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Title: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Sologuy on October 22, 2021, 05:24:08 PM


Anyone have experience with this ?

After days n days of frustrating results im kicking the homemade sander out
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 22, 2021, 05:34:11 PM
I have this one and it works great.

https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-12-1-1-2-hp-baby-drum-sander/g0459

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YROaRoXTqk8
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 22, 2021, 05:37:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh64PirorD0
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Mad Max on October 22, 2021, 05:40:18 PM
I have the same as Roy, but I removed the hook and loop and glue my sand paper on the roller.
This one is all you need for bow making
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Sologuy on October 23, 2021, 05:45:53 AM
I have the same as Roy, but I removed the hook and loop and glue my sand paper on the roller.
This one is all you need for bow making

Why removed ? Is there an issue with it ???
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 23, 2021, 06:33:37 AM
The hook and loop paper is a little softer than plain sandpaper glued to the metal drum because it's 2 layers of Velcro paper.

Glass bow guys need their lams ground to a tighter tolerance.

I only make all wood bows so I can get away with using the hook and loop paper, but it still does a good job.
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Flem on October 23, 2021, 12:06:15 PM
I thought you were going to build a better version? Sound like your expectations for that pinche' little one were overly optimistic. You should give it another shot and build a stout machine. It does not need to be expensive, but does require more effort. Here is one I built for under $100.
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It does have a dust hood and the whole funky shebang works well.



Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Shredd on October 23, 2021, 05:21:51 PM
Well that Sucks...  Sorry to hear...  It's a bummer when you put a bit of time and energy into something, have high hopes and it doesn't work out...

  What are the issues with it??  Maybe it can be modified to work better...

I don't have the baby drum sander but I did research on it and most seem to like it... If my sander gives me trouble I will probably get one...

 Flem, you built that big honking thing to sand itsy-bitsy laminations??  Looks like over-kill to me...  :laughing:   Just kidding... I like it...
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Flem on October 23, 2021, 07:09:25 PM
Yeah man, if your going to grind itty bitty silvers of wood, do it with authority  :biglaugh:

I am always amazed that anybody would go to the trouble of building an itty bitty sander thats only good for one purpose. I am a woodworker also.
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Mad Max on October 23, 2021, 07:33:32 PM
Flem do you have a 9/16" wrench? it has one purpose  :tongue:
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Shredd on October 23, 2021, 07:37:07 PM
 :thumbsup:  Hey...  Different Strokes...  If I was to build one it would only have a 10" drum...  Space is a premium here and I don't have much use for a full size sander...

  Mark that's too funny...  I was wanting something small the other day to tap on something...  All my hammers were too heavy...  I went into my wrench drawer and guess what size I picked to use as a hammer...    :laughing:
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Mad Max on October 23, 2021, 07:49:55 PM
9/16"

Every tool is a hammer :o
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Crooked Stic on October 23, 2021, 08:13:32 PM
I have the baby drum with the HLremoved been good for many years and many many feet of lams.
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Flem on October 23, 2021, 08:43:23 PM
I don't forge wrenches
But if I did, it would be an adjustable one :wavey:
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: kennym on October 24, 2021, 07:51:15 AM
An adjustable one makes a better hammer... :saywhat:
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Appalachian Hillbilly on October 24, 2021, 09:14:43 AM
They actually make an adjustable wrench with a hammer on it..
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: kennym on October 24, 2021, 10:15:53 AM
I actually had one of those someone gave me , I didn’t like either tool when put in one... :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Buemaker on October 24, 2021, 11:17:33 AM
Important tool, hammer with bottle opener.
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 24, 2021, 11:21:35 AM
Dang Bue, you could get hammered with that:)

 :wavey:   :laughing:



Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Jeff Freeman on October 25, 2021, 07:42:09 AM
Okay for those of you that have a Grizzly thickness sander which model do you have, and why did you pick it. I see some have sandpaper feed belt some have the rubber. One has hook and loop sandpaper attachment to the drum and some don't have hook and loop. Just been looking and curious. JF
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 25, 2021, 08:06:02 AM
https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-12-1-1-2-hp-baby-drum-sander/g0459

I have that model and it works great and has a rubber feed belt.

It has hook and loop and I'm ok with that because I only make all wood bows so it does a good enough job for me.

Glass bow guys need a closer tolerance than I do so they don't like the hook and loop paper.

A few guys did away with the hook and loop paper on this model and glue regular sanding belts to the metal drum and that works fine.
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Jeff Freeman on October 25, 2021, 08:08:55 AM
I see. I build glass backed longbows. Just wasn't found about gluing the paper run I know they make a glue for the sandpaper. Cuz we used to always glue our DA sanding onto our DA foam pad. 10 years ago they came up with self-adhesive DA sandpaper. A lot of guys went to the hook and loop I was never fond of it cuz it was too spongy and soft for my liking. JF
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Buemaker on October 25, 2021, 08:23:29 AM
Flem, that thickness adjusting thing on your sander, is it a jack used when changing car tires? I like it :clapper:
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Flem on October 25, 2021, 08:44:35 AM
It is a car jack :bigsmyl:  It actually works real smoothly because of the acme threads. Most of the home build sander adjusters I saw were bolts under the table that would screw up and down. I did not like the idea of a single contact point, too much potential deflection from side to side. That and bolt threads are not designed for the purpose, they creep. Acme threads don't.

Jeff, I duct tape the ends of the sandpaper onto my drum, no glue, no velcro. The only time I had a problem was when I forgot to clean off all the dust before wrapping and taping.
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Mad Max on October 25, 2021, 09:16:37 AM
I was never fond of it cuz it was too spongy and soft for my liking. JF

Same reason for me
I have the same machine as roy, the sand paper goes on the same way, just with spray glue.
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Flem on October 25, 2021, 04:20:22 PM
Curious why you don't modify and use your big belt sander as a grinder like these guy's have?
That $1100. plus freight buys a lot of bow making materials.

https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=177226.0
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Jeff Freeman on October 25, 2021, 05:17:05 PM
Oh I already have modified my belt sander started out on a little 6x48 craftsman that I turned on its side. I wore that one out and I bought me the big grizzly one. I got it modified. It works fine just looking at other options. You know curiosity killed that cat. JF

Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Shredd on October 25, 2021, 05:18:17 PM
Curious why you don't modify and use your big belt sander as a grinder like these guy's have?
That $1100. plus freight buys a lot of bow making materials.

https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=177226.0

  Because Guys like Toys...  The more toys the better...   :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Jeff Freeman on October 25, 2021, 05:19:20 PM
Damn it turn your head to the left and look at the picture. I feed from the far side right to the near side left. Using a sled. Everything squared up everything comes out great. Even made up a little dust collector gets about 90%. Face mask and the floor get the rest. JF
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Jeff Freeman on October 25, 2021, 05:20:29 PM
Guys like toys, you bet. Plus I'm semi retired. 38 years of doing all that body and frame repair. Now I'm doing maintenance at orthopedic surgery center clinic. Four buildings. Keeps me busy. Something different everyday. I go in early I get off early. JF
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Flem on October 25, 2021, 05:23:13 PM
$1100. plus freight buys a lot of toys ;)

Jeff, I was referring to the O.P., you are already dialed in :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Jeff Freeman on October 25, 2021, 05:43:23 PM
Ooh my bad. Lol but it's still like more toys especially ones that tear up wood. JF
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: wood carver 2 on October 25, 2021, 06:07:59 PM
This is the one I have.
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I bought this model because I do a lot more than build bows. It will sand panels up to 20” wide in two passes. The sandpaper winds directly onto the cylinder. With the help of a sled, it will sand incredibly thin lams or accent pieces.
It was a heck of a lot cheaper when I bought it.
Dave.
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Jeff Freeman on October 25, 2021, 06:18:03 PM
Dave, that's the one I was thinking about. JF
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Sologuy on October 28, 2021, 06:00:33 AM
I thought you were going to build a better version? Sound like your expectations for that pinche' little one were overly optimistic. You should give it another shot and build a stout machine. It does not need to be expensive, but does require more effort. Here is one I built for under $100.


It does have a dust hood and the whole funky shebang works well.

Mine is stout, as it is much smaller than yours... I cant seem to get good lams from it
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Flem on October 28, 2021, 08:21:59 AM
Lets troubleshoot it. You are using a sled, right? And does it slide smoothly? Do you have enough infeed/outfeed support? Are you able to feed it at a consistent rate past the drum? Do you have dust collection at the drum head, or are you getting dust buildup on the drum or table? Have you checked to make sure your table is not being deflected by the pressure? Are the lams coming out smooth or scalloped? Are they even thickness from side to side?
Are you taking light passes, or trying to hog off material? What grit and type of paper are you using and is it well adhered to the drum? Is your adjustment mechanism solid and have you checked to make sure it does not move during operation?
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Mad Max on October 28, 2021, 03:44:47 PM
I have my Baby Drum sander from Grizzly but I like to use my little sander "The Hog thickness sander" to get more precise lams and veneers.
It finds the highs, lows and the snipe, and grinds them flat.
This is how I feel about my little sander :notworthy:
Flem You don't need a long in feed or out feed table.
(https://i.imgur.com/ljk1ymm.jpg)
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Jeff Freeman on October 28, 2021, 04:00:02 PM
How about a few more detailed pictures Max. Just curious I always like to see somebody else's ingenuity. JF
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Mad Max on October 28, 2021, 04:16:54 PM
https://www.vanda-layindustries.com/html/the_hog_sander.html
Title: Re: Grizzly / Shop Fox benchtop thickness sander
Post by: Flem on October 28, 2021, 05:30:50 PM
Actually, I do need long infeed/outfeed support. And I like it :)