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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Etter on May 04, 2021, 04:21:01 PM
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Does anybody use one? Ivd done Joel’s course, listened to his podcast on internal triggers on the push and have monkeyed around with it for a while. I cant seem to find one that I can run inside my mouth. Does anybody use one and if so, could you explain it as simply as possible? Thanks.
Still using a handy clicker from life cycle gear and love it but would rather go hands free if possible.
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Internal whaty what???? :o
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Since I don't do podcasts I'll have to live on in ignorance. :dunno:
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The Psycho-trigger is more like assuring the correct and uniform “load” is obtained for the desired distance to target. Even though changing crawls distances will change the effective length of arrow drawn from button to nock the actual length of draw from anchor point to button will be the same regardless of crawl.
I read this off a post on another site. I have no clue what it means so I'm gonna have to say no.
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There are some psycotriggers over on facissybook upset at the "Original Gang" merchandise. :smileystooges:
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I took Joel’s course some time ago, before he had thought of internal triggers, so I didn’t know what you were talking about. However, once you sign up for one of his courses, you continue to have access to it as long as it exists, so I dug up my password for the course and lo and behold I could still get in, and I viewed the new section on internal triggers.
The purpose of a bow trigger is the same purpose as squeezing a rifle trigger: you don’t want to know exactly when the shot will go off, or you will anticipate the shot and flinch or do something else involuntarily to screw up the shot. This is true whether there is a bang and a recoil, like a rifle, or just a release of tension, like a bow shot.
Joel has been trying all kinds of triggers over the years to find one that won’t disturb the shot just by using it. For example, I tried his grip sear, where you slide your thumbnail off some surface on your riser, and I was always annoyed by having to move my thumb while I was at full draw, and I guess he wasn’t totally happy with it either.
Anyway, he found that by squishing air around in his mouth, he could cause a sound that he couldn’t anticipate that he could use for a trigger, with less disturbance to the shot than a grip sear or other things he has tried over the years. Basically, it’s just building up air pressure inside your mouth until some of the air escapes through your teeth and makes a sound. How you do it is up to you. I tried it and it works. Whether I’ll ever use it or not to trigger the bow is doubtful, but you never know.
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I figured out a way that works with my mouth and it’s by far the easiest to activate and hardest to anticipate trigger Ive ever used. I use a kissing sound just building up pressure and spreading my lips. Its remarkably accurate because there is zero input into the shot.
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So it's an "organic" clicker rather than a mechanical one? :dunno:
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I've been shooting bows & arrows since I could walk.
It's called "instinctive" for a reason.... Your brain tells your body what to do.
Get out and shoot. The more you shoot, the better you get. It takes time, and practice!!
Stop "thinking" and start shooting!! :archer2:
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I've been shooting bows & arrows since I could walk.
It's called "instinctive" for a reason.... Your brain tells your body what to do.
Get out and shoot. The more you shoot, the better you get. It takes time, and practice!!
Stop "thinking" and start shooting!! :archer2:
Amen I second that!
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I third what woodchucker said. While many will argue, much of this is all about switching from compound to traditional in as short a time, and with as little effort, as possible. I guess it will work for target shooting, but there seems to be too many things to think about during the moment of truth situations while hunting.
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If I want complicated...I'll try to figure out all the whistles and bells on my phone.
When I want simple I pick up my stick bow and go shoot.
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Out at the range, worried if he could still shoot after his left eye stroke, shooting right handed with a 45-70 Henry Gold, open sight, he put three shot in a 2'' group just low and left of center, using a single leg gun support, good enough. Then about a 6" group with a pistol at 30 yards. When asked by another how he could do that so fast. He said, "First you need shoes big enough so you can cross your big toes over the next toe. Then if your finger is not far enough on the trigger it will push it left If it is too far on, you will pull it to the right. Other than that it is no different than shooting a longbow. Oh, remember to unlock your toes before walking to the target, that looks funny." I was taught to feel the power and sense the dwell time of my full draw to anchor point shot, I pull through the anchor, I do not hold on it, about 1.5 seconds from start to release. At 68 years old I can still shoot pretty tight groups out to 20 yards, it must work. Oh yes, the left eye is improving and he can shoot bows left handed again.
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Jesus. It’s no wonder so many people get turned off to the sport the way you old blue hairs act. Why even respond to the thread? You dont have target panic but piles of us do. Fred freaking Bear had it BAD. If he had known how to rid himself of it through proven neuroscience he would have. And I guess he wouldnt have been “traditional” enough for this crowd.
Me, personally, Im happy to not fit in with this crowd.
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First off Happy Mothers Day to any who may be reading! And for us men treat them well, you only have one.
Now I read this threat for a week or so to see if any useful assistance would be given (thanks McDave, and others who have), but it appears no one but Etter has an TP issue (truth be told there more who won’t admit it).
Now I have it and it’s a devilish curse, and I hope no one here falls victim to it.
If an “internal psychological tigger” would help, bring it on :pray:
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Etter, stay with it, if it makes you a better shot, you are better off for it. :thumbsup:
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I’m fighting TP as well. It’s ugly and those who don’t have it don’t understand :dunno: :dunno:
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I fought it for awhile. When I was starting I went to a shooting clinic promoting swing draw and was told to swing the bow up and no matter where you were in the draw , just shoot when you lined up on target. That didn’t work at all for ME. Maybe for others but not me.
I spent a lot of time drawing to anchor and not shooting but letting down . Now I can draw and hold it without shooting if I need to .
If something works for you, don’t worry what anybody says .
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I fought TP for some time. The popular theories and methods of treating it got me close, but not all the way to a solution.
My variety of target panic was a compulsion to shoot before I was ready to shoot. I could draw and hold for longer than I needed to if I was not planning to shoot. If I was planning to shoot, I was compelled to release the arrow prematurely. So it was the thought of shooting the arrow that was triggering my target panic.
The thought of shooting the arrow was a conscious distraction, and had nothing to do with my subconscious mind. Examples of distractions could be imagining what is going to happen after you shoot, someone standing next to you, a deer's antlers, a fly buzzing around your head, or the idea that you are getting ready to shoot the bow. How do we eliminate conscious distractions? We eliminate conscious distractions by concentration! So my job was to increase my ability to concentrate until my attention was totally focused on the shot in the here and now, and not on the “idea” that I was preparing to shoot the bow in the future.
This realization, that my problem had nothing to do with my subconscious, went a long way to helping me solve the problem even before I tried anything concrete to improve my ability to concentrate. Trying to solve the problem by taking control away from my subconscious mind was like using a hammer when what I really needed was a screwdriver. I just needed a different tool.
I'm not saying that some other person's TP might not be caused by the subconscious mind taking charge of his shot; just that it wasn't my problem. Just keep an open mind for trying different things, and you'll eventually come across something that works for you.
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Complete dedication to joel’s program and always using a trigger has solved it for me. I havent shot an uncontrolled arrow in 18 months or so.
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My ex girlfriend had several internal psychotriggers that I tried my level best not to actuate! :biglaugh:
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My ex girlfriend had several internal psychotriggers that I tried my level best not to actuate! :biglaugh:
If she's anything like my wife, not only did she have internal psychotriggers, but I'll bet they were non-anticipatory too!
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My ex girlfriend had several internal psychotriggers that I tried my level best not to actuate! :biglaugh:
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First off Happy Mothers Day to any who may be reading! And for us men treat them well, you only have one.
Now I read this threat for a week or so to see if any useful assistance would be given (thanks McDave, and others who have), but it appears no one but Etter has an TP issue (truth be told there more who won’t admit it).
Now I have it and it’s a devilish curse, and I hope no one here falls victim to it.
If an “internal psychological tigger” would help, bring it on :pray:
Exactly!!
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My ex girlfriend had several internal psychotriggers that I tried my level best not to actuate! :biglaugh:
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Lol!
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I have not tried the internal trigger yet. I can certainly see how easy it would be to use.
Having had severe tP for over 5 years the ONLY thing that worked for me was Ironmind/Shot IQ using a clicker as a psycho trigger.
But....it wasn’t until I spent sometime with my friend and coach earlier this year did I realize (he pointed out) that I was using the click as the destination and not the trigger. I.e. I would get to full draw than jerk like heck to make the click. After a few hours of coaching I now have a whole new outlook on the psycho trigger and controlling the shot.
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Congrats Etter on your success with Joel's program! I was fortunate to be able to take the course from him in person in 2013 when he first started teaching the class. Best money I ever spent on archery by far! Joel is a great teacher/coach and his understanding of the mental side of archery is remarkable. 8 years later I'm shooting better than ever and enjoying the sport more than ever. I haven't tried the internal psychotrigger yet but will be experimenting to see if I can find something that works for me. I think the term psychotrigger scares some people. It does kinda sound like the title track to a Megadeth album. Whether you call it psychotrigger, shot trigger or mechanoreceptive trigger as Joel now calls it, the concept is quite simple and has been around since the beginning of archery. Saxton Pope shot a psychotrigger. When I took the class I was using feather to nose, then I briefly tried a tab sear and then the handy clicker, but I ended up using the basic limb mounted clicker. My problem with the other triggers was I would lose back tension. I shoot best when my concentration is on increasing back tension but the advantages to the internal trigger make it worth a try for sure.