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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: CaseyK on May 07, 2021, 10:39:49 AM
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I was doing some bare shaft testing with 3 shafts. Beman Centershots 400, Easton Legacy 400, and Victory Carbon Trad 450. I'm looking at putting 250 grains of front with a finished arrow length of around 31 inches. I'm shooting with my right hand 58" Toelke Whistler 50lb @ 28 and I'm pulling to 29. The Victory shaft is uncut and comes in at around 31 3/8 inches from nock groove. Right away it's clear that the 450 spine is way too weak to even think about cutting down. With this shaft coming in a bit heavier than I'd like anyway, 10.7 gpi and the 350 being 11.2 gpi, it's out. Plus I don't like the outsert it comes with. It has grooves on the outsert portion that is tearing up my Block target more than I'd like. Why is this area on the outsert not a smooth finish?
Beman Centershot 400, 9.6 gpi, is cut to 30.5 inches from nock groove with 75 grain brass insert and 175 gr field tip. I have a dozen of these that I've been playing with for a while now. Fletched up with 3 - 4" feathers they fly great out of my bow. But when bare shaft testing they are showing a slight weak, nock left, reading. I didn't want to cut them down any farther so I just fletched them up slightly weak thinking that the vanes would stiffen them up. I do like these shafts and as I said they are flying perfectly when fletched and the bare shafts, although slightly weak, are grouping nicely with fletched shafts.The only downside for me with these shafts is the shiny finish that makes them a little tough pulling out of foam. But I'm a man! I can handle it!
Easton Legacy 400, 9.3 gpi, is cut to 31 inches from nock groove. This shaft is slightly larger in diameter than the Centershot and in the pic one can see that the nock is slightly longer than the nock on the Beman. The actual carbon portion of the shaft is 3/8 inch longer than the Beman carbon shaft. I have the same 75 grain brass insert and 175 grain field tip installed on the Legacy as I do in the Centershot. The thing is though, this Legacy is flying perfect!!! No weak reading whatsoever! I love the looks and finish of this new Legacy shaft and with it flying perfectly like it is I will be ordering a dozen of these! I cannot speak to the durability but I love how this bare shaft is flying out of my bow. Finished arrow weight will be around 550 grains, very similar to the Centershot which I find to be the prefect balance of weight and speed that I'm looking for. I'm sticking with 250 grains up front but I think I'll take 25 grains off the insert, making it 50 grains, and shoot 200 grain heads because there are more offerings out there than for 175. And experience tells me that FOC will be somewhere around 21%
As a side note I ran into Dan Toelke at a trad shoot this last weekend and he was saying how, with his experience, this new Legacy shaft shoots very similar to the Centershot. I'm actually finding that they are just a tad stiffer for me, which I think is great!
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I still have some GT Traditionals. I like the weight and looks but the finish can chip, especially at the point insert.
Anyone have the same issue with the Easton?
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I've never shot a wood grain finish carbon arrow but their standard finish holds up. This in my opinion is the selling point for Easton, spine consistency. There is very little change in deflection as you rotate the shaft. This is why I believe the original poster had such an easy time tuning.
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I'm interested to see how the cresting holds up if you have to reflect. I assume it will scrape right off and you'll have to re-crest them. They look great with the white but it kinda sucks if it doesn't last.
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The carbon legacy are nice looking shafts and have been popular for us so far.. We have yet to get them posted on our website.. crazy times here. I spent a bunch of time talking with easton when they were designing the shafts.. this is a big reason why they are as long as they are and also available in 700 spine.
I would put a toothpick behind your side plate to confirm that the "weak" readings are really that. You should be at or around 53lbs and a longer 400 can work, but unlikely weak with only 250 up front. It could be though.
I have yet to fletch my legacy shafts. Don't have enough time to shoot like i want anyway.
good luck, BigJim