewood with Leopard wood and Maple accents.
Now to figure out what limb...
Post by: Buemaker on January 05, 2022, 01:13:16 PM
Post by: Bvas on January 05, 2022, 05:52:22 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 06, 2022, 09:16:12 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 06, 2022, 09:53:00 AM
Post by: Flem on January 06, 2022, 10:15:54 AM
Those Shinto rasps are useful. Mine has a coarse and finer side. Need gloves if you are going to two hand it.
If anyone is thinking of getting one, dont get the one with the handle, its too far back to get good pressure and control.
Post by: Mad Max on January 06, 2022, 10:21:07 AM
Got a big box from Binghams in today. All there prints, fire hose and fittings, some lams and glass.
Was going to make their pronounced take down long bow, but after looking at the prints, may change my mind.
Their version has really wide takedown longbow limbs. Not a big fan of that.
I laid out all my customs bows last night and compared them. I may use one of them for reference.
I did get riser 3 glued up. Brazilian rosewood with Leopard wood and Maple accents.
Now to figure out what limb...
You can sand them down to 1-1/2” wide but you would need a thicker stack
Post by: Carpdaddy on January 06, 2022, 12:20:35 PM
Post by: Buemaker on January 06, 2022, 01:02:53 PM
Post by: Pat B on January 06, 2022, 01:05:14 PM
Post by: Buemaker on January 06, 2022, 01:08:22 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 06, 2022, 01:18:05 PM
Post by: Buemaker on January 06, 2022, 01:38:31 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 06, 2022, 01:43:31 PM
:laughing: :thumbsup:
Post by: Mad Max on January 06, 2022, 02:51:30 PM
Post by: Flem on January 06, 2022, 03:16:37 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on January 06, 2022, 06:52:46 PM
Dave.
Post by: Shredd on January 06, 2022, 08:04:46 PM
Roy, have you not heard that the Vikings used Pernambuco colored wool bowstrings? :laughing:
I knew that... Roy is still catching up on things... :biglaugh:
Post by: Buemaker on January 07, 2022, 04:15:39 AM
Post by: Buemaker on January 07, 2022, 07:20:01 AM
Post by: Shredd on January 07, 2022, 07:58:38 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 07, 2022, 08:21:02 AM
So prolly stay in where it's warm today. :bigsmyl:
Post by: Mad Max on January 07, 2022, 04:36:13 PM
the stuff I need is I suppose on a ship in the harbor.
What are you ordering from over seas Stic?
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 08, 2022, 09:09:42 PM
Post by: Longcruise on January 08, 2022, 09:13:07 PM
Post by: Bvas on January 08, 2022, 09:50:41 PM
Hopefully this fall I make it to CO to see those mountains in person. Been trying to get out there for several years to elk hunt.
Post by: Longcruise on January 08, 2022, 09:57:39 PM
Nice Mike.
Hopefully this fall I make it to CO to see those mountains in person. Been trying to get out there for several years to elk hunt.
Make your plans and do it. As it is you can purchase an either sex archery tag for a good sized chunk of the state but that opportunity get smaller all the time.
The regs brochure for 22 season will be published in earlyish feb. When it's available, PM me and I'll help you wade through the details.
Post by: kennym on January 09, 2022, 12:23:17 PM
Post by: 4 point on January 09, 2022, 01:31:35 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 09, 2022, 01:48:19 PM
Post by: kennym on January 09, 2022, 02:04:41 PM
Mark, it has to line up man!! :biglaugh:
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 09, 2022, 02:08:13 PM
Post by: Buemaker on January 09, 2022, 03:00:50 PM
Post by: B-JS on January 12, 2022, 11:59:09 AM
Let's see, how IT will sell in Germany.
Post by: Longcruise on January 12, 2022, 02:10:43 PM
So, for at least a couple more years bowhunters won't be required to wear orange.
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 12, 2022, 05:17:38 PM
Post by: 4 point on January 13, 2022, 10:04:21 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on January 14, 2022, 05:05:00 AM
Post by: Longcruise on January 14, 2022, 09:58:04 AM
Quote
I modified it slightly.
Uh oh!!!
Just kidding but sort of not kidding. :)
Post by: kennym on January 14, 2022, 10:04:28 AM
Post by: 4 point on January 14, 2022, 10:38:13 AM
Post by: kennym on January 14, 2022, 12:25:56 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 14, 2022, 01:01:12 PM
Post by: kennym on January 14, 2022, 01:45:41 PM
Post by: 4 point on January 14, 2022, 01:53:27 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 14, 2022, 02:40:16 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 15, 2022, 10:10:52 AM
Post by: Pat B on January 15, 2022, 11:29:11 AM
Been prepping for winter storm Izzy. Supposed to hit tonight and through tomorrow with up to 20" for us with a little ice early on. Got plenty of firewood, lots of drinking and flushing water put aside, plenty of food and plenty of beer and wine and my book light has new batteries if the power goes out. Should be fun. :thumbsup:
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 15, 2022, 01:49:22 PM
Gonna make another bow string today while smoker is doing its thing.
Post by: Mad Max on January 15, 2022, 02:37:57 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 15, 2022, 03:27:34 PM
Post by: Longcruise on January 15, 2022, 03:30:09 PM
Wanted to go look for a lion to track but the wife has furniture that she wants repaired so maybe tomorrow 🤔
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 15, 2022, 05:22:52 PM
Post by: Pat B on January 15, 2022, 05:33:13 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 15, 2022, 06:15:58 PM
Starting to snow pretty good here.
Post by: Pat B on January 15, 2022, 08:03:32 PM
Post by: OldRawhide42 on January 15, 2022, 08:24:24 PM
Post by: Pat B on January 16, 2022, 09:48:24 AM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on January 16, 2022, 09:58:51 AM
I love those paralyzing snow storms.
Especially now that wife and I are retired...
Wood burner has the house toasty and all the emergency equipment is ready to roll.....
Post by: Mad Max on January 16, 2022, 09:59:16 AM
we have about 1 to 2" here this morning still snowing but over 33* today
Post by: Pat B on January 16, 2022, 10:14:41 AM
These pics are looking out the side door...
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Our wood stove is cranking too, Roy but that's our primary heat. Our emergency equipment is kerosene hurricane lamps, bath tub full of flushing water, Containers full of drinking water and a neighbor with a Kubota tractor.
Post by: Flem on January 16, 2022, 10:24:26 AM
Post by: Pat B on January 16, 2022, 10:51:44 AM
Post by: Bvas on January 16, 2022, 11:34:48 AM
Bring it on!!!
Post by: kennym on January 16, 2022, 11:54:55 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 16, 2022, 01:54:14 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 16, 2022, 02:11:06 PM
Post by: Longcruise on January 16, 2022, 02:30:11 PM
56* and partly sunny here along the foothills of the Rockies.
Post by: wood carver 2 on January 16, 2022, 02:37:39 PM
Dave.
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 16, 2022, 03:53:46 PM
I don't care, fire in fireplace and meatloaf in the oven. Wife is a great cook.
Let it snow...
Post by: Mad Max on January 16, 2022, 04:08:08 PM
In 1994 we had freezing rain and trees and power lines were all over the roads and we had to cut our way out, some people were out of power for 30 days. WE got help from 4 or 5 states to get power back on.
we should be ok for now, no rain or snow for tonight and it will be melting tomorrow :bigsmyl:
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 16, 2022, 04:09:04 PM
I already called out for work tomorrow. Got the fireplace going, going to dig out tomorrow. Peacefull day!
Post by: Pat B on January 16, 2022, 04:13:11 PM
Post by: Jeff Freeman on January 16, 2022, 04:18:29 PM
After looking at the different ideas I went with the brown dyed white-tailed hide that I picked up at a flea market somewhere. I finally found a good use for it. JF
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 16, 2022, 04:35:41 PM
Ya baby snowing good now:)
Post by: Longcruise on January 16, 2022, 09:55:17 PM
Post by: Pat B on January 16, 2022, 09:59:38 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 16, 2022, 11:38:44 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 17, 2022, 05:14:59 AM
It's beautiful cause we are retired:)
Just gave the 6 regular deer their morning corn breakfast.
Post by: Pat B on January 17, 2022, 09:42:10 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 17, 2022, 10:29:23 AM
Post by: wood carver 2 on January 17, 2022, 05:12:40 PM
Dave.
Post by: Carpdaddy on January 18, 2022, 01:24:17 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 18, 2022, 01:43:52 PM
Post by: B-JS on January 18, 2022, 01:55:01 PM
Never built a bow before.
I think he did a great Job.
Post by: Buemaker on January 18, 2022, 02:47:37 PM
Post by: Flem on January 18, 2022, 04:03:41 PM
That glass looks great with the solid dark riser :thumbsup:
Post by: Shredd on January 18, 2022, 04:13:30 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 18, 2022, 04:29:15 PM
Post by: Jeff Freeman on January 18, 2022, 06:32:18 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 18, 2022, 08:31:01 PM
:biglaugh: Sounds like a country song to me!
Post by: 4 point on January 18, 2022, 10:20:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/mEnNPKQ.jpg)
Post by: Jeff Freeman on January 19, 2022, 04:42:38 AM
Post by: 4 point on January 19, 2022, 07:50:33 AM
Post by: Buemaker on January 19, 2022, 08:38:53 AM
Post by: Jeff Freeman on January 19, 2022, 09:00:36 AM
Post by: kennym on January 19, 2022, 09:56:14 AM
Post by: 4 point on January 19, 2022, 10:36:20 AM
Post by: TradBowyer on January 20, 2022, 03:51:20 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 20, 2022, 06:21:28 PM
Post by: Jeff Freeman on January 20, 2022, 06:58:28 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 20, 2022, 07:04:02 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 20, 2022, 07:46:05 PM
Post by: Bvas on January 20, 2022, 09:35:47 PM
I want to see something done in black locust! I got a bunch of it on my property.I got some off Kenny a few years back(lams and riser material). I really liked it for both. May have to use it again soon.
If you search S-quad, there are pics of a 54”hybrid I did using black locust and black walnut.
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 21, 2022, 07:07:50 AM
https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=156873.msg2707463#msg2707463
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 21, 2022, 07:14:45 AM
Also less shrinkage. Very close to the same weight....
Hmm. Might be a good lam wood!
Maybe I need to quit burning it all in my fireplace and try it out!
Bvas, that is gorgeous! I LOVE the contrast. How was the performance of the locust?
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 21, 2022, 08:41:19 AM
Post by: kennym on January 21, 2022, 09:26:07 AM
Post by: Pat B on January 21, 2022, 09:49:32 AM
Post by: Stagmitis on January 21, 2022, 11:35:21 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 21, 2022, 12:14:53 PM
Post by: Bvas on January 21, 2022, 09:07:04 PM
Bvas, that is gorgeous! I LOVE the contrast. How was the performance of the locust?
That bow was actually built with walnut cores and the locust was used as “veneers”, but the locust was about half the stack.
I believe that bow shot low 180s with 10gpi.
That was the only bow I built off that form after I altered it, so I don’t really have another to compare it to. Seems like it performs very close to maple. But it seemed to sand and work easier than maple.
Post by: B-JS on January 23, 2022, 05:38:32 AM
Long time, since the last ones.
Post by: Mad Max on January 23, 2022, 06:54:37 AM
Post by: bucknut on January 23, 2022, 07:17:24 AM
Post by: TradBowyer on January 23, 2022, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: kennym on January 23, 2022, 11:53:09 AM
Post by: B-JS on January 23, 2022, 12:08:29 PM
The lady, that has ordered it, picked it up today.
There was an extremely big smile in her face.
Post by: Bvas on January 23, 2022, 05:30:09 PM
Got this girl last night. So got her cleaned up and hung up today.
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Post by: 4 point on January 23, 2022, 05:39:42 PM
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Post by: kennym on January 23, 2022, 07:05:45 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 23, 2022, 07:19:36 PM
Post by: Jeff Freeman on January 23, 2022, 07:20:37 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 23, 2022, 08:51:16 PM
Post by: Longcruise on January 24, 2022, 05:48:13 PM
Got most of the machining done for another ILF riser. This time I am leaving some wood on the sides. Shaping is next. Still have to drill and tap for the dovetail adjusters.
Do you machine your own ilf fittings?
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 24, 2022, 09:40:21 PM
Post by: Muska on January 24, 2022, 10:18:14 PM
Nice BJ :thumbsup:
Got this girl last night. So got her cleaned up and hung up today.
good job farter💩💨
Post by: Longcruise on January 25, 2022, 12:35:14 PM
No, those came from 3 Rivers. I just simply do not have time to make them! If I had CNC, it would be a lot faster.
I'd like to see how you do the plate adjusters.
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 25, 2022, 12:48:05 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 25, 2022, 01:07:06 PM
No, those came from 3 Rivers. I just simply do not have time to make them! If I had CNC, it would be a lot faster.
I'd like to see how you do the plate adjusters.
Longhcruise. I drill in from the side with the mill and tap for I believe it is 6-32. Fill the hole with super glue before tapping, and redrill and tap after it dries.
The super glue soaks into the wood and stabilizes it. I use an extra long set screw. From my tests, it will round the Allen wrench out before pulling threads using the long set screws.
They make a brass insert but do not want to do that just yet.
We will see how they hold up.
Post by: kennym on January 25, 2022, 03:20:52 PM
Dang janitor has been off since bow season started and he is way behind on cleaning. :deadhorse:
Post by: Longcruise on January 25, 2022, 06:34:02 PM
Plowed snow again:)
Still coming down here. Not moving a flake until it stops! :)
Post by: Longcruise on January 25, 2022, 06:35:33 PM
No, those came from 3 Rivers. I just simply do not have time to make them! If I had CNC, it would be a lot faster.
I'd like to see how you do the plate adjusters.
Longhcruise. I drill in from the side with the mill and tap for I believe it is 6-32. Fill the hole with super glue before tapping, and redrill and tap after it dries.
The super glue soaks into the wood and stabilizes it. I use an extra long set screw. From my tests, it will round the Allen wrench out before pulling threads using the long set screws.
They make a brass insert but do not want to do that just yet.
We will see how they hold up.
Thanks, I like the SG solution based on what you say about it. Should be less wood disturbed that way. Does 3 rivers still have the plates? Maybe Lancaster?
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 25, 2022, 07:50:46 PM
The set i want at Lancaster when they come back in stock. https://lancasterarchery.com/products/tradtech-brass-ilf-riser-hardware
Hardware is half the price at Lancaster vs 3 Rivers. https://lancasterarchery.com/products/tradtech-ilf-limb-bolt-kit
Hope to finish the riser this week and start the limbs. Just gonna use some limbs I have untill I get a set made. I picked up the rest of my limb supplies today, more EA40, some clear glass. Just got to figure out my lam stack . Plan on starting low weight and going up.
Post by: Longcruise on January 26, 2022, 12:55:26 AM
Post by: mmattockx on January 26, 2022, 10:38:48 AM
Mark
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 26, 2022, 11:00:40 AM
Post by: OldRawhide42 on January 26, 2022, 03:55:54 PM
Post by: Longcruise on January 28, 2022, 02:34:32 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 28, 2022, 05:11:30 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 29, 2022, 08:43:20 PM
Got to stop buying wood and get some limbs built!
Ready to put the formica strip on my mold, but my contact cement was frozen...
Post by: Pat B on January 29, 2022, 09:29:46 PM
Are you buying your wood locally?
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 29, 2022, 09:49:26 PM
Post by: OldRawhide42 on January 30, 2022, 10:32:27 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 30, 2022, 11:13:47 AM
I have enough for 3 more risers and probably 3 limbs if I want to use it for limbs as well.
Post by: kennym on January 30, 2022, 11:23:13 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 30, 2022, 12:11:49 PM
Getting creative to use 4/4 when I want larger thickness...
Post by: Mad Max on January 30, 2022, 01:35:01 PM
Jeffries Wood Works in Knoxville. Best prices Ohave found. I have gotten wood from Cormark in Weaverville, West Penn Hardwoods in Conover. Jeffries may not have the huge variety of West Penn, but they have the best prices I have found .
What's wrong with Cormark?
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 30, 2022, 01:58:33 PM
I do stop at Cormark when I am in the area though. Got an extremely curly maple piece there last time and some bloodwood
Post by: Mad Max on January 30, 2022, 02:06:16 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on January 30, 2022, 02:08:44 PM
Now I can get going on some fun stuff. I have a decoy to make for one person, a keepsake box to carve for a good friend, and hopefully, we get enough bowyers signed up to have a swap this year.
Dave.
Post by: Shredd on January 30, 2022, 06:29:53 PM
Post by: OldRawhide42 on January 30, 2022, 08:14:37 PM
Post by: 4 point on January 30, 2022, 08:50:50 PM
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Post by: kennym on January 30, 2022, 08:52:50 PM
Post by: 4 point on January 30, 2022, 08:59:01 PM
Post by: Jeff Freeman on January 30, 2022, 10:06:31 PM
Post by: 4 point on January 30, 2022, 10:18:31 PM
Post by: Jeff Freeman on January 30, 2022, 10:19:39 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 31, 2022, 07:59:19 AM
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Post by: Buemaker on January 31, 2022, 02:44:46 PM
Post by: Buemaker on January 31, 2022, 03:23:15 PM
Post by: kennym on January 31, 2022, 04:31:49 PM
How's she shoot? You have a long draw, eh?
Post by: 4 point on January 31, 2022, 06:01:36 PM
Post by: kennym on January 31, 2022, 07:54:11 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 31, 2022, 08:20:47 PM
Josie?
:laughing:
Post by: kennym on January 31, 2022, 08:36:24 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 31, 2022, 09:27:31 PM
Post by: B-JS on February 05, 2022, 10:32:45 AM
And olive-ash as veneers.
Like it.
Post by: kennym on February 05, 2022, 12:07:31 PM
Post by: Mad Max on February 05, 2022, 07:48:46 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on February 05, 2022, 10:37:26 PM
Somebody needs to make complete ready to go forms!
Post by: Longcruise on February 06, 2022, 08:14:53 AM
I got the other half of my limb form done today. I enjoy making the risers....forms....not so much.
Somebody needs to make complete ready to go forms!
Probably need to ship them LTL. :biglaugh:
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 06, 2022, 10:25:37 PM
Post by: kennym on February 07, 2022, 07:39:13 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 07, 2022, 07:54:13 AM
Hmm guess a guy could buy a lot of gas for that.
Just the idea that I feel we are being gouged right now and Covid is the excuse.
Post by: mmattockx on February 07, 2022, 10:03:16 AM
Just the idea that I feel we are being gouged right now and Covid is the excuse.
Gas is up everywhere. It's not gouging, it's international commodity markets. Things get scarce and their price goes up, nothing more. Strangely enough, you never hear people complaining when these same markets drive prices into the toilet due to oversupply and everything gets dirt cheap.
Mark
Post by: Pat B on February 07, 2022, 11:43:04 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 07, 2022, 12:52:42 PM
Being on fixed income yes I will complain. Pretty natural for people not to complain when they can't actually afford stuff.
Post by: Bob D on February 07, 2022, 03:53:38 PM
We use propane for cooking, clothes dryer and hot water...wood for heat. The only rise in cost of the wood it my poor back and that is getting harder each year.Hi Pat, Im curious as to how much wood you use where you are in NC. I know you are quite high in elevation.
Im 64 and still doing mostly wood for the house and all-wood for the shop. I do like putting up my own winter heat but it’s getting harder.
Post by: Pat B on February 07, 2022, 06:36:13 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 07, 2022, 10:06:20 PM
Post by: mmattockx on February 07, 2022, 10:31:00 PM
Mark should have said natural gas.
I understand, I was talking about natural gas as well. Crude oil, gasoline, propane, natural gas and probably every other form of hydrocarbon are all international commodities that float with their markets. Because of all the disruption with covid in 2020 and 2021 natural gas reserves in North America are much lower than is normal and this has caused the markets to be jittery about supply problems and is keeping the prices for all of them high.
Mark
Post by: Mad Max on February 07, 2022, 10:35:40 PM
I think is around $3.00 now
Post by: Pointed_stick on February 08, 2022, 09:27:24 PM
Post by: B-JS on February 17, 2022, 03:03:05 PM
Roughed out and mounted the Hardware.
Need to build a Drill jig.
Just have a Set of cheap 25# Glass limbs. They suck.
Waiting for better limbs to Test IT properly.
Post by: wood carver 2 on February 17, 2022, 04:54:28 PM
It was raining steady since last night and now it’s turning into this sloppy mess.
We’re supposed to get about 8” tonight.
Dave.
Post by: wood carver 2 on February 17, 2022, 04:57:19 PM
Dave.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on February 17, 2022, 09:14:34 PM
Post by: Mad Max on February 18, 2022, 08:44:42 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 18, 2022, 09:08:47 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 18, 2022, 09:53:04 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 18, 2022, 10:29:50 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 18, 2022, 11:32:39 AM
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Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on February 18, 2022, 12:05:19 PM
Post by: TradBowyer on February 18, 2022, 02:36:25 PM
Post by: Longcruise on February 18, 2022, 04:30:55 PM
They worked really well! :biglaugh:
Yup, you can put the laser in the Hillbilly shop but you can't take the Hillbilly outa how it's used. :biglaugh:
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on February 18, 2022, 10:31:07 PM
Post by: B-JS on February 19, 2022, 09:34:28 AM
Post by: Pat B on February 19, 2022, 11:53:52 AM
Post by: B-JS on February 19, 2022, 11:58:34 AM
Black Locust.
Post by: kennym on February 19, 2022, 12:04:19 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 19, 2022, 12:08:18 PM
Post by: B-JS on February 19, 2022, 12:14:03 PM
And a bit of a diva when it comes to cutting/grinding/drilling.
Burns pretty fast If not processed very carefully.
Post by: Mad Max on February 19, 2022, 02:27:14 PM
More pictures of the riser please
Post by: B-JS on February 19, 2022, 02:31:02 PM
The Placement of the tillerbolts is not 100% perfekt.
Post by: Mad Max on February 19, 2022, 03:05:32 PM
Post by: Buemaker on February 19, 2022, 04:28:34 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on February 19, 2022, 06:20:10 PM
Thanks for posting!
Post by: kennym on February 19, 2022, 06:34:29 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 19, 2022, 09:54:30 PM
Post by: flntknp17 on February 21, 2022, 09:07:21 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on February 22, 2022, 09:03:43 AM
Post by: Buemaker on February 22, 2022, 06:07:26 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 22, 2022, 06:54:40 PM
Ya have a full draw picture?
Post by: Longcruise on February 22, 2022, 06:56:58 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on February 22, 2022, 07:18:26 PM
Nice stitching job...
Post by: Longcruise on February 22, 2022, 09:16:44 PM
Dang Mike, it was 60 here today.
Nice stitching job...
Thanks Roy. Theres just a bit over 35' of lacing there.
Post by: Jeff Freeman on February 22, 2022, 09:39:09 PM
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Post by: kennym on February 22, 2022, 09:44:20 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 22, 2022, 10:45:47 PM
Post by: Flem on February 23, 2022, 07:56:16 AM
Longcruise, that looks like the Robin Hood quiver that Errol Flynn used. Very nice. I cant remember what color it was in the movie?
Post by: Stagmitis on February 23, 2022, 08:16:01 AM
Post by: OldRawhide42 on February 23, 2022, 08:43:45 AM
I am going to try and make some.
Post by: Jeff Freeman on February 23, 2022, 08:44:18 AM
Cool jeff! Like your clothes pin feather jig-very clever!
Thanks you all. Just tinkering 😀
After trial and error and a little rework.
It works out great.
Post by: Jeff Freeman on February 23, 2022, 08:47:03 AM
Jeff are you just cutting the feathers to shape with scissors . Then glue them on some leather .Yes I cut them with scissors and glue on individually. Get the first one on straight, let it dry and move on to the rest of them. Duck Cement is working great. I can't pull off the feathers.
I am going to try and make some.
Post by: OldRawhide42 on February 23, 2022, 08:58:31 AM
Post by: Shredd on February 23, 2022, 10:08:55 AM
I am still working on my property when I am not making money... Seems like a dream that I used to work on bows... I am getting close to getting all the major stuff done... Then I should have free time to do whatever I wish...
Post by: Flem on February 24, 2022, 11:16:00 AM
I about ready to throw it all away for a shopping cart in Arizona :tongue:
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on February 24, 2022, 09:43:58 PM
Post by: Mad Max on February 24, 2022, 10:03:25 PM
Shout out to Kenny M! Got to use my new tapered lam sleds from him today. Making 2 at a time is now a breeze! Made some Cherry cores from some nice tight vertical grain cut cherry.
Show us your thickness sander :bigsmyl:
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on February 25, 2022, 06:54:32 AM
Post by: Mad Max on February 25, 2022, 08:05:45 AM
Post by: Flem on February 25, 2022, 01:18:44 PM
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Me and the Dog got cabin fever, had to build a fire for an excuse to spend some time outside. Been having sub-zero lows for a while. Takes forever to warm up the shop, 38deg this morning. Merde!
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 25, 2022, 02:57:55 PM
All I see is smoke:)
Post by: Bow Bender on February 25, 2022, 06:12:58 PM
Post by: Mad Max on February 25, 2022, 06:29:31 PM
It is a Byrnes. Like this one
This is The Hog Thickness Sander
Only 1 lam at a time but does a really good job
(https://i.imgur.com/SanTK7z.jpg)
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on February 25, 2022, 06:52:49 PM
Post by: Mad Max on February 25, 2022, 06:59:01 PM
I looked at that one, but the byrnes was cheaper with motor
I like yours :thumbsup:
does the motor bog down any?
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 25, 2022, 08:48:55 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wPmS9Fd.jpg)
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on February 25, 2022, 10:03:30 PM
Supermax drum sander is next on my list
Post by: Mad Max on February 25, 2022, 11:00:35 PM
Max, I have not bogged it down yet! Not fed it anything over 3 inches wide. Takes a little practice since the bed is short. I saw a bench jointer converted to a lam grinder that was awesome. Gives you the big flat table.
Supermax drum sander is next on my list
I have a Grizzly Baby drum sander also but I use my hog the most.
I think you will find that the one you have will do a lot
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on February 26, 2022, 07:14:32 AM
I made a jig for my oscillating sander right now to do the thicker stuff.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on February 27, 2022, 06:11:01 PM
Post by: TradBowyer on February 27, 2022, 07:38:54 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 02, 2022, 09:39:02 PM
Post by: Pat B on March 03, 2022, 09:52:24 AM
Post by: Flem on March 03, 2022, 10:00:21 AM
I can relate to the alternative lifestyle, good on you guy's for living your own lives :thumbsup:
Another personal note, my Dad's B-day is today, he's 99!! (and still drives)
Post by: Bow Bender on March 03, 2022, 12:53:08 PM
Flem, congratulations to your Dad, tell him happy Birthday from all of us.
My wife and I celebrated the big "50" back in November.
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 03, 2022, 01:38:07 PM
Flem congrats to your Dad.....
Wish I still had my Dad around...
Post by: Longcruise on March 03, 2022, 01:58:02 PM
Wow, 90 and still driving. You come from tough stock, Flem.
Post by: Pat B on March 03, 2022, 03:22:35 PM
Flem, wish your Dad a happy 90th. That's another mile post I'm looking forward to.
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 03, 2022, 05:45:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/c3fLtso.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ml8I4UA.jpg)
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on March 03, 2022, 06:10:57 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 03, 2022, 08:55:31 PM
Post by: Flem on March 03, 2022, 11:02:52 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on March 04, 2022, 07:09:01 AM
Went to my local credit union one day and they had 100th banners and signs up everywhere. I asked what it meant and a gentleman beside me said "its my birthday!" He honestly did not look a day over 75. Was sharp as a tack, still driving. There was a woman in a wheel chair in the corner with an oxygen tank. Looked like she was 100. It was his 80 something year old daughter!
Post by: Longcruise on March 04, 2022, 04:47:26 PM
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Post by: wood carver 2 on March 04, 2022, 04:56:32 PM
Osage is so hard to get where I live.
Dave.
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 05, 2022, 07:05:32 PM
This is Frogwood black riser with osage and maple. The layup is
.020 twill
.030 red core tuff
.110 bamboo
.030 red core tuff
.020 twill =41@28 at 62 in. N to N
zero vibration after the shot.
(https://i.imgur.com/3MxSfVv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Tg3BS9l.jpg)
Post by: Mad Max on March 05, 2022, 07:25:41 PM
looks good :thumbsup:
Post by: kennym on March 05, 2022, 08:03:45 PM
Post by: 4 point on March 05, 2022, 08:17:47 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 05, 2022, 09:48:54 PM
I think Widow use .050 6 ply on the front that has a layer of uni with the twill and the 2 ply .020 on the belly.
Post by: Flem on March 07, 2022, 02:03:54 PM
The carved antler button is a nice touch :thumbsup:
Post by: Buemaker on March 07, 2022, 02:48:38 PM
Post by: Buemaker on March 07, 2022, 02:51:59 PM
Post by: kennym on March 07, 2022, 03:24:55 PM
Post by: Mad Max on March 07, 2022, 07:00:20 PM
I need to cut one of my Junipers, I've been meaning to cut it last week :knothead:
Post by: Pat B on March 07, 2022, 10:59:30 PM
Post by: Buemaker on March 08, 2022, 03:04:38 AM
Post by: Pat B on March 08, 2022, 09:31:04 AM
Post by: B-JS on March 08, 2022, 02:41:11 PM
Just some finishing touches.... And clearcoat.
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 08, 2022, 03:40:23 PM
Post by: Mad Max on March 08, 2022, 07:44:49 PM
Post by: Longcruise on March 09, 2022, 01:46:45 PM
Almost finished my new toy.
Just some finishing touches.... And clearcoat.
I like that 👌. What is your finishing process on this bow?
I'm planning on doing my next personal bow in black.
Post by: B-JS on March 09, 2022, 02:00:34 PM
You will spot every tiny mark.
So i sand down to 240 grit and polish with 00 Steelwool.
For my Riser, i chose the bearpaw Action varnish.
It makes a rough surface and gives a good grip in the Summer.
A smooth matte finish may look more sophisticated, Bü i'm a pracrical guy.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on March 09, 2022, 02:11:45 PM
Did get by the wood store yesterday and they had some 36" fine grain 3x3 hard maple "table legs" in stock. Picked out a nice straight , tight vertical grain piece to make my core lams with.
Post by: B-JS on March 09, 2022, 02:24:31 PM
Just polished and clearcoat.
The Micarta is very "fine".
The rough clearcoat blurs the visibility of the layers.
With Gloss clearcoat, you would see them a bit.
Post by: Mad Max on March 09, 2022, 05:41:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/QwRM75D.jpg)
Post by: Jeff tech on March 09, 2022, 06:21:25 PM
Post by: Jeff tech on March 09, 2022, 06:22:53 PM
Post by: Mad Max on March 09, 2022, 07:11:12 PM
After it comes out of the form you cut threw the glass and and wood to make you grip
Glue one up :thumbsup:
Post by: Longcruise on March 09, 2022, 08:11:10 PM
Micarta demands very fine sanding.
You will spot every tiny mark.
So i sand down to 240 grit and polish with 00 Steelwool.
For my Riser, i chose the bearpaw Action varnish.
It makes a rough surface and gives a good grip in the Summer.
A smooth matte finish may look more sophisticated, Bü i'm a pracrical guy.
I'm planning to do mine with ebonized maple. One piece. Maybe gloss finish. Maybe red accents.
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 09, 2022, 08:58:48 PM
Kinda looks like a OMC design.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on March 09, 2022, 09:07:14 PM
Micarta demands very fine sanding.
You will spot every tiny mark.
So i sand down to 240 grit and polish with 00 Steelwool.
For my Riser, i chose the bearpaw Action varnish.
It makes a rough surface and gives a good grip in the Summer.
A smooth matte finish may look more sophisticated, Bü i'm a pracrical guy.
I'm planning to do mine with ebonized maple. One piece. Maybe gloss finish. Maybe red accents.
I want to see this! How are you going to ebonize it?
I have been playing with transtint dyes in alcohol. I have a amber color worked out for the old time maple look.
Working on a green right now. I just wished I could get it dyed deeper to use as accents that do not sand away.
Post by: Longcruise on March 10, 2022, 10:35:12 AM
Micarta demands very fine sanding.
You will spot every tiny mark.
So i sand down to 240 grit and polish with 00 Steelwool.
For my Riser, i chose the bearpaw Action varnish.
It makes a rough surface and gives a good grip in the Summer.
A smooth matte finish may look more sophisticated, Bü i'm a pracrical guy.
I'm planning to do mine with ebonized maple. One piece. Maybe gloss finish. Maybe red accents.
I want to see this! How are you going to ebonize it?
I have been playing with transtint dyes in alcohol. I have a amber color worked out for the old time maple look.
Working on a green right now. I just wished I could get it dyed deeper to use as accents that do not sand away.
I've played around with a few methods while doing non bow projects and the only one that I felt ok with is india ink. It’s a potentially messy process so prep will matter. Probably do final finish with VHT or Duplicolor clear wheel. Black glass of course.
Post by: Flem on March 10, 2022, 11:36:12 AM
I had the most success on light color wood, doing a three step process. First was wetting the wood out with a tannic solution, followed by a iron/vinegar solution. After that dried, rubbed it down hard with a rag and then used Transtint black. Turned out jet black on Maple and Englemann Spruce, which was surprising.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on March 10, 2022, 12:14:43 PM
I tried Ferric Nitrate on walnut and blood wood and they were black as coal.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on March 10, 2022, 08:16:32 PM
Post by: Jeff tech on March 10, 2022, 09:31:03 PM
Post by: B-JS on March 12, 2022, 02:49:04 PM
But getting Close.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on March 12, 2022, 04:15:09 PM
Post by: Stagmitis on March 12, 2022, 04:50:55 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 12, 2022, 05:01:13 PM
Post by: kennym on March 12, 2022, 07:25:37 PM
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Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on March 12, 2022, 10:03:31 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on March 14, 2022, 11:10:06 AM
Boy, was I wrong.
Dave.
Post by: wood carver 2 on March 14, 2022, 11:12:16 AM
Dave.
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 14, 2022, 11:13:30 AM
Post by: Mad Max on March 14, 2022, 11:50:03 AM
Still Not 100% satisfied with the design of the ILF.
But getting Close.
I'm not a big fan on the point on each end of the riser.
other than that is looks good. :thumbsup:
I draw my riser on a CAD program, small changes can make a big difference on the look of the riser
Post by: Longcruise on March 14, 2022, 01:19:19 PM
BTW you guys feel sorry for me got a procedure Mon. Gonna be poop in a lot tomorrow :scared: :scared:
Looks like a crappy deal. 😕
Post by: Stagmitis on March 14, 2022, 01:52:14 PM
Good luck today!
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 14, 2022, 08:08:10 PM
Post by: 4 point on March 14, 2022, 11:50:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kEqTwdb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zLTMxrJ.jpg)
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 15, 2022, 08:56:22 AM
Post by: Mad Max on March 15, 2022, 09:24:22 AM
Post by: kennym on March 15, 2022, 11:13:53 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 15, 2022, 12:04:59 PM
:laughing:
:thumbsup:
Post by: 4 point on March 15, 2022, 01:36:18 PM
Post by: Kirkll on March 15, 2022, 02:49:15 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on March 15, 2022, 03:19:45 PM
looks good
Post by: kennym on March 15, 2022, 03:31:53 PM
Post by: Mad Max on March 15, 2022, 05:36:42 PM
Both of these off the same form
(https://i.imgur.com/SpJL3cD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CK10Yxg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/y1w5W7g.jpg)
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 15, 2022, 06:07:51 PM
Post by: Mad Max on March 15, 2022, 08:09:31 PM
If that is 28 in. Looking good.
Should be right at 28" :thumbsup:
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 15, 2022, 08:51:00 PM
Post by: Mad Max on March 15, 2022, 09:52:41 PM
Post by: Kirkll on March 15, 2022, 11:04:50 PM
Kirk
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 18, 2022, 08:07:53 AM
Post by: Pat B on March 18, 2022, 09:27:56 AM
Post by: 4 point on March 18, 2022, 09:35:44 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 18, 2022, 09:38:03 AM
Thanks Travis
Post by: Mad Max on March 18, 2022, 09:39:11 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 18, 2022, 09:44:21 AM
Yer bamboo arrive yet?
Post by: Flem on March 18, 2022, 09:49:15 AM
I'm still looking for the mountains? ;)
Post by: Mad Max on March 18, 2022, 10:25:24 AM
No boo yet
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 19, 2022, 08:04:30 PM
Post by: Kirkll on March 19, 2022, 09:40:25 PM
They just came out with these very cool 360 Evolution flashers we use to troll for salmon, and they work excellent! First of all these things rotate in a large circle and simulate a large fish feeding, or going after bait. Besides the flash they make a noise that attracts salmon too... Here is a video of one in action.
https://youtu.be/yUWd4zKedv0
After buying a couple of these ridiculously expensive flashers and liking them so well. i decided to pirate the design and build a few more for my own use. I certainly cant afford to buy more... Here are some photos of my progress.
That poor bow on my bench got neglected today while i played with this. :dunno:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/BYLgU8N44af9QnU18
Kirk
Post by: Mad Max on March 19, 2022, 09:48:55 PM
Cool Kirk
Post by: Kirkll on March 19, 2022, 10:23:11 PM
Here are a couple more photos of the release system. Fun project! Kirk
https://photos.app.goo.gl/nUHAR6wcb2GSiFrC7
Post by: Flem on March 20, 2022, 10:18:16 AM
Post by: Kirkll on March 20, 2022, 10:58:42 AM
Post by: Flem on March 20, 2022, 11:58:17 AM
Whatever they were, it was good eating.
Post by: Kirkll on March 21, 2022, 09:41:06 AM
I use to go Salmon fishing with my Uncle on the Trask, near Tillamook. Don't know if they were Chinook.
Whatever they were, it was good eating.
I fished the Trask river for many years in the fall and caught some monster sized fish in the late 80s and early 90s. We used to run a drift boat down there a lot until it started getting to crowded. That and I got too old to enjoy the drift boat as much as I did in my younger years.
We fish the Willamette a lot in Spring, and in Fall we run our bigger boat in the Columbia and in the bays on the coast a lot more. I’m just starting to get comfortable with slipping out over the bar on blue bird days into the ocean to do some bottom fishing. The 19’ Bluewater boat does well in rough water conditions and handles 5-6’ swells just fine. But we don’t fish out there when it gets that lumpy by choice. We do a lot of crabbing in the bays too. It’s good sport. Kirk
Post by: Pat B on March 21, 2022, 09:46:57 AM
Post by: Longcruise on March 21, 2022, 02:23:55 PM
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Post by: Longcruise on March 22, 2022, 11:43:19 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 22, 2022, 05:10:08 PM
Just letting you guys know there is a Smart Alec over on Imgur :wavey:
I'll be a son of a gun.. They got them over there too?
:laughing:
Post by: kennym on March 22, 2022, 05:12:18 PM
Post by: Mad Max on March 22, 2022, 05:21:24 PM
Middle son Brandon is visiting so he got put to work in the shop. Maybe he will wanna carry on there if I ever get old and retire... :biglaugh:
Too late
you are old and retarded :laughing:
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 22, 2022, 06:10:20 PM
:laughing:
Post by: Mad Max on March 22, 2022, 06:35:37 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 22, 2022, 08:21:53 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on March 23, 2022, 07:17:58 AM
Post by: Longcruise on March 23, 2022, 06:05:39 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 23, 2022, 06:13:20 PM
Post by: kennym on March 23, 2022, 08:30:58 PM
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Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on March 25, 2022, 06:59:12 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 25, 2022, 08:32:01 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on March 25, 2022, 09:08:05 AM
Post by: Shredd on March 27, 2022, 07:35:44 PM
Post by: Mad Max on March 27, 2022, 08:07:15 PM
Post by: Kirkll on March 27, 2022, 09:06:17 PM
https://photos.app.goo.gl/cPVCdcxTEjaU3mqq8
Kirk
Post by: Pat B on March 27, 2022, 10:30:56 PM
Post by: Longcruise on March 28, 2022, 10:17:08 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 28, 2022, 10:32:29 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 28, 2022, 11:32:54 AM
Post by: Kirkll on March 28, 2022, 11:40:34 AM
It's 21 degrees here with snow and blowing winds. I tired of this winter crap.
Wow! I’m glad we are not getting any more of that stuff here in western Oregon. We’ve got trees in full bloom and temps in the 60’s here. We are already mowing the grass once a week too….. but…. Lots of rain and gray days full of clouds too. Nature of the beast out here on this side of the mountains.
Eastern Oregon has more of a dry desert type climate with 300 days a year sunshine. It’s colder and they get more snow too in spots. Big mule deer over there, and Rocky Mountain elk. Western Oregon has black tail deer and Roosevelt elk with a few white tail deer thrown in on the coast. Kirk
Post by: OldRawhide42 on March 28, 2022, 12:18:19 PM
Post by: Bob D on March 28, 2022, 02:14:40 PM
This morning we had high winds and 8 degrees with an inch of fresh snow and still snowing. Overcast doesn’t seem so bad today. :tongue:
Post by: Flem on March 28, 2022, 04:49:22 PM
Post by: Longcruise on March 28, 2022, 07:04:13 PM
Post by: 4 point on March 28, 2022, 07:15:34 PM
Post by: onetone on March 29, 2022, 12:33:30 AM
Post by: Kirkll on March 29, 2022, 11:33:13 AM
Btw…. This is African Cherry wood. Very hard , vary dense material. Turns almost yellow when freshly sanded, but darkens up to a dark brown rather quickly.
Here is a photo of the wood I started with.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Y8Y3P26oXrgVV4iM6
Here it is now…. 60” SS RC, 45 @ 28” , 2nd set of limbs are 41 @ 28.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xvByQWo8Bq56A5Rw5
Kirk
Post by: Longcruise on March 29, 2022, 12:49:05 PM
Is that the same as makore?
Post by: Kirkll on March 29, 2022, 01:15:15 PM
Post by: Mad Max on March 29, 2022, 01:23:21 PM
Nice curves on the limbs too :thumbsup:
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 29, 2022, 02:16:11 PM
Post by: Bvas on March 29, 2022, 10:20:00 PM
Post by: Kirkll on March 29, 2022, 11:42:45 PM
I like the riser shape on that one
Nice curves on the limbs too :thumbsup:
This limb design came together about 10 years ago originally. Ive done a bit of tweaking here and there since then, and still do shift the wedges a bit to accommodate different draw lengths. It’s proven to be a good design.
Kirk
Post by: Mad Max on March 30, 2022, 08:41:55 AM
Post by: Mad Max on March 31, 2022, 10:44:31 AM
I’m sitting in my truck up here next to the highway while texting this, maybe will we will have power tonight maybe
Post by: onetone on March 31, 2022, 01:05:10 PM
Post by: B-JS on March 31, 2022, 01:10:40 PM
Good Thing: it's stable and can stand some serious #.
Bad Thing: can't build my lil 50" Fun Bow with it... To much # with Minimum possible core.
String on picture is to short. Brace should be about 1" lower.
Post by: Mad Max on March 31, 2022, 01:11:39 PM
When the weather turns warm after being cold we have a chance of tornados.
The weather forecast for yesterday was high wends up to 55 mph and a tornado popped up from it.
Post by: Pat B on March 31, 2022, 02:45:04 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on March 31, 2022, 04:20:54 PM
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I used to make lots of decoys, but I haven’t in some time now.
I’ve been thinking about using my kayak and laying out with decoys around and trying to get a duck with a bow.
Dave.
Post by: wood carver 2 on March 31, 2022, 04:22:29 PM
Dave.
Post by: Mad Max on March 31, 2022, 05:38:14 PM
I got my power and internet back on.
Lot's of people still don't have there's on
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 31, 2022, 06:59:42 PM
Maxi, ah never mind.
:laughing:
We are hanging out at camp.
:bigsmyl: :thumbsup:
Post by: onetone on March 31, 2022, 07:01:36 PM
I live off grid here, so when the electrical co-op goes dark we don’t know about it until after the fact. But if our power goes.down, then I have to solve the problem!
Post by: Flem on April 01, 2022, 02:54:37 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on April 01, 2022, 03:28:08 PM
I really want to get back into duck hunting and it would be so cool to use a bow.
Dave.
Post by: Mad Max on April 01, 2022, 08:04:14 PM
I going with 2 lams Ipe .187 thick .003 taper
and 1 Bamboo slat 1/16" at the tips and 1/8" at the center of the riser.
Roy sent me his last bamboo but it has to much crown and will be to thick to make the backing (by the time I get it to thickness it will be to narrow) Thanks any way Roy
(https://i.imgur.com/OdfX3oe.jpg)
I had to revers taper the last 7" for the recurve tip to get the Ipe to bend, also the belly ramps on the riser.
The dry run looks good
Edit--I'm going to glue the Ipe up first and then glue the boo on.
I will be using EA-40
(https://i.imgur.com/GOMa25n.jpg)
I still need to screw the forms on
(https://i.imgur.com/IRN6Ucm.jpg)
This one will have a riser with a shelf
(https://i.imgur.com/ht5lAla.jpg)
Post by: Flem on April 02, 2022, 09:29:32 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 02, 2022, 09:33:57 AM
Post by: Mad Max on April 02, 2022, 10:11:54 AM
What are your needed dimensions for the Bamboo backing? I might have something that will work.
I found some flem it’s on it way
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on April 02, 2022, 10:27:33 AM
Post by: Flem on April 02, 2022, 10:55:52 AM
:thumbsup:What are your needed dimensions for the Bamboo backing? I might have something that will work.
I found some flem it’s on it way
Post by: mmattockx on April 02, 2022, 11:16:50 AM
Here you go Pat B. A Shakespeare Necedah, a browning Wasp and some draw knives and a Sandvik file. Bows I got for 30 a piece.
That's a great score of stuff.
Mark
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on April 02, 2022, 11:22:19 AM
Post by: onetone on April 02, 2022, 11:45:03 AM
Post by: Mad Max on April 02, 2022, 11:53:10 AM
Lefty’s are us
google it
Post by: Pat B on April 02, 2022, 12:01:59 PM
I used to have a Shakespeare Necedah but I think I gave it away years ago.
Post by: Mad Max on April 02, 2022, 03:39:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/IJ8IkSq.jpg)
Post by: Flem on April 02, 2022, 03:50:21 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 02, 2022, 05:57:39 PM
Post by: B-JS on April 03, 2022, 10:59:57 AM
How long do you expose it to sun and air to get the "right" amount of purple?
Before painting it...
Post by: Longcruise on April 03, 2022, 11:23:20 AM
Purpleheart....
How long do you expose it to sun and air to get the "right" amount of purple?
I don't have a lot of experience with purple heart, but it doesn't seem like it can be assigned a reliable schedule. How about as a SWAG, a year?
Post by: B-JS on April 03, 2022, 11:26:33 AM
A YEAR???? Before i coat and use IT?
Post by: Kirkll on April 03, 2022, 11:42:55 AM
I build and Sand a Riser and let IT sit for....
A YEAR???? Before i coat and use IT?
Sealing and finishing won’t effect the color change at all. It will change over time anyway. But using epoxy finishes do yellow out the finish over time giving it a gold tint. Different clear coats have different qualities for durability and clarity.
Kirk
Post by: B-JS on April 03, 2022, 12:06:57 PM
I had the Feeling, IT did Not Look very nice.
An other one, with some days between sanding and Paint, looked better, in my eyes.
I thought there a certain number of days, that Wood "needs" to oxidise the fresh sanded surface.
I use a PU 2k Finish.
Post by: Pat B on April 03, 2022, 12:13:30 PM
Post by: B-JS on April 03, 2022, 12:16:07 PM
Then i can paint IT tomorrow.
Post by: Kirkll on April 03, 2022, 02:14:38 PM
Here is a rather basic video that helps explain it. (Not the best video, but some info here)
https://youtu.be/WFLLhT6uQQg
Kirk
Post by: Buemaker on April 04, 2022, 09:46:47 AM
Post by: Pat B on April 04, 2022, 10:13:08 AM
Sorry to hear you got CoVid, Bue. Hope you both come through it without complications.
Being fully vaccinated makes me feel a lot better but I still worry about "long CoVid". If you've not heard of it, look it up.
Post by: Shredd on April 04, 2022, 10:37:06 AM
We both have Covid, the wife and I, so today life is fun. :scared:
Sorry Brother... Wishing you both a speedy recovery from it...
Post by: onetone on April 04, 2022, 10:39:28 AM
Post by: Flem on April 04, 2022, 10:44:43 AM
That Purpleheart and any other wood is going to change color no matter what you try to arrest the process.
I got this info from the USDA Wood Handbook. All wood is high in oxygen, in addition to minerals, soluble extractives like resins and colorants, and sugars like cellulose. The soluble sugars are acids and will react with the oxygen when the structure has been disturbed by cutting, etc. and polymerization starts to breakdown the extractives. So its going to happen even if you minimize the external influences like UV and atmospheric exposure.
Post by: Pat B on April 04, 2022, 06:03:36 PM
Post by: kennym on April 04, 2022, 06:08:32 PM
I went back to work construction today since bow stuff has slowed , I guess due to cost of gas and groceries...
I didn't have to but I can't stand still too long...
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 04, 2022, 06:11:56 PM
:pray:
Post by: B-JS on April 06, 2022, 04:02:51 PM
Post by: Kirkll on April 06, 2022, 04:15:52 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on April 06, 2022, 10:07:33 PM
Hey, Ken I hope the fires over there in Maggie Valley aren't near you. Take care.
We got the smoke, we are on the other side of the mountain. They got it under control now.
Post by: Pat B on April 06, 2022, 11:03:12 PM
Post by: Flem on April 07, 2022, 09:18:07 AM
Post by: Mad Max on April 07, 2022, 07:42:06 PM
For roy
Same picture from before because it looks the same :tongue:
(https://i.imgur.com/IJ8IkSq.jpg)
Post by: Longcruise on April 08, 2022, 01:59:16 PM
Quote
"Same picture from before because it looks the same"
:biglaugh:
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on April 08, 2022, 02:32:52 PM
Hope the vid has not hit you too hard.
Post by: Buemaker on April 08, 2022, 03:20:24 PM
Post by: kennym on April 08, 2022, 04:15:00 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 08, 2022, 05:45:34 PM
Walked outside before sunrise and heard Owl's, Turkey's, Geese and Duck's. Love this time of year!
He who dances wif birds..
:laughing:
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 08, 2022, 05:47:02 PM
Post by: Flem on April 08, 2022, 06:55:04 PM
Walked outside before sunrise and heard Owl's, Turkey's, Geese and Duck's. Love this time of year!
He who dances wif birds..
:laughing:
More like lurching and croaking :tongue:
Post by: Flem on April 09, 2022, 09:49:05 AM
Snowed last night :o
Post by: Mad Max on April 09, 2022, 09:52:03 AM
Post by: Flem on April 09, 2022, 10:07:16 AM
Post by: Kirkll on April 09, 2022, 11:23:46 AM
I wonder if he is trying to eliminate "handshock" :cheesy:
:biglaugh: :biglaugh: Now THAT is a serious string follow bow right there… :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
Post by: Buemaker on April 09, 2022, 12:31:45 PM
Post by: Flem on April 09, 2022, 01:05:57 PM
Post by: Pat B on April 09, 2022, 03:50:19 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 09, 2022, 04:56:24 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 09, 2022, 05:51:24 PM
So far I have cured the epoxy at room temp.
Today I put it in the oven.
Same picture again but imagine is in the oven :tongue:
(https://i.imgur.com/IJ8IkSq.jpg)
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on April 10, 2022, 01:51:00 PM
Post by: Flem on April 10, 2022, 01:55:45 PM
Post by: Buemaker on April 10, 2022, 02:03:54 PM
Post by: Longcruise on April 10, 2022, 05:46:52 PM
Take care of yourself man.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on April 10, 2022, 07:06:44 PM
He said that I'd I had waited any longer I would have started having organ failure.
Don't be macho! Somethings we can't beat on our own
Post by: Mad Max on April 10, 2022, 07:45:44 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 10, 2022, 08:36:17 PM
Post by: kennym on April 10, 2022, 08:42:40 PM
Post by: Kirkll on April 10, 2022, 10:26:19 PM
I got staff in a little figure I cut pretty deep skinning a deer years ago and spent 6 days in the hospital on IV antibiotics. They were talking about cutting off my arm over that. :o :o :o My finger swoll up so big the skin split….. talk about painful..:scared: :scared:
Post by: Pat B on April 10, 2022, 11:01:56 PM
Post by: Flem on April 11, 2022, 12:52:20 PM
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Post by: wood carver 2 on April 11, 2022, 06:07:08 PM
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Dave.
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 11, 2022, 06:26:43 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on April 11, 2022, 07:34:03 PM
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Post by: Longcruise on April 11, 2022, 09:50:34 PM
Post by: Flem on April 12, 2022, 09:14:48 AM
Post by: onetone on April 12, 2022, 10:42:53 AM
Post by: Shredd on April 12, 2022, 01:36:35 PM
I’m in Shedd’s School of Reuse, same sticks forever.
It's kinda like the principle of the whole thing or how long can I make this stick last... Plus it's always better for the environment to reuse things as much as possible... We live in a throw-away society...
I have a stick marked 'A' and one marked 'B' for using smooth on... I use the sticks to dish out the resin... I usually dish out part 'B' second so that is the stick I usually mix the resin with... Wipe them both off when I am done and I am good to go for another round...
Flem... If I just used them only to mix resin those sticks would last me about 4,000 years... :laughing:
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 12, 2022, 08:43:27 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on April 13, 2022, 09:07:08 PM
Thinking a short draw, heavier poundage to end up around 40lb at 24". Shot my grandsons 48" longbow drew to my nose and it was rather quiet fun!
Post by: onetone on April 13, 2022, 11:23:03 PM
Post by: flyonline on April 14, 2022, 06:08:17 AM
Moved into our new house last weekend and finally have my own shed/garage to get back to work in. Only down side is I have to share with the new heat pump hot water system, so I'm contemplating a "dirty" and "clean" side and throwing up a partition in there to keep the dust out of the good stuff. Plus that will give me somewhere to spread my fly tying gear, RC equipment, batteries and other goodies that require a dust free environment for optimum longevity and performance (whatever that is :laughing: ). Can shoot indoors to about 7m/20' with a bit of care so I've grabbed my light bow and a few arra's out to find out how much form I've lost in the last year or so :dunno:
I can finally go get my staves and log stash that the folks have been patiently babysitting for me for the last 2 years or so - even a large tree taking out the shed they were stored in hasn't caused any damage. Got some nice osage and ash with my name on it :thumbsup:
Kinda eyeing off a few trees that need to get cleared too. There's certainly plum, ornamental cherry (weeping vertical form) and ash, plus I'm pretty sure there's a hornbeam there too that might be on the chopping block - if so I'll be keeping the cherry at least as it's beautiful timber, plus the hornbeam if it gets slated for removal.
Got 10 weeks or so of long service due this year, so hopefully can get a few projects knocked out while I've got the time :pray:
Post by: Pat B on April 14, 2022, 10:06:02 AM
Post by: Pat B on April 14, 2022, 11:55:57 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/MzU4KdC.jpg)
Post by: Kirkll on April 14, 2022, 08:18:12 PM
Post by: Kirkll on April 14, 2022, 08:36:29 PM
check this out...
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Post by: Pat B on April 14, 2022, 10:56:24 PM
Yes Kirk, I did make all the leather work. Been doing it for almost 50 years.
Post by: Longcruise on April 15, 2022, 10:32:17 AM
Besides messing with my Osage stave i got another Ebony Sasquatch riser ready for finish. Here is the sanding sealer sanded to 150. Kirk
Nice. I suspect that it is I- beamed but can't tell on the phone screen?? What species ebony is that?
Post by: B-JS on April 15, 2022, 10:37:10 AM
Post by: Mad Max on April 15, 2022, 11:53:13 AM
Looks good 👍
Post by: Kirkll on April 15, 2022, 12:27:31 PM
Besides messing with my Osage stave i got another Ebony Sasquatch riser ready for finish. Here is the sanding sealer sanded to 150. Kirk
Nice. I suspect that it is I- beamed but can't tell on the phone screen?? What species ebony is that?
Actually this is just two pieces of Macassar ebony laminated together and its cut 1/8" past center of the lamination. This gives the appearance of an I beam.
But with this dense hardwood the I-beam wasn't necessary for extra weight or strength, nor wanted by the customer. Low 50's draw weight @ 32" with hybrid limbs. R-17 - 62" length. I use long wedges in the limbs for a 62" model with a 17" riser. Kirk
Post by: B-JS on April 15, 2022, 01:00:42 PM
Is that real wood bjs
Looks good 👍
Partial.
The brownish wood is Ovongkol.
The red stuff is Saraifo Rosewood.
Post by: hybridbow hunter on April 15, 2022, 03:09:21 PM
I am pretty sure your customer will be more than happy with that ebony beauty :goldtooth:
Post by: OldRawhide42 on April 15, 2022, 05:25:07 PM
I have been thinking about using wax . But I dont know what it will do to the wood.
Post by: Mad Max on April 15, 2022, 05:26:37 PM
Is that real wood bjs
Looks good 👍
Partial.
The brownish wood is Ovongkol.
The red stuff is Saraifo Rosewood.
:thumbsup: :bigsmyl:
Post by: Mad Max on April 15, 2022, 05:35:12 PM
Some bamboo I got in last week 8' cut in half for shipping.
My victims are on the left
(https://i.imgur.com/rvy1cuH.jpg)
I got some horn tips glued on
(https://i.imgur.com/hj9S2ED.jpg)
Braced it with my turnbuckles to keep unwanted stress off the fades and limbs
looking good, 1 limb a little heavy.
I will try to keep them even until later.
(https://i.imgur.com/pTii0P9.jpg)
Post by: mmattockx on April 15, 2022, 05:58:07 PM
I have been cleaning my shop the past 2 days . Does anyone know how to slow up the rust on a table saw top ?
I have been thinking about using wax . But I dont know what it will do to the wood.
I have used plain furniture paste wax on all my tool beds and tables for the last couple years. Lets the wood glide over easily and keeps rust from forming. I have noticed no effects at all on the wood or finishing. There is so little that gets on the work piece that I think it just gets cleaned off in final sanding.
This is what I use: https://www.minwax.com/wood-products/specialty-finishes/minwax-paste-finishing-wax
Mark
Post by: wood carver 2 on April 15, 2022, 06:08:05 PM
I need to get some more for my planer.
Dave.
Post by: Flem on April 15, 2022, 06:14:33 PM
Post by: Longcruise on April 15, 2022, 11:09:35 PM
Threw the trampoline over the fence.
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Post by: B-JS on April 16, 2022, 04:08:50 AM
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Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on April 16, 2022, 02:02:18 PM
I do believe it's official, While waiting on my leg to heal, I have reached the end of the internet.
Post by: Buemaker on April 16, 2022, 02:39:45 PM
Post by: Shredd on April 16, 2022, 04:31:00 PM
Post by: 4 point on April 16, 2022, 10:06:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CMIFk4J.jpg)
Post by: Kirkll on April 16, 2022, 11:55:22 PM
Post by: 4 point on April 17, 2022, 12:03:01 AM
Post by: Shredd on April 17, 2022, 05:02:22 AM
Just ended up that way in this design.
Sounds very scientific... :laughing:
Looks Great, although I'm not crazy about straight accents... We had a small discussion about straight accents and riser failures a few months ago... What woods did you use?? Would like to see standard 3 pics of it unbraced, braced and 28" draw...
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on April 17, 2022, 09:47:00 AM
Post by: 4 point on April 17, 2022, 10:10:13 AM
Hillbilly, it’s 55 at 31”
Post by: kennym on April 17, 2022, 10:35:14 AM
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Post by: Shredd on April 17, 2022, 10:48:48 AM
Post by: Flem on April 17, 2022, 11:20:33 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on April 17, 2022, 11:49:36 AM
I sharped some heads , Turkey opens tomorrow ...
Wife came in from grocery shopping, "you know there are 12 turkeys in the front yard?"
It is tyrkey season here. Maybe I need to set my bow on the porch and be ready to hobble out!
They are using heavily within 50 yards of my house in the woods behind me. I suck at calling though.
Post by: kennym on April 17, 2022, 12:07:41 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 17, 2022, 01:53:01 PM
I tend to call too much , trying to cut back... LOL
Your just a Horn e hen :laughing:
Post by: kennym on April 17, 2022, 02:34:10 PM
Post by: Kirkll on April 17, 2022, 07:06:20 PM
Just ended up that way in this design.
how long is your string? And what’s the brace height? Just curious…. Kirk
Post by: 4 point on April 17, 2022, 08:34:27 PM
Shredd, here are the pic's you ask for.
(https://i.imgur.com/BqPJeu4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Hnzg7wA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sakscpI.jpg)
Post by: flntknp17 on April 17, 2022, 10:28:11 PM
I also worked on a new BBO this weekend.
Matt
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Post by: Mad Max on April 17, 2022, 11:04:11 PM
Post by: B-JS on April 18, 2022, 02:21:06 AM
How did you measure the 63"?
Post by: flyonline on April 18, 2022, 03:16:15 AM
I wouldn't bother with the hornbeam as bow wood, hop hornbeam yes but not hornbeam.
Ok thanks, looks like I have HB, not HHB :thumbsup:
Post by: 4 point on April 18, 2022, 08:47:33 AM
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Post by: flntknp17 on April 18, 2022, 04:39:07 PM
Post by: flntknp17 on April 18, 2022, 04:40:49 PM
Wow Matt! Forgive me if I call the pieces by the wrong name, don’t have a clue what I’m talking about. Did you carve the what I’d call the neck and head by hand? That is amazing workmanship! Beautiful maple in it.
Yes, the neck and scroll were carved by hand from a block of curly maple with gouges and chisels. It was sort of a challenge to myself because I haven't ever really been satisfied with my carving abilities and I wanted to get better at it.
Matt
Post by: wood carver 2 on April 18, 2022, 04:47:43 PM
If your first is that nice, I’d love to see what you make when you get good at it. 😁
The guitar is really cool too.
You know, I’m wondering if it would be a good idea to have a sub forum just for guys to show off the other, non archery things that they make. A maker’s forum.
Just a thought.
Just ignore this if it’s a bad idea.
Dave.
Post by: Mad Max on April 18, 2022, 05:23:40 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 18, 2022, 05:28:27 PM
Stave bench for The raffle table at the Tennessee Classic next week.
ERC Eastern Red Cedar (Juniper)
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Post by: Crooked Stic on April 18, 2022, 05:39:02 PM
They came out 42@28
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Post by: Roy from Pa on April 18, 2022, 05:47:12 PM
Post by: 4 point on April 18, 2022, 07:38:30 PM
Dave, a makers forum seems like a good idea.
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 18, 2022, 07:56:31 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 18, 2022, 08:20:20 PM
This is a trad archery site.
Post by: flntknp17 on April 18, 2022, 09:19:32 PM
Matt
Post by: 4 point on April 18, 2022, 09:45:09 PM
Post by: Flem on April 19, 2022, 09:07:54 AM
It should make it easy to keep your nose to the grindstone, or in this case the shaving horse.
Post by: Mad Max on April 19, 2022, 09:54:58 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on April 19, 2022, 10:56:40 AM
So stoked!
Post by: Mad Max on April 19, 2022, 11:18:20 AM
Post by: Flem on April 19, 2022, 11:41:26 AM
I thought it was a fantastic idea because I LOVE seeing all the other things we do....I apologize if I was remiss in posting non-archery things.
Matt
You just need to make a "bow" for that fiddle and you will be within regulations.
That or accrue a couple hundred likes to avoid scrutiny .
Post by: Mad Max on April 19, 2022, 12:55:52 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 19, 2022, 01:07:00 PM
Post by: 4 point on April 19, 2022, 01:24:28 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 19, 2022, 01:28:10 PM
LOL
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Post by: Flem on April 19, 2022, 09:50:06 PM
Post by: Pat B on April 19, 2022, 10:39:51 PM
I'll be there a week from today.
Post by: Mad Max on April 19, 2022, 11:43:14 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 20, 2022, 04:44:00 AM
We keep you around for your knowledge and wit.
And especially just to see what happens next..
:laughing:
:thumbsup:
Post by: Mad Max on April 20, 2022, 08:18:19 AM
LOL Flem..
We keep you around for your knowledge and wit.
And especially just to see what happens next..
:laughing:
:thumbsup:
:laughing: :laughing: sor :laughing: :laughing: sorry flem :laughing: :laughing:
Post by: Flem on April 20, 2022, 09:55:06 AM
Fortune teller had nothing for me.
But it is reassuring to know that "Anything goes" :goldtooth:
Post by: Longcruise on April 20, 2022, 11:15:17 AM
Post by: wood carver 2 on April 20, 2022, 08:42:36 PM
The brown and black one is my first that I made last year. The new one is kingwood. The drill bit scorched the inside when I drilled it. Man, talk about a bad taste when I tried out the call! 😝😝😝😁
This one’s for a friend at turkey camp. I’m heading there Friday morning.
Dave.
Post by: Mad Max on April 21, 2022, 10:00:41 AM
Post by: Flem on April 21, 2022, 11:31:00 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 21, 2022, 04:06:32 PM
Very nice Dave.
Post by: flntknp17 on April 23, 2022, 05:34:36 PM
Matt
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Post by: flntknp17 on April 23, 2022, 05:38:02 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on April 23, 2022, 06:10:24 PM
Post by: Buemaker on April 23, 2022, 06:25:49 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 23, 2022, 07:58:01 PM
Both look great. Do you play the fiddle yourself?
X2
Post by: flntknp17 on April 23, 2022, 08:05:51 PM
Both look great. Do you play the fiddle yourself?
I play only very simple songs at best. My boys are both significantly better than I'll ever be and the older one in particular is a very good player. I've always been interested in the history of these instruments so I thought I would try and see what all goes into building one. Has been a fun project.
Matt
Post by: 4 point on April 23, 2022, 08:24:17 PM
Post by: garyschuler on April 23, 2022, 10:44:52 PM
Post by: onetone on April 24, 2022, 12:59:02 AM
Post by: Mad Max on April 24, 2022, 06:34:57 AM
Post by: Flem on April 24, 2022, 09:31:29 AM
Especially like the homemade varnish, bet it smells good with the Juniper resin.
Post by: Pat B on April 24, 2022, 09:48:41 AM
Post by: Flem on April 24, 2022, 11:10:45 AM
Ponderosa varnish smells like vanilla. Be warned, if you make delicious varnish, you will be temped to lick your bow :o
This outfit has a lot of good supplies for the adventurous. Funny thing, a lot of the supplies can be used to make high explosives in addition to stains and varnishes.
https://woodfinishingenterprises.com
Post by: Longcruise on April 24, 2022, 12:09:10 PM
Post by: Flem on April 24, 2022, 12:27:30 PM
Be sure to check out the Tech Info section. It has a lot of good recipes.
Post by: Jeff tech on April 24, 2022, 04:18:28 PM
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Post by: Jeff tech on April 24, 2022, 06:30:39 PM
Post by: Jeff tech on April 24, 2022, 07:04:07 PM
Post by: kennym on April 24, 2022, 07:10:26 PM
What's a WPII?
Post by: Jeff tech on April 24, 2022, 07:50:26 PM
Post by: kennym on April 24, 2022, 08:53:20 PM
Post by: Jeff tech on April 24, 2022, 09:29:46 PM
Post by: Flem on April 25, 2022, 09:46:04 AM
Did you stain the riser? Looks a lot lighter in the before pic.
Post by: Jeff tech on April 25, 2022, 11:13:03 AM
Post by: Jeff tech on April 25, 2022, 03:53:11 PM
Post by: Longcruise on April 25, 2022, 03:59:59 PM
Well I went to fit this bow for a string. I'm going to stop myself right there. That was a total waste of my time refinishing this bow. Guy said it shot great. It never had a string on it when I got it and I never seen it strung. Until now. I talked to the guy. He's not very upset. He says don't worry about it. Just make it right with him on my time. What a disappointment. It's the only bow I've ever refinished that. I never strung. Lessons learn
Hard to tell in the photo on the phone, but the tiller looks crazy 🤪
Post by: B-JS on April 25, 2022, 04:03:33 PM
Thats some serious negative Tiller.
Post by: mmattockx on April 25, 2022, 04:22:15 PM
Mark
Post by: Jeff tech on April 25, 2022, 04:29:55 PM
Post by: Jeff tech on April 25, 2022, 04:30:47 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 25, 2022, 05:41:51 PM
She's going to blow. He would be probably the next time it was shot. The guy I was doing it for said it was shooting great. Just like an old race, motor runs the best right before it blows. This blows. 😒
What # is it Jeff?
Post by: Jeff tech on April 25, 2022, 06:44:43 PM
Post by: Jeff tech on April 25, 2022, 06:45:56 PM
At a lower brace height 8 to 8 and 1/2 the bottom Limb is about a half an inch softer.or so. This one's tough to check and has very short working limbs. Very long riser, very thin fadeouts Maybe it was made that way. I don't know. I just painted it lol. And little body work. JF
Post by: Kirkll on April 26, 2022, 12:44:26 PM
She's going to blow. It would be probably the next time it was shot. The guy I was doing it for said it was shooting great. Just like an old race, motor runs the best right before it blows. This blows. 😒
I'm curious why you say she is going to blow? Is there limb damage you didn't see?
The reason i ask is i've seen old bows that spent years in a barrel , or leaning up in a corner sitting on the limb tip deform a lower limb. If the limbs are stillstructurally sound, you may find with a little creative tillering, you could still save it.... .02 cents worth ........................Kirk
Post by: Jeff tech on April 26, 2022, 12:52:46 PM
Post by: B-JS on April 26, 2022, 01:03:16 PM
Post by: Kirkll on April 27, 2022, 09:19:03 AM
She’s 66” long and will end up in the low 40s at 31” draw. She’s a bit heavy, and a bit out of tiller in these photos. But nothing some fine tuning won’t cure.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/njpojsn6sSagjLdNA
Kirk
Post by: mmattockx on April 27, 2022, 10:39:25 AM
She’s a bit heavy, and a bit out of tiller in these photos. But nothing some fine tuning won’t cure.
Nice looking riser. Can you explain where you see the tiller being off? I assume you will just do some sanding on the limb sides to fine tune the weight and tiller?
Mark
Post by: Kirkll on April 27, 2022, 11:35:26 AM
During the course of bringing the draw weight down and balancing the limbs i work both the sides and sand the glass belly and back. For this lower draw weight bow my .040 glass is a bit on the heavy side, and i will end up with about .035 belly and back and that will lighten the limb mass. The draw weight difference on sanding glass is about 1# for every .002 of glass sanded. So if i slowly bring it down .010 i'll be really close to my desired draw weight.
Once i drop below 36# draw weight I could easily use .030 glass for strength, but i don't do it. You loose a lot of limb stability with thinner glass. .035 is about as far as i want to go on those light draw weight limbs.....
With recurve limbs with an aggressive hook like i use on my SS design, there is a magic number on limb thickness i must maintain to keep those limbs from going sideways too easily. Right at the base of the hook if that limb thickness gets below .190 the limbs start getting seriously squirrely. So i use a par instead of my typical .001 taper to get a thicker limb out there where i need it. On a 25-30# set of limbs i'll use a reverse taper to thicken that section at the base of the hook....... Yes.... i'm loosing performance, but a with a target weight recurve stability trumps arrow speed. Kirk
Post by: mmattockx on April 27, 2022, 12:07:14 PM
Mark
Post by: wood carver 2 on April 29, 2022, 06:22:23 PM
I saw a bearded hen this afternoon. It's hard to see because I had to zoom way in to get the shot. Her beard is about 6 to 8 inches long. Better than some gobblers I've seen.
Dave.
Post by: Kirkll on April 29, 2022, 11:22:38 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on April 30, 2022, 07:08:13 AM
Dave.
Post by: 4 point on May 03, 2022, 08:20:48 PM
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Post by: Bow Bender on May 03, 2022, 08:44:12 PM
Post by: Robertfishes on May 03, 2022, 10:20:42 PM
Post by: Mad Max on May 03, 2022, 10:24:09 PM
Post by: kennym on May 04, 2022, 08:27:43 AM
Nice Fish guys!
Post by: Mad Max on May 04, 2022, 01:51:17 PM
And a box of Vertical Boo flooring toast for $50.00 24Sq. Ft. ---Should make about 54 bows :bigsmyl:
At the classic :thumbsup:
Post by: Kirkll on May 04, 2022, 02:30:55 PM
I got some X-99 bow string (Dyneema/Vectran blend)$$$ Cocobolo colors (For some Cocobolo I have)
And a box of Vertical Boo flooring toast for $50.00 24Sq. Ft. ---Should make about 54 bows :bigsmyl:
At the classic :thumbsup:
Where did you get your flooring? What brand? Kirk
Post by: Mad Max on May 04, 2022, 03:31:17 PM
I will look on the box later today :thumbsup:
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on May 04, 2022, 08:55:48 PM
Post by: Mad Max on May 04, 2022, 09:01:34 PM
What!! I never saw any boo there! Would have snagged some if I could. X99 is my go to string material. Really like it.
Sorry, some one brought it there for me :dunno:
Post by: Mad Max on May 06, 2022, 05:42:56 PM
I got some X-99 bow string (Dyneema/Vectran blend)$$$ Cocobolo colors (For some Cocobolo I have)
And a box of Vertical Boo flooring toast for $50.00 24Sq. Ft. ---Should make about 54 bows :bigsmyl:
At the classic :thumbsup:
Where did you get your flooring? What brand? Kirk
This is the only thing on the box
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Post by: flntknp17 on May 11, 2022, 08:25:34 AM
Matt
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Post by: Mad Max on May 11, 2022, 08:53:35 AM
Nice job :thumbsup:
FYI--The highest point on the arrow shelf works better in line with the deep part of the grip :thumbsup:
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Post by: flntknp17 on May 11, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
That wood combo always looks good :)
Nice job :thumbsup:
FYI--The highest point on the arrow shelf works better in line with the deep part of the grip :thumbsup:
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Agreed....but I am a little more cautious on all-wood bows than I would be on bows with glass or carbon or micarta. I know most of the folks on this particular site are building with synthetic materials so there is a lot more room for cutting things thin and deeper. Heck, most of the selfbows I see aren't even radiused at all :archer:
Post by: PV on May 11, 2022, 10:28:15 AM
How much reflex did it keep?
Post by: flntknp17 on May 11, 2022, 09:48:58 PM
She's a beauty Matt :thumbsup:
How much reflex did it keep?
It has 3" after its been unstring for a few minutes and 2 3/4" immediately after unstringing. I've been playing around with WHERE along the limb has most of the reflex and this seems to be the sweet spot.
Matt
Post by: PV on May 12, 2022, 07:37:21 AM
I got one of my BBO's out and shot it after seeing your bow and I measured it after shooting. Tips were even with no reflex and 3/4 in after resting.
I'd forgotten how much fun they are to shoot and build.
Couple of more questions if you don't mind.
I used to use Urac for glue up but I believe it's not being made any longer. What glue are you using?
Also where can I get some good bamboo slats?
Paul
Post by: flntknp17 on May 12, 2022, 08:23:15 AM
That's amazing reflex retention Matt.
I got one of my BBO's out and shot it after seeing your bow and I measured it after shooting. Tips were even with no reflex and 3/4 in after resting.
I'd forgotten how much fun they are to shoot and build.
Couple of more questions if you don't mind.
I used to use Urac for glue up but I believe it's not being made any longer. What glue are you using?
Also where can I get some good bamboo slats?
Paul
I got about 50 pieces of bamboo from Echo Archery a couple years ago, but they've been out of stock lately with supply chain issues like most everyone else. I have heard that Yumi is selling boo slats, but I haven't contacted him to see.
I used Titebond 3 for many years on BBO and BBH bows, but I found that I was retaining about half the initial relfex after getting them fully shot in. I tried EA-40 last year and now I see why most of the folks who are good at making BBOs are using it.....the last five bows have lost zero reflex after being fully shot in. It does indeed seem to be better at keeping the full initial reflex and that leads to lighter mass limbs and higher at-brace sting tension for the same final draw weight. Both are obviously desirable. I do not own a hot box for the EA-40. I just leave it glued up for at least 24 hours and it cures fine. I leave myself a test blob of glue somewhere I can monitor it and when it has cured to glass hard, I know the bow did the same. It's also less messy that TB3 because I can wrap the whole glue-up in saran wrap and no need to worry about air drying. I know most of you guys know this stuff, but I've been pleased after 20 years of TB3 and never using EA-40 because I assumed I needed a hot box.
Matt
Post by: Mad Max on May 12, 2022, 08:47:23 AM
It's not a good time to look for Boo slats , everybody is out of it mostly or way to high.
I like Ipe for the belly and it's hard to find too but I got a flat grain blond board last year at the Classic
1x5x39" 3 pieces
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These are 48" long and every piece has those curly lines on the back.
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Post by: PV on May 12, 2022, 09:24:00 AM
Gone are the days of 25 slats for $75 shipped
I gave a few IPE cores to a couple of friends quite a few years ago that I know are just gathering dust. Hmmmm..
Post by: Mad Max on May 12, 2022, 09:39:29 AM
He used the last boo he had to make 11 BBB's for the classic Bow challenge.
Post by: Shredd on May 12, 2022, 10:46:45 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on May 12, 2022, 09:36:33 PM
Post by: Mad Max on May 12, 2022, 10:47:19 PM
Post by: Shredd on May 12, 2022, 11:01:46 PM
Post by: flntknp17 on May 12, 2022, 11:17:53 PM
Beaver tailed my grip today on my 3 piece I made. Also did some reshaping on the riser, edges and corners.
Did you tan/process the beaver tail yourself? I have a frozen beaver tail that I need to process and was wondering how people kept them pliable enough to not be like rawhide when dried
Matt
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on May 13, 2022, 05:41:30 AM
Post by: Mad Max on May 17, 2022, 05:12:53 PM
Hard to find 1-3/4"x .040 glass all the time.
Everybody has 1-1/2"
No pictures, it's just a form :dunno:
Post by: Mad Max on May 17, 2022, 05:14:22 PM
Matt, I did not. I got from Big Jim at the classic. Tanning is one of the next steps I want to learn. I am bummed I did not do my first trad kill deer.
I would think you would air dry it like snake skins.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on May 17, 2022, 09:04:01 PM
Basically watched Big Jims video. Coated it with Barge, let it dry, recoated again and let it dry. Then coated the bow handle except the back spine, let it dry.
Then I soaked the beavertail glue side up in a dish with about 1/16" of hot water.
Then started in the throat of the handle and worked it around and it stretched out fine.
Post by: Mad Max on May 17, 2022, 10:11:41 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on May 20, 2022, 08:30:20 PM
Post by: Mad Max on May 20, 2022, 09:03:30 PM
Post by: Kirkll on May 22, 2022, 11:47:58 AM
That's amazing reflex retention Matt.
I got one of my BBO's out and shot it after seeing your bow and I measured it after shooting. Tips were even with no reflex and 3/4 in after resting.
I'd forgotten how much fun they are to shoot and build.
Couple of more questions if you don't mind.
I used to use Urac for glue up but I believe it's not being made any longer. What glue are you using?
Also where can I get some good bamboo slats?
Paul
They still make Urac under a different name. Same company makes it too.
Kirk
https://nelsonpaint.com/unibond/
Post by: Kirkll on May 22, 2022, 11:53:24 AM
Post by: Mad Max on May 22, 2022, 11:56:44 AM
Post by: Kirkll on May 22, 2022, 10:10:35 PM
What kind of wood is that riser Kirk? :thumbsup:
Macassar Ebony, with a Shedua back overlay...... I've actually got two Mac ebony bows going at the same time right now. The stuff is getting harder to find locally for me. 8/4 stock is REALLY hard to find, and expensive too. I used to stock the stuff years ago buying $500-$600 worth at a time. Now it's a chore just finding decent looking 4/4 stock.
Kirk
Post by: Mad Max on May 22, 2022, 10:55:26 PM
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Post by: kennym on May 24, 2022, 09:49:44 PM
Post by: Longcruise on May 24, 2022, 10:22:18 PM
Thanks Kirk, it was an easy one. Clearcoated an all maple bow, then gray primer, then a loofa sponge and acrylic matte paint randomly applied. The how to I saw said matte clear over it, but it was so flat I just left it. Better paint would help but I had the acrylic(wife had) and just went with it.
Kenny, what was your actual application technique with the loofah? I like the look of it. Might want to do it on this years hunter.
Post by: kennym on May 25, 2022, 08:07:14 AM
Black, then brown on top of the gray primer. Later dusted the whole thing with flat black from 2' back to lessen the gray as it seemed to stand out ...
Post by: Mad Max on May 25, 2022, 05:02:33 PM
Got rid of 7 form TOPS, going topless all the way.
And more room for more forms :jumper:
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I ground some Spalted Osage veneers .027
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Post by: Kirkll on May 26, 2022, 12:53:51 AM
My grandson really liked the tractor....
I also set up a new bow i just completed for a photo session before shipping.
Kirk
https://photos.app.goo.gl/TkDR6z5VFetaAYD36
Post by: mmattockx on May 26, 2022, 10:15:35 AM
Good job on starting your grandson out on the yard work early.
Mark
Post by: Buggs on May 31, 2022, 04:13:33 PM
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My old gun was so old, I couldn't get parts for it anymore. This one is a real nice inexpensive model. I have tried it out a couple times and knew it would be my next gun. If anybody is thinking about a new gun, or a first gun, this is a great option. It came with 3 nozzle/needle sets and the gauge. I did have to order it from the UK, they only sell the HVLP model here in the US.
But I think I might be more excited about these little cups;
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They hold 3oz, perfect for 1 bow and you toss it when finished!
The gun, adapter, and 24 cups was just about $250. Thats a great deal for a gun that you could use to paint your car.
The Harbor freight disposable cup system is really cheap, but works really well. It was on sale today, so I got another cup and collar, plus the refills and adapter for $30.
Post by: Buggs on May 31, 2022, 04:14:49 PM
Post by: Mad Max on May 31, 2022, 04:32:33 PM
Post by: Buggs on May 31, 2022, 07:56:27 PM
Post by: Mad Max on May 31, 2022, 08:00:32 PM
Nothing wrong with HVLP, just takes more skill to get a glassy finish. The HVLP air cap blows more air at lower pressure. Takes a little more finesse than I possess.
That may be why I can't get a good finish from a spray gun :thumbsup:
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on May 31, 2022, 08:19:01 PM
Oops, I forgot! Its a DeVilbiss FLG-5I have an early FLG and a DeVilbiss Plus. I will never give them up! The disposable cup system is very nice.
Post by: Longcruise on May 31, 2022, 08:52:14 PM
Oops, I forgot! Its a DeVilbiss FLG-5I have an early FLG and a DeVilbiss Plus. I will never give them up! The disposable cup system is very nice.
How is this system cleaned after use.
Post by: Kirkll on May 31, 2022, 08:54:59 PM
I might be tempted to try something different to make things go smoother. You are right about these HVLP guns being fickle. I run mine on way more air pressure than recommended to get my matte finish. I turn down the air for my build up coats, then crank up the air, and turn down the volume to get the fine texture I’m looking for. It’s tricky to do…. Too much volume and you get shiny spots. Not enough volume and it’s uneven….
Thanks for the recommendation bro…. Kirk
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on May 31, 2022, 09:19:28 PM
You really need the high air volume at the low pressure for the guns to work good.
Then they are just so so compared to the older guns. I have a "high efficiency " Devillbiss that I got when you could get both. It still runs on the large fittings and will lay high solid clears like glass.
Post by: Buggs on May 31, 2022, 10:05:16 PM
Just have to rinse the fluid passage way with solvent after. So you save some solvent and clean up time, but waste plastic. I choose to waste plastic.
You can get the HVLP air cap for $50, which might be nice depending on what you needed to spray.
The stock setup with the 3 tips is more than enough for my range of skills.
Post by: mmattockx on May 31, 2022, 11:20:29 PM
You are right about these HVLP guns being fickle.
One thing that will drastically help HVLP guns is to use the large diameter disconnects and large diameter air hoses. The standard 3/8" shop air hose and fitting will not provide enough volume at lower pressures, so you have to crank up the pressure.
You guys are way more experienced than I am, but I found running a regulator right at the gun made a huge difference for me with my low budget HVLP gun. Lets me run higher line pressure to move the air and gives fine control of the pressure at the gun.
Mark
Post by: garyschuler on May 31, 2022, 11:37:36 PM
Post by: Mad Max on June 01, 2022, 08:04:03 AM
Oops, I forgot! Its a DeVilbiss FLG-5
Give us a link to it?
Is this it?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133318365511
Post by: Buggs on June 01, 2022, 09:00:30 AM
But that one is from the UK, and thats where they are made, so it's probably legit. I did notice that the add header says its an FLG 5, but in the item description its says it's a Starting Line SLG. So you have to be careful. Be worth taking the time to confirm with the seller.
Post by: Mad Max on June 01, 2022, 09:28:12 AM
"Hope to contribute to the database in the near future".
Done deal chummy ole bow :laughing:
Thanks
Post by: Buggs on June 01, 2022, 09:39:38 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on June 01, 2022, 12:39:47 PM
You are right about these HVLP guns being fickle.One thing that will drastically help HVLP guns is to use the large diameter disconnects and large diameter air hoses. The standard 3/8" shop air hose and fitting will not provide enough volume at lower pressures, so you have to crank up the pressure.
You guys are way more experienced than I am, but I found running a regulator right at the gun made a huge difference for me with my low budget HVLP gun. Lets me run higher line pressure to move the air and gives fine control of the pressure at the gun.
Mark
Correct, my clear coat gun has a regulator at the gun as well. Good stuff, these discussions..
On my paint gun line I use a tank with the inlet at the bottom and the outlet at the top.mountes on the wall besides the regulators. This acts as another point for condensation to drop out. It is also about 50 feet from my compressor. I have the main compressor and 50 gallon tank feeding another 50 gallon tank. This is enough to drop out almost all condensate and cool the air down from the compressor. When I was shooting a whole car with the higher volume gun, this helped maintain pressure longer.
I no longer paint cars so I got plenty of volume!
Post by: Buggs on June 01, 2022, 05:27:54 PM
I'm just guessing here. If anybody has first hand experience, please set me straight
Post by: Minnesota Bill on June 01, 2022, 06:43:58 PM
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Post by: Buggs on June 02, 2022, 01:15:43 PM
They also sent me two of the adapters. Don't know why they sent two, but they don't want it back. I have no use for two and won't try to sell it.It's a nice piece of hard anodized, machined aluminum. So if anybody has a DeVilbiss or is going to get one and would like an adapter for the disposable cup system, message me. I don't know how much they cost, might be cheaper to buy one with free shipping than pay to have this one shipped?
Post by: Pat B on June 02, 2022, 03:38:30 PM
Post by: kennym on June 02, 2022, 04:29:27 PM
Think he's up on the mountain at camp. :thumbsup:
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on June 02, 2022, 06:54:40 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on June 02, 2022, 08:43:24 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on June 02, 2022, 09:04:35 PM
so I got some 6 ply carbon cheap. So I ended up with two bows with 6 ply on front and .040 glass belly. I am not sure but I think a person could only two ply carbon on the belly with no glass. anyhow the six ply made it a lot stiffer. Got one 44 @ 28 and 37 @28.
And a lefty longbow for my cousin grandson.
And now working on an all Mulberry recurve.
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Lefty(https://i.imgur.com/ZEYm2kk.jpg)
These three all Mulberry
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Post by: Buggs on June 02, 2022, 11:44:54 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on June 03, 2022, 07:05:43 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on June 03, 2022, 11:11:45 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on June 03, 2022, 10:18:27 PM
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Post by: Jeff tech on June 05, 2022, 06:26:38 PM
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Post by: Buggs on June 06, 2022, 08:26:25 AM
Post by: Buemaker on June 06, 2022, 05:51:43 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on June 06, 2022, 07:17:43 PM
I did not want to start a thread, so I hope someone can tell me how to turn off the email notifications I keep getting?After you post your comments, click on where it says unnotify.
Dave.
Post by: Jeff tech on June 07, 2022, 07:48:22 AM
Post by: 4 point on June 10, 2022, 11:47:50 PM
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Post by: Buggs on June 11, 2022, 07:42:04 AM
Post by: B-JS on June 11, 2022, 08:25:30 AM
I wonder how this thing did at least ANYTHING, looking Like this. :biglaugh:
Post by: Buggs on June 11, 2022, 08:36:37 AM
Post by: 4 point on June 11, 2022, 08:45:38 AM
Post by: Mad Max on June 11, 2022, 09:00:30 AM
Post by: B-JS on June 11, 2022, 09:27:32 AM
IT has a ton of additives in IT to act as filler and clearcoat in one and give a rough matte finish.
Post by: 4 point on June 11, 2022, 09:35:16 AM
Post by: B-JS on June 11, 2022, 09:57:34 AM
I never "cleaned" the fun before.
I Just Spray and After that i empty IT and fill the gun with the cleaning thinner from the brand the clearcoat comes from and spray some....
Maybe i should really Clean it from time to time.
Post by: Buggs on June 11, 2022, 11:04:15 AM
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Clean up is straight forward; gargle, spit, repeat.
Post by: onetone on June 11, 2022, 12:13:20 PM
Post by: kennym on June 11, 2022, 12:35:36 PM
Post by: 4 point on June 12, 2022, 12:46:05 AM
Post by: B-JS on June 12, 2022, 05:07:55 AM
Thats pretty much, what the serial model will look Like.
Post by: kennym on June 12, 2022, 09:39:02 AM
Post by: mmattockx on June 12, 2022, 10:43:09 AM
Clearcoat on my ILF is done.
Very nice. Where did you get your ILF hardware and how long is the riser?
Mark
Post by: B-JS on June 12, 2022, 11:05:02 AM
Riser lenght ist 19".
Post by: Crooked Stic on June 12, 2022, 04:59:27 PM
Post by: Shredd on June 12, 2022, 09:50:58 PM
Post by: Kirkll on June 13, 2022, 03:10:58 PM
What was the cost of the hardware? and would you sell them? That would take a lot of fight out of the millwork and riser lay up too. I dont build many ILF risers, but that is a slick set up. Kirk
Post by: mmattockx on June 13, 2022, 07:45:49 PM
Running set screws in wood is a joke.
Can you not use threaded inserts for the side to side adjustment instead of tapping the wood directly? I agree that seems like a poor way to go.
Mark
Post by: B-JS on June 14, 2022, 02:11:24 AM
Was like 60 a pair.
I need to tune the price down, once i can make NUMBERS.
Also, i would Like to have a Brass Version of them.
Once i have them Made for a reasonable price, i May consuder selling IT.
The Problems with threaded Inserts in wood are of several kind.
You leave very less Material around them unless you don't use very tiny screws.
They apply spread Force to the Wood and May eventually make the riser crack.
If they fail, it's hard to repair.
Therefore some manufacturers use a Big full Metal ILF component including also the Thread for the limbbolt.
(Antur,DK-Bow,Spiderbow).
But i don't Like the Look and the facto, that this plates are atteched to the Riser with pretty small screws.
So i made These.
Little downside is Just the fact, that the milling in the Riser has to be ABSOLUTELY DEAD ACURATE.
Post by: Kirkll on June 14, 2022, 09:31:21 AM
Like yours, the first couple I did I put into full depth pockets which matched the shape of the tapered limb butts of a standard ILF limb. I use a bit larger set screw with corse thread first, and figured out it doesn’t take much over tightening of those screws to crack the fins covering up the sides of the limbs. Those 1/8” wood sides are not very durable.
Btw… you did a nice job milling those pockets….pain in the arse they are…
I messed with that a bit, and finally decided I didn’t really need to put these into pockets at all, and milling those taper shaped pockets is not a walk in the park. So I chose to use a 1/2” G-10 limb pad cap and just mill a slot for the ILF plate, leave the sides open, and give myself something solid to tap into for the set screws. This allowed me to use smaller diameter machine screws with a bit more length. The results were excellent. The G-10 mills nicely with high speed router bits and is much stronger than wood.
Having decided to eliminate the pockets, I could keep my own ILF limbs square at the butt rather than taper them. The looked better that way to me. They would still except a std ILF limb, but most of the guys I built these for preferred the higher performance my SS RC limbs had than the ones on the market anyway.
Here are a couple I built about 5 years ago if you want a peek at my design. On one of these I have it set up with a full 1/2” past center cut shelf and hardware for a plunger. I used a 1/2” G-10 I beam to pull that off. Kirk
https://photos.app.goo.gl/PFxjZgjsKdrJsoZM9
https://goo.gl/photos/XRykbXpgWy8rzbvt5
Post by: Shredd on June 14, 2022, 11:30:50 AM
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Post by: Buggs on June 14, 2022, 11:33:42 AM
Hard to tell what's going on with Kirk's, without a pic of the actual joining pieces.
As far as inserts in wood, I would not be too concerned. 200lb crazies scream down ice covered mountains at 80mph connected to slats of wood and epoxy with a few inserts and 6mm screws.
What are going to do with that big a$$ rasp?
Post by: Kirkll on June 14, 2022, 11:50:49 AM
capabilities to remove...... I didn't remember that blower being this heavy putting it up there either. :dunno: I darn near dropped that heavy thing coming down a ladder with it. :scared: :scared: :scared:
Time to haul the motor to a shop for a band aid or two.... Pain in the arse i tell ya.
well.... i didn't hit the post button and today is another day... after tearing this thing apart and hauling it to the shop it turned out to be terminal injuries resulting is a quick funeral. It served me well for quite a few years.
So he fixed me up with a new motor and i just about had a heart attack at $385 replacement cost. I did upgrade to a different design that was more enclosed than my open ended version. Trying to keep sawdust out of a blower pushing a dust collector is pretty tough to do. But this style will help with that.
Here is the new motor .
https://photos.app.goo.gl/uNiZVahbdeytciXy6
But of course the motor was wired wrong and the direction needed to be reversed. So i'm in the middle of trying to get this done correctly. My first attempt ended up with a small fireworks display and kicked the reset button. I think i got something wrong here.... So i'm waiting for a call
back from the motor tech to see if i can straighten it out and avoid tearing it apart again and hauling it 30 miles into town. :banghead: :banghead: Kirk
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fN6r4aNGW1JVbk8dA
Kirk
Post by: Buggs on June 14, 2022, 12:06:00 PM
That looks like pretty standard blower. You would get better performance with a radial fin impeller design
Post by: Kirkll on June 14, 2022, 01:03:58 PM
This blower does an excellent job. I built a pretty good sized cyclone that dumps into a large trash can i can empty, and i ran a 6" trunk line overhead with 4" drop lines to my sanders and other machines. Total cost of my dust collector system without the new blower was $35.00 I just used a 10" furnace fan for many years that i pulled out of an old furnace. The bigger 4" drop lines to the sanders suck up a lot more of the real fine airborne particles, but would probably suck up a cat that got too close too. :biglaugh:
I'm real happy with the performance, except to my table saw. It's at the end of my line and doesn't suck up a lot of the heavier saw dust well. It does ok with the airborne fine dust, and that's the stuff that kills ya. ..... But realistically.... I don't run that table saw for hours on end like i do my sanders. So the blower is rarely used on the table saw drop anyway. Kirk
Post by: Mad Max on June 14, 2022, 04:55:20 PM
So now all you can get is a gas powered or Battery powered.
Post by: Kirkll on June 14, 2022, 10:25:43 PM
I got my blower winched back up on top of the spray booth and all hooked up. I'm good to go now on that front.
While I was still in maintenance mode, the sun came out and allowed me to change out the spindle on my mower deck that blew up last week. That didn't take long at all, and went smoother than i thought it would. The only hitch i had was the new spindle i purchased wasn't tapped for the bolts .... Smooth bored. :dunno: But it was a 5/16 -18 thread just like our bow bolts, and i had a tap on hand all ready set up. It took about 10 minutes to tap those 4 holes in the aluminum flanges and she went right together.... Took it out and mowed a half acre with it afterwards too.
I might even get back to my bow projects tomorrow. :biglaugh: Kirk
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on June 15, 2022, 07:55:44 AM
While having my morning coffee, I Google for wood working supply stores near me.
Literally 1 mile from the campground is a hardwood and slab place that claims to have exotic lumber as well. Going to go wood shopping today!
Post by: Kirkll on June 15, 2022, 08:39:22 AM
At North Myrtle Beach with the grandkids today. We brought out bows as there is a local club that does guest passes.
While having my morning coffee, I Google for wood working supply stores near me.
Literally 1 mile from the campground is a hardwood and slab place that claims to have exotic lumber as well. Going to go wood shopping today!
That could leave a mark…. :biglaugh:
Post by: Longcruise on June 15, 2022, 10:25:18 AM
At North Myrtle Beach with the grandkids today. We brought out bows as there is a local club that does guest passes.
While having my morning coffee, I Google for wood working supply stores near me.
Literally 1 mile from the campground is a hardwood and slab place that claims to have exotic lumber as well. Going to go wood shopping today!
Hillbilly, I visit their regularly. Can you post the info on the place and your impressions.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on June 15, 2022, 01:46:02 PM
Had some real nice slabs and projects they were working on.
I believe they do alot of domestic wood and slabs.
Picked a piece of granadillo, canary wood and a enough 8/4 Wenge to make riser accents for a long time!
You never know when a place is going to have that one piece that jumps out at you.
Post by: Buggs on June 15, 2022, 08:25:23 PM
Post by: Mad Max on June 16, 2022, 05:21:25 PM
Post by: kennym on June 16, 2022, 05:45:10 PM
Post by: Pat B on June 16, 2022, 06:25:36 PM
We did have a nice thunderstorm this afternoon which dropped the temp to the 60s. Gonna cool down this weekend with night temps in the upper 50s.
Post by: Longcruise on June 16, 2022, 06:51:39 PM
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Post by: Kirkll on June 16, 2022, 09:48:05 PM
What i did today was a magic trick repairing a RC limb that was split by improper stringing. I got the limb back and the belly glass was split just below the hook for about 4-5 inches right about dead center of the limb and lost its torsional stability completely. I surgically removed the glass and replaced it after injecting the split core with thin super glue.....
Now comes the fun part trying to balance it out to match the lower limb. and still keep it tracking straight. I've pulled this magic trick off a couple times now. But sometimes you get da lion, and sometimes da lion get you... :biglaugh:
Kirk
Post by: Longcruise on June 16, 2022, 10:36:46 PM
Post by: Shredd on June 17, 2022, 12:42:50 AM
Post by: B-JS on June 17, 2022, 01:02:44 AM
I just try to figure out, how to use my grill, while i'm in the pool.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on June 17, 2022, 09:36:19 AM
Post by: Buggs on June 17, 2022, 10:46:45 AM
Post by: mmattockx on June 17, 2022, 11:20:57 AM
very long, cold spring weather, with record rain fall going back 80 years....
Same here. I don't think we are at record rain fall levels yet, but it has been a miserable cold, wet spring. Just had 4+" of rain on Monday - Wednesday this week, it's raining now and supposed to be wet all weekend. The only consolation for me is I am finishing our basement and the crappy weather makes it easier to be inside working on the house.
Mark
Post by: Buggs on June 17, 2022, 02:20:54 PM
Post by: Kirkll on June 17, 2022, 03:21:18 PM
This was a very light draw weight limb. 42 @31" using a #3 limb Bare RC with a 21" riser that gives me a 66" bow. These are not very strong limbs even in perfect condition, and require great care in making sure the tracking is perfect and you are very carefully when in stringing them. This one was damaged using a long bow stringer that puts all the pressure on the tips, and it went sideways.....
For those of you that think the belly glass adds a lot to stability.... Well it sure doesn't do it alone. that core is a very important part of torsional stability. Food for thought. Kirk
Post by: onetone on June 17, 2022, 05:30:46 PM
Post by: beachbowhunter on June 17, 2022, 07:07:56 PM
Post by: kennym on June 17, 2022, 08:38:41 PM
Seems to be wide spread extremes - serious drought here with a 340,000 acre forest fire started by the feds controlled burn that has been raging since April 6th.
We burn 6' tall grass in CRP fields here, and the running joke is there is no such thing as a controlled burn. :o
Post by: Longcruise on June 17, 2022, 08:47:14 PM
Seems to be wide spread extremes - serious drought here with a 340,000 acre forest fire started by the feds controlled burn that has been raging since April 6th.
I think it was a "controlled burn" that destroyed the town of Alamogordo??
Colorado has a temporary ban on controlled burns pending more training or something like that.
Post by: onetone on June 17, 2022, 09:12:21 PM
Post by: Buggs on June 19, 2022, 12:00:41 PM
Post by: B-JS on June 20, 2022, 04:42:59 AM
Post by: Buggs on June 20, 2022, 10:08:16 AM
I would like to go to the German Archers campfire! But I don't speak German, so I suppose all I would do is drink beer :goldtooth:
Post by: B-JS on June 20, 2022, 11:08:32 AM
Sitting around the Campfire, have some beer and tell Storys of the heroic archery things we did at the day.
Post by: Kirkll on June 20, 2022, 11:38:09 AM
How many of these deep limb pocket risers have you fabricated now?
I would be concerned with the longevity of those wood fins at the tip of the riser myself. People are kind of rough on these bows sometimes.
Nice craftsmanship….. Kirk
Post by: B-JS on June 20, 2022, 03:48:41 PM
Still in pre-serial-test-production.
About 10 Made, so far.
After final Tests and some Longterm results we will start Sale.
Yes, i Share your concerns.
I will make the pockets flatter in the final series.
My own bow allready performed a 1,5m drop exactly in the Edge of the pocket, right on the concrete floor of my shop.
It took no damage but a dent in the clearcoat.
Post by: Buggs on June 22, 2022, 11:29:32 AM
What are you going to do today?
or
What did you do yesterday?
:bigsmyl:
Post by: kennym on June 22, 2022, 12:18:20 PM
Post by: Buggs on June 22, 2022, 01:20:53 PM
What are you doing today? :cheesy:
Post by: Kauz on June 23, 2022, 06:38:12 AM
Post by: Buemaker on June 23, 2022, 11:20:19 AM
Post by: kennym on June 23, 2022, 01:49:14 PM
Post by: Mad Max on June 23, 2022, 05:38:43 PM
I ground them down to .025
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Post by: Buemaker on June 23, 2022, 06:00:02 PM
Post by: 4 point on June 23, 2022, 06:31:13 PM
Post by: Buemaker on June 23, 2022, 06:36:40 PM
Post by: Buggs on June 23, 2022, 06:41:03 PM
People climb that cliff?
Post by: Mad Max on June 23, 2022, 07:18:36 PM
Post by: Longcruise on June 23, 2022, 09:02:22 PM
I reached my final limit of dealing with CA and tip overlays. Going back to epoxy.
Post by: onetone on June 23, 2022, 11:24:43 PM
Post by: Buemaker on June 24, 2022, 02:26:04 AM
Post by: Buggs on June 24, 2022, 08:26:35 AM
I would be praying and checking my pants, before, during and after that descent
Post by: Buggs on June 24, 2022, 11:21:01 PM
I didn't do squat :biglaugh:
It sure was a beautiful summer day though. Hope it was as nice for the rest of you all too!
Tomorrow I got some spraying to do
Post by: Mad Max on June 25, 2022, 11:48:59 AM
Post by: Buggs on June 25, 2022, 12:33:05 PM
My new fresh air supply respirator
I pulled all the intake/exhaust flaps off to get as much flow thru as possible. It works really well. It will be even better with a longer hose. Right now it almost has too much pressure and flow.
Honestly I don't know how anyone could sleep with one of these strapped to your face(not this mask). I have empathy for anybody with sleep apnea.
Post by: wood carver 2 on June 25, 2022, 01:02:59 PM
I paid a lot of money for a powered air filter helmet when I started getting sensitized to some types of wood.
Dave.
Post by: Buggs on June 25, 2022, 05:19:29 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on June 25, 2022, 05:46:32 PM
Sure beats spending $1500. 😉
Dave.
Post by: wood carver 2 on June 25, 2022, 05:50:33 PM
Dave.
Post by: Longcruise on June 25, 2022, 07:01:05 PM
Post by: flyonline on June 25, 2022, 07:35:53 PM
This morning I upcycled a CPAP machine. This was my Mother-in-law's. These things are hard to get rid of. You cant sell them cause they are prescription. You can give them to a recycler, but I would have to pay the shipping and then they are going to "refurbish" and sell it. Then I had an idea this morning.
My new fresh air supply respirator
I pulled all the intake/exhaust flaps off to get as much flow thru as possible. It works really well. It will be even better with a longer hose. Right now it almost has too much pressure and flow.
Honestly I don't know how anyone could sleep with one of these strapped to your face(not this mask). I have empathy for anybody with sleep apnea.
From one who wore one for nearly 10 years....
Yes they suck, but so did waking up with a splitting headache like a hangover every day. I've since learnt to sleep in a better position and only wear it when it's really cold or dry so I don't get a sore throat.
A few observations from experience :dunno:
1. Your tube and mask will get damp and musty, you will probably need to clean/sterilise it occasionally (hot soapy water or I used 96% ethanol spray)
2. Make sure you keep it well away from any dust and dirt when not in use because of above, or you'll end up with gunk up your tube :laughing: :laughing:
3. Having a mask wrenched off your face can be painful if the tube gets caught, it might pay to do something like the SCBA gear and run a hose to a belt mount/connector and then onto your air outlet (machine, fixed pipe, whatever). That way you could also disconnect if you need to temporarily without having to take it off
4. If the airflow is too much, you should be able to add an inline valve to restrict it. They're built to work against your out breath as well, so a bit of pressure shouldn't hurt it
When I first saw your post I thought it was about making a vacuum pump (I used an asthma nebuliser for a vacuum pump).
Steve
Post by: Buggs on June 25, 2022, 08:24:55 PM
My main reason for this setup is to get my breathing air sourced away from my painting space. The two component finishes are so nasty, I can smell them even with with a fresh vapor cartridge. The hose attachment to the mask is a friction fit, so it pulls off a little too easy. I will need to have a strain relief, probably a strap at belt level. Hopefully I won't be dragging it too far, 6' max for any horizontal work.
I doubt I will use this for dusty work. I've got pretty good collection and filtration in my shop. I usually wear a half mask with the pink P100 filter discs.
I could probably use a vacuum pump to suck out some of my hot air :)
Post by: Jeff tech on June 26, 2022, 06:33:55 PM
Post by: Mad Max on June 26, 2022, 08:27:23 PM
Post by: Buggs on June 27, 2022, 10:37:28 AM
I know tooling and finishing are not the glamorous part of bowyering, but we all have to do it.
I've been using this polishing compound after rubbing out cured finishes. If you like high gloss finishes, it's worth taking one more step. I decided to see if it would work on the plastic lens of the respirator. The lens was not really scratched, more like foggy from being rubbed. It worked! So much better now. I was really aggressive too. I used a lot of pressure and speed.
I forgot to add that I waxed the lens also. I discovered it can help the plastic from getting scratched (bad example^). You can't use furniture wax, it's too soft, but most hard car waxes would work.
Post by: Mad Max on June 27, 2022, 05:44:48 PM
Let us know how it works out when spraying finish. :thumbsup:
Post by: Longcruise on June 27, 2022, 07:20:25 PM
Post by: Kirkll on June 27, 2022, 07:31:33 PM
Where is Kirk?
I for one have been building bows….among other things. Today I’m working on getting a 3000# boat off a trailer single handed. Well I am using both hands, but I’m doing it alone. :biglaugh:
I spent the morning checking with my neighbor up the road on welding schedule, and then got the cribbing supports set under the stern/transom. I’ve got it jacked up and supported nicely under the motor mount stringers. This boat has a 4.3 liter V6 in it, so supporting it in the right place and distributing the weight is critical to doing this without damaging the hull.
Now I know the question is…. Why on earth are you pulling the boat off the trailer?
Well actually…I’m not…... I’m pulling the trailer out from under the boat so I can give it some TLC and some paint. It’s an old trailer that needs a bunch of work, and isn’t the stock trailer either. I’m going to extend the bunks supporting the boat properly , and change the bow stop roller assembly so I can drive the boat right up on the trailer. Right now it’s a pain in the arse to get on the trailer, and I don’t like how it’s supported at all. Not trailer pics yet, but here are some bow pics. Kirk
https://photos.app.goo.gl/VjtCzNW32U5RaP9H9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/678caRPFPP9awcGX8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JDuNb6dsoUapTjLW6
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on June 27, 2022, 09:28:43 PM
Glued up a new set of limbs for a 60" takedown bow. Just black glass, cherry core, maple back and belly and Ipe wedge.
Added a longer wedge and some thin tip wedges to my existing formula for 42 lbs. I did add .003" to the core lamb.
Would love to end up in the mid fourties.....but this may end up being a He Man Woman Haters Beast... My son wants a 50 lb bow and this may be his. Trying to shorten up the working section of the limbs and if it will do 29" before stacking and be under 50 lbs, I will be happy.
Post by: Kirkll on June 28, 2022, 10:48:17 AM
Here ya go…. Kirk
https://www.ifish.net/threads/trailer-duty.1656044/#post-16808923
Post by: Buggs on June 28, 2022, 03:31:59 PM
Post by: Kirkll on June 29, 2022, 12:47:03 AM
You do bow fishing tours or something?
Not tours…. But bow fishing is a hoot when the carp are spawning. I mostly fish salmon and trout. But bass fishing happens now and then too.
I just traded a bow for a couple very nice custom salmon rods. These custom rods go for about $400, so it was a pretty even trade. This is the first time I’ve ever had a fancy custom rod built. I had one built for my wife for her birthday present, and it went over very well. I just got mine the other day, and haven’t used it yet. The rod blank is a hybrid mix of carbon and glass. Seriously strong, but light as a feather. You can actually feel that fish grab your lure or bait. It’s WAY different than a typical glass rod.
Kirk
Post by: Buggs on June 29, 2022, 11:25:45 AM
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It truly is better to give than receive :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Crooked Stic on June 29, 2022, 01:33:12 PM
Glue and plywood getting too expensive just to play hobby stuff now days.
And smooth on took another jump. Don't know if any of the other epoxy may be cheaper??
Post by: Longcruise on June 29, 2022, 02:12:12 PM
Post by: Mad Max on June 29, 2022, 04:03:58 PM
What a pain in the back side to take apart, Went back together easy.
Post by: Buggs on June 29, 2022, 04:06:19 PM
:wanting to try something new.I use Pro-Set. By the gallon, it works out to about $1. per oz, with shipping. The cheapest epoxy is going to be the one that you can source locally. Shipping costs are a B!$%#
Glue and plywood getting too expensive just to play hobby stuff now days.
And smooth on took another jump. Don't know if any of the other epoxy may be cheaper??
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on June 29, 2022, 07:29:03 PM
Post by: Buggs on June 29, 2022, 07:47:11 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on June 29, 2022, 10:09:54 PM
Post by: Kirkll on June 30, 2022, 01:25:05 AM
Are you using an air hose system for laying those up? Kirk
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on June 30, 2022, 05:45:36 AM
Yes , air hose. I will post pics after cleaning up and will mic them as well. They mic'd dead nuts in the stack.
Post by: Crooked Stic on June 30, 2022, 07:12:30 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 01, 2022, 07:29:22 AM
Hopefully I can work that out on the tiller board.
Spent yesterday evening figuring out how I did that and then kicking myself for lack of quality control in such a critical stage.
Turns out my lam sander adjustment nob will "self rotate' due to vibration during the long lam sands. Going to make a nylon nut to use as a locking device...
Great eye Kirk! I will post pics on the tiller board hopefully this weekend.
Post by: Buggs on July 01, 2022, 12:00:55 PM
They mic'd dead nuts in the stack.
Sound like you need a new micrometer or glasses ;)
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 01, 2022, 12:24:06 PM
Post by: Longcruise on July 01, 2022, 02:45:02 PM
Not as much character as expected. It does show much better wet.
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Post by: Mad Max on July 01, 2022, 07:07:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/cpEbSZu.jpg)
2 Shoshone Big Horns in the workings
(https://i.imgur.com/x1FChFN.jpg)
Bocote veneers from KennyM
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Post by: Buggs on July 01, 2022, 08:11:11 PM
Today (and yesterday and probably tomorrow :laughing: ) I'm contemplating this ebiara. Shows a lot of porosity after the first whiskering. First time with this wood so any finishing tips appreciated!
Not as much character as expected. It does show much better wet.
You going to seal and fill? Not familiar with that wood and it porosity. If it is porous, you could use a contrasting pore filler to add visual interest.
Post by: Longcruise on July 01, 2022, 09:02:12 PM
Today (and yesterday and probably tomorrow :laughing: ) I'm contemplating this ebiara. Shows a lot of porosity after the first whiskering. First time with this wood so any finishing tips appreciated!
Not as much character as expected. It does show much better wet.
You going to seal and fill? Not familiar with that wood and it porosity. If it is porous, you could use a contrasting pore filler to add visual interest.
The contrasting sealer might be good. I'm kinda rethinking it and maybe seal with clear shellac cut 50-50.
Heres a wet look.
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Post by: Kirkll on July 01, 2022, 11:14:45 PM
He has good eyes! Got it cleaned up and profiled. It is 5 though thicker in one area about 8 inches long :dunno:
Hopefully I can work that out on the tiller board.
Spent yesterday evening figuring out how I did that and then kicking myself for lack of quality control in such a critical stage.
Turns out my lam sander adjustment nob will "self rotate' due to vibration during the long lam sands. Going to make a nylon nut to use as a locking device...
Great eye Kirk! I will post pics on the tiller board hopefully this weekend.
I don’t know what system you use for grinding lams, or what type of drum sander or edge sander you are using. But getting nice consistency in your lams is a must.
I use a drum sander , and all my sleds are precision machined aluminum. Believe it or not you can still screw up lams if you mix and match different runs. I typically mill 20-40 .001 and .0015 at the same time. This covers my RC and hybrid designs. my Flatliner takes a pair of .002 lams and I mill a bunch of those at the same time too.
The trick to precise thicknesses is getting your lams close, and flipping them every pass, and running them in the same location on the conveyor belt. The last pass through I flip the lam again without changing the depth.
Good fresh 36-40 grit paper helps a lot, and cleaning the paper now and then with a giant eraser…. What ever they call those.
Loaded up sand paper, a booger on your conveyor belt, or even sawdust under your sled can make a .05 difference in a short section of your lam.
Once you start coming in within a 1/4” tiller difference every time, you got it down….. from what I see in that photo, you could have as much as 1.5” difference top and bottom. Kirk
Post by: Mad Max on July 02, 2022, 07:48:36 AM
I use 80 grit
EA-40 website said 120
Post by: Kirkll on July 02, 2022, 09:37:28 AM
On sanding glass and carbon, I did use 80 grit when I was building a lot of carbon limbs. It worked well sanding the foam cores too. but I quit messing with that stuff. Totally unnecessary for building high performance bows.
You’ll find some guys that will argue about needing a smoother surface with epoxy and no need for “tooth”, but I disagree with that theory, and have had many years of trouble free success with using heavy grit on laminations. Kirk
Post by: Buggs on July 02, 2022, 10:03:50 AM
You’ll find some guys that will argue about needing a smoother surface with epoxy and no need for “tooth”, but I disagree with that theory, and have had many years of trouble free success with using heavy grit on laminations. Kirk
That myth has been debunked over and over, in fact it was discussed and debunked in a thread you started;
https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=178730.0
Post by: B-JS on July 02, 2022, 04:11:21 PM
Post by: Kirkll on July 03, 2022, 01:34:42 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 03, 2022, 09:31:54 AM
Carried the wedge to far into the curve and too thick. Started stacking at 20 inches.
Was 35 at brace height.
Going to fix the adjustment nut on my lam grinder and for another try.
Also have new form screwed and glued together and may cut it today for a different profile limb with more of a straight section before the curve.
Post by: Kirkll on July 03, 2022, 11:40:22 AM
It would help you a bit laying the limb pads at a steeper angle, but then you will end up with a 8-9” brace.
I like the looks of those nice long fades though…. If it flattened out a bit, say about 4-5”before going into the reflexed tips. You would have a much more manageable working section that provides better stability and give you a much longer draw length before the graph starts curving up again….
Honestly I don’t think you are going to be happy with that limb shape.
I’ll be interested seeing what your new form shape looks like. Kirk
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 03, 2022, 11:53:05 AM
Flat oart of wedge on the back or belly. I have done all mine with the long flat part on the back and the taper which starts after the limb pad on the belly.
Make any difference?
Post by: Kirkll on July 03, 2022, 04:45:47 PM
Post by: Mad Max on July 03, 2022, 04:53:12 PM
Flat oart of wedge on the back or belly. I have done all mine with the long flat part on the back and the taper which starts after the limb pad on the belly.
Make any difference?
Most wedges the flat part is on the back and the taper on the belly. :thumbsup:
The way kirk makes his it doesn't matter :thumbsup:
I have made some that where a straight taper also
Post by: wood carver 2 on July 03, 2022, 05:48:54 PM
Nasa, we have a problem…
Anyone think that this can be repaired?
Dave.
Post by: Kirkll on July 03, 2022, 06:34:52 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on July 03, 2022, 06:47:22 PM
Dave.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 04, 2022, 09:50:22 AM
Setting up for fireworks in Mother nature's amphitheater. Mt Sterling NC directly in fron and Mt Camrer TN in far background. Setup our RV down at my shop on the mountain this weekend
Post by: Buggs on July 04, 2022, 10:20:25 AM
Post by: Kirkll on July 04, 2022, 11:26:08 AM
Good to see something get back to normal again after all this Covid crap….
Kirk
Post by: Buggs on July 07, 2022, 08:23:19 AM
Post by: Longcruise on July 07, 2022, 11:01:36 AM
It seems there is a mystery editor/censor lurking around here??
What?????
Post by: Mad Max on July 07, 2022, 11:56:31 AM
Post by: Kirkll on July 07, 2022, 12:53:36 PM
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gpuQcCV5qNCHCSM99
Kirk
Post by: Longcruise on July 07, 2022, 03:25:41 PM
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Post by: Buggs on July 07, 2022, 06:55:03 PM
If you post the wrong content it can get edited
Yeah, I was having too much fun with those Tagua things. :smileystooges:
Man, those Raspberries look so good!! I have no self control when it come to fresh picked berries
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 09, 2022, 09:05:06 PM
It started stacking at 28 so I brought the start of the taper back towards the limb butt. Now it draws pretty linear to 30 then stacks. Perfect for me.
I need to get the vertical grids added to my draw board and change lights. It casts a shadow on one side making it look off.
46# at 28" same as my hunting bow. It started out at 51 before I started thinning the profile of the taper.
Post by: Pat B on July 10, 2022, 12:05:06 AM
Post by: Shredd on July 10, 2022, 01:57:23 AM
Limb #2. Lengthened the straight part by 1.5" Stopped the fades right past the start of the curve. Dropped stack thickness and hit weight!
It started stacking at 28 so I brought the start of the taper back towards the limb butt. Now it draws pretty linear to 30 then stacks. Perfect for me.
I need to get the vertical grids added to my draw board and change lights. It casts a shadow on one side making it look off.
46# at 28" same as my hunting bow. It started out at 51 before I started thinning the profile of the taper.
No wonder you like that other guys bow... :laugh: Do a speed test on it...
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 10, 2022, 08:43:55 AM
Post by: Buggs on July 10, 2022, 09:04:09 AM
Was this limb profile the result what you were trying to achieve?
Post by: Shredd on July 10, 2022, 10:05:10 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 10, 2022, 11:18:41 AM
Wanted to push the working portion out a d see what it dies for speed.
Here it is after some work this morning. Going to shoot it over chrono this afternoon.
Ended up 44-45 lbs.
Post by: B-JS on July 10, 2022, 12:11:53 PM
I'd say thats a short working limb for a Hybrid.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 10, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
To exceed 90 degree string angle the draw would have to be like 32". This is as much of an experiment as anything and made for my draw length of 27". Will probably go to my son who is 28". The next set of limbs I want to make the wedges thinner so it works a little more. These are .400" . Will drop to about 350 and keep the same length. That will thin them over a longer area.
This is only the 5th set of limbs I have made, so I am sure there will be several more that will be simply learning experiences. That is fine by me because then it erases all doubt when something works or does not.
Post by: Shredd on July 10, 2022, 12:30:34 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 10, 2022, 01:00:00 PM
I am wanting to get north of 180. Already have 175 out of this form. Just playing with wedges, and where I start and stop them.
These limbs are probably the most vertically stable of any I own! Mine or anyone else's!
When I had more curve and less straight part they were la lot ess stable.
I read your advice and a lot of others as well. I do this because I enjoy it and I can!
I may or may not follow your path or anyone else's. I do not get upset when it does not work out. Yes, you probably could have said, " WELL I TRIED TO TELL YOU!"
But then I might still be wondering why? Was the first bow you made or even the 5th perfect?
I got lots of crazy ideas I want to try. A lot will not work and then maybe I will now why.
Do not get offended if I do not follow your path or advice and I will not get upset when my path does not work.
I have always loved to tinker and this scratches that itch.
No offense please, I am just having fun trying what's in my head, not necessarily anyone else's. If it works great, if not, does not bother me at all.
Post by: Shredd on July 10, 2022, 02:06:49 PM
By the way my first 8 bows were failures mostly because I didn't even know about forums back then... :banghead: You are way ahead of the game... :thumbsup: Like Max said, "Rookie of the Year"...
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 10, 2022, 07:23:57 PM
184,182,181. I need an honest shooting machine though. I draw 27 so I have to mark an arrow with a sharpie and try for that extra inch. Not alway repeatable trying to watch the mark on the riser and not hit my chrono.
Post by: Longcruise on July 10, 2022, 08:26:34 PM
I achieved my goal! 10gpi and over 180 at 28".
184,182,181. I need an honest shooting machine though. I draw 27 so I have to mark an arrow with a sharpie and try for that extra inch. Not alway repeatable trying to watch the mark on the riser and not hit my chrono.
Low stretch or B50/B55?
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 10, 2022, 08:49:11 PM
Post by: Shredd on July 10, 2022, 09:15:38 PM
Post by: Buggs on July 11, 2022, 09:24:51 AM
Crazy ideas are the seeds of invention.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 11, 2022, 09:59:58 PM
Going to try my first I beam using the wenge.
Got some nice canary wood for the limb veneers.
Post by: Mad Max on July 12, 2022, 08:19:52 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 12, 2022, 08:27:50 AM
Post by: Buggs on July 12, 2022, 08:31:33 AM
Post by: Pat B on July 12, 2022, 09:31:48 AM
Post by: Mark R on July 12, 2022, 01:19:35 PM
Post by: Shredd on July 12, 2022, 07:10:13 PM
Post by: Shredd on July 12, 2022, 07:39:20 PM
Ken don't try to reinvent the wheel, act on experienced sound advice, different Bow designs have been around for thousands of years with all kinds of materials, I think Shredd and others myself included have all been there and don't want you wasting time money and material on things we have tried and pretty much know are not worth while, but I guess you'll have to find out for yourself like the rest of us :biglaugh:
Mark, let him roll... I think I got a change of heart on this... I may have learned something new... Something I wondered about... The speed is good... (yah got lucky) :tongue: What I do question is such a short working area, and will it fatigue and fail over time...
I am planning to make it up there (NC) at the end of summer to look for property and do some shop talk wit da Hillbilly... Maybe bring my ratchet tree for some dfc's & my shoot machine to keep it honest... :goldtooth:
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 12, 2022, 08:47:05 PM
My next set of limbs will have much thinner wedges to try to get a little longer working section.
I shot it a bunch today and I need to check draw weight again. Either I have gotten weak or it is heavier than I think. Although I have not shot hardly any in a month....
Going to the shop tomorrow evening, I will put a ruler on the draw board and take pics every couple inches.
Honestly, it could blow up tomorrow and time will tell.
One departure on this over my other limbs was this is 40 thou glass instead of 50. I was out of 50 and took a guess on stack to adjust
Post by: Mad Max on July 12, 2022, 09:07:47 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 14, 2022, 08:50:37 AM
Post by: Mad Max on July 14, 2022, 10:27:35 AM
I’ll post pictures later today
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 14, 2022, 10:41:35 AM
Post by: B-JS on July 15, 2022, 02:01:54 PM
2 Sets of ILF Recurve Limbs. 19" Riser - medium Limbs - 62" bow - 333gn Arrow 28-29ish draw.
Carbon/Bamboo MK-Archery with 37,5#@28" 195-200fps
Glas/Foam Bosen-Bows with 40#@28" 180-185fps
And my bow-building-kit-recurve-prototype...
60" bow 27,5#@28", 29#@29" also drawn 28-29"ish.
300gn Arrow - 180fps
230gn Arrow - 200+fps
Funny Little bow.
Prototype is build with no Taper.
Design was with Taper - so i need to build one more with Taper, to see If it will perform better with.
Post by: wood carver 2 on July 15, 2022, 03:58:37 PM
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These are from one tree that was slowly dying. The larger one is 19” in diameter.
Nice for a tamarack. I can’t wait to get it on the saw and see what’s inside… 🙂
I wonder if it’s any good for bows.
Dave.
Post by: Mad Max on July 15, 2022, 05:23:27 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/jlmPl8t.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BWorUCh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8hUzpQE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/96rF2Q4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0Q32xR1.jpg)
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 15, 2022, 06:15:38 PM
Post by: Mad Max on July 15, 2022, 07:04:44 PM
Wow, gorgeous wood combo! Nice.
I made that in 2017.
That one is Cocobolo Canary Cocobolo and I still have the Canary Cocobolo Canary riser blank.
Post by: Jeff tech on July 16, 2022, 04:49:17 PM
Post by: Jeff tech on July 16, 2022, 04:50:53 PM
Post by: Buggs on July 18, 2022, 01:14:14 PM
Got covid!! Let me tell you it sucks. I was reluctant to get shots and booster, but very glad I did. Cant imagine how back it would be otherwise.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 18, 2022, 09:55:17 PM
Post by: Pat B on July 18, 2022, 10:31:31 PM
Post by: Longcruise on July 18, 2022, 10:42:08 PM
Leftover wood from my riser and limbs I just cut out. Charcuterie board. Hate letting exotic wood go for scraps. Black Limba, Canary, wenge/bamboo stripes.
For a Hillbilly you sure throw some fancy words around. What n the heck is a "Charcuterie board". :biglaugh:
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 19, 2022, 05:26:18 AM
Buggs, hope you get well soon! Wife and I both have had both shots and boosters and we sre the only ones we know that have been covid free. I have had 2 coworkers my age die from covid!
Post by: Mad Max on July 19, 2022, 07:20:31 AM
Leftover wood from my riser and limbs I just cut out. Charcuterie board. Hate letting exotic wood go for scraps. Black Limba, Canary, wenge/bamboo stripes.
Nice serving tray.
Over/underlays for the riser.
(https://i.imgur.com/vOX297i.jpg)
Post by: Buggs on July 19, 2022, 12:20:37 PM
You make some fine looking bows, Mad Max :thumbsup:
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 19, 2022, 03:19:51 PM
Post by: Longcruise on July 19, 2022, 06:08:31 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on July 19, 2022, 06:24:27 PM
You make some fine looking bows, Mad Max :thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
Post by: kennym on July 19, 2022, 09:08:12 PM
I blew a tire on my bandsaw right after putting a new blade on. So ordered a pair, gal told me they were supposed to be 31.00, but on the order place ,said 19.00 . I said whatever you need to do, I gotta have em, she says " I guess they are on sale" LOL :laughing:
What a sweetie!! :bigsmyl:
Post by: onetone on July 19, 2022, 09:18:32 PM
Post by: kennym on July 19, 2022, 09:47:43 PM
Post by: Buggs on July 20, 2022, 11:18:02 AM
You must be cutting a whole lot of material all the time!
Post by: kennym on July 20, 2022, 12:56:21 PM
Griz GO513X2F 17"
Post by: Mad Max on July 22, 2022, 04:28:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3zigx82.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wE76U7f.jpg)
White--Riser block 15 1/4" long
Blue--Riser shape
Red-- cut and sand flat on red line
Yellow-- Slide out to 9 1/8" each side and glue back together for a 18" Riser.
4/4 board 4" wide of Honduras Rosewood, Resaw to .750 + thick and save off fall for veneers, cut on the angle and run them threw the thickness sander flat and glue back together, riser will be 1-1/2" wide so I have plenty for overlays and maybe veneers.
(https://i.imgur.com/2OF8X5O.jpg)
Post by: Kirkll on July 23, 2022, 09:34:00 AM
I suppose the limb bolts would eliminate any strength issue. You could even add an accent line putting it back together if you wanted.
Kirk
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 25, 2022, 07:04:34 AM
Laid up the first limb before I finished my coffee....got the maple on the back instead of the belly! Put the stack in the form upside down. So I had to do the other side to match. Straight taper wedge, action boo and maple with black glass
Post by: Mad Max on July 25, 2022, 08:07:42 AM
Got my drum sander somewhat trued up. Came out at 3 thou across the 22" span. Tedious work. Got riser and bow #6 ready to shape the limbs on. Really like how this riser trned out. I beam and then overlays to hide it are tedious!
Laid up the first limb before I finished my coffee....got the maple on the back instead of the belly! Put the stack in the form upside down. So I had to do the other side to match. Straight taper wedge, action boo and maple with black glass
I use to get in a hurry when gluing up the stack, you have plenty of time, so slow down and check all the boxes before you put it on the form.
you can write this side up also, over time all your little mistakes will go away. :thumbsup:
Kirk I thought about a accent there but decided not. I will see how it turns out.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 25, 2022, 08:16:41 AM
Post by: Mad Max on July 25, 2022, 08:38:05 AM
I am going to start writing the order of my stack on my glue up layout cover paper first thing! Also going to write it on my glass cover tape as well...this side up etc. I like how the straight tapers came out.
For a T/D Stack both of them up at the same time, then glue up the first one.
Post by: kennym on July 25, 2022, 09:49:35 AM
I also mark the show side of veneers by writing "out" at tip where it grinds off ... :thumbsup:
Post by: Kirkll on July 25, 2022, 11:31:30 AM
Got my drum sander somewhat trued up. Came out at 3 thou across the 22" span. Tedious work. Got riser and bow #6 ready to shape the limbs on. Really like how this riser trned out. I beam and then overlays to hide it are tedious!
Laid up the first limb before I finished my coffee....got the maple on the back instead of the belly! Put the stack in the form upside down. So I had to do the other side to match. Straight taper wedge, action boo and maple with black glass
Don’t feel too bad about the upside down thing bro. Every bowyer that has laid up glass bows has done this at one time or another. It’s very easy to do. It’s doing one right, and the other one upside down that I hate…. :banghead: :banghead:
I would encourage you to eliminate using masking tape on your glass before putting it in the form. It’s totally unnecessary bro. Just lay up your limbs, and wipe the glass clean before wrapping them in painters plastic. I used Saran Wrap when I first started, but like a thicker painters plastic better. The 4 mill is what I like best. I cut the plastic about 6” wide. Place the clean side down on the plastic, wipe the top side clean, and just use one fold over the top. After it goes in the form, I smooth out the plastic and place my pressure strip/heat strip on top, then fold the plastic back over the top, and zip tie it in place. This allows you to actually see the edge of the lams as they go into the form and check wedge alignment and stack sequence one more time too.
After it comes out of the form and you get the boogers knocked off the edges and ran through the drum sander for width, then use a couple short pieces of tape to lay out your boring and tip notch locations.
No more trying to surgically remove tape you have cooked on your limbs is a good thing…. Kirk
Post by: Buemaker on July 25, 2022, 02:20:28 PM
Post by: Kirkll on July 25, 2022, 04:03:11 PM
i tried this same approach using stable core as a backing material one time, and it came out fine.
But.... that was one butt ugly bow. :biglaugh: It got a camo paint job...
Kirk
Post by: Buemaker on July 25, 2022, 04:22:01 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on July 25, 2022, 06:13:31 PM
Got some more work done on my next riser. Still have a few more coats and sanding to get the Wenge buried. Black Limba, wenge and bloodwood accent.
Post by: Longcruise on July 25, 2022, 06:36:47 PM
More on the epoxy resin for the tip overlays Kirk! The transitions on my overlays are killing me.
Me too!!
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 25, 2022, 07:06:31 PM
Post by: kennym on July 25, 2022, 07:23:48 PM
Post by: Kirkll on July 25, 2022, 09:34:03 PM
I remember sending you Bjørn glass enough for one take down recurve a few years ago, did you try it?
Honestly…. I can’t remember bro… I think I would have reported back if I did. I’ll have to double check my lam bins and see if it’s still there. Kirk
Post by: Kirkll on July 25, 2022, 09:54:18 PM
More on the epoxy resin for the tip overlays Kirk! The transitions on my overlays are killing me!With tip overlays I never use epoxy. I use a thick CA made by starbond. I Used to use blue top impact resistant super glue too, but couldn’t get it in 16 ounce bottles. I also use Ca on my limb pad overlays and sometimes other thin overlays with excellent results. I shape the tip overlays to a razor edge before gluing them on, and wipe off any excess glue so I have no sanding at all.
https://goo.gl/photos/pSoJGRPiqC5cW1h4A
But the recurve limb overlays I use the same sled I grind my tip wedges and sand them to almost nothing at the tips. These are about . 040 to nothing in 8”. After gluing them to the limb with EA -40 , I coat the very top too. Then cover with plastic. Only sanding needed after it’s cured is the epoxy.
Here ya go. Here’s an old lay up clip I did showing the procedure.
https://youtu.be/uAMsgze0u7Y
Kirk
Post by: B-JS on July 30, 2022, 03:42:01 PM
But slowly, i get the laserthingeling tuned.
Post by: Buggs on July 31, 2022, 08:57:44 AM
Post by: Jeff tech on July 31, 2022, 11:51:08 AM
Post by: Mad Max on July 31, 2022, 06:55:56 PM
I managed to engrave a badge decent centered, after about 10 attempts. :biglaugh:
But slowly, i get the laserthingeling tuned.
Burn a hole in a piece of cardboard or something and set your medallion in the hole, done, centered :thumbsup: By the way nice work
Post by: Buggs on August 05, 2022, 09:13:51 AM
5G is a revelation for folks in rural locations.
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 05, 2022, 09:43:08 PM
Post by: B-JS on August 06, 2022, 09:45:38 AM
Less pressure and thick laquer as top Finish.
Should give a nice grip in the bow.
Post by: Mad Max on August 06, 2022, 10:12:47 AM
Post by: B-JS on August 06, 2022, 11:07:21 AM
Post by: Shredd on August 06, 2022, 11:12:45 AM
Post by: Mad Max on August 06, 2022, 11:23:29 AM
Post by: B-JS on August 06, 2022, 11:34:27 AM
The second Picture is my Personal bow.
Gave him the same Finish today
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 06, 2022, 04:05:40 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on August 06, 2022, 04:11:08 PM
Post by: Buggs on August 06, 2022, 07:50:28 PM
I like it :thumbsup:
Post by: Mad Max on August 06, 2022, 08:36:48 PM
I use Kyrstal dull top coat over lacquer. One wet coat of the dull then just back the pressure of to 10 psi. stand back about 20 inches it kind of splatters on a nice matte finish.
You could just mask off around the grip area and It might look cool :dunno:
Post by: Mad Max on August 07, 2022, 08:18:20 AM
Got some in the works....
What nock to nock can you get with those short risers?
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 07, 2022, 08:20:23 AM
Post by: Mad Max on August 07, 2022, 08:37:47 AM
Post by: B-JS on August 07, 2022, 12:02:48 PM
Got some in the works....
What nock to nock can you get with those short risers?
56" with medium Limbs
54" with Shorts
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on August 07, 2022, 01:09:51 PM
Afromosia and canary wood, Jatoba and Zebra Wood.
Post by: Mad Max on August 07, 2022, 04:51:42 PM
Got some in the works....
What nock to nock can you get with those short risers?
56" with medium Limbs
54" with Shorts
Cool
Post by: Buggs on August 08, 2022, 01:09:12 PM
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Got to love craigslist
Post by: Kirkll on August 08, 2022, 01:33:25 PM
Post by: Kirkll on August 08, 2022, 01:43:32 PM
Most finishers dread orange peel :o
I like it :thumbsup:
There is a difference between a splatter texture, a matte finish, and orange peel bro... Orange peel is caused by applying too much material with too much air pressure, and getting to close to the surface when spraying. looks like an orange peel.... I like a nice even matte finish myself like this one.
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Post by: Buggs on August 08, 2022, 01:53:42 PM
There is a difference between a splatter texture, a matte finish, and orange peel bro... Orange peel is caused by applying too much material with too much air pressure, and getting to close to the surface when spraying. looks like an orange peel.... I like a nice even matte finish myself like this one.
I'm surprised nobody is doing a hot solvent wrinkle finish :biglaugh: Talk about some texture!
The epoxy is actually a well known brand. It's 100% solids, so I can use it for variety of tasks. At 800cps, it will be good for laminating for sure. I will thicken it up with some powdered silica and do some adhesive testing.
It also sold as a coating, so maybe it can be thinned and sprayed as a sealer or base coat?
Just for perspective, 1.5 gallons of EA-40 would set you back $1.90 an ounce
1.5 gallons of MAX@Craigs set me back $ .18 an ounce
Not that I would suggest anybody substitute MAX for EA-40. But it's worth keeping your eyes open for good deals. At that price, I can afford to screw up.
That cost for EA-40 is before shipping, which should push it over $2.00 an ounce.
Post by: Kirkll on August 08, 2022, 03:46:04 PM
The EA-40 by the two gallon kit is the best price, but shipping is a factor. But I found a distributor on the west coast that isn’t too bad for shipping now.
I have purchased the 6 quart cases for years just for the convenience of using two quarts open at a time. Having two gallon containers open to the air is not a good thing in a small shop volume……But Now that I have this calking tube application going on, I’ll definitely go back to buying the 2 gallon kits and just fill a bunch of calking tubes. That is a very slick system. I usually go through about 3-4 gallons a year when I’m staying busy.
Kirk
Post by: onetone on August 08, 2022, 04:18:58 PM
Post by: Buggs on August 08, 2022, 05:17:41 PM
How will you be using that epoxy? That’s an amazing price!
I agree! I will for sure use it for hand layups, G-10 and such. I'm waiting for a TDS from the manufacturer.
Like to see the physical characteristics. First thing I am going to do is glue up some wood and glass lam scraps to abuse.
I was just curious…..That is a great price for epoxy. But I have no intention of experimenting with different epoxy on high quality custom bows.
No worries, I had no intention of giving you any of my epoxy horde :biglaugh:
Post by: Mad Max on August 08, 2022, 06:11:32 PM
I was just curious…..That is a great price for epoxy. But I have no intention of experimenting with different epoxy on high quality custom bows.
The EA-40 by the two gallon kit is the best price, but shipping is a factor. But I found a distributor on the west coast that isn’t too bad for shipping now.
I have purchased the 6 quart cases for years just for the convenience of using two quarts open at a time. Having two gallon containers open to the air is not a good thing in a small shop volume……But Now that I have this calking tube application going on, I’ll definitely go back to buying the 2 gallon kits and just fill a bunch of calking tubes. That is a very slick system. I usually go through about 3-4 gallons a year when I’m staying busy.
Kirk
Just spray this stuff in the gallon cans and close the lid.
The can seems empty when you get it.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PN45KW2?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
Post by: Kirkll on August 08, 2022, 09:29:57 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on August 08, 2022, 09:35:33 PM
Post by: Buggs on August 09, 2022, 09:02:58 AM
Post by: Kirkll on August 09, 2022, 09:35:43 AM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on August 09, 2022, 09:40:12 AM
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Post by: Buggs on August 09, 2022, 06:45:47 PM
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Actually it looks like Margarine. It leveled out fine, but its taking a long time to tack off. As dusty as my shop is, it's going to look like a relief map by the time it cures :tongue:
Material cost: $0.72
Post by: Mad Max on August 09, 2022, 07:06:50 PM
Post by: Pat B on August 10, 2022, 12:05:19 PM
I cut out the back and side profiles on the bandsaw and brought it down to the lines with a farrier's rasp, Nicholson #49 and a scraper. Worked up quite a sweat. Now I remember why I prefer winter for bow making but I'll just suffer along with it. :thumbsup:
Post by: Buggs on August 10, 2022, 12:31:26 PM
Well its real hard and has a nice gloss, but it looks like a hair, fur and sandstorm blew thru last night
Thats OK, its getting polished and sealed. I won't use this encopoxy as a surface coat again, unless I build a Cleanroom first! It sagged a little on the sides and shrunk away from the edges a little, so its definitely not a Gel Coat.
Next will be adhesive strength testing, caveman style
Post by: Pat B on August 10, 2022, 04:04:25 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CfhgthE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VBdP46H.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Am3xFvH.jpg)
Post by: Longcruise on August 10, 2022, 04:56:15 PM
Here's a few pics. Not much to see yet but I'm about ready to start reducing the limbs and get them bending.
(https://i.imgur.com/CfhgthE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VBdP46H.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Am3xFvH.jpg)
I'm kinda excited about this. Been craving more ever since Bue posted.
A little sacrilege along with this but id like to do a glass lam bow in this flavor. Probably just another one of my rabbit holes! :biglaugh:
Post by: Pat B on August 10, 2022, 06:02:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8IcbwuW.jpg)
Post by: Mad Max on August 10, 2022, 07:06:05 PM
Post by: Longcruise on August 10, 2022, 08:52:28 PM
Mark posted this drawing and it's what I was using for a model. I think he got the dimensions from what Bue posted and I think Mark made a glass version or he was talking about it.
(https://i.imgur.com/8IcbwuW.jpg)
So, if I'm interpreting the photo correctly it is 5" wide at the widest? Or, are these in cm?
Post by: Longcruise on August 10, 2022, 08:55:28 PM
Post by: Pat B on August 10, 2022, 10:44:24 PM
I think I'll start another thread for this bow. Don't want to hog this thread.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on August 12, 2022, 08:33:13 AM
Post by: Mad Max on August 12, 2022, 08:48:02 AM
Your doing a fine job too :clapper:
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on August 12, 2022, 08:58:54 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 12, 2022, 03:01:42 PM
seems pretty peepy sofar.
(https://i.imgur.com/xmDf7uY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tuBeog1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jlbsm5Z.jpg)
Post by: Mad Max on August 12, 2022, 07:09:46 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 13, 2022, 06:47:06 PM
Post by: mmattockx on August 13, 2022, 07:18:50 PM
On another forum some said the tips looked stiff.
:biglaugh:
The bend and string angle look excellent. Is that at 28" draw? How long is it?
Mark
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 13, 2022, 09:02:19 PM
Post by: BO-R on August 14, 2022, 09:09:30 AM
what is the taper rate?
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 14, 2022, 03:50:56 PM
Post by: Mad Max on August 14, 2022, 07:15:52 PM
Post by: Buggs on August 15, 2022, 01:49:52 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on August 15, 2022, 03:59:46 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 15, 2022, 10:21:46 PM
Organized somewhat. Always seems the floor needs cleaning.
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 19, 2022, 04:25:29 PM
Both riser colors are stable and dyed maple. Quartersawn sycamore front and charcoal belly veneers.
(https://i.imgur.com/hjdsjtx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fwPPYVb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/72HUiLa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/b5IKWrL.jpg)
Post by: Mad Max on August 19, 2022, 04:47:12 PM
Post by: 4 point on August 27, 2022, 10:28:46 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/RBvxeqE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LKbA6O9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1AwH0AI.jpg)
Post by: Buggs on August 28, 2022, 10:34:02 AM
What woods did you use?
I can relate to the mess. If I cant take more than three steps in any direction without having to go sideways or over something, it's time to redd up the shop!
Post by: onetone on August 28, 2022, 10:55:30 AM
Post by: 4 point on August 28, 2022, 02:19:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/mC0wYpv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2bSmOnf.jpg)
Post by: Mad Max on August 28, 2022, 06:40:08 PM
Nice bow :bigsmyl:
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 29, 2022, 07:13:07 PM
Apple ?? Must be some of them Crab apple veneers from PA :laughing:
Post by: 4 point on August 29, 2022, 11:03:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/nn4iizM.jpg)
Post by: Buggs on August 29, 2022, 11:10:57 PM
Post by: 4 point on August 29, 2022, 11:21:25 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on August 30, 2022, 07:24:41 AM
Post by: Mad Max on August 30, 2022, 04:25:39 PM
I like the belly skin too.
Timber Rattler, 7 rattles
(https://i.imgur.com/VK6Axuj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/80zhLw4.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on August 30, 2022, 05:33:55 PM
Hey Stickypops, I caught that remark.. lol
Nice rattler skin Mark..
Post by: Shredd on August 30, 2022, 06:25:59 PM
Post by: 4 point on August 30, 2022, 10:27:11 PM
Post by: 4 point on August 30, 2022, 10:30:06 PM
Post by: Kirkll on August 31, 2022, 09:32:14 PM
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High density Chromaply , Bare Foot B riser, #2 limbs.
Post by: onetone on September 01, 2022, 12:12:46 AM
Post by: Buemaker on September 01, 2022, 07:10:54 AM
Post by: Mad Max on September 01, 2022, 08:19:35 AM
The rectangle is a drill jig with drill bushings, drill 4 holes in you riser blocks.
The bottom 2 are sanding pattern, put 1 block on A with dowel pins and the other block on B, mark the the curved lines and cut on the bandsaw and pattern sand each, glue them back together and do it again.
(https://i.imgur.com/dBp0G2w.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vP3NFhd.jpg)
Using 2 different kinds of wood make 2 at a time.
I did NOT use a drill jig for this one.
First round
(https://i.imgur.com/Xf6TJl1.jpg)
Second round
(https://i.imgur.com/W0FSTVh.jpg)
Post by: Kirkll on September 01, 2022, 08:50:08 AM
How do use those holes in both riser glue-ups?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/scEiShF9j2gmqR139
Post by: Mad Max on September 01, 2022, 08:57:46 AM
Post by: Mark R on September 01, 2022, 11:17:03 AM
Post by: onetone on September 01, 2022, 12:00:00 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 01, 2022, 04:31:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Mt43WIK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5Kdo1DC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iaX7QRC.jpg)
Post by: onetone on September 01, 2022, 04:58:03 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 01, 2022, 05:18:02 PM
That’s a wild riser Stic! I like it.
X2 :bigsmyl:
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 01, 2022, 08:24:54 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 01, 2022, 10:30:13 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 02, 2022, 06:11:56 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 02, 2022, 07:11:35 AM
Post by: Buggs on September 02, 2022, 01:05:09 PM
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I also have used it while spraying 2k clear. Had to move it out of the room. Discovered 3/4" CPVC is a perfect friction fit with the stock fittings. Still pumped enough air with an extra 15' of rigid pipe, that I could not smell any finish
Post by: Kirkll on September 02, 2022, 03:47:23 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 02, 2022, 03:51:23 PM
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Q3z3ob8A1CuEJUTi9
Post by: Mad Max on September 02, 2022, 06:27:27 PM
I milled another twin riser to that last one and got some limbs mounted this morning. The mill work on these things are a bit intense.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Q3z3ob8A1CuEJUTi9
Nice :thumbsup:
Post by: onetone on September 02, 2022, 07:42:13 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 02, 2022, 08:59:47 PM
Nice bow Kirk. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I am wondering how you used the holes in both riser blanks pictured a few clicks back?
I posted some pictures and Kirk gave a link to his pictures at the top of this page. :thumbsup:
Post by: Mad Max on September 02, 2022, 09:04:53 PM
I decided to make some more.
Cocobolo and Bocote
(https://i.imgur.com/3WFcz3o.jpg)
Glue up tomorrow
(https://i.imgur.com/q2zXvEr.jpg)
Post by: onetone on September 02, 2022, 10:35:21 PM
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I posted some pictures and Kirk gave a link to his pictures at the top of this page :thumbsup:Thanks Max. Got it!
Post by: Longcruise on September 03, 2022, 05:31:44 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on September 03, 2022, 05:52:25 PM
Post by: onetone on September 03, 2022, 10:26:35 PM
Post by: Buggs on September 04, 2022, 08:30:07 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 04, 2022, 08:34:26 AM
You are very lucky to live out there..
Post by: Mad Max on September 04, 2022, 09:11:58 AM
Post by: Shredd on September 04, 2022, 10:32:50 AM
Post by: Longcruise on September 04, 2022, 12:33:17 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 04, 2022, 01:20:32 PM
I made these pattern sanding jigs 6/7 years ago and made a few veneers back then.
I decided to make some more.
Cocobolo and Bocote
(https://i.imgur.com/3WFcz3o.jpg)
Glue up tomorrow
(https://i.imgur.com/q2zXvEr.jpg)
those classic S scarf joints are very popular in boat building. I have a few router jigs set up like that myself ive used for years. I like your mosaics in that joint. Kirk
Post by: Mad Max on September 04, 2022, 05:22:04 PM
I will finish up all the veneers tomorrow and I may glue up another board for more.
2 finished
(https://i.imgur.com/QJWMVFG.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 04, 2022, 05:57:33 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on September 04, 2022, 07:58:51 PM
Post by: onetone on September 04, 2022, 08:41:37 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 04, 2022, 09:00:54 PM
Nice contrast and accent! How many veneers will you get from that glue up? You use a bandsaw to cut them?
I don't know yet, I think 14, with the kerf at .040 it adds up fast
I'm trying a new way of resawing and grinding.
4 machines
Edge sander--flatten the side of the billet to take out saw marks
band saw-- resaw to .045--- only 4 so far, going to try to go thinner .040/.038 tomorrow.
baby drum sander to .035-- 1 pass
hog sander to .030--1 pass--hog sander takes out the snipe.
I fiddled around with the pressure rollers the other day and made it better on the Baby Drum sander.
Keep doing those steps
Post by: 4 point on September 05, 2022, 12:47:21 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 05, 2022, 07:19:08 AM
LMAO
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Post by: Mad Max on September 05, 2022, 07:41:00 AM
Post by: Pat B on September 05, 2022, 09:05:27 AM
Post by: Mad Max on September 05, 2022, 11:02:49 AM
Post by: Shredd on September 05, 2022, 11:14:39 AM
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on September 05, 2022, 03:19:13 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 05, 2022, 04:28:08 PM
Not big enough, is it.... :bigsmyl:
I ended up with 18 veneers, I guess I forgot the first 4, so I did make a mistake Pat :tongue:
Post by: Kirkll on September 05, 2022, 10:24:04 PM
Bet ya had to do a lot of rubbing with that magic rub...
I wonder if that thing would work on an arthritic thumb joint? I could use some magic rub today.... this finish sanding is killing me....
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Post by: Mad Max on September 05, 2022, 10:41:31 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 05, 2022, 11:00:21 PM
Just for fun......I did one other slight alteration in these limbs.... Can anyone spot the difference between my SS RC or other Bare RC limbs i've built? i'll be curious to hear what you see.
Post by: Pat B on September 06, 2022, 12:25:59 AM
Post by: Buemaker on September 06, 2022, 02:48:47 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 06, 2022, 05:02:22 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on September 06, 2022, 07:05:13 AM
It has full end grain overlays on belly and back and carbon fiber end caps. I reduced the grip size a little as well.
Post by: Mad Max on September 06, 2022, 08:39:36 AM
Can't really find any good pictures to compare on your website Kirk?
None on the tiller tree, maybe less bend mid limb at brace :dunno:
Post by: Kirkll on September 06, 2022, 10:18:32 AM
Looking good. Do you use tip wedges when there is no taper?
Bingo! That is it Buemaker!
Typically I always use tip wedges on this limbs design. but this one, being a par layup, with a 28” draw at lighter draw weight, I decided to just use the exterior overlay and leave the internal tip wedge out. If you look real closely you can see the hooks are opening up just a wee bit at full draw….. not much… but just a tad bit.
Kirk
Post by: Kirkll on September 06, 2022, 10:25:06 AM
Looking good Hillbilly :thumbsup:
Can't really find any good pictures to compare on your website Kirk?
None on the tiller tree, maybe less bend mid limb at brace :dunno:
Here is a 62” Sasquatch SS Special you can compare the limbs to. This one has tip wedges and recurve overlays both… but… this bow is being drawn a full 32”. Keeping the limbs static is a serious advantage at longer draw lengths and helps maintain a flatter string angle. Kirk
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rohCABKZmcgLt6Q37
Post by: Kirkll on September 06, 2022, 10:34:03 AM
Finally got back into the shop last night. Finished a few limbs, automotive cleared and finished the bow in the middle. Got the riser in the left ready to clear this week.
It has full end grain overlays on belly and back and carbon fiber end caps. I reduced the grip size a little as well.
Looks to me like you are experimenting with different riser shapes. Good looking wood combo’s there too. I like the one on the far left the best.
If I could make a suggestion for you to try without criticizing your work at all, I would recommend adding some length to your risers and lengthen the limb pads about 1/2”. I think you would be pleased with the results.
What is the riser length on the one on the left? Kirk
Post by: Kirkll on September 06, 2022, 10:50:43 AM
https://photos.app.goo.gl/jHfsEZx4BA94w4jy5
Post by: Mad Max on September 06, 2022, 12:49:09 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on September 06, 2022, 01:04:04 PM
Finally got back into the shop last night. Finished a few limbs, automotive cleared and finished the bow in the middle. Got the riser in the left ready to clear this week.
It has full end grain overlays on belly and back and carbon fiber end caps. I reduced the grip size a little as well.
Looks to me like you are experimenting with different riser shapes. Good looking wood combo’s there too. I like the one on the far left the best.
If I could make a suggestion for you to try without criticizing your work at all, I would recommend adding some length to your risers and lengthen the limb pads about 1/2”. I think you would be pleased with the results.
What is the riser length on the one on the left? Kirk
Those are all 16" risers, 3 1/2" limb pads, 60" bows.
I have made a few 17 and 18" risers and a few with 4 inch limb pads. The one on the left was an impulse yesterday. Wanted something with a little more flare to it than the rounded backs.
The one on the right is the bow I shoot the most. Everything from shelf cut to window cut, grip size, just works very well for me.
I dropped down to 16 " riser because I was going to try a shorter bow, 56-58 ish.
I could easily go back to a 4 inch limb pad and step up in riser length and keep the limb bolts in the same place.
I do like the shape of the one on the far left the best. The wife, my greatest critic likes the other ones because she hates edges and sharp lines.....go figure.
I am getting good speed with these and believe I have my wedge configuration like I want it now. Thinned the wedge down from .400 to .345-.350 a d kept the length. It helped with stacking on the back end.
Thanks for the critique and advice!
Post by: Kirkll on September 07, 2022, 12:58:12 AM
This extra length will push your working limb out a wee bit further and help your string angle a wee bit too. That’s how you make advancement in your bow design is splitting hairs. Enough hairs pile up and you start seeing a bigger difference….. one bow at at time…. Just be sure and keep a detailed bowyers log, and only change one thing at a time.
I do this belly ramp shape on most of my riser designs because I like the looks of it most.
As far as different length bows go. A trick I learned while developing ILF limbs was that staying with 17” 19”, and 21” riser lengths and just building #2 and #3 length limbs on the same form using a different wedge length, and stop location. You can maintain your limb dynamics and performance pretty consistently from 60” to 66” bow lengths to accommodate different draw lengths. You could go down to a 15” riser too, but they are not very popular.
Food for thought….
Kirk
Post by: Mad Max on September 07, 2022, 07:36:24 AM
( btw... i ran a par instead of a .001 taper on this one due to the draw weight getting below 45# for better stability).Using a Parallel verses a .001 stack taper your limb thickness at the recurve is thicker, I can see that helping stability.
A couple questions about Recurves
What is your glass width (1-3/4") and width taper shape on the limbs?
Also how long is the width taper?
I'm guessing you working limb is around 18"?
With your butt wedge being .025 taper you should be bending about 4-1/2"/5" of it?
Post by: Buggs on September 07, 2022, 09:18:07 AM
It also looks huge! How much does that weigh? I think I would need to hire a caddy to hump it thru the woods for me :laughing:
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on September 07, 2022, 12:30:38 PM
Bet ya had to do a lot of rubbing with that magic rub...
I wonder if that thing would work on an arthritic thumb joint? I could use some magic rub today.... this finish sanding is killing me....
Kirk that’s a pretty wicked looking stick :archer2: very nice !
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on September 07, 2022, 12:32:16 PM
Finally got back into the shop last night. Finished a few limbs, automotive cleared and finished the bow in the middle. Got the riser in the left ready to clear this week.Nice job well done :clapper:
It has full end grain overlays on belly and back and carbon fiber end caps. I reduced the grip size a little as well.
Post by: Mad Max on September 07, 2022, 07:02:02 PM
I went flat grain on the Cocobolo this time.
(https://i.imgur.com/22cC7um.jpg)
Post by: Mad Max on September 07, 2022, 07:57:43 PM
They had a purple tint yesterday but today more brown.
Yesterday
(https://i.imgur.com/QJWMVFG.jpg)
Today I took this pic. at the same angle
(https://i.imgur.com/OsurqNA.jpg)
The out side veneer (1st cut) on today's veneers has a lot of Orange--Top left
We will see what they look like tomorrow :thumbsup:
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 07, 2022, 08:37:30 PM
Post by: onetone on September 07, 2022, 09:41:51 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 07, 2022, 10:10:29 PM
Very nice work. :thumbsup: As shown in the last pic, is that how you plan to pair them on a given bow?
They are 36" long now so a good bit can be cut off one or both ends
4 veneers is a pair
Everyone book matches them in pictures, but when you glueup like this
========/======= center of riser =======\======== looks better than below.
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If you just have one type of wood veneers the orientation doesn't really matter :dunno:
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Post by: Kirkll on September 07, 2022, 10:18:14 PM
( btw... i ran a par instead of a .001 taper on this one due to the draw weight getting below 45# for better stability).Using a Parallel verses a .001 stack taper your limb thickness at the recurve is thicker, I can see that helping stability.
A couple questions about Recurves
What is your glass width (1-3/4") and width taper shape on the limbs?
Also how long is the width taper?
I'm guessing you working limb is around 18"?
With your butt wedge being .025 taper you should be bending about 4-1/2"/5" of it?
I always start out with 1.75” glass and then run them down parallel and checking them for true 90 degrees. They come out about 1 5/8” width when mounted on the riser. My width taper profile template is 1 5/8” that travels pretty much straight until it hits the fades about 5” off the riser then a straight taper to 3/4”.
My finished width profile sometimes comes down to 1.5” to 5/8” tip width. Sometimes down to 1/2” tip depending on adjustments for tracking and sting groove depth. They are all a wee bit different depending on rough draw weight vs finished draw weight.
These Bare limbs, or even the stock Bear limbs are odd ball length. The risers are 1/2” longer than ILF risers going 15.5” for an A riser 19.5” for a B and the #2 limbs run 21” and #3 at 22” length. The wedges on these limbs are shorter than my Sasquatch limb design and the working potion of the limbs are a bit shorter too. I use the same geometry of the Sasquatch SS RC, but lay the limb pad angle back to match the Bear risers and their funky wedge system.
Measuring the working portion of a limb may be different for different bowyers. I use fade tips on the wedge to the fade tips of the tip wedge for my log WL entries. Typically around 10-11” . I believe this is where the majority of the energy is stored. But…. The butt wedges flex a bit at the fades as well as the area going into the tip wedge…. So the actual portion of the limb bending is a bit longer than my log entries…. So with static tips the working portion will be shorter than a working recurve limb where the hooks open up. For performance reasons as well as better string angle and extended draw length maximum, I prefer the static tip design personally. I’ll often leave an internal tip wedge out on low poundage recurves running a par or reverse taper, and still get a static tip out of it on shorter draw length… now I have a low poundage bow with a long draw length, I’ll use both the tip wedges and the exterior RC overlay….. the key to torsional stability in these glass recurve bows is limb thickness at the base of the curl. That’s why some guys struggle with building fast taper RC limbs at lower draw weights. A 55-60 # RC with an .002 forward taper is still manageable. But anything under 55# I’d recommend an . 001 max taper rate just using glass.
Did this answer your questions bro? Kirk
Post by: Kirkll on September 07, 2022, 10:56:14 PM
That Sassquat is wild looking :thumbsup:
It also looks huge! How much does that weigh? I think I would need to hire a caddy to hump it thru the woods for me :laughing:
Mass weight of the riser on these “B” length Bare Foot risers are 1.9 pounds. The HD ChomaPly has a high density with very little flex to it. It actually has a very nice feel to it. Here is a stock TD Bear B riser side by side with the Bare Foot design I’m building. But I build these in 17.5” and 21.5” lengths too.
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Post by: Mad Max on September 07, 2022, 11:53:20 PM
Nice looking risers, how thick from the grip locator to the back? looks narrow but that looks like a big riser too. :thumbsup:
Post by: Kirkll on September 08, 2022, 12:24:25 PM
Yep you answered my questions :thumbsup:
Nice looking risers, how thick from the grip locator to the back? looks narrow but that looks like a big riser too. :thumbsup:
Its a bit shy of the std 1.75" depth in the grip, but.... the grip itself is a bit wider in width, and is shaped with a natural wrist rotation angle and a bit lower thumb pad location... You can shoot this with an open hand, loose finger hand placement with no torque on the bow at all. I have recieved some great reviews on my grip shape. Kirk
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Post by: Mad Max on September 08, 2022, 05:39:10 PM
Damon Howatt did it on there bows. :thumbsup:
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Post by: Buemaker on September 08, 2022, 05:46:42 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 08, 2022, 06:31:11 PM
Post by: flntknp17 on September 08, 2022, 08:58:31 PM
I promise my next post will be another bow....I found some really nice wood the other day at a local sawmill and it is begging to become a bamboo backed longbow.
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Post by: onetone on September 08, 2022, 09:34:38 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on September 09, 2022, 07:21:22 AM
Tomorrow is opening day Archery season but it is suppose to rain like heck. So I am going wood shopping instead.
Max, those footed veneers are awesome!
Post by: Mad Max on September 09, 2022, 08:24:51 AM
Max, those footed veneers are awesome!
They should look Awesome for what I had to pay for the boards. :biglaugh:
Edge grain and flat grain both look good on Cocobolo
Post by: Mad Max on September 09, 2022, 08:54:02 AM
That Sassquat is wild looking :thumbsup:
It also looks huge! How much does that weigh? I think I would need to hire a caddy to hump it thru the woods for me :laughing:
Mass weight of the riser on these “B” length Bare Foot risers are 1.9 pounds. The HD ChomaPly has a high density with very little flex to it. It actually has a very nice feel to it. Here is a stock TD Bear B riser side by side with the Bare Foot design I’m building. But I build these in 17.5” and 21.5” lengths too.
I like a smaller radius for the throat of the grip also, it locates the crotch of your thumb and Index finger.
The top one is 1-1/2" circle and the bottom one is 1-1/4", and I have made them 1-1/8"
Yours look pretty small too.
(https://i.imgur.com/2BXrQ24.jpg)
Post by: Buggs on September 09, 2022, 09:21:27 AM
If anybody has one of these and it stops oscillating, it's probably this little dohicky
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I'm not sure which happened first or certain if they are all related, but after I removed the stand I found all kinds of damage.
The dust collection housing was completely broken away from every attachment point. It requires a near complete disassembly to replace, so I strapped it back on with some neoprene fabric and a metal bracket.
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Also broken were the 2 plastic centering bolts. I suspect their failure might have caused the other problems.
I whittled down some UHMW and drove it thru a nut to thread.
If your spindle sander starts to make any strange noises, stop and inspect it because its not fun tearing them down.
And that little dohicky..... $40!!! Makes me wish I had a 3-D printer
Post by: Mad Max on September 09, 2022, 09:47:49 AM
Post by: Buggs on September 09, 2022, 10:22:59 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on September 09, 2022, 11:21:26 AM
Thinking about buying another one to tear apart, disable the oscillator and then make a pattern sander out of!
Post by: Buggs on September 09, 2022, 12:50:22 PM
Post by: Buggs on September 09, 2022, 03:24:02 PM
https://buymirka.com/collections/mirka-sanding-discs
Got 200 discs for $100. and 100 of them are the fancy ceramic grit! $5 for shipping!
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Post by: wood carver 2 on September 09, 2022, 04:58:13 PM
Delta. Its a decent hobby machine that I bought used for $75. It's galling me a bit that 2oz of plastic cost half of what I paid for the whole shebang.I used to work for a German company that makes multi million dollar printing presses. It blew my mind when I learned that they used cheap plastic gears in some areas and they would easily strip out and need replacing.
Dave.
Post by: onetone on September 09, 2022, 05:39:01 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 09, 2022, 08:49:09 PM
Here is a heads up for anyone who uses a DA or random orbit sander. I needed to restock and found this place
https://buymirka.com/collections/mirka-sanding-discs
Got 200 discs for $100. and 100 of them are the fancy ceramic grit! $5 for shipping!
THANKS BUGGS!!!! I just ordered some myself. Good pricing!
Post by: Jeff tech on September 09, 2022, 09:08:19 PM
Post by: Jeff tech on September 09, 2022, 09:12:10 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 09, 2022, 09:19:57 PM
here is the finished product. Kirk
https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=179813.msg3011444#msg3011444
Post by: Buggs on September 10, 2022, 08:41:39 AM
Looks like you had a good time on your quest!
Did you eat Chester's Chicken ;)
I used to work for a German company that makes multi million dollar printing presses. It blew my mind when I learned that they used cheap plastic gears in some areas and they would easily strip out and need replacing.
Dave.
Built-in obsolescence, some would say.
I was thinking along the same lines until it dawned on me that I would be replacing a lot more than the plastic worm gear if it had not stripped out when the machine jammed. It acted like a shear pin.
I did find a CAD file for the exact gear the machine uses. Now I just have to find someone to print one so I have a spare.
Post by: Mad Max on September 10, 2022, 09:07:05 AM
Like a shear pin on tractor implements :dunno:
Post by: Jeff tech on September 10, 2022, 09:24:55 AM
Post by: Kirkll on September 10, 2022, 10:11:44 AM
You could probably remove the worm gear and recoup half your expense selling it! Or if you have a 3-D printer, make copies and sell them for a huge profit :nono:
Hey Buggs…. How exactly does a 3D printer work? I’ve heard reference to this before and this stupid old carpenter/ bowyer here just can’t picture this in my mind. Humor me will ya? Kirk
Post by: Buggs on September 10, 2022, 11:15:52 AM
Actually I think to get the desired strength, the gear should be CNC machined out of solid stock.
Post by: mmattockx on September 10, 2022, 11:31:16 AM
Hey Buggs…. How exactly does a 3D printer work? I’ve heard reference to this before and this stupid old carpenter/ bowyer here just can’t picture this in my mind. Humor me will ya? Kirk
There are two basic common types (actually more if you consider other materials than plastics).
One uses a heated nozzle and deposits a continuous string of hot/melted material down in layers to make the part. Think of taking silicone in a caulking tube and then repeating a pattern over and over on a table top, putting one layer down on top of the other to build up thickness.
The other uses a liquid resign that cures by exposure to UV light. The part is made in a tub of the resin by exposing the resin to UV light in the pattern for that layer.
Both methods build the part in layers, they just make each layer in a different way. There is a lot of technique and knowledge required for the solid modeling needed to design the part and how it is best oriented in the printer to achieve the best strength and surface finish for the end purpose.
Mark
Post by: Kirkll on September 10, 2022, 01:40:45 PM
Post by: Pat B on September 10, 2022, 02:13:44 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 10, 2022, 03:29:06 PM
There are even 3D printers that pump concrete to build foundations and walls for buildings, all in a monolithic pour.
Really? I always just pumped concrete until the forms were full, or up to the grade nails. You just stick your head inside the form and say , " Yup....That's enough mud.", and move the hose down. then fine grade and trowel it flat. Now they have a machine that does all that automatically? :dunno: I'm getting long in tooth i guess. Kirk
Post by: Pat B on September 10, 2022, 04:20:05 PM
Post by: mmattockx on September 10, 2022, 04:42:28 PM
Really? I always just pumped concrete until the forms were full, or up to the grade nails. You just stick your head inside the form and say , " Yup....That's enough mud.", and move the hose down. then fine grade and trowel it flat. Now they have a machine that does all that automatically? :dunno: I'm getting long in tooth i guess. Kirk
There are no forms, the printer just lays it all on a flat slab to start. These are still mostly experimental, but some real homes are being done this way now and it is going to be a bigger and bigger thing in the future as the technology matures and building codes and permitting authorities recognize/approve the construction method.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IxVPpkkWXI
Mark
Post by: Kirkll on September 10, 2022, 04:58:48 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 10, 2022, 05:45:14 PM
You can also try out your design with 3D parts
https://www.google.com/search?q=3D+printed+parts&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS770US770&sxsrf=ALiCzsYZmyJGf5p8abP2cpYNgPRKqiHGig:1662846246772&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJ_Or-mIv6AhUhhIkEHZTEB6AQ_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1366&bih=625&dpr=1
Post by: kennym on September 10, 2022, 07:19:32 PM
Post by: B-JS on September 11, 2022, 08:27:11 AM
Next Projekt will be Hybrid-Longbow-ILF-Limbs.
Post by: Mad Max on September 11, 2022, 08:38:21 AM
Unless they have a way to insulate that concrete, it's gonna be chill in winter, and hot all night in summer... :biglaugh:
You can Insulate from the inside nincompoop :knothead: :biglaugh:
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 11, 2022, 09:58:07 AM
You can Insulate from the inside nincompoop
Post by: Mad Max on September 11, 2022, 10:14:05 AM
If I just had my Bridgeport mill back :knothead:
Post by: kennym on September 11, 2022, 10:57:37 AM
Unless they have a way to insulate that concrete, it's gonna be chill in winter, and hot all night in summer... :biglaugh:
You can Insulate from the inside nincompoop :knothead: :biglaugh:
I realize that, but I'm bettin you can stick build and insulate CHEAPer than the printing and then insulating ,then interior finishing.
Prob don't matter to you rich dudes, but I'm a CHEAPskate... :laughing:
Post by: kennym on September 11, 2022, 10:58:29 AM
Post by: mmattockx on September 11, 2022, 11:26:56 AM
I realize that, but I'm bettin you can stick build and insulate CHEAPer than the printing and then insulating ,then interior finishing.
Prob don't matter to you rich dudes, but I'm a CHEAPskate... :laughing:
These 3D printed houses are way cheaper to build than traditional wood frame homes. The first areas they are being targeted at is building homes in poor countries where people can't afford houses now. Building out of concrete may not be the first choice in North America, but in tropical areas wood frame construction doesn't work because of insects and rot. In Jamaica many houses are built out of cinder blocks and I expect that is common in much of the Caribbean as well as other tropical locations. These 3D printed houses would be very competitive in that environment.
Now, for bow related topic... The other day I ground a set of lams for my first bow of the year. Been swamped with work, finishing a basement and other acreage projects. If all goes well I might actually get it glued up before the end of September.
Mark
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 11, 2022, 01:48:39 PM
Anyhow two of my recurves short 50 in. and 61 in. Seem to have enough preload the limbs are at correct brace height with very little bending and are quiet to me more string tension and more limb travel helping the fps.
Post by: 4 point on September 11, 2022, 03:33:15 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 11, 2022, 03:33:33 PM
Post by: 4 point on September 11, 2022, 03:39:57 PM
Post by: kennym on September 11, 2022, 03:44:48 PM
Ole Kenny lost his string tension long time ago:)
Who pulled yer string?? :biglaugh:
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 11, 2022, 04:20:49 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 11, 2022, 05:07:50 PM
This is how we wander off topic all the time. :smileystooges:
We never can stay on topic :dunno: :banghead: :goldtooth:
Post by: Kirkll on September 11, 2022, 09:57:09 PM
Unless they have a way to insulate that concrete, it's gonna be chill in winter, and hot all night in summer... :biglaugh:
You can Insulate from the inside nincompoop :knothead: :biglaugh:
I realize that, but I'm bettin you can stick build and insulate CHEAPer than the printing and then insulating ,then interior finishing.
Prob don't matter to you rich dudes, but I'm a CHEAPskate... :laughing:
I don't know about that anymore bro.... The price of lumber quadrupled the last year or so... the market is coming down again finally. But last year a lot of very large construction projects went on hold over lumber prices in the NW here. 1/2" CDX plywood was running $80 a sheet. :o :o :o Kirk
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 11, 2022, 10:28:28 PM
I expect both them old fellars got no string tension.1
Post by: Buemaker on September 12, 2022, 02:55:44 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 12, 2022, 05:19:23 AM
Could be a hinge developing.
Post by: Kauz on September 12, 2022, 01:04:26 PM
It says: Press the red button and we will hear you.
Hello Bue,
will not work, you should turn it around 180 degrees clockwise :saywhat: ;)
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 12, 2022, 10:10:25 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 13, 2022, 09:04:01 AM
Ya hain't been putting too much spice into the morning coffee have ya?
Post by: Buggs on September 13, 2022, 09:20:04 AM
Post by: onetone on September 13, 2022, 11:13:51 AM
Post by: Kirkll on September 13, 2022, 12:01:59 PM
Low cost door bell. Just remove if not suitable, but in times like this with war, draught and all kinds if misery around the world I try to keep a positive mind and do something funny and share with others. Outside my workshop door I put up a low cost door bell. It says: Press the red button and we will hear you.
Love your door bell. :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
Post by: Buggs on September 13, 2022, 12:30:57 PM
I think it’s the Swiss that yodel …
And singing Cowboys
Post by: onetone on September 13, 2022, 10:48:38 PM
Post by: Buggs on September 14, 2022, 10:36:08 AM
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Post by: Pat B on September 14, 2022, 11:45:19 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 14, 2022, 12:07:55 PM
Looks like Buggs too..
Post by: Buggs on September 14, 2022, 12:33:35 PM
Post by: onetone on September 14, 2022, 01:31:40 PM
Post by: kennym on September 14, 2022, 02:48:27 PM
That guy looks to be pretty high on that mountain..
Looks like Buggs too..
Ya mean way up there, or far out there, Roy? :laughing:
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 17, 2022, 08:20:36 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 18, 2022, 06:53:15 AM
One pair of 45/45 carbon curve limbs ready to be drilled.
Didn't happen wifout pichers:)
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 18, 2022, 09:09:16 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 18, 2022, 09:14:52 AM
Post by: Buggs on September 18, 2022, 09:51:16 AM
Still having a hard time swallowing the $50. for the replacement, $.001 piece of nylon made overseas
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Profiteering is still alive and thriving!
Post by: Buemaker on September 19, 2022, 03:02:18 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 19, 2022, 03:28:34 PM
Watching to see this one finished. :bigsmyl:
Post by: Pat B on September 19, 2022, 03:52:00 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 19, 2022, 05:26:02 PM
Post by: Buemaker on September 19, 2022, 05:58:40 PM
Post by: kennym on September 19, 2022, 06:31:22 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 19, 2022, 06:38:48 PM
Post by: onetone on September 19, 2022, 10:22:57 PM
Post by: Buggs on September 20, 2022, 10:18:42 AM
I hope you are going to harden and temper, rather than temper and anneal :)
Post by: Buemaker on September 20, 2022, 10:31:22 AM
Post by: Buggs on September 21, 2022, 09:34:51 AM
If you are one of the masochists who like to go out and harvest your own wood, this is a great saw. 15" of teeth, pull cut and it's sharpenable! It's easy to two hand and as long as you can give it power, it will eat wood real aggressively.
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 21, 2022, 10:16:48 AM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on September 21, 2022, 10:38:25 AM
So I block sanded my form surfaces and redid the top strip on the form.
Got some reallllly nice quarter sawn sycamore to try it out on for next set of limbs.
Post by: Stagmitis on September 21, 2022, 04:40:55 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on September 21, 2022, 08:56:39 PM
Here is a bowed psaltery I made out of quarter sawn sycamore and walnut. This pic is before the strings were added
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 21, 2022, 09:08:27 PM
Post by: onetone on September 22, 2022, 12:06:40 AM
Post by: Mad Max on September 22, 2022, 07:38:10 AM
Last set of limbs I made, I noticed the glass had some waves in it. Inspected my form and noticed the plywood had "compressed" slightly in a few areas.
So I block sanded my form surfaces and redid the top strip on the form.
Got some reallllly nice quarter sawn sycamore to try it out on for next set of limbs.
How much pressure are you using on the hose? How did the dent get there? :dunno:
Sometimes I'm not holding the router good enough and it make a low spot and I fill it with smooth-on and tap on the side
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on September 22, 2022, 08:09:42 AM
Post by: Mad Max on September 22, 2022, 08:36:11 AM
I brush on 4/5 coats of shellac on the form and a razor blade as a scraper to flatten it back down.
I have only glued fiberglass on one form, the rest are just plywood.
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 22, 2022, 05:07:58 PM
Same riser new 2 ply twill limbs Sweet
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Post by: Roy from Pa on September 22, 2022, 05:19:45 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 22, 2022, 06:44:51 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 22, 2022, 07:08:34 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 22, 2022, 08:09:17 PM
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Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on September 22, 2022, 08:10:09 PM
Sycamore lams
Post by: Kirkll on September 22, 2022, 08:18:08 PM
https://photos.app.goo.gl/pgPKtHWsdjJXaUEv6 Kirk
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 23, 2022, 06:30:38 AM
Love that sycamore.
Kirk that something New? And nice pics on your fishing trip.
Post by: Buemaker on September 23, 2022, 07:13:39 AM
Post by: Kirkll on September 23, 2022, 09:48:25 AM
Looking good Stic and Kirk and Kirk, I can see you have been tidying your shop again. :bigsmyl:
My shop is definitely in need of a full day of cleaning. I’m eternally pig piled it seems. Once the fire danger is over and we can burn again, I’ll roll up my sleeves , haul out the trash, and get things back in order again. Believe it or not I still know where everything is at. :biglaugh:
Mike, nothing new design wise on this bow. It’s my TD Flatliner design with a full overlay, flush limb pockets. I rarely post photos of this one unstrung and it caught my eye the other day.
This one has 2 sets of limbs with bloodwood wedges that match the center riser overlay, and an Iron wood riser. I’ll get more photos after I wrap it up and get her finished. Kirk
Post by: Longcruise on September 23, 2022, 10:07:13 AM
Took a couple days off….
Me too!
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Post by: Buemaker on September 23, 2022, 10:50:08 AM
Cruise, how do you prepare that crocodile for eating? Here in Norway we call that baby pike.
Post by: Buggs on September 23, 2022, 10:52:06 AM
Post by: Pat B on September 23, 2022, 12:08:11 PM
Post by: Buggs on September 23, 2022, 12:16:03 PM
Post by: Pat B on September 23, 2022, 02:19:53 PM
Here is the tomatillo salsa before roasting...
(https://i.imgur.com/9iHaxOe.jpg)
...after roasting...
(https://i.imgur.com/R9USV3b.jpg)
...and the finished product...
(https://i.imgur.com/12fZMP8.jpg)
I quartered up 2 limes and roasted them with the veg. Then I squeezed the juice and pulp into the salsa. Yum!!!
Post by: Buggs on September 23, 2022, 04:35:17 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 23, 2022, 09:28:54 PM
Here is the riser with the extended riser block
You could see the glue line while fine sanding but after spraying the finish it is gone.
African Blackwood
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Post by: Longcruise on September 23, 2022, 11:17:26 PM
Kirk. Nice bend on those limbs. Do you put screws through the ends of that full overlay?
Cruise, how do you prepare that crocodile for eating? Here in Norway we call that baby pike.
On this one I cut it like taking the backstraps from a deer. You undoubtedly know how bony they are. This was camp dinner. Fried in butter with mild seasoning
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Post by: Longcruise on September 23, 2022, 11:25:56 PM
What kind of fish is that Longcruise? Looks like you are running out of water, the high water mark is a long ways away :tongue:
Thats a northern pike.
Yeah that's a reservoir that's a feeder to the Colorado River. Way over allocated . In dry years it can get drawn down a lot. Also makes room for spring run off next year. Lotsa legal moves and politics involved in water here in the west.
We have a saying in Colorado. "Whiskey's for drinkin and water is for fightin"
Post by: Mad Max on September 24, 2022, 07:14:36 AM
What kind of fish is that Longcruise? Looks like you are running out of water, the high water mark is a long ways away :tongue:
Thats a northern pike.
Yeah that's a reservoir that's a feeder to the Colorado River. Way over allocated . In dry years it can get drawn down a lot. Also makes room for spring run off next year. Lotsa legal moves and politics involved in water here in the west.
We have a saying in Colorado. "Whiskey's for drinkin and water is for fightin"
We have 4 Reservoir here for water control also, if you start asking question about the water be to low for fishing they will tell you it's for water control not for fishing.
"It is 200 miles (320 km) long and 87 miles (140 km) across at its widest point, encompassing about 4,415,000 acres (17,870 km2), or, almost 7,000 square miles of alluvial floodplain."
Lot's of cotton
Post by: Mad Max on September 24, 2022, 07:32:03 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 24, 2022, 07:40:05 AM
Post by: kennym on September 24, 2022, 08:12:52 AM
You should thank us for your underwear :biglaugh: :goldtooth:
Yup, and I bet Roy goes thru em!! :laughing:
Post by: Buemaker on September 24, 2022, 08:16:11 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 24, 2022, 08:17:42 AM
You should thank us for your underwear :biglaugh: :goldtooth:
Yup, and I bet Roy goes thru em!! :laughing:
I hain't got no panties on smarty pants:)
Post by: Mad Max on September 24, 2022, 09:43:27 AM
Today, approximately 1.1 million acres are planted to cotton in Mississippi, depending on a number of factors, including weather, price, and commodity markets.
Post by: kennym on September 24, 2022, 01:19:03 PM
You should thank us for your underwear :biglaugh: :goldtooth:
Yup, and I bet Roy goes thru em!! :laughing:
I hain't got no panties on smarty pants:)
Ya know I liked that before I thought about it, so I unliked it... :laughing: :laughing:
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 24, 2022, 03:47:16 PM
Don't tell me ya don't like it.
:laughing:
Post by: Mad Max on September 24, 2022, 04:14:51 PM
Post by: Buggs on September 24, 2022, 05:04:26 PM
I hain't got no panties on smarty pants:)
What???? No drawers for all your junk :o
Post by: Kirkll on September 25, 2022, 11:04:22 AM
Bue, yes… I run a couple stainless steel #10 screws in that center overlay section of my full overlay risers. On on each end. I have to be careful and offset the shelf cut out end screw location.
When I first started building these type with flush limb pockets, I had several of them split or crack at the end of the overlays, and used screws to repair them. Since then I just use counter sink screws as I put the overlay on.
Kirk
Post by: Kirkll on September 25, 2022, 11:43:13 AM
As far as the rest of this “Junk”…. I’m not even touching that. :o
Max, Have you had any checking issues working with that African black wood?
I haven’t worked with it in years, but I had surface checking issues very similar to Gaboon ebony, and quit using either one.
I did a gaboon ebony riser for a guy that insisted he wanted it, and I told him I would have to charge him to refinish the bow when it started checking…. It only took 6 months before it needed it, and I had used a good epoxy finish too.
Kirk
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 26, 2022, 10:17:19 AM
Gotta do some night hunting for this guy..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2DdVFz1QzA
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on September 26, 2022, 12:54:34 PM
I am dealing with Bears. This sow has 2 cubs and another one has 3. And one big boar. Wrecked my bow season for deer so far.
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 26, 2022, 01:08:08 PM
Song dog Roy?
I am dealing with Bears. This sow has 2 cubs and another one has 3. And one big boar. Wrecked my bow season for deer so far.
Yup a darn yote, lot of em round here...
Post by: Buggs on September 26, 2022, 01:33:38 PM
Post by: Pat B on September 26, 2022, 01:46:40 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on September 26, 2022, 02:19:21 PM
Post by: Buggs on September 26, 2022, 03:18:27 PM
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on September 26, 2022, 08:34:26 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 29, 2022, 10:11:57 AM
I put my salsa verde in half pint canning jars today, put in the hot water bath...and the bottoms of 3 of the 7 jars broke out dumping the contents in the water bath. That was about 40% of what I made down the drain. :knothead: I guess the salsa was too cold when I put it in the hot water. Anyway here's what I got in the end...
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Aw man…. That makes me want to cry right there bro…. That will be missed this winter…. Kirk
Post by: Longcruise on September 29, 2022, 11:24:43 AM
Post by: Pat B on September 29, 2022, 12:39:17 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 29, 2022, 01:56:01 PM
I had overheating issues when i first bought it when idling for too long. I couldn't use the main for trolling much at all without it getting hot. So i called the old boy and asked when he had last replaced the water pump impeller?
He said, "Oh you don't have to worry about changing those out. they last a long time...." I'm thinking .Oh good...Lord knows how long its been since its been taken apart.... So..... i had the shop do it.....
It's had about 2-300 hours on it since then.
So this time everything broke loose with out using a bunch of penetratingly oil and breaker bars. and i did Grease all the bolts. Nothing goes back together on this old boat without good marine grease if I ever want to get it apart again. Kirk
Post by: Kirkll on September 29, 2022, 08:17:41 PM
Put lots of marine grease on all those bolts. I was an Johnson/Evanrude outboard mechanic on Hilton Head, SC and learned to grease everything. We worked on Mercruisers too. I remember spending 8 hours with torch and wrenches just to take a gear case off on a 150hp outboard because no one bothered to grease the 6 bolts holding the gear case on.
They got this stuff now called “PB Blaster” that is some damn good penetrating oil.
https://www.amazon.com/Blaster-16-PB-DS-Penetrating-Catalyst-delivery/dp/B07YFT9YRL/ref=sr_1_18?gclid=CjwKCAjwhNWZBhB_EiwAPzlhNq2MMbxy_3jT0xTRk2w_biS6MEgjm8TpYNlGiRVMTjrWvFQ2B5BNpxoC2hIQAvD_BwE&hvadid=616863300225&hvdev=t&hvlocphy=9032862&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=15523126892590876817&hvtargid=kwd-384597451&hydadcr=24665_13611781&keywords=pb+blaster&qid=1664496797&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI0LjUyIiwicXNhIjoiMy43OCIsInFzcCI6IjMuODIifQ%3D%3D&sr=8-18.
This stuff has saved me a couple times wrenching on this old boat. I had the steering mechanism lock up last year and it took 2 days to break it loose using this stuff and a hammer. Kirk
Post by: Buggs on September 29, 2022, 09:43:55 PM
I use it on just about everything, but some fasteners like exhaust get the ultimate penetrant;
Ed's Red Bore Cleaner
1 part Dexron II, IIe or III ATF, GM Spec. D-20265 or later.
1 part Kerosene - deodorized, K1
1 part Aliphatic Mineral Spirits, Fed. Spec. TT-T-2981F, CAS #64741-49-9, or substitute "Stoddard Solvent", CAS #8052-41-3, or equivalent, (aka "Varsol")
1 part Acetone, CAS #67-64-1.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on September 30, 2022, 07:06:38 AM
It works where PB Blaster and others have failed. We stock the stuff and it just plain works.
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 30, 2022, 09:14:58 AM
Post by: Buggs on September 30, 2022, 09:46:25 AM
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on September 30, 2022, 12:40:11 PM
Well I didn’t build these today but overtime I’m getting closer to the big day when I can finally glue something up. Lol cheers have a great day ! Kennys 58” FH
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Post by: Mad Max on September 30, 2022, 02:22:28 PM
Make sure you do your dry runs and your washers are up high enough to keep the lams in.
And your fades on the riser need to be paper thin at the ends and no gaps on the dry run.
Everything is going to slide around with the epoxy on it.
Don't get in a hurry, you have plenty of time after the epoxy is on. :bigsmyl:
Post by: garyschuler on September 30, 2022, 04:44:53 PM
Good luck and I’m sure you have thought of everything. !!!
Post by: Kirkll on September 30, 2022, 06:22:59 PM
I just drill 5/16” holes about 1” below the edge of the form and use zip ties… Much better IMO…. The steel washers work ok until you start using heat strips, but they don’t work at all with my battery charger heat strips…
Check out this little film clip I did on a unique form design. Kirk
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Q1aJJWDpXxnUAvPh8
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on September 30, 2022, 06:30:04 PM
I gave up washers and other methods to keep my lams line up a long time ago.Thanks Kirk yes since I took these pictures I’ve actually drilled holes for zip ties it seems like a slick way of doing things and I do have tape and a few shims on hand if I need it. Bryan
I just drill 5/16” holes about 1” below the edge of the form and use zip ties… Much better IMO…. The steel washers work ok until you start using heat strips, but they don’t work at all with my battery charger heat strips…
Check out this little film clip I did on a unique form design. Kirk
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Q1aJJWDpXxnUAvPh8
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 30, 2022, 08:41:44 PM
Post by: onetone on September 30, 2022, 09:16:26 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 30, 2022, 09:44:25 PM
Post by: Kirkll on September 30, 2022, 09:46:24 PM
I use stainless steel heat strips/pressure strips and leave them in the form with about 50-55# air pressure in the hose. I’ve actually laid up limbs with 25-30#s of pressure with no issues too. But That was an ooooops though…
I typically air up in two stages. 20-30 psi…. Wait about 30 seconds, then top it off. I got side tracked one day and never topped off the hose. So I laid the other one up at low poundage too, and it came out fine. I think high pressure is over rated myself. Consistency is the key. Hard to beat an air hose for that.
Kirk
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on October 01, 2022, 12:35:00 PM
Kirk 3/8 thats a big tie 👍 mine are like 1/2 that size we will see how they work. Bryan
Post by: Mad Max on October 01, 2022, 05:06:32 PM
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Post by: Pat B on October 01, 2022, 10:34:52 PM
Post by: Mad Max on October 01, 2022, 11:21:47 PM
Still in velvet. Cool. :thumbsup:
Opening day of Archery today
Pretty rare around here for velvet bucks 1st of October.
That's a pretty good one around here, some bigger ones around the lakes.
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 02, 2022, 07:14:58 AM
Post by: Kirkll on October 02, 2022, 08:39:53 PM
The black tail bucks we have on the west coast it’s not uncommon to see them still in velvet clear into November. The main rut doesn’t come until about Thanksgiving time for black tail. Kirk
Post by: Mad Max on October 02, 2022, 10:27:10 PM
Post by: Kirkll on October 03, 2022, 10:39:06 AM
I’ve hunted them in Illinois years ago, and stalked them in Texas a few times. They are big bodied compared to the average black tail, but I’ve seen some huge black tail bucks, and harvested several over 200#. I got a 300# black tail within rock throwing distance of my house years ago. There is a gene pool in my area that puts out some huge animals every few years. the standing world record black tail for many years was taken not far from where I live….. but those big boys are smart…. :biglaugh: Kirk
Post by: Mad Max on October 03, 2022, 12:18:23 PM
Post by: Kirkll on October 08, 2022, 01:03:32 PM
I had the boat all ready to rock, and was planning on salmon fishing this weekend on the coast…. But Nooooooo…. The truck crapped out on me.
Last Monday I was getting ready to take the canopy off the the truck, and put the camper on, and the dad burn thing wouldn’t start. Wouldn’t even turn over… I had a new battery, but tried jumping it anyway…. Nothing… So I replaced the starter.
Still nothing… wouldn’t crank… So I figure it’s gotta be an electrical issue….
Keep in mind, this is a 2011 F250 Super Duty 4x4…. You open the hood, and there is so much crap on these things you can’t even see the engine block, much less anything else. It has fuse boxes plural, a full box of relay switches numbered 1-100 or more, and wiring harness’s going everywhere. On top of that a computer the whole thing…..
I’m a carpenter by trade, and now a bowyer …. Not a mechanic with an electronics degree. But…. I can’t afford to take this to a shop, and I need to get this thing going so I can go fishing.
So most of my week was spent taking a crash course on you tube on auto electric diagnostics. I became very familiar with the use of a multimeter, how a relay switch works, how to test voltage drop, resistance vs continuity, etc…etc…
I changed out the ignition switch first with no luck, and was down to testing battery cables when I finally stumbled on the problem. I was watching more you tube videos on No crank, no start issues when a guy posted one that sounded identical to mine. In his video It turned out that the AC compressor pulley had frozen up solid, and the serpentine belt was keeping the motor from turning over.
So I thought hey! My AC hasn’t worked in two years…. I wonder….. So I pulled the serpentine belt off my rig, and bingo! She fired right up…. Now it only took me 4 days of pulling my hair out to figure this out…. Thank god I didn’t open up those wiring harness’s an go down that rabbit hole…. They wanted $730 to replace that one starter/battery wiring harness. That’s just the part cost….
But… replacing an AC compressor and recharging the system is where I draw the line. Haven’t got the right tools or know how for this one. So it goes to the shop on Monday, and I can finally get back to my wood shop this week.
Kirk
Post by: Buggs on October 11, 2022, 09:51:03 AM
Post by: Kirkll on October 11, 2022, 09:41:03 PM
Kirk, you need a Blue Driver. It's an inexpensive car computer system scanner and code reader than interfaces with smart phone or tablet and gives live data readout. Makes troubleshooting a puddle wade, instead of an ocean voyage.
My son in law said the same thing, and he's got one.
I just happen to have a buddy that lives close by that has all that computer scanner stuff. He's come over and helped me out a few times with that rig of his. He bought a fancy one ..... But ....he does a lot more work on vehicles than i typically do. These newer rigs are a nightmare.
I got the AC replacement going on today at a shop. Less than $700 Parts and labor wasn't too bad i thought given that the new compressor was $380. I pick it up tomorrow..... and i AM going salmon fishing this coming weekend with my son in law. Kirk
Post by: garyschuler on October 11, 2022, 11:26:55 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 12, 2022, 09:18:00 AM
View off the deck.
Post by: Buggs on October 12, 2022, 09:49:16 AM
Hey Roy from PA, you just passed the 20,000 post milestone :notworthy:
Post by: Kirkll on October 12, 2022, 12:16:36 PM
Post by: Pat B on October 12, 2022, 11:34:07 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 13, 2022, 06:26:33 AM
We had 3 or 4 frosts already.
I love watching the leaves fluttering down in the wind.
Yup buggs 20k is a lot of replies.
Post by: Buemaker on October 13, 2022, 09:13:06 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 13, 2022, 09:42:18 AM
Post by: Mad Max on October 13, 2022, 10:23:54 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 13, 2022, 11:06:53 AM
Hunting.
Post by: wood carver 2 on October 13, 2022, 11:28:06 AM
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I was on my way to visit with friends in New Hampshire last Friday. The drive through central New York, Vermont and NH was great.
I love this time of the year. 😁
Dave.
Post by: Mad Max on October 13, 2022, 01:59:17 PM
Bow season in PA now.
Hunting.
Hunting a beer :goldtooth:
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 13, 2022, 05:51:56 PM
Post by: wcasey755 on October 13, 2022, 10:59:35 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 13, 2022, 11:20:39 PM
Looking forward to your builds.
Post by: wcasey755 on October 13, 2022, 11:54:14 PM
Yew staves are awesome and make great bows.
Looking forward to your builds.
Post by: Kirkll on October 14, 2022, 12:29:42 AM
It will give you something to practice using your draw knives on though. Just be sure and leave that sap wood on the back of the stave after you remove the bark.
I’d actually start by reading that bowyers Bible collection I sent you. That will get ya off on the right track, or make you throw in the towel before getting started. Lol
Good seeing you again Wyatt. Let me know when those salmon get up the river in numbers and I’ll come visit you next time. Kirk
Post by: Pat B on October 17, 2022, 10:26:28 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/eDh2KQj.jpg)
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This ginkgo is down where our nursery used to be
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off the front porch
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...and my girls heading up the driveway after our walk.
A week ago last Friday my back went out so I was laid up all week. I'm sure some of you guys are familiar with lower back problems. Getting old ain't for sissies! :bigsmyl:
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 17, 2022, 10:32:32 AM
Broke my lower back 15 years ago so I understand the lower back issues that ole timers have.
Post by: Kirkll on October 17, 2022, 12:45:39 PM
Salmon Fishing was completely dead, but we brought home 22 big Dungeness crab. Some of these crabs measured over 10” wide weighing two pounds each.
Exceptionally nice sized crab this trip.
Here is some fall color for you. Kirk
Post by: Buemaker on October 17, 2022, 03:12:44 PM
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Post by: Buggs on October 19, 2022, 11:32:01 AM
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I just have to figure out how to extend the bed
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 19, 2022, 11:43:14 AM
PM me for a price:)
Post by: kennym on October 19, 2022, 01:43:34 PM
I happen to make stave bed extenders for that model...
PM me for a price:)
That'll be good for him to lift a 7' log on there!! :biglaugh:
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 19, 2022, 06:11:08 PM
Stay tuned for more engineering:)
Post by: Buggs on October 19, 2022, 06:13:39 PM
I happen to make stave bed extenders for that model...
PM me for a price:)
Don't think I could afford the shipping, unless you are like the big "A" and offer free, 2 day ;)
Post by: Buggs on October 19, 2022, 06:16:03 PM
Oh he will design and build some high tech stave crane to lift it.
Stay tuned for more engineering:)
Honestly, I did not know how I was going to get it out of the back of the truck! That took some Jethro Bodine rigging
Post by: wood carver 2 on October 19, 2022, 07:17:55 PM
Honestly, I did not know how I was going to get it out of the back of the truck! That took some Jethro Bodine rigging
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I hear you on that one. I remember the day I brought home a 1000 lb. Planer. My Dad, my Mom and my 80 year old neighbour helped me to walk it down a board to the ground. :scared:
Today I took steps to make sure that I never have to jury rig a way to get heavy stuff into or out of my truck. I had a one ton crane installed in the back of my ford. 😁😁😁
It would be easy to rig a loading system for the splitter. You tube loading systems for bandsaw mills. Two beams form a ramp to the deck, and a post with a boat winch to haul the log up.
Dave.
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 19, 2022, 08:06:25 PM
A Ford would crumble if ya put 1 ton in the bed:)
Post by: wood carver 2 on October 19, 2022, 08:11:52 PM
Dave.
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 19, 2022, 08:33:13 PM
Post by: kennym on October 19, 2022, 08:58:53 PM
Post by: Kirkll on October 20, 2022, 12:31:10 AM
I also fired up my heater for the first time this fall. The temp is dropping the next few days, and we have our first real rain storm heading our way this next week with low 40’s temp. Lord knows we need the rain here. We’ve had record high temps in the 80’s in October and dryer than a popcorn fart…. I’m amazed we haven’t had more wild fires this fall…. But with no lightning storms coming in, that helped. That lightning starts a lot of fires here in the fall.
After all this dry weather, I’m ready for some rain again…. Kirk
Post by: Buemaker on October 20, 2022, 01:13:55 PM
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Post by: Kirkll on October 20, 2022, 09:44:43 PM
May i ask why you had them machined with the sleeve extensions on those bezel washers? i'd really like to see your limb mount assembly finished and disassembled if possible. I'm just curious...
Kirk
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 21, 2022, 05:05:26 AM
Post by: Buemaker on October 21, 2022, 05:37:33 AM
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Post by: Buemaker on October 21, 2022, 08:33:25 AM
Post by: Kirkll on October 21, 2022, 11:06:13 AM
I did something similar years ago using bronze sleeves in my limbs and single alignment pins, but I had issues with the plus or minus tolerances on the threaded inserts going into the riser throwing the alignment off. Different materials used causing tap drift, and the plus or minus tolerances I found in the threaded inserts themselves made it difficult to maintain consistency.
So I came up with another piece of hardware that I had machined that I mortised into the limb pad that had a lateral limb adjustment pin. This took care of the limb alignment issue completely, but it sure added a lot of hardware expense, and labor to the build.
I don’t have any photos of this hardware available at the moment, but I can take some more if you are curious. Actually I still have a bunch of this hardware I could part with if you would like to play with it. Let me get some photos.
I came up with a much easier system using two alignment pins, and no special hardware that gives me a much more precise limb alignment, but it requires a machinist table and mill to make it precise.
Please let me know if this hardware is something you might be interested in.
Kirk
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 21, 2022, 11:22:41 AM
It didn't happen wifout pichers:)
:laughing: :wavey:
Post by: Buemaker on October 21, 2022, 11:57:22 AM
Post by: Kirkll on October 21, 2022, 12:54:06 PM
https://photos.app.goo.gl/tBQUHwNs3s3msPiU8
Post by: Buggs on October 21, 2022, 01:06:48 PM
Post by: Kirkll on October 21, 2022, 01:30:15 PM
Cool looking bows and hardware, but that busy background is tough to look at :saywhat:
That was a quilt a buddy of mine put together for me about 10 years ago that i was using as a table cover at Etar. I shipped about 18 bows to that event in 2012. That is a HUGE event....
Unfortunately i can't afford all the travel and setting up displays at events anymore, and my in stock bows never last long before finding a home for them. I don't have any to display right now. Kirk
Post by: Buemaker on October 21, 2022, 01:50:03 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 21, 2022, 02:01:36 PM
:laughing: :thumbsup:
Post by: Kirkll on October 21, 2022, 02:42:12 PM
Thank you for pictures.I think I will use what I have. I am sure what you use now with two pins and a slightly large bolt hole works excellent.
Yup.... Works for me. No muss, no fuss with special hardware on my std TD bows any more. ILF set ups are a different story. i had some custom plates milled from aluminum that i use for those.
If anyone is interested in some of this hardware i'll sell them for $25 a set. Screws and pins not included.
Kirk
Post by: Crooked Stic on October 21, 2022, 04:04:17 PM
Post by: Kirkll on October 22, 2022, 09:29:09 AM
For sale ILF plates? Got pics of them.
Nope… I’ll hang on to my ILF plates. Kirk
Post by: Crooked Stic on October 22, 2022, 10:29:54 AM
Post by: Kirkll on October 22, 2022, 11:05:44 AM
What then you selling for $25
Go back to page 66 Mike… there is a link to the lateral limb adjustment hardware I designed. Kirk
Post by: wood carver 2 on October 23, 2022, 01:03:14 PM
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No more heavy lifting for this old coot. 😁
Dave.
Post by: wood carver 2 on October 23, 2022, 01:24:21 PM
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Dave.
Post by: Buggs on October 23, 2022, 07:00:01 PM
Thats a cool table Dave, looks cantilevered :thumbsup:
Post by: wood carver 2 on October 23, 2022, 07:41:19 PM
You mentioned pneumatic wheels for a gantry. They could make it unstable. Solid wheels are safer.
My table is made from walnut that my buddy and I sawed on our mill. We have a pile of it to get through still. I’m thinking of making some tables for sale.
Dave.
Post by: Kirkll on October 24, 2022, 10:38:23 AM
There was a state police officer that saw the whole thing, and came over to check on me…. When I asked him if he’d help me load up the deer in the back of the truck he just laughed at me, and said, Ya… right… and left me standing there…
I couldn’t very well field dress this big animal in the ditch to lighten the load, and had to wrestle it into the bed guts , feathers, and all. I’d guess it was a good 250 pounds. Didn’t think I was going to get it in there, but I did somehow… that crane would have made it much easier.
Cool looking table.
Kirk
Post by: Longcruise on October 24, 2022, 06:02:08 PM
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Post by: Buemaker on October 25, 2022, 04:29:44 AM
Post by: Buggs on October 25, 2022, 09:24:21 AM
A running thread of homemade jigs and tools would be cool :thumbsup:
Post by: Longcruise on October 25, 2022, 10:10:38 AM
Curved sanding block with a 90 degree support to feather wedges.
I'm sure that is a very useful tool, but being dense i need some clarification on how it works.
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 25, 2022, 10:27:53 AM
Curved sanding block with a 90 degree support to feather wedges.
I'm sure that is a very useful tool, but being dense i need some clarification on how it works.
Mike it takes 4 AA batteries:)
Post by: 4 point on October 25, 2022, 11:56:20 AM
Post by: kennym on October 25, 2022, 11:58:51 AM
Bue, you always make super nice and functional tools. The stuff I make works but looks like crap compared to your stuff.
Thats me too!! :biglaugh:
Post by: Buemaker on October 25, 2022, 04:20:20 PM
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Post by: Longcruise on October 31, 2022, 03:23:56 PM
Checking for squareness. Glued up a pair of recurve limbs. Bjørn glass. One parallel Zebrano lam. One .001 Zebrano tapered lam, one Stabil Kore with a Jatoba wedge.
Zebrano?? Is that the same as zebra
Post by: Buemaker on October 31, 2022, 03:29:50 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on November 03, 2022, 07:40:28 PM
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Post by: Kirkll on November 04, 2022, 10:40:44 AM
Nice !
This set of limbs fought me every inch of the way…. Came in 10 pounds heavy, and I had tracking issues narrowing them up and getting them balanced out.Of course the ILF rigs have lateral limb adjustment capability…. But you still need to get things pretty darn close.
These should be some hot limbs. The ones that come in heavy and need to be leaned down are always the fastest shooters. Kirk
Post by: DVSHUNTER on November 04, 2022, 06:42:59 PM
Post by: Pat B on November 04, 2022, 11:18:12 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 05, 2022, 06:01:29 AM
Post by: DVSHUNTER on November 05, 2022, 06:45:24 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 05, 2022, 07:26:16 AM
https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=169126.0
Post by: Mad Max on November 06, 2022, 06:48:41 AM
Thanks fellas. I jist need to refresh my mind on posting pictures and I can start sharing.
Dang, back to the other side :bigsmyl:
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 06, 2022, 06:58:00 AM
Post by: simk on November 11, 2022, 08:35:14 AM
Cheers
Post by: Pat B on November 11, 2022, 08:48:58 AM
I've only worked with red mulberry and not white mulberry so take what I said with a grain of salt.
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 11, 2022, 09:17:37 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 11, 2022, 09:51:57 AM
Post by: B-JS on November 14, 2022, 10:30:42 AM
With Glass allready pleasant to shoot.
Need to build a Set with Carbon in my drawweight now.
Post by: Mad Max on November 15, 2022, 08:50:30 AM
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on November 15, 2022, 12:08:22 PM
Post by: kennym on November 15, 2022, 12:48:16 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 15, 2022, 03:55:17 PM
I heat my shop with mistakes. LOL
Post by: Kirkll on November 15, 2022, 09:50:18 PM
Nice Bryan.
I heat my shop with mistakes. LOL
Get rid of the evidence that way too... :goldtooth:
Post by: garyschuler on November 16, 2022, 12:10:14 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 16, 2022, 09:36:49 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 17, 2022, 05:44:38 AM
:laughing:
Post by: Pat B on November 17, 2022, 09:43:43 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 17, 2022, 09:51:54 AM
Post by: Kirkll on November 19, 2022, 09:34:10 PM
It was pretty difficult to do in your one hour time limit….. we did get it figured out, but only had a minute and 40 seconds left on the clock with 4 of us working the puzzles…..
If they have something like this near you, I’d highly recommend it for a totally different type of entertainment. It was fun. Kirk
Post by: Jeff tech on November 19, 2022, 09:38:07 PM
Post by: Kirkll on November 20, 2022, 09:44:47 PM
Post by: B-JS on November 21, 2022, 06:46:46 AM
Now i need to find some Time to Test them.
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 21, 2022, 06:49:10 AM
Post by: B-JS on November 21, 2022, 06:49:39 AM
Post by: Jeff tech on November 21, 2022, 06:37:11 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 21, 2022, 06:56:08 PM
Post by: Kirkll on November 21, 2022, 09:34:01 PM
Just a suggestion....... The one with no writing at all looks great too. Nice work! Kirk
Post by: Jeff tech on November 27, 2022, 05:11:11 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 27, 2022, 05:23:34 PM
Post by: kennym on November 27, 2022, 05:24:06 PM
Then got some orders done because I gotta help a buddy a couple days...
Retired my arse!! No such thing! :laughing:
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 28, 2022, 07:50:50 AM
:laughing: :wavey:
Post by: Stagmitis on November 28, 2022, 01:45:57 PM
Post by: Buemaker on December 01, 2022, 03:05:35 PM
Post by: B-JS on December 03, 2022, 10:10:51 AM
Took the chance to laminate two carbon layups and let them cure in the cozy bathroom.
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 03, 2022, 10:53:16 AM
Post by: Kirkll on December 03, 2022, 01:40:03 PM
With that clamping system, i'm curious about thickness consistency too. Kirk
Post by: B-JS on December 03, 2022, 03:17:35 PM
Thicknessconsitency should be within .002 i Hope.
Together with an other bowyer, i'm searching for a manufakturer in Germany that is willing and able tonproduce Carbon by our Specs for a reasonable price.
This layup is about .040 and a mix of 90/0, UD and 45/45.
Layup for Belly is different.
Will build a Set of ILF Longbow Limbs with that stuff Soon.
Hope they will hold Up.
Post by: wood carver 2 on December 03, 2022, 06:11:20 PM
A couple of days ago I pulled the trigger on a new jointer that I have been wanting to buy for a while now, so I thought that I would rearrange the shop layout to see if I could improve things. I’ve been slowly cleaning up as I go and this afternoon I put a set of wheels on my workbench so that now, everything in there is mobile.
I was lucky with my old jointer. I listed it for sale on FB and it was sold and gone in an hour. 🤯🙂 I don’t do anything on there and this was the first time I used the site for anything.
Dave.
Post by: OldRawhide42 on December 04, 2022, 07:01:00 AM
Post by: Buggs on December 04, 2022, 11:40:02 AM
Grinding jig for powerlams.
Buemaker, thats quite a gap between the sanding drum and the table, does that machine have a variety of inserts and drum sizes?
Post by: onetone on December 04, 2022, 11:53:53 AM
Post by: Buggs on December 04, 2022, 04:20:05 PM
Post by: OldRawhide42 on December 04, 2022, 04:52:00 PM
Post by: Buemaker on December 04, 2022, 05:21:39 PM
Post by: Mad Max on December 04, 2022, 06:36:43 PM
Post by: onetone on December 04, 2022, 07:26:41 PM
Post by: Kirkll on December 04, 2022, 08:16:16 PM
Post by: Longcruise on December 05, 2022, 11:49:15 AM
Wife and Kids are away over the Weekend.
Took the chance to laminate two carbon layups and let them cure in the cozy bathroom.
Have you tried vacuum to create these? I'm guessing these are for back and face?
Post by: B-JS on December 05, 2022, 02:45:17 PM
Vakuuminfusion may be the way to go, If i would have to make several plates with identical Specs and Resin content.
For testing, handlamination does the Job, If you Press evenly and don't use a ton of Resin.
I have a nice big Glass Plate.
But for Vacuum, i need so much more Equipment, and space.
Those are just for testing of the layup.
Still hoping for a reasonable manufakturer.
I don't want to do this for every bow, i need to build.
Post by: Kirkll on December 07, 2022, 09:32:39 PM
HD Chromaply , bamboo limbs with maple belly lam.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KHmgpk6jNqPYUfBL8
Post by: Buemaker on December 10, 2022, 06:30:57 AM
Post by: Bryan Adolphe on December 10, 2022, 09:06:57 AM
Post by: Bvas on December 14, 2022, 11:56:25 PM
EHD hit our local deer herd pretty hard this year, especially mature bucks.
I decided the first two year old or better was gonna do this year. This guy made the mistake of coming into range this evening. 12yd chip shot and watched him go down.
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Post by: Roy from Pa on December 15, 2022, 05:39:02 AM
Post by: kennym on December 15, 2022, 07:35:54 AM
Post by: goobersan on December 15, 2022, 09:18:04 PM
Post by: Bvas on December 16, 2022, 11:44:06 AM
Post by: Buggs on December 16, 2022, 05:35:27 PM
Post by: Kirkll on December 16, 2022, 07:36:40 PM
I didn't get a lot of shop time logged early in the day. I spent most of the day tearing into the wiring in my house and storage sheds... Something kept popping the breaker.... I ended up disconnecting, and dissecting 3 different power outlets and two outdoor light fixtures before i found the culprit..... But i got er done!
I'll be working swing shift tonight.... Christmas is almost upon us and i have two more projects to complete before then.... My wife laughs about how many gifts i built over the years where the finish was drying on Christmas eve. :biglaugh:
Post by: Buggs on December 17, 2022, 09:43:04 AM
Post by: Bvas on December 18, 2022, 09:58:54 PM
Thats a nice buck! How old do you guess he was? Has a well developed rack.I would guess he is a three year old.
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 27, 2022, 07:02:28 PM
Got my last 12 teeth pulled...
Was great.....
Get the dentures in soon...
Post by: goobersan on December 27, 2022, 07:56:59 PM
Post by: Buggs on December 28, 2022, 10:37:26 AM
Having one pulled is bad enough, 12???? My mouth hurts just thinking about that!
Post by: Buemaker on December 28, 2022, 12:17:38 PM
Post by: Pat B on December 28, 2022, 12:20:26 PM
Post by: kennym on December 28, 2022, 01:21:31 PM
Seriously, I hope you feel better quick!!
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 28, 2022, 01:50:38 PM
They put me under so I didn't know a thing till I woke back up.
Put me on some heavy duty pain pills and penicillin pills.
Not much pain at all, just a little sore.
I already quit the pain pills, they made me so dizzy I could hardly walk and pain pills gets me climbing the walls.
All in all it wasn't bad at all.
Wouldn't have worked smarten off to Chris, Kenny. Last time I ended up wif a black eye cause she is Italian Irish:)
Post by: Kirkll on December 28, 2022, 03:04:30 PM
I feel your pain brutha. That wasn't a good day in the neighborhood for me. But they gave me some GOOD pain killers. I can see how folks could get addicted to those high end opiates. Talk about feeling warm and fuzzy... :biglaugh:
Hopefully you heal up as quickly as i did. Took about a week for me before i could eat solids again.
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 28, 2022, 03:28:15 PM
Post by: Pat B on December 28, 2022, 03:39:58 PM
Roy, I hope your recovery is short and painless. Time to put on your snowshoes and head to the cabin for some R&R.
Post by: Buggs on December 28, 2022, 03:55:21 PM
Send them to me;
Buggs C/O Betty Ford Clinics
Rancho Mirage, CA
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 28, 2022, 04:27:55 PM
Buggys Boy, you just hain't right:)
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on December 30, 2022, 01:55:08 PM
Waiting to get back in the shop and get back to making bows. Got a project in the shop that is done and waiting on its owner to come pick it up and I dare not even turn on anything that might create dust until he picks it up.
Got paid for a big job and so I had some funds.
New 31" sawmill is on the way! Site work is almost done to set the saw mill. That and some Festool sanding and dust collection equipment!
Post by: Buggs on December 31, 2022, 04:17:30 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 31, 2022, 06:42:05 PM
Ya gotta take pictures when ya have it setup.
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 01, 2023, 08:35:19 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 01, 2023, 10:32:39 PM
Post by: 4 point on January 01, 2023, 11:13:26 PM
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Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on January 02, 2023, 08:46:17 AM
How long does a solar kiln take to dry? :)
About a month for red oak as it is one you have to dry slower. Just a couple weeks for white pine and polar. Each species has a recommended drying rate. One thing about a solar kiln, is it supposedly conditions the wood a little better by going through a rest cycle each night.
Virginia Tech has an excellent article in one they designed along with plans. That will be what I am copying. I will add a heater to use at the very end of the cycle to sanitize and kill bugs.
That's the plan anyway.
Post by: Buggs on January 02, 2023, 10:14:37 AM
Took a couple more alfalfa bales in for the deer. It's been a rough winter already and it's just getting started. Probably 75% of the bucks have dropped horns. They saw the tractor coming and came running like cattle. They were on the bales already as I was driving away. I did find my biggest shed, just hoping he can make the winter. There was a alfalfa bale in the first pic, they didn't leave much.
Good on you :thumbsup: I don't know how they survive at all out there where you are. Brutal cold most of the winter and not much cover or browse. Those are some tough critters. Glad your helping a little.
Post by: Mad Max on January 02, 2023, 10:58:13 AM
Need to start a new What did you do today Roy
Post by: mmattockx on January 02, 2023, 10:58:50 AM
Virginia Tech has an excellent article in one they designed along with plans. That will be what I am copying.
Is there a link to this article somewhere?
Mark
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 02, 2023, 11:20:28 AM
Thanks Mark