Post by: kennym on April 13, 2021, 09:00:09 AM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on April 13, 2021, 09:02:30 AM
:thumbsup:
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Post by: Mad Max on April 13, 2021, 09:52:02 AM
Kenny is on the other side now ha ha
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Post by: kennym on April 13, 2021, 10:32:23 AM
1/16 positive but haven’t pulled it yet
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Post by: Mad Max on April 13, 2021, 10:56:53 AM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on April 13, 2021, 12:02:45 PM
:wavey:
Post by: mmattockx on April 13, 2021, 12:44:25 PM
And what's wrong with 3 under?
:wavey:
+1. Those are nearly fighting words. :o
Mark
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 13, 2021, 12:45:44 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on April 13, 2021, 01:00:33 PM
Post by: Shredd on April 13, 2021, 02:55:28 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 13, 2021, 03:07:58 PM
I tiller for equal limb timing which balances the limbs to the point they are being drawn by the tree rope and later the actual shooters fingers.
The bows shoot quiet as a mouse.
Ask Crooked-stic how his bow shoots.
When a guy orders a bow from a bowyer, if he shoot's 3 under, the bowyer will tiller it for that by tillering the bow to a 1/8th negative tiller or even tiller. And with split finger shooters the bowyer will tiller it for about 1/4 positive tiller.
Post by: Shredd on April 13, 2021, 03:17:38 PM
I tried negative and positive tiller... Three under is always noisier than split finger... I shoot three under... It's way more accurate for me... Now it's hard to shoot split finger, if I try...
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 13, 2021, 03:38:37 PM
But to each their own is how I look at things.
The video below is a bow being tillered for split finger, notice the tree pull rope tracking straight down the black line on the wall?
That means the limbs are bending in sync.
Which means both limbs get back to brace after the shot at the same time which equals a smooth quiet shooting bow.
A bow not tillered for equal limb balance will be noisy because you have to keep adjusting the nocking point up or down to get the damn arrows to fly right.
Put one of your bows on the tree and draw a line straight down from the nocking point on the wall then work the bow on the tree. I'll bet money the tree rope drifts off one way or the other.
https://youtu.be/cf7CnshkW7I
Post by: Birdbow76 on April 13, 2021, 04:23:34 PM
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Post by: kennym on April 13, 2021, 09:56:49 PM
Haven’t had it to full draw yet , be a couple days before I get to mess with it again
Bob , been thinking about this and almost nixed it but had to try one more... lol
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Post by: kennym on April 15, 2021, 08:25:34 PM
BTW, when I strung it it was 1/16" (positive or negative) tiller...
Post by: kennym on April 16, 2021, 10:49:03 AM
Post by: Longcruise on April 16, 2021, 11:28:44 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 16, 2021, 12:45:10 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 16, 2021, 01:09:09 PM
Is the limb tip built up in someway on top for added strength?
Post by: David Flanrey on April 16, 2021, 04:00:08 PM
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Post by: kennym on April 16, 2021, 07:23:39 PM
It's all fun and games til she blows up... :biglaugh:
Post by: Shredd on April 16, 2021, 08:26:33 PM
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Post by: kennym on April 17, 2021, 01:04:27 PM
Work in progress ...
Post by: kennym on April 17, 2021, 01:08:32 PM
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Post by: kennym on April 17, 2021, 01:54:47 PM
Stack .260
Taper -.001
Tip wedge-yes and power lam (superlam)
Hopin for 45 and its 57 right now but seems to pull kinda easy (new bow syndrome most likely)
Still returning to grooves when you let down and limbs look good for straight
1/16” pos now
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WTH
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Post by: kennym on April 17, 2021, 01:58:31 PM
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Post by: Shredd on April 17, 2021, 07:55:29 PM
Post by: Longcruise on April 17, 2021, 08:18:29 PM
Holy Curvaitious... You trying to complete with them extreme hook guys??
Yep, he's slipped across the Border. :)
Post by: kennym on April 17, 2021, 08:57:03 PM
If it aint 10 fps faster than my D/Rs , gonna burn the form ... :laughing:
Post by: Mad Max on April 17, 2021, 09:08:35 PM
Someone on FaceB asked where to get T/D R/D plans, I looked on your website and told them Binghams.
But you do have a R/D T/D bow, So your missing sales :banghead: ;)
Post by: kennym on April 17, 2021, 09:14:52 PM
https://www.kennysarchery.com/longbow-form
Not gonna touch recurve blank bows, too easy to get limb twist . It can happen to guys who build the entire bow , so anybody just starting will be better off with a D/R longbow. That's my story and I'm stickin to it.
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 17, 2021, 09:34:01 PM
Instead of burning that form send it here.
Post by: Mad Max on April 17, 2021, 10:27:34 PM
Post by: kennym on April 18, 2021, 11:30:30 AM
Not sure about more taper, but that might help too.
If I can pull it , it will prob end up my fishin bow. Prob end up 50+ .
A bit of camo paint and good to go...
Post by: Shredd on April 18, 2021, 12:32:09 PM
I would map your limb as now at 28" with a tiller stick... Put a piece of tape about 6" in from your fade as a reference point and mark that point on your map to make sure the limb is in the exact same position when you map it again... Then map your limb at 28" and 2" shorter limb... Map your string also to see what it is doing... Post your map... I would be interested to see what happens...
I believe that extra 2" out there right now is absolutely doing nothing but adding weight and slowing things down...
Post by: kennym on April 18, 2021, 12:49:01 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 18, 2021, 01:42:01 PM
Just sayen ole timer.
Post by: Shredd on April 18, 2021, 01:44:00 PM
Forget about the standard rule of gaining 5lb. for every inch you take off... Look at your geometry at 28" draw... That string is almost touching the limbs still... If you take off two inches it looks like you are only gonna be moving that string in a 1/4" from where it is now at 28"... Plus them hooks could possibly open up which could put you back to where you started with string angle... Plus you'll be thinning up those tip areas as you move in more...
Or I could be totally wrong... Just started messing with recurves a year or two ago... But I got a good knack for seeing things and how they work...
Post by: 4 point on April 18, 2021, 01:51:35 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on April 18, 2021, 06:54:25 PM
Post by: kennym on April 18, 2021, 07:43:35 PM
Rody, you leave my tips alone! :biglaugh:
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 18, 2021, 07:59:52 PM
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Post by: kennym on April 19, 2021, 06:55:38 PM
No kits yet, I'm not really happy with it just yet... :)
Post by: Stagmitis on April 19, 2021, 06:58:48 PM
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Post by: kennym on April 25, 2021, 01:33:37 PM
MY D/R will beat that !
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 25, 2021, 01:42:55 PM
Post by: kennym on April 25, 2021, 01:50:51 PM
Post by: kennym on April 25, 2021, 01:54:19 PM
I had plywood taped to sight window til the arrow wouldn't stay on shelf and was close...
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 25, 2021, 02:02:07 PM
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Post by: kennym on April 25, 2021, 05:34:10 PM
16” riser with a p lam so reckon it would actually be 24”
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 25, 2021, 05:57:49 PM
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Post by: kennym on April 25, 2021, 06:42:45 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 25, 2021, 07:25:31 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 25, 2021, 07:32:06 PM
To a point ya just got to play with it to find out.
Post by: kennym on April 25, 2021, 07:56:48 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on April 25, 2021, 10:40:49 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 26, 2021, 07:49:49 AM
Let it rest Kenny then you get the itch again soon.
Post by: Longcruise on April 26, 2021, 08:20:59 AM
Bout done wif it... :biglaugh:
Just sign it "Hopeless". Build another and call it "Faithless". Terry can auction them off for St Judes.
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 26, 2021, 08:33:49 AM
Look our boots can hold a P lam..... :laughing:
Post by: Shredd on April 26, 2021, 10:30:41 AM
Joking aside... Sorry Kenny, I feel your pain... I been there many, many times... So if anybody has a right to laugh... I do... :)
Post by: kennym on April 26, 2021, 01:45:29 PM
See my post above-- Longbows rule - recurves drool! :biglaugh:
Post by: Shredd on April 26, 2021, 02:33:43 PM
Post by: Mad Max on April 26, 2021, 03:34:02 PM
Shreddy, I think a willow branch would beat out this bow... :laughing:
See my post above-- Longbows rule - recurves drool! :biglaugh:
If I would have gave up after a couple bows I would not be here to say this to you :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :bigsmyl:
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 26, 2021, 04:26:04 PM
Too much dead weight out there not doing a darn thing...
Longbows Rock.......
Anyone can make a recurve...
But r/d longbows take skill and brains....
:wavey: :laughing:
Post by: kennym on April 26, 2021, 04:37:09 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on April 26, 2021, 09:09:21 PM
:laughing:
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Post by: Roy from Pa on April 27, 2021, 04:37:55 AM
The bow I received from Kenny in this years swap shoots like that, very accurate..
I attribute it mostly to the center shot and grip design. Kenny made the grip like he likes it, " after we talked about it ", and it just so happened to fit me perfect with my high wrist style of shooting.
Not to mention that Kenny's r/d longbows shoot pretty quick...
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 27, 2021, 08:04:00 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 27, 2021, 08:17:40 AM
Post by: Shredd on April 27, 2021, 11:33:11 AM
Any tips are welcome...
Post by: Longcruise on April 27, 2021, 12:33:31 PM
Yes sir... I am trying to fine tune right now... I think it is my release that I have to work on... With six arrows at 20 yds., on average I have been grouping 3 arrows in 2 inch groups then about 2 arrows 2 to3" from that group and then the last arrow about four inches out from the tight group... I know it's my release... That's a toughy for me... I know that is plenty good for hunting... They are all in the kill zone... But I am trying to win the 3D competition at the local club next month...
Any tips are welcome...
Be sure that the follow through is not breaking down. FWIW, that’s pretty good shooting as it is. :thumbsup:
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 27, 2021, 12:53:32 PM
You could be pulling your head up at the same time you release.
Kenny, don't even say it.
LOL
Post by: Stagmitis on April 27, 2021, 02:44:30 PM
Post by: kennym on April 27, 2021, 04:06:10 PM
Try shooting a couple and doing something else for a minute , then a couple more .
You won’t have to shoot 6 at a 3D target unless ya shoot like Roy .... :bigsmyl:
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 27, 2021, 08:00:40 PM
Just sayen....
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Post by: Roy from Pa on April 28, 2021, 07:24:38 AM
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Post by: Shredd on April 28, 2021, 08:22:16 AM
Thanks for all the tips guys... I cut the tips off of my glove... I think that is helping some... I have a static release... I may try going to more of a follow through release... Yeah Kenny... I find that concentration is the key... You can't just throw arrows at the target and expect them to hit the bulls eye... (which I do sometime) But when I really concentrate my groups really tighten up...
What are your guys feelings on a window that is cut past center for accuracy???
Kenny sorry for hijacking your thread...
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 28, 2021, 08:28:18 AM
The ideal situation is when the string is aligned dead center with the center of the limbs and looking down the arrow shaft, the string is aligned with the center of the arrow shaft from nock to point.
Post by: Shredd on April 28, 2021, 08:44:52 AM
Post by: OldRawhide42 on April 28, 2021, 09:11:26 AM
Pass center bows brake . MAYBE
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 29, 2021, 07:43:14 AM
Pass center bows are more accurate. MAYBE depends on the operator.
Pass center bows brake . MAYBE I beam them and da don't brake (break) :biglaugh:
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 29, 2021, 08:20:57 AM
Post by: OldRawhide42 on April 29, 2021, 11:15:36 AM
Post by: mmattockx on April 29, 2021, 11:19:30 AM
I really don't think a longbow or a curve groups one better than the other.
I think this is correct. On another site there is a member who did piles of chronograph testing using a mechanical rig for consistency in the draw and release. He said he quickly learned to only shoot one arrow at a time and retrieve it from the target or the next would just Robin Hood the first one every time. This was for a pile of different bow designs and he never found one style to be more accurate than the others.
I think it is my release that I have to work on...
If you want accuracy I would suggest looking at what the Olympic recurve shooters do. They are the kings of consistency with a finger release. Of course, shooting 100,000 arrows a year with high quality coaching will improve anyone's performance...
What are your guys feelings on a window that is cut past center for accuracy???
The less the arrow has to paradox the more consistent it is going to be along with being less sensitive to arrow spine. I suspect closer to center shot is also more forgiving of a bad release but I don't know that for sure.
Mark
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 02, 2021, 07:40:03 AM
So a guy may not have the perfect arrow with the other bows and there fore not as accurate with it